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Blackburn Rovers star Rochina makes Spain loan switch

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BLACKBURN Rovers forward Ruben Rochina is joining Rayo Vallecano on loan.

Rochina returns to Spain to join the Madrid club on loan for the rest of the season, with a view to a permanent transfer.

The 22-year-old started Rovers' first match of the season at Derby but dislocated his shoulder in the game and has struggled for regular football since his return.

Rovers boss: "Obviously we are seeing it as an opportunity for him to go out to Spain and get games.

"His injury on the opening day of the season set him back with us.

"So we've agreed it will be good to get him playing some games and we'll pick it back up in the summer.

"Playing in his native Spain appeals to Ruben, so we'll monitor his progress."

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1:00pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Angry From Accrington says...

Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 31

1:13pm Mon 20 Jan 14

forever blue and white says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
100% agree. Especially Williamson. Desperately short up front as well now as DJ has moved to Millwall. Hope GB has someone in mind on loan as either an attacking midfield player or a forward.
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.[/p][/quote]100% agree. Especially Williamson. Desperately short up front as well now as DJ has moved to Millwall. Hope GB has someone in mind on loan as either an attacking midfield player or a forward. forever blue and white
  • Score: 12

1:31pm Mon 20 Jan 14

chicken.pluckers says...

Expect nothing less from Venky FC, this is a player of undoubted quality who wants to get as far away from Deadwood as possible to salvage his career.

A shameful way to treat one of your best players. You are much weaker without him in your squad, and this could well be the end of your slim-to-none hopes for the play-off's. Shocking decision,

Expect more to follow him out of the door.
Expect nothing less from Venky FC, this is a player of undoubted quality who wants to get as far away from Deadwood as possible to salvage his career. A shameful way to treat one of your best players. You are much weaker without him in your squad, and this could well be the end of your slim-to-none hopes for the play-off's. Shocking decision, Expect more to follow him out of the door. chicken.pluckers
  • Score: -6

1:41pm Mon 20 Jan 14

RobH2O says...

Partisan views apart, the would seem a very poor move. With good management this guy would have delivered in spades at Championship level. I go to Ewood park twice a season (how can I stand it?) and a mate of mine swops and comes down the Turf twice two - he has always rated him and the bit part I saw he had a superb first touch.

Final question, playing Williamson - why does GB do it?
Partisan views apart, the would seem a very poor move. With good management this guy would have delivered in spades at Championship level. I go to Ewood park twice a season (how can I stand it?) and a mate of mine swops and comes down the Turf twice two - he has always rated him and the bit part I saw he had a superb first touch. Final question, playing Williamson - why does GB do it? RobH2O
  • Score: 16

1:58pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Harwoodstblue says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
Totally agree, a far better player if handled right. Rochina is a young player and Bowyer should be sorting out the faults in his game. That's a managers job.
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, a far better player if handled right. Rochina is a young player and Bowyer should be sorting out the faults in his game. That's a managers job. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 11

1:59pm Mon 20 Jan 14

LittleRonnieHildersley says...

Not too bothered - yes he has lots of skill and bags of potential but I think whilst battling in the Championship he's a bit of luxury player and not what we need. I agree with the comments about Lowe and Williamson, ie when picked together. Prefer Cairney in the middle and Evans when he's fit. He's brought Gestede in to provide the link with Rhodes and can bring Dunn, Marshall in to fill the No. 10 if required (and unlike Rochina they can actually track back, tackle and not fall over their own feet). Problem with saturday was that Rhodes wasn't fit - so more of a concern is the fact that we might be a bit light up front - it looks like DJ is off to Milwall, assume Best is never getting a game which leaves us with Gestede, Rhodes and by the looks of it Goodwillie!
Not too bothered - yes he has lots of skill and bags of potential but I think whilst battling in the Championship he's a bit of luxury player and not what we need. I agree with the comments about Lowe and Williamson, ie when picked together. Prefer Cairney in the middle and Evans when he's fit. He's brought Gestede in to provide the link with Rhodes and can bring Dunn, Marshall in to fill the No. 10 if required (and unlike Rochina they can actually track back, tackle and not fall over their own feet). Problem with saturday was that Rhodes wasn't fit - so more of a concern is the fact that we might be a bit light up front - it looks like DJ is off to Milwall, assume Best is never getting a game which leaves us with Gestede, Rhodes and by the looks of it Goodwillie! LittleRonnieHildersley
  • Score: 8

2:00pm Mon 20 Jan 14

baz58 says...

RobH2O wrote:
Partisan views apart, the would seem a very poor move. With good management this guy would have delivered in spades at Championship level. I go to Ewood park twice a season (how can I stand it?) and a mate of mine swops and comes down the Turf twice two - he has always rated him and the bit part I saw he had a superb first touch.

Final question, playing Williamson - why does GB do it?
Totally agree! apart from the ( how do I stand it? ) lol.
[quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: Partisan views apart, the would seem a very poor move. With good management this guy would have delivered in spades at Championship level. I go to Ewood park twice a season (how can I stand it?) and a mate of mine swops and comes down the Turf twice two - he has always rated him and the bit part I saw he had a superb first touch. Final question, playing Williamson - why does GB do it?[/p][/quote]Totally agree! apart from the ( how do I stand it? ) lol. baz58
  • Score: 4

2:14pm Mon 20 Jan 14

dangerous dave says...

chicken.pluckers wrote:
Expect nothing less from Venky FC, this is a player of undoubted quality who wants to get as far away from Deadwood as possible to salvage his career.

A shameful way to treat one of your best players. You are much weaker without him in your squad, and this could well be the end of your slim-to-none hopes for the play-off's. Shocking decision,

Expect more to follow him out of the door.
Totally agree and as for GB he cant see the wood from the tree's which is proved by continuing to play the likes of williamson and lowe but never mind we still have bog dickie willie!!
OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS
[quote][p][bold]chicken.pluckers[/bold] wrote: Expect nothing less from Venky FC, this is a player of undoubted quality who wants to get as far away from Deadwood as possible to salvage his career. A shameful way to treat one of your best players. You are much weaker without him in your squad, and this could well be the end of your slim-to-none hopes for the play-off's. Shocking decision, Expect more to follow him out of the door.[/p][/quote]Totally agree and as for GB he cant see the wood from the tree's which is proved by continuing to play the likes of williamson and lowe but never mind we still have bog dickie willie!! OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS dangerous dave
  • Score: -2

2:35pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Crow27 says...

