Nzonzi left out of Rovers' Austrian training camp (From Lancashire Telegraph)

who can blame him,nobody like the clown kean and kean has to go end off.

10million yer avin a laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!,

hes worth 3-4mill tops and thats only because he's young and still has room for improvement

for once, I agree with the move. But what about t'hoillett? he hasnt signed either!

£10m? Should snap any offer up anywhere near that. I can't say he looked 'up for it' or interested for long periods last year. Only wish Dann could be shipped out too...

This is just an example of what a corrosive impact Kean as had with his amateurish goings on.

Meltdown.

Arte et labore

Here we go..................
....!

"The presence of the want-away Chris Samba last season did Rovers few favours, with sources close to the club saying Nzonzi has been left training at Brockhall on his own to avoid similar problems."

Really? Whose perspective is that then? Please let us all know what favours the presence of Steve Kean did for Rovers last season!

I would expect Cryer and the rest of Agnew's extended PR department to be busy with putting a positive spin on a series of these exit stories over the next few weeks.
I expect that everybody from last year's first team bar Dann, Dunn, Orr and Pedersen to be training "on their own at Brockhall". You won't be able to move down there for ostracised players.

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
This is just an example of what a corrosive impact Kean as had with his amateurish goings on.

Meltdown.

Arte et labore

agreed pal
totally unproffesional ,what else can we expect from the clown .

nzonzi can sit on his backside and get paid till the end of his contract than play for this idiot ,,telling your something kean? nzonzi hates your guts just as much as the absent fans ,,you really need to go kean .

What can One say
this s only the start
No Season ticket for me till Kean has gone

Mrs D: What's the squad worth, Stevie?
SK: We can get at least £10m each for Nzonzi, Olsson, Dann, Lowe, Hanley, Goodwillie, Formica, Rochina and Vukevic. And about £5m each for the others.
Mrs D: Brilliant Stevie! Your job is safe!

He thumped Kean and is therefore a legend in my eyes.

Good luck for the future Steven!

I'd sell the c*nt for £5m, £10m? happy birthday!

AndyW wrote:
He thumped Kean and is therefore a legend in my eyes.

Good luck for the future Steven!

He didn't thump him hard enough!

One of the most overrated players ever....any offers over ten bob should be considered.

so nzonzi is overrated then so what does that make andy carroll then? when newcastle cashed in on him he's nowhere near as good as his price tag was when they sold him

and still isnt in my opinion

They will get shut of Nzonzi and replace him with another Portuguese signing to support Venky's new advertising campaign. 'Piri Piri Chicken' and the Coq De Barcelos also known as Steve Kean, will reign chicken supreme. Im seriously even more concerned about the Venky's control over the Rovers now. Although I dont rate Nzonzi. I hope these Portuguese players turn into a flock of golden geese for Rovers and not the Venktriloquists.

And the exodus begins!
Wonder If they will re-invest the 10 million, like the 12 million they got for Samba! What a friggin joke these $hits are. Good luck Steven, your better off away from the place.

Just a minute he is looking to leave the club but there has been no intrest for once I can't believe I'm saying this but agree he's left out. Let's face it he hardly pulled up any trees last year did he. 10 mill ya having a laugh ain't u come on 2.5 at the top end he's la sulk and he proper got on my nerves last year!

Nzonzi is a player of real talent and class. This just shows that Kean can't handle real talent and players that don't fit into his booze culture. Time to go Keano, time to go.

Roy of the wrote:
"The presence of the want-away Chris Samba last season did Rovers few favours, with sources close to the club saying Nzonzi has been left training at Brockhall on his own to avoid similar problems."

Really? Whose perspective is that then? Please let us all know what favours the presence of Steve Kean did for Rovers last season!

very true Roy...

Bigbry wrote:
Just a minute he is looking to leave the club but there has been no intrest for once I can't believe I'm saying this but agree he's left out. Let's face it he hardly pulled up any trees last year did he. 10 mill ya having a laugh ain't u come on 2.5 at the top end he's la sulk and he proper got on my nerves last year!