Gutted to see Ruben go but maybe GB feels that Mahoney may be a similar player to Ruben and will play with a bit more passion as he is a Rovers fan. Rhodes, Gestede and Goodwillie will be fine. I would take Goodwillie over Best and Campbell every day of the week! Glad to see Campbell is with the Milwall training camp, not a GB player and doesn't ever look committed and interested. Best & Ethu and the Portuguese lot out next please GB!
Gutted to see Ruben go but maybe GB feels that Mahoney may be a similar player to Ruben and will play with a bit more passion as he is a Rovers fan. Rhodes, Gestede and Goodwillie will be fine. I would take Goodwillie over Best and Campbell every day of the week! Glad to see Campbell is with the Milwall training camp, not a GB player and doesn't ever look committed and interested. Best & Ethu and the Portuguese lot out next please GB! Crow27
  • Score: 11

2:42pm Mon 20 Jan 14

PersianRover says...

Rochina is too good to let go. A perfect sub at the minimum.

Lowe scores 1 goal per 100 games - when he scores he is amazing, 95% is an average championship midfielder.

King is decent - He has no killer touch, not the best passer, yet when he loses the ball he gets 10% the abuse/stick that Rochina gets. Commentators and pundits are at fault too.

Williamson - Just as bad, he has a decent game in him, but nothing more

Marshall - He is only just starting to player better, a good player not amazing, but a good player for the manager giving him so many game time.

If Nunes and Rochina got as much game time as the above, they would be better than all the players above, and could be as good Cairney (who is a very good player). Imagine if this was the case, to have 3 players like Cariney in a team, we would definitely be top 4, I think Nunes and Rochina could be moulted into that.

Finally, Rochina was by far our best player against Derby on the opening day, yes, even better than Cairney, when he went off the game changed.

Last words I promise, Rochina played a key role when we beat Arsenal and Man UTD in our last year in the prem, a season where he was third top scorer when he played about 15% of the time!
Rochina is too good to let go. A perfect sub at the minimum. Lowe scores 1 goal per 100 games - when he scores he is amazing, 95% is an average championship midfielder. King is decent - He has no killer touch, not the best passer, yet when he loses the ball he gets 10% the abuse/stick that Rochina gets. Commentators and pundits are at fault too. Williamson - Just as bad, he has a decent game in him, but nothing more Marshall - He is only just starting to player better, a good player not amazing, but a good player for the manager giving him so many game time. If Nunes and Rochina got as much game time as the above, they would be better than all the players above, and could be as good Cairney (who is a very good player). Imagine if this was the case, to have 3 players like Cariney in a team, we would definitely be top 4, I think Nunes and Rochina could be moulted into that. Finally, Rochina was by far our best player against Derby on the opening day, yes, even better than Cairney, when he went off the game changed. Last words I promise, Rochina played a key role when we beat Arsenal and Man UTD in our last year in the prem, a season where he was third top scorer when he played about 15% of the time! PersianRover
  • Score: 13

3:07pm Mon 20 Jan 14

gleechy says...

PersianRover wrote:
Rochina is too good to let go. A perfect sub at the minimum.

Lowe scores 1 goal per 100 games - when he scores he is amazing, 95% is an average championship midfielder.

King is decent - He has no killer touch, not the best passer, yet when he loses the ball he gets 10% the abuse/stick that Rochina gets. Commentators and pundits are at fault too.

Williamson - Just as bad, he has a decent game in him, but nothing more

Marshall - He is only just starting to player better, a good player not amazing, but a good player for the manager giving him so many game time.

If Nunes and Rochina got as much game time as the above, they would be better than all the players above, and could be as good Cairney (who is a very good player). Imagine if this was the case, to have 3 players like Cariney in a team, we would definitely be top 4, I think Nunes and Rochina could be moulted into that.

Finally, Rochina was by far our best player against Derby on the opening day, yes, even better than Cairney, when he went off the game changed.

Last words I promise, Rochina played a key role when we beat Arsenal and Man UTD in our last year in the prem, a season where he was third top scorer when he played about 15% of the time!
Yes but, 32% of your argument was about midfielders and only 15% about attackers, what have you got against the attack? If only you'd used the last 53% on the defence or maybe 50 on defence and 3 on the goalie, it would of all made much more sense, capish?
[quote][p][bold]PersianRover[/bold] wrote: Rochina is too good to let go. A perfect sub at the minimum. Lowe scores 1 goal per 100 games - when he scores he is amazing, 95% is an average championship midfielder. King is decent - He has no killer touch, not the best passer, yet when he loses the ball he gets 10% the abuse/stick that Rochina gets. Commentators and pundits are at fault too. Williamson - Just as bad, he has a decent game in him, but nothing more Marshall - He is only just starting to player better, a good player not amazing, but a good player for the manager giving him so many game time. If Nunes and Rochina got as much game time as the above, they would be better than all the players above, and could be as good Cairney (who is a very good player). Imagine if this was the case, to have 3 players like Cariney in a team, we would definitely be top 4, I think Nunes and Rochina could be moulted into that. Finally, Rochina was by far our best player against Derby on the opening day, yes, even better than Cairney, when he went off the game changed. Last words I promise, Rochina played a key role when we beat Arsenal and Man UTD in our last year in the prem, a season where he was third top scorer when he played about 15% of the time![/p][/quote]Yes but, 32% of your argument was about midfielders and only 15% about attackers, what have you got against the attack? If only you'd used the last 53% on the defence or maybe 50 on defence and 3 on the goalie, it would of all made much more sense, capish? gleechy
  • Score: 0

3:08pm Mon 20 Jan 14

A Darener says...

If he was good enough to be in the team for the opening game I fail to see why he was not immediately reinstated to the team on recovery from his injury? He has never been given a chance to show GB consistently what he is capable of in live play.
If he was good enough to be in the team for the opening game I fail to see why he was not immediately reinstated to the team on recovery from his injury? He has never been given a chance to show GB consistently what he is capable of in live play. A Darener
  • Score: 13

3:46pm Mon 20 Jan 14

jack01 says...

Its absolutely incredible reading some of the comments on here. People complaining about us letting Rochina go.

He's been with the club for three years now. At no stage in that time has he put a consistent run of appearances together for the first team. Four full time managers have been in place and none of them have seen fit to give him a starting berth or helped him 'realise his potential'. Do people really think that if he was that much of a talent that a Championship side like Rovers would be loaning him out to a mediocre Spanish side?

I will go out on a limb and guess that he is on big money at Rovers, having been signed in January 2011 as Kean's first signing. If we need to reduce the wage bill then we are better getting rid of non-contributors like Rochina than those actually performing on a regular basis for the club. People spend half their time moaning about the financial state of the club and then complain when we're shifting out big earners.

With a bit of luck we'll get into February with a much more streamlined squad of hungry young players as more of the Kean-era dross are phased out of the club. Hopefully if Campbell goes soon then Bowyer will be able to bring in a third striker, because Goodwillie is another that needs to be on his way.
Its absolutely incredible reading some of the comments on here. People complaining about us letting Rochina go. He's been with the club for three years now. At no stage in that time has he put a consistent run of appearances together for the first team. Four full time managers have been in place and none of them have seen fit to give him a starting berth or helped him 'realise his potential'. Do people really think that if he was that much of a talent that a Championship side like Rovers would be loaning him out to a mediocre Spanish side? I will go out on a limb and guess that he is on big money at Rovers, having been signed in January 2011 as Kean's first signing. If we need to reduce the wage bill then we are better getting rid of non-contributors like Rochina than those actually performing on a regular basis for the club. People spend half their time moaning about the financial state of the club and then complain when we're shifting out big earners. With a bit of luck we'll get into February with a much more streamlined squad of hungry young players as more of the Kean-era dross are phased out of the club. Hopefully if Campbell goes soon then Bowyer will be able to bring in a third striker, because Goodwillie is another that needs to be on his way. jack01
  • Score: 0

3:53pm Mon 20 Jan 14

40rtid says...

Good luck rochina, don't blame him he probably wants to play attacking football . The reason they have allowed him to go is team GB. Wants to play this negative football week in week out so no place for rochina . This passing between the back four nonsense back passes from midfield oh and the boring sideways pass by Lowe nothing else in Lowes locker .Now with Dj gone we won't even see the attacking football he gave us at Leeds seems to me the manager doesn't want premiership football.
Good luck rochina, don't blame him he probably wants to play attacking football . The reason they have allowed him to go is team GB. Wants to play this negative football week in week out so no place for rochina . This passing between the back four nonsense back passes from midfield oh and the boring sideways pass by Lowe nothing else in Lowes locker .Now with Dj gone we won't even see the attacking football he gave us at Leeds seems to me the manager doesn't want premiership football. 40rtid
  • Score: 5

4:01pm Mon 20 Jan 14

A Darener says...

Orr, Rochina, Campbell, that should save us some money!
Orr, Rochina, Campbell, that should save us some money! A Darener
  • Score: 6

4:07pm Mon 20 Jan 14

chicken.pluckers says...

A Darener wrote:
Orr, Rochina, Campbell, that should save us some money!
When Rhodes and Dann go you'll save even more. But I doubt you'll be reinvesting any of it though given your immense debts.

At least you've planned ahead and snapped up the talented duo of Gestede and Faulks.

God bless you Agent B.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Orr, Rochina, Campbell, that should save us some money![/p][/quote]When Rhodes and Dann go you'll save even more. But I doubt you'll be reinvesting any of it though given your immense debts. At least you've planned ahead and snapped up the talented duo of Gestede and Faulks. God bless you Agent B. chicken.pluckers
  • Score: -5

4:11pm Mon 20 Jan 14

owd nick says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis.

There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors.

At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.[/p][/quote]Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis. There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors. At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst. owd nick
  • Score: -5

4:12pm Mon 20 Jan 14

ChrisDeBerg says...

dangerous dave wrote:
chicken.pluckers wrote:
Expect nothing less from Venky FC, this is a player of undoubted quality who wants to get as far away from Deadwood as possible to salvage his career.

A shameful way to treat one of your best players. You are much weaker without him in your squad, and this could well be the end of your slim-to-none hopes for the play-off's. Shocking decision,

Expect more to follow him out of the door.
Totally agree and as for GB he cant see the wood from the tree's which is proved by continuing to play the likes of williamson and lowe but never mind we still have bog dickie willie!!
OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS
Shouldn't that be "can't see the wood 'for' the trees"?
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chicken.pluckers[/bold] wrote: Expect nothing less from Venky FC, this is a player of undoubted quality who wants to get as far away from Deadwood as possible to salvage his career. A shameful way to treat one of your best players. You are much weaker without him in your squad, and this could well be the end of your slim-to-none hopes for the play-off's. Shocking decision, Expect more to follow him out of the door.[/p][/quote]Totally agree and as for GB he cant see the wood from the tree's which is proved by continuing to play the likes of williamson and lowe but never mind we still have bog dickie willie!! OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS[/p][/quote]Shouldn't that be "can't see the wood 'for' the trees"? ChrisDeBerg
  • Score: 1

4:16pm Mon 20 Jan 14

A Darener says...

chicken.pluckers wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Orr, Rochina, Campbell, that should save us some money!
When Rhodes and Dann go you'll save even more. But I doubt you'll be reinvesting any of it though given your immense debts.

At least you've planned ahead and snapped up the talented duo of Gestede and Faulks.

God bless you Agent B.
Bowyer, who introduced Rhodes in the 58th minute, said: “Jordan hadn’t trained all week so we had to be sensible. We didn’t want to play him and lose him for four or five games so a decision was made with the knowledge that we’ve got 21 more games to play.”
21 more games to play so that would be JR gone in the summer.
[quote][p][bold]chicken.pluckers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Orr, Rochina, Campbell, that should save us some money![/p][/quote]When Rhodes and Dann go you'll save even more. But I doubt you'll be reinvesting any of it though given your immense debts. At least you've planned ahead and snapped up the talented duo of Gestede and Faulks. God bless you Agent B.[/p][/quote]Bowyer, who introduced Rhodes in the 58th minute, said: “Jordan hadn’t trained all week so we had to be sensible. We didn’t want to play him and lose him for four or five games so a decision was made with the knowledge that we’ve got 21 more games to play.” 21 more games to play so that would be JR gone in the summer. A Darener
  • Score: -1

4:30pm Mon 20 Jan 14

senorjackson says...