The point of so many in the majority saying 'good luck' to him rather than 'stuff him', tells its own story.
Under 'normal circumstances' everyone would be saying the latter, but our circumstances are not of the normal variety.
You say he has not pulled up any trees, but is it possible that his leader and mentor has had anything to do with this 'failure'?
I do not know if you feel that the team/players can perform to their optimum under SK leadership, but if you do then we should still be in the prem. (as again, the majority believe).
It would appear that the one constant in all of this is one man, whether that is purely because he is in the position he is, or simply: he is the wrong man in the wrong job, I will leave you to decide.

One post says Nzonzi is a player of real talent and class, another says Nzonzi is overrated, which fans do the management listen to?

These days players and agents have the power, not much you can do if they wish to leave. They are doing the right thing keeping him away from the squad.

Still wish they would look for some good defenders instead of all these ordinary Portuguese players.

Hows the chicken !

RoversSwiss wrote:
One post says Nzonzi is a player of real talent and class, another says Nzonzi is overrated, which fans do the management listen to?

These days players and agents have the power, not much you can do if they wish to leave. They are doing the right thing keeping him away from the squad.

Still wish they would look for some good defenders instead of all these ordinary Portuguese players.

Which fans do the management listen to???
Are you on a wind up?

If you look at the clubs who are reportedly interested, that tells its own story, just use that as a yardstick.

Another over inflated French ego after a good first season and should have improved but really disappointing for us last season. The lad though has that magic word - 'potential' - which has never been fully 'realized' here at the Rovers - or so his agents say.

Hard to really tell if he can go onto another level but will anyone pay 10 million for unrealized potential.....not in a zillion years unless its one of the Russian clubs. If he stays in England then the most we can expect is 3 to 4 million tops. Sell if we have a buyer at the 10 million otherwise keep him and play him alongside Murphy.

Let's face it Nzonzi was only a kid and at times did not look motivated but he did have one thing "Potentail" and could you imagine what Holloway at Blackpool could have done with him, sorry this manager cannot motivate an egg.
As stated in several occasions at the end of the season this is just the start, have you noticed the transfer money NEVER gets reinvested, Assett stripping at its best and this is one of the reasons Kean keeps his job with Venkys, he is making them money.

Kean out

Venkys out

No to season tickets

Get out of our club

garyintandem wrote:
Nzonzi is a player of real talent and class. This just shows that Kean can't handle real talent and players that don't fit into his booze culture. Time to go Keano, time to go.

Totally agree - I can't beleive everyone posting that he's rubbish - class player who holds possesion - not kick and hoof, thats why clubs like Arsenal and Brussia Dortmund (German champions for last 2 years) are looking at him.
.
As for £10m value - that sounds about right to me - if we get £8m in the end then thats just about right - bear in mind that J-Rod, a lower division 22/23 yrs old who couldnt make the England U21s last summer has just been sold for £7m.
.
As for "buying big to get us back in the PL" - spent £3m, 1 old English has been, 1 Portguese has been and 2 Portugese never beens who will have never encountered anything like the English championship. Put that against the selling, Yak, Hoilett, Robinson, Nzonzi, Formica and Olson - all of our better players.
.
Then you have Dann (they'll off load him for the money if they can), Givet, will leave if he dosent get his wage increase, Goodwillie, reports coming that Kean wants to off-load him (he never wanted Goodwillie in first place, he wanted Pavone), and Rochina was very unhappy with being on bench since Jan and could leave if he gets a decent offer from Spain.
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A strong team to chalenge, having lost 8 or 9 of our best players and replaced them with a mixed bag, oh and throw in the worst manager in the division and a club still at war with the majority of its supporters - promotion, hmm, I wouldnt put too much money on it !

He had a good first season due to Allardyce managing him ,then numbnuts took over and could not develop him,unlike how he developed young Jones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
! the mans an utter plonker.

I wonder how big a bonus Kean will get when he saves N Zonzi wages .