Having been at the game on saturday, GB failed to realise that 3 of forest's back 4 were out injured, playing only one up front at all times... Letting rochina go is frankly bonkers... when he came back for the Birmingham game, he played well and has never appeared since. As many people who watch rovers on a regular basis can see that the centre mid are is a major weakness, letting Rochina go is baffling. All in all, whilst GB is a great bloke, I do have some concerns with with his managerial tactics and desire to win games with the team we have. Like wise, I am bemused by the numbers of players brought in early doors by GB, who are now on loan elsewhere (Judge, Marrow songoetc).
Lowe was a good right back in his early days and I feel he could continue to operate well in that area. He does not have the vision and quality to play centre mid and like wise with Williamson.....
We live in hope but it's not lookingh good....
Having been at the game on saturday, GB failed to realise that 3 of forest's back 4 were out injured, playing only one up front at all times... Letting rochina go is frankly bonkers... when he came back for the Birmingham game, he played well and has never appeared since. As many people who watch rovers on a regular basis can see that the centre mid are is a major weakness, letting Rochina go is baffling. All in all, whilst GB is a great bloke, I do have some concerns with with his managerial tactics and desire to win games with the team we have. Like wise, I am bemused by the numbers of players brought in early doors by GB, who are now on loan elsewhere (Judge, Marrow songoetc). Lowe was a good right back in his early days and I feel he could continue to operate well in that area. He does not have the vision and quality to play centre mid and like wise with Williamson..... We live in hope but it's not lookingh good.... senorjackson
  • Score: 11

4:52pm Mon 20 Jan 14

speedie_rovers_legend says...

Bowyer it is time for you to leave the club , we are going nowhere with your inane comments about being unlucky in games and getting no where fast with your stupid team selections, and lack of vision in changing games and tatics as they progress, now you let your star player leave, please go with him.
Bowyer it is time for you to leave the club , we are going nowhere with your inane comments about being unlucky in games and getting no where fast with your stupid team selections, and lack of vision in changing games and tatics as they progress, now you let your star player leave, please go with him. speedie_rovers_legend
  • Score: 10

4:58pm Mon 20 Jan 14

speedie_rovers_legend says...

A Darener wrote:
chicken.pluckers wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Orr, Rochina, Campbell, that should save us some money!
When Rhodes and Dann go you'll save even more. But I doubt you'll be reinvesting any of it though given your immense debts.

At least you've planned ahead and snapped up the talented duo of Gestede and Faulks.

God bless you Agent B.
Bowyer, who introduced Rhodes in the 58th minute, said: “Jordan hadn’t trained all week so we had to be sensible. We didn’t want to play him and lose him for four or five games so a decision was made with the knowledge that we’ve got 21 more games to play.”
21 more games to play so that would be JR gone in the summer.
Maybe they want rid keep him fit till the end of jan, personally he as scored goals but does little else , but no one will be stupid enough to overpay as we did not worth 8 mill or even 5.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chicken.pluckers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Orr, Rochina, Campbell, that should save us some money![/p][/quote]When Rhodes and Dann go you'll save even more. But I doubt you'll be reinvesting any of it though given your immense debts. At least you've planned ahead and snapped up the talented duo of Gestede and Faulks. God bless you Agent B.[/p][/quote]Bowyer, who introduced Rhodes in the 58th minute, said: “Jordan hadn’t trained all week so we had to be sensible. We didn’t want to play him and lose him for four or five games so a decision was made with the knowledge that we’ve got 21 more games to play.” 21 more games to play so that would be JR gone in the summer.[/p][/quote]Maybe they want rid keep him fit till the end of jan, personally he as scored goals but does little else , but no one will be stupid enough to overpay as we did not worth 8 mill or even 5. speedie_rovers_legend
  • Score: -1

5:15pm Mon 20 Jan 14

DanBlackburn says...

Agree with many of the above. He is one of my favourite players despite his often frustrating lack of team awareness. He is skill and quality and can change a game.
For GB however he is not a solid, stable, mediocre young British player that he has filled the squad with (Rudy aside).
Truly truly disappointing, when, being a season ticket holder at our joke of a club, I didn't think I still could be.
Where is our creativity? I was at Forest as well on Saturday and I am afraid like many games this season, GB's selection and substitutions are just poor. Why take off Rudy and put Rhodes on when we are 2 1 down. Its almost Keanesque. Defending a defeat.
Agree with many of the above. He is one of my favourite players despite his often frustrating lack of team awareness. He is skill and quality and can change a game. For GB however he is not a solid, stable, mediocre young British player that he has filled the squad with (Rudy aside). Truly truly disappointing, when, being a season ticket holder at our joke of a club, I didn't think I still could be. Where is our creativity? I was at Forest as well on Saturday and I am afraid like many games this season, GB's selection and substitutions are just poor. Why take off Rudy and put Rhodes on when we are 2 1 down. Its almost Keanesque. Defending a defeat. DanBlackburn
  • Score: 10

5:32pm Mon 20 Jan 14

A Darener says...

"Defending a defeat"....love it!
"Defending a defeat"....love it! A Darener
  • Score: 2

5:46pm Mon 20 Jan 14

baldie says...

owd nick wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis.

There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors.

At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.
Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights.
I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.[/p][/quote]Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis. There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors. At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.[/p][/quote]Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights. I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more. baldie
  • Score: 2

6:00pm Mon 20 Jan 14

40rtid says...

DanBlackburn wrote:
Agree with many of the above. He is one of my favourite players despite his often frustrating lack of team awareness. He is skill and quality and can change a game.
For GB however he is not a solid, stable, mediocre young British player that he has filled the squad with (Rudy aside).
Truly truly disappointing, when, being a season ticket holder at our joke of a club, I didn't think I still could be.
Where is our creativity? I was at Forest as well on Saturday and I am afraid like many games this season, GB's selection and substitutions are just poor. Why take off Rudy and put Rhodes on when we are 2 1 down. Its almost Keanesque. Defending a defeat.
Great comment couldn't agree more with . Lets give Lowe a little rest put Cairney in center midfield Marshell and king down the flanks and Rhodes and gustede up front and let us take the game to other teams .When the game is won then lets play the sitting back football GB loves.
[quote][p][bold]DanBlackburn[/bold] wrote: Agree with many of the above. He is one of my favourite players despite his often frustrating lack of team awareness. He is skill and quality and can change a game. For GB however he is not a solid, stable, mediocre young British player that he has filled the squad with (Rudy aside). Truly truly disappointing, when, being a season ticket holder at our joke of a club, I didn't think I still could be. Where is our creativity? I was at Forest as well on Saturday and I am afraid like many games this season, GB's selection and substitutions are just poor. Why take off Rudy and put Rhodes on when we are 2 1 down. Its almost Keanesque. Defending a defeat.[/p][/quote]Great comment couldn't agree more with . Lets give Lowe a little rest put Cairney in center midfield Marshell and king down the flanks and Rhodes and gustede up front and let us take the game to other teams .When the game is won then lets play the sitting back football GB loves. 40rtid
  • Score: 8

6:44pm Mon 20 Jan 14

owd nick says...

baldie wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis.

There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors.

At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.
Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights.
I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.
Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.
[quote][p][bold]baldie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.[/p][/quote]Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis. There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors. At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.[/p][/quote]Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights. I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.[/p][/quote]Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand. owd nick
  • Score: 1

7:29pm Mon 20 Jan 14

CheltRover says...

A Darener wrote:
Orr, Rochina, Campbell, that should save us some money!
It depends who's paying their wages. We might still be paying a %
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Orr, Rochina, Campbell, that should save us some money![/p][/quote]It depends who's paying their wages. We might still be paying a % CheltRover
  • Score: 1

7:36pm Mon 20 Jan 14

CheltRover says...

speedie_rovers_legen
d
wrote:
Bowyer it is time for you to leave the club , we are going nowhere with your inane comments about being unlucky in games and getting no where fast with your stupid team selections, and lack of vision in changing games and tatics as they progress, now you let your star player leave, please go with him.
Bowyer is a novice manager and learning his trade. He will make mistakes. Trouble is, he's making mistakes at our expense and we won't get into the play-offs as a result. He might turn into a decent manager, then again he might not. But in the meantime we are suffering.

Agree about his inane comments too. He's making himself look foolish. Better to keep quiet if there's nowt useful to say
[quote][p][bold]speedie_rovers_legen d[/bold] wrote: Bowyer it is time for you to leave the club , we are going nowhere with your inane comments about being unlucky in games and getting no where fast with your stupid team selections, and lack of vision in changing games and tatics as they progress, now you let your star player leave, please go with him.[/p][/quote]Bowyer is a novice manager and learning his trade. He will make mistakes. Trouble is, he's making mistakes at our expense and we won't get into the play-offs as a result. He might turn into a decent manager, then again he might not. But in the meantime we are suffering. Agree about his inane comments too. He's making himself look foolish. Better to keep quiet if there's nowt useful to say CheltRover
  • Score: 4

7:44pm Mon 20 Jan 14

juanbbien says...

40rtid wrote:
DanBlackburn wrote:
Agree with many of the above. He is one of my favourite players despite his often frustrating lack of team awareness. He is skill and quality and can change a game.
For GB however he is not a solid, stable, mediocre young British player that he has filled the squad with (Rudy aside).
Truly truly disappointing, when, being a season ticket holder at our joke of a club, I didn't think I still could be.
Where is our creativity? I was at Forest as well on Saturday and I am afraid like many games this season, GB's selection and substitutions are just poor. Why take off Rudy and put Rhodes on when we are 2 1 down. Its almost Keanesque. Defending a defeat.
Great comment couldn't agree more with . Lets give Lowe a little rest put Cairney in center midfield Marshell and king down the flanks and Rhodes and gustede up front and let us take the game to other teams .When the game is won then lets play the sitting back football GB loves.
I agree I was under the impression that Marshall and King were going to be used as Wingers to supply Rhodes and whoever with the ammunition,like Wilcox and Ripley used to supply Shearer an Sutton,but obviously not we are left with one up front doing beggar all
[quote][p][bold]40rtid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanBlackburn[/bold] wrote: Agree with many of the above. He is one of my favourite players despite his often frustrating lack of team awareness. He is skill and quality and can change a game. For GB however he is not a solid, stable, mediocre young British player that he has filled the squad with (Rudy aside). Truly truly disappointing, when, being a season ticket holder at our joke of a club, I didn't think I still could be. Where is our creativity? I was at Forest as well on Saturday and I am afraid like many games this season, GB's selection and substitutions are just poor. Why take off Rudy and put Rhodes on when we are 2 1 down. Its almost Keanesque. Defending a defeat.[/p][/quote]Great comment couldn't agree more with . Lets give Lowe a little rest put Cairney in center midfield Marshell and king down the flanks and Rhodes and gustede up front and let us take the game to other teams .When the game is won then lets play the sitting back football GB loves.[/p][/quote]I agree I was under the impression that Marshall and King were going to be used as Wingers to supply Rhodes and whoever with the ammunition,like Wilcox and Ripley used to supply Shearer an Sutton,but obviously not we are left with one up front doing beggar all juanbbien
  • Score: 2

7:59pm Mon 20 Jan 14

colrov says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
In that case he should be in ahead of Dann, or Hanley, or Robinson. Completely different roles! Same people asking for two up front, slating the decision to let Rochina go. Can't have it all ways! In GB we trust
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.[/p][/quote]In that case he should be in ahead of Dann, or Hanley, or Robinson. Completely different roles! Same people asking for two up front, slating the decision to let Rochina go. Can't have it all ways! In GB we trust colrov
  • Score: 1

8:44pm Mon 20 Jan 14

forever blue and white says...

owd nick wrote:
baldie wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis.

There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors.

At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.
Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights.
I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.
Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.
Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baldie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.[/p][/quote]Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis. There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors. At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.[/p][/quote]Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights. I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.[/p][/quote]Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.[/p][/quote]Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch. forever blue and white
  • Score: 5

9:11pm Mon 20 Jan 14

PersianRover says...

Sounds mad - I would love for Shabby to pick the team for 5 games, and see where we end up. I'd rather go for a win that as well said above, defend a defeat, which we have been doing for many years. Why not just go for it for 5 games and see what happens like we did with the attacking selection that beat Arsenal and Man UTD with 3 attack-minded players who can pass the ball (Formica, Rochina and Hoilett) in one team, suddenly you dont need run run like a lunetic (Lowe) because you are building pressure on the other team, the full backs are pushing up and you dont always need to run backwards and sideways.

If we did not have Cairney we would be bottom half.
Sounds mad - I would love for Shabby to pick the team for 5 games, and see where we end up. I'd rather go for a win that as well said above, defend a defeat, which we have been doing for many years. Why not just go for it for 5 games and see what happens like we did with the attacking selection that beat Arsenal and Man UTD with 3 attack-minded players who can pass the ball (Formica, Rochina and Hoilett) in one team, suddenly you dont need run run like a lunetic (Lowe) because you are building pressure on the other team, the full backs are pushing up and you dont always need to run backwards and sideways. If we did not have Cairney we would be bottom half. PersianRover
  • Score: -1

10:19pm Mon 20 Jan 14

greenscreener says...

speedie_rovers_legen
d
wrote:
Bowyer it is time for you to leave the club , we are going nowhere with your inane comments about being unlucky in games and getting no where fast with your stupid team selections, and lack of vision in changing games and tatics as they progress, now you let your star player leave, please go with him.
Star player ?