Add it to the 1/2 million he got when he signed the new contract last year and the 2nd 1/2 million at the end of last season ( comment to LET - rumours from a reliable source )

Rather "transfer" Kean.

if we cant keep average players like Nzonzi we ve no change, he was very ordinary. kean your an idiot

A player is worth whatever somebody else is prepared to pay for his contract. When I see Arsenal and Borussia mentioned, I hear his agent trying to talk up a deal, as with Junior Hoilett. They will probably both go, but I suspect not to glamour clubs. I wouldn't expect £10M for the pair of them. The club should be building for next season, and probably are, on the expectation that they will not be here, and please don't buy anybody who will not command a first team place.

A Darener wrote:
Rather "transfer" Kean.

Rather shoot Kean!

thresholdweller wrote:
A player is worth whatever somebody else is prepared to pay for his contract. When I see Arsenal and Borussia mentioned, I hear his agent trying to talk up a deal, as with Junior Hoilett. They will probably both go, but I suspect not to glamour clubs. I wouldn't expect £10M for the pair of them. The club should be building for next season, and probably are, on the expectation that they will not be here, and please don't buy anybody who will not command a first team place.

building for next season ,, your havin a laugh,, there putting together a relegation survival team

If it's true Nzonzi punched Kean, I think it's disgusting.

That nobody managed to film it.

Over-rated. Because Arsenal want him, that doesn't mean he's good.
More disturbing is Kean's continued petulance - any dissent and palyers are told to stand in the cortner like naughty children.
Join me at Stanley next season wearing your Rovers shirt until and Venkys go.

Keen O to Get Kean Out wrote:

thresholdweller wrote:
A player is worth whatever somebody else is prepared to pay for his contract. When I see Arsenal and Borussia mentioned, I hear his agent trying to talk up a deal, as with Junior Hoilett. They will probably both go, but I suspect not to glamour clubs. I wouldn't expect £10M for the pair of them. The club should be building for next season, and probably are, on the expectation that they will not be here, and please don't buy anybody who will not command a first team place.

building for next season ,, your havin a laugh,, there putting together a relegation survival team

Well, a survival team would be better than last season. Nevertheless, I think that everybody at the club wants promotion and is planning for it. They may not be very good at their job, they may be away with the faeries, but they think that they are planning for a promotion season.

Which other players were not aboard Sunday's plane out to
pre - season training.
Come on Andy , do your research ,
we would all like to know.

Judge Nic Sanders wrote:
Which other players were not aboard Sunday's plane out to pre - season training. Come on Andy , do your research , we would all like to know.

like us all , andy hasnt a clue wots goin on

thresholdweller wrote:

Keen O to Get Kean Out wrote:

thresholdweller wrote: A player is worth whatever somebody else is prepared to pay for his contract. When I see Arsenal and Borussia mentioned, I hear his agent trying to talk up a deal, as with Junior Hoilett. They will probably both go, but I suspect not to glamour clubs. I wouldn't expect £10M for the pair of them. The club should be building for next season, and probably are, on the expectation that they will not be here, and please don't buy anybody who will not command a first team place.

building for next season ,, your havin a laugh,, there putting together a relegation survival team

Well, a survival team would be better than last season. Nevertheless, I think that everybody at the club wants promotion and is planning for it. They may not be very good at their job, they may be away with the faeries, but they think that they are planning for a promotion season.

I wish they were building a survival team.

We already have a left back and a centre half (Givet) almost guaranteed to leave and now our only defensive midfielder. With Desperate also likely to want away, we have no defence to speak of and no replacements mentioned.

These players were all likely to leave so why have they not been replaced? After last season's defensive debacle we needed strengthening in that area more than any other, even if we had kept these players.

Like I say, this guy thinks defence is something that goes around de garden.

Planning for the Premiership? He really is on a different planet.

I am just curious... how is it that a player who doesn't want to drop down a level and only wants to play in the Premier League - manages to be all Steve Kean's fault?