And you say GB makes ' inane comments', FFS, it's obvious you don't watch Rovers.
[quote][p][bold]speedie_rovers_legen d[/bold] wrote: Bowyer it is time for you to leave the club , we are going nowhere with your inane comments about being unlucky in games and getting no where fast with your stupid team selections, and lack of vision in changing games and tatics as they progress, now you let your star player leave, please go with him.[/p][/quote]Star player ? And you say GB makes ' inane comments', FFS, it's obvious you don't watch Rovers. greenscreener
  • Score: 1

10:22pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Wild Rover says...

To all the Rochina is the Messi-ah posters a question...
He can change a game with his moments of magic can he?
Please name one occassion he has actually done this?
No? Thought not..thats a myth, he has never done it and never will
The boy is a show pony, end of.
To all the Rochina is the Messi-ah posters a question... He can change a game with his moments of magic can he? Please name one occassion he has actually done this? No? Thought not..thats a myth, he has never done it and never will The boy is a show pony, end of. Wild Rover
  • Score: -3

10:27pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Wild Rover says...

PersianRover wrote:
Sounds mad - I would love for Shabby to pick the team for 5 games, and see where we end up. I'd rather go for a win that as well said above, defend a defeat, which we have been doing for many years. Why not just go for it for 5 games and see what happens like we did with the attacking selection that beat Arsenal and Man UTD with 3 attack-minded players who can pass the ball (Formica, Rochina and Hoilett) in one team, suddenly you dont need run run like a lunetic (Lowe) because you are building pressure on the other team, the full backs are pushing up and you dont always need to run backwards and sideways.

If we did not have Cairney we would be bottom half.
You been on the hash pipe? Shabby ffs?
Grow up!
[quote][p][bold]PersianRover[/bold] wrote: Sounds mad - I would love for Shabby to pick the team for 5 games, and see where we end up. I'd rather go for a win that as well said above, defend a defeat, which we have been doing for many years. Why not just go for it for 5 games and see what happens like we did with the attacking selection that beat Arsenal and Man UTD with 3 attack-minded players who can pass the ball (Formica, Rochina and Hoilett) in one team, suddenly you dont need run run like a lunetic (Lowe) because you are building pressure on the other team, the full backs are pushing up and you dont always need to run backwards and sideways. If we did not have Cairney we would be bottom half.[/p][/quote]You been on the hash pipe? Shabby ffs? Grow up! Wild Rover
  • Score: 2

10:46pm Mon 20 Jan 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

Disgusted with the fact that GB has not give this lad a chance as he gives good striking options, but there again GB's striker tactics are woeful. We are now light again in strike power with just two regular forwards and Goodwillie, as Best is allowed to sit there and pick up his massive wage packet. If GB concentrated on the forward line as much as he does on midfield and defence we might get somewhere. His reliance on Rhodes alone has cost this club big time. Also he is shipping out a lot of the players he brought in or brought back to the club which does not say a lot about his original choices or the way he is or is not playing them. I here he is back in India now therefore we wll have to see what transpires from that meeting. The only good thing about this lot is that he is reducing the wage bill of which we all know he has to do. But there are still a lot of people who do not seem to be moving and costing us a lot of money for nothing. We know GB has a rediculously hard job on his hands but I wish he would step up to the mark with his striking options and tactics soon before it becomes too late.
Disgusted with the fact that GB has not give this lad a chance as he gives good striking options, but there again GB's striker tactics are woeful. We are now light again in strike power with just two regular forwards and Goodwillie, as Best is allowed to sit there and pick up his massive wage packet. If GB concentrated on the forward line as much as he does on midfield and defence we might get somewhere. His reliance on Rhodes alone has cost this club big time. Also he is shipping out a lot of the players he brought in or brought back to the club which does not say a lot about his original choices or the way he is or is not playing them. I here he is back in India now therefore we wll have to see what transpires from that meeting. The only good thing about this lot is that he is reducing the wage bill of which we all know he has to do. But there are still a lot of people who do not seem to be moving and costing us a lot of money for nothing. We know GB has a rediculously hard job on his hands but I wish he would step up to the mark with his striking options and tactics soon before it becomes too late. A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: 4

10:48pm Mon 20 Jan 14

baldie says...

forever blue and white wrote:
owd nick wrote:
baldie wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis.

There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors.

At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.
Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights.
I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.
Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.
Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch.
Funny one this,i think we all agree that there is a question over midfield selection,i just don't think that Rochina is the answer.
Massive 3 games in 8 days coming up,we need to go for wins.
[quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baldie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.[/p][/quote]Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis. There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors. At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.[/p][/quote]Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights. I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.[/p][/quote]Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.[/p][/quote]Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch.[/p][/quote]Funny one this,i think we all agree that there is a question over midfield selection,i just don't think that Rochina is the answer. Massive 3 games in 8 days coming up,we need to go for wins. baldie
  • Score: 0

11:34pm Mon 20 Jan 14

flowersorseaman? says...

forever blue and white wrote:
owd nick wrote:
baldie wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis.

There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors.

At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.
Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights.
I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.
Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.
Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch.
You got a thumbs up from me there Forever. I do think Williamson's getting some harsh treatment though. I agree that playing him with Lowe is not a good option but I don't suppose that's either of their faults. Maybe its an option when playing with a #10 or 2 attacking wingers, supplying a front 2 but as we've been doing neither of those I don't get it. We've got a heavily left sided CM playing right wing and a workhorse winger playing centre mid, topped off with a big lad up top that neither of the flanks can supply. Exactly why you'd think that a lad like Rochina who can run at the back four might be the only option to fit in with the otherwise defensive, we might score from a dead ball formation. Gutted!
[quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baldie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.[/p][/quote]Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis. There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors. At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.[/p][/quote]Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights. I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.[/p][/quote]Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.[/p][/quote]Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch.[/p][/quote]You got a thumbs up from me there Forever. I do think Williamson's getting some harsh treatment though. I agree that playing him with Lowe is not a good option but I don't suppose that's either of their faults. Maybe its an option when playing with a #10 or 2 attacking wingers, supplying a front 2 but as we've been doing neither of those I don't get it. We've got a heavily left sided CM playing right wing and a workhorse winger playing centre mid, topped off with a big lad up top that neither of the flanks can supply. Exactly why you'd think that a lad like Rochina who can run at the back four might be the only option to fit in with the otherwise defensive, we might score from a dead ball formation. Gutted! flowersorseaman?
  • Score: 2

8:42am Tue 21 Jan 14

greenscreener says...

flowersorseaman? wrote:
forever blue and white wrote:
owd nick wrote:
baldie wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis.

There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors.

At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.
Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights.
I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.
Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.
Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch.
You got a thumbs up from me there Forever. I do think Williamson's getting some harsh treatment though. I agree that playing him with Lowe is not a good option but I don't suppose that's either of their faults. Maybe its an option when playing with a #10 or 2 attacking wingers, supplying a front 2 but as we've been doing neither of those I don't get it. We've got a heavily left sided CM playing right wing and a workhorse winger playing centre mid, topped off with a big lad up top that neither of the flanks can supply. Exactly why you'd think that a lad like Rochina who can run at the back four might be the only option to fit in with the otherwise defensive, we might score from a dead ball formation. Gutted!
Happy to wade into this one, (yes I do go to the games), and I've yet to see anything from Williamson that impressed me, his rugby tackle was a nice cameo but all he will ever be remembered for.
Rochina i would have liked to keep, he can come off the bench and lift the crowd and the team because he brings a different dimension to our game. He is certainly not a star, but he is still young, he could yet mature if he gets regular football somewhere else for a while.
[quote][p][bold]flowersorseaman?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baldie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.[/p][/quote]Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis. There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors. At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.[/p][/quote]Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights. I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.[/p][/quote]Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.[/p][/quote]Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch.[/p][/quote]You got a thumbs up from me there Forever. I do think Williamson's getting some harsh treatment though. I agree that playing him with Lowe is not a good option but I don't suppose that's either of their faults. Maybe its an option when playing with a #10 or 2 attacking wingers, supplying a front 2 but as we've been doing neither of those I don't get it. We've got a heavily left sided CM playing right wing and a workhorse winger playing centre mid, topped off with a big lad up top that neither of the flanks can supply. Exactly why you'd think that a lad like Rochina who can run at the back four might be the only option to fit in with the otherwise defensive, we might score from a dead ball formation. Gutted![/p][/quote]Happy to wade into this one, (yes I do go to the games), and I've yet to see anything from Williamson that impressed me, his rugby tackle was a nice cameo but all he will ever be remembered for. Rochina i would have liked to keep, he can come off the bench and lift the crowd and the team because he brings a different dimension to our game. He is certainly not a star, but he is still young, he could yet mature if he gets regular football somewhere else for a while. greenscreener
  • Score: 1

9:19am Tue 21 Jan 14

forever blue and white says...

greenscreener wrote:
flowersorseaman? wrote:
forever blue and white wrote:
owd nick wrote:
baldie wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis.

There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors.

At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.
Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights.
I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.
Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.
Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch.
You got a thumbs up from me there Forever. I do think Williamson's getting some harsh treatment though. I agree that playing him with Lowe is not a good option but I don't suppose that's either of their faults. Maybe its an option when playing with a #10 or 2 attacking wingers, supplying a front 2 but as we've been doing neither of those I don't get it. We've got a heavily left sided CM playing right wing and a workhorse winger playing centre mid, topped off with a big lad up top that neither of the flanks can supply. Exactly why you'd think that a lad like Rochina who can run at the back four might be the only option to fit in with the otherwise defensive, we might score from a dead ball formation. Gutted!
Happy to wade into this one, (yes I do go to the games), and I've yet to see anything from Williamson that impressed me, his rugby tackle was a nice cameo but all he will ever be remembered for.
Rochina i would have liked to keep, he can come off the bench and lift the crowd and the team because he brings a different dimension to our game. He is certainly not a star, but he is still young, he could yet mature if he gets regular football somewhere else for a while.
Good debate without abusing each other and all Rovers fans. Makes a change on here in recent months. A pleasant change even though Baldie and Owd Nick are obviously wrong. Ha ha.
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flowersorseaman?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baldie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.[/p][/quote]Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis. There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors. At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.[/p][/quote]Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights. I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.[/p][/quote]Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.[/p][/quote]Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch.[/p][/quote]You got a thumbs up from me there Forever. I do think Williamson's getting some harsh treatment though. I agree that playing him with Lowe is not a good option but I don't suppose that's either of their faults. Maybe its an option when playing with a #10 or 2 attacking wingers, supplying a front 2 but as we've been doing neither of those I don't get it. We've got a heavily left sided CM playing right wing and a workhorse winger playing centre mid, topped off with a big lad up top that neither of the flanks can supply. Exactly why you'd think that a lad like Rochina who can run at the back four might be the only option to fit in with the otherwise defensive, we might score from a dead ball formation. Gutted![/p][/quote]Happy to wade into this one, (yes I do go to the games), and I've yet to see anything from Williamson that impressed me, his rugby tackle was a nice cameo but all he will ever be remembered for. Rochina i would have liked to keep, he can come off the bench and lift the crowd and the team because he brings a different dimension to our game. He is certainly not a star, but he is still young, he could yet mature if he gets regular football somewhere else for a while.[/p][/quote]Good debate without abusing each other and all Rovers fans. Makes a change on here in recent months. A pleasant change even though Baldie and Owd Nick are obviously wrong. Ha ha. forever blue and white
  • Score: 1

11:34am Tue 21 Jan 14

greenscreener says...

forever blue and white wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
flowersorseaman? wrote:
forever blue and white wrote:
owd nick wrote:
baldie wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis.

There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors.

At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.
Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights.
I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.
Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.
Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch.
You got a thumbs up from me there Forever. I do think Williamson's getting some harsh treatment though. I agree that playing him with Lowe is not a good option but I don't suppose that's either of their faults. Maybe its an option when playing with a #10 or 2 attacking wingers, supplying a front 2 but as we've been doing neither of those I don't get it. We've got a heavily left sided CM playing right wing and a workhorse winger playing centre mid, topped off with a big lad up top that neither of the flanks can supply. Exactly why you'd think that a lad like Rochina who can run at the back four might be the only option to fit in with the otherwise defensive, we might score from a dead ball formation. Gutted!
Happy to wade into this one, (yes I do go to the games), and I've yet to see anything from Williamson that impressed me, his rugby tackle was a nice cameo but all he will ever be remembered for.
Rochina i would have liked to keep, he can come off the bench and lift the crowd and the team because he brings a different dimension to our game. He is certainly not a star, but he is still young, he could yet mature if he gets regular football somewhere else for a while.
Good debate without abusing each other and all Rovers fans. Makes a change on here in recent months. A pleasant change even though Baldie and Owd Nick are obviously wrong. Ha ha.
Aye, it does happen on here now and then, sadly it quickly becomes pointless, juvenile and offensive when it descends into 'sack em all' and 'our crowds bigger then your crowd'.
[quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flowersorseaman?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baldie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.[/p][/quote]Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis. There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors. At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.[/p][/quote]Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights. I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.[/p][/quote]Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.[/p][/quote]Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch.[/p][/quote]You got a thumbs up from me there Forever. I do think Williamson's getting some harsh treatment though. I agree that playing him with Lowe is not a good option but I don't suppose that's either of their faults. Maybe its an option when playing with a #10 or 2 attacking wingers, supplying a front 2 but as we've been doing neither of those I don't get it. We've got a heavily left sided CM playing right wing and a workhorse winger playing centre mid, topped off with a big lad up top that neither of the flanks can supply. Exactly why you'd think that a lad like Rochina who can run at the back four might be the only option to fit in with the otherwise defensive, we might score from a dead ball formation. Gutted![/p][/quote]Happy to wade into this one, (yes I do go to the games), and I've yet to see anything from Williamson that impressed me, his rugby tackle was a nice cameo but all he will ever be remembered for. Rochina i would have liked to keep, he can come off the bench and lift the crowd and the team because he brings a different dimension to our game. He is certainly not a star, but he is still young, he could yet mature if he gets regular football somewhere else for a while.[/p][/quote]Good debate without abusing each other and all Rovers fans. Makes a change on here in recent months. A pleasant change even though Baldie and Owd Nick are obviously wrong. Ha ha.[/p][/quote]Aye, it does happen on here now and then, sadly it quickly becomes pointless, juvenile and offensive when it descends into 'sack em all' and 'our crowds bigger then your crowd'. greenscreener
  • Score: 1

11:51am Tue 21 Jan 14

Harwoodstblue says...

greenscreener wrote:
flowersorseaman? wrote:
forever blue and white wrote:
owd nick wrote:
baldie wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.
Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis.

There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors.

At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.
Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights.
I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.
Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.
Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch.
You got a thumbs up from me there Forever. I do think Williamson's getting some harsh treatment though. I agree that playing him with Lowe is not a good option but I don't suppose that's either of their faults. Maybe its an option when playing with a #10 or 2 attacking wingers, supplying a front 2 but as we've been doing neither of those I don't get it. We've got a heavily left sided CM playing right wing and a workhorse winger playing centre mid, topped off with a big lad up top that neither of the flanks can supply. Exactly why you'd think that a lad like Rochina who can run at the back four might be the only option to fit in with the otherwise defensive, we might score from a dead ball formation. Gutted!
Happy to wade into this one, (yes I do go to the games), and I've yet to see anything from Williamson that impressed me, his rugby tackle was a nice cameo but all he will ever be remembered for.
Rochina i would have liked to keep, he can come off the bench and lift the crowd and the team because he brings a different dimension to our game. He is certainly not a star, but he is still young, he could yet mature if he gets regular football somewhere else for a while.
It's ridiculous that Bowyer can't seem to get the best out of him. Great potential and only 22, so we let him go. I really can't see Rochina wanting to come back and we may have seen the last of him. I think finances might have come into the Rochina decision but to me that's false economy.
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flowersorseaman?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baldie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous! He should be getting regular football here instead of Limp Lowe or Woeful Williamson.[/p][/quote]Don't agree, I am sorry to see him go, anyone who enjoys watching skilful players would be, but it isn't just GB who hasn't picked him on anything like a regular basis. There is something not quite right with him, he isn't a team player for starters and that's what we need at the moment, sadly the flashes of brilliance he shows are far outnumbered by the costly errors. At his best one of the best players in the Championship, at his worst, one of the worst.[/p][/quote]Agree totally Nick,Rochina has never really done it.He's another Hoilett for me,looks good on the highlights. I know Angry goes regularly,and he's entitled to his opinion,but a lot of the pro-Rochina comments above,are from people who don't actually go on any more.[/p][/quote]Appreciated baldie, I know Angry goes because he makes comments that only people who have gone to the game would understand.[/p][/quote]Sorry Baldie and Owd Nick but I go every week and I am afraid I agree with Angry on this one. Rochina can create a chance out of nothing. Williamson couldn't create a chance if he was on his own on the pitch.[/p][/quote]You got a thumbs up from me there Forever. I do think Williamson's getting some harsh treatment though. I agree that playing him with Lowe is not a good option but I don't suppose that's either of their faults. Maybe its an option when playing with a #10 or 2 attacking wingers, supplying a front 2 but as we've been doing neither of those I don't get it. We've got a heavily left sided CM playing right wing and a workhorse winger playing centre mid, topped off with a big lad up top that neither of the flanks can supply. Exactly why you'd think that a lad like Rochina who can run at the back four might be the only option to fit in with the otherwise defensive, we might score from a dead ball formation. Gutted![/p][/quote]Happy to wade into this one, (yes I do go to the games), and I've yet to see anything from Williamson that impressed me, his rugby tackle was a nice cameo but all he will ever be remembered for. Rochina i would have liked to keep, he can come off the bench and lift the crowd and the team because he brings a different dimension to our game. He is certainly not a star, but he is still young, he could yet mature if he gets regular football somewhere else for a while.[/p][/quote]It's ridiculous that Bowyer can't seem to get the best out of him. Great potential and only 22, so we let him go. I really can't see Rochina wanting to come back and we may have seen the last of him. I think finances might have come into the Rochina decision but to me that's false economy. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 2

3:12pm Tue 21 Jan 14

MxMave says...

Really poor decision to let Ruben go again.
Clearly Bowyer doesn't want him in the squad full-stop so it'd be nice if he actually said that instead of pretending otherwise.

No matter how you look at it Ruben was the most skilled player in the squad. Since his return from injury Bowyer has given him about 10 mins pitch time. How is a player supposed to improve with 10 mins pitch time?
Marshall started off desperately unfit (and still is quite unfit imo), Bowyer has persevered and persevered with him to get his fitness up to scratch. Why is that not worth doing with Ruben?
It seems to me all the bad parts of Ruben's game are the ones which can be improved with experience and training, but obviously Bowyer doesn't see eye to eye with him (possibly due to the rabona v Yeovil).
Really poor decision to let Ruben go again. Clearly Bowyer doesn't want him in the squad full-stop so it'd be nice if he actually said that instead of pretending otherwise. No matter how you look at it Ruben was the most skilled player in the squad. Since his return from injury Bowyer has given him about 10 mins pitch time. How is a player supposed to improve with 10 mins pitch time? Marshall started off desperately unfit (and still is quite unfit imo), Bowyer has persevered and persevered with him to get his fitness up to scratch. Why is that not worth doing with Ruben? It seems to me all the bad parts of Ruben's game are the ones which can be improved with experience and training, but obviously Bowyer doesn't see eye to eye with him (possibly due to the rabona v Yeovil). MxMave
  • Score: 0

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