The Blackburn Blame Game

This story says 'left out' same story on other sites says he went 'AWOL'. Football is a farce!!!!

Like many others on here we realise that the sale of Samba and N;zonzi will bring in monies enough to buy a full defence in the Championship but instead I think we will be hearing of a new Venkeys chicken farm or the like being opened in Pune.

bburnrover wrote:
Like many others on here we realise that the sale of Samba and N;zonzi will bring in monies enough to buy a full defence in the Championship but instead I think we will be hearing of a new Venkeys chicken farm or the like being opened in Pune.

correct, and that will be full of maggots too

Judge Nic Sanders wrote:
Which other players were not aboard Sunday's plane out to
pre - season training.
Come on Andy , do your research ,
we would all like to know.

it is reported that Robinson has gone with them to Austria in a 26 man group. Seems a bit odd that Robbo is there? All the 4 new signings are there so maybe you can work out the 26 from that like below:

Robbo, Bunn, Jake Kean, Hanley, Henley, Dann, Givet, Orr, Morris, Cotton, O'Connor, Pedersen, Marcus Olsson, Dunn, Goodwillie, Lowe, Murphy, Gomes, Blackman, Nunes, Rochina, Formica, Petrovic, Best, Vukevic, and Slew would be my guess at the 26.

Dont think that Linghanzi, Riberio or Myles Anderson will be there but would like the LET to confirm the squad that went please?

Hippocroccapig wrote:
I am just curious... how is it that a player who doesn't want to drop down a level and only wants to play in the Premier League - manages to be all Steve Kean's fault? The Blackburn Blame Game

It isn't; it's a natural consequence of being relegated.

The gripe I have is there has been no sign of any replacements or even anything being done to address the blindingly obvious problems that got us relegated.

Midfielders who can keep the ball is one thing, getting it in the first place is a different matter.

Even Brian Laws would have known that.

Arsenal said to have approached Blackburn for Nzonzi

Judge Nic Sanders wrote:
Which other players were not aboard Sunday's plane out to
pre - season training.
Come on Andy , do your research ,
we would all like to know.

The travelling squad: Robinson, Givet, Dunn, Formica, Bunn, Petrovic, Dann, Orr, O'Connell, Rochina, Marcus Olsson, Blackman, Murphy, Goodwillie, Vukcevic, Hanley, Best, Kean, Lowe, Henley, Anderson, Morris, Nunes, Usai and Gomes.

Those players who were on international duty at the end of the season will return to first team training at a later date.

When Nzonzi played well, rovers played well last season. He was the stand out player for most of it. Anyone who went to Everton away witnessed a midfield passing master-class against some very strong opponents, similarly he was brilliant against a 10 man Fulham at home slipping a sumptuous ball through to Formica; cracking goal against QPR etc. Anyone who thinks that he is poor is a fool, the lad is pure quality. He got disillusioned like the rest of us with SK and at a guess he said something hence his admission from some of the team at the tail of the season. Steven will go far in the game, and we should have done everything in our power to persuade him to stay; pay him Murphy’s & Gomes’ salary etc. He will be a bigger loss than Yak or Hoillet for sure.

bburnrover wrote:
Like many others on here we realise that the sale of Samba and N;zonzi will bring in monies enough to buy a full defence in the Championship but instead I think we will be hearing of a new Venkeys chicken farm or the like being opened in Pune.

Careful now, that is tantamount to treason under Keanos regime.

Just remember Venkys and Kean are the main player's here, and all they want you to do is just listen to their sabre rattling, pay up and take it.
Its the individual's choice.

Rovers looking at Jay Spearing as replacement apparently..

If Nzonzi is worth £10m then I'm worth £5m. Can't blame him for wanting to go though. Others will be following him out the door soon...

French Rover wrote:

Judge Nic Sanders wrote:
Which other players were not aboard Sunday's plane out to
pre - season training.
Come on Andy , do your research ,
we would all like to know.

it is reported that Robinson has gone with them to Austria in a 26 man group. Seems a bit odd that Robbo is there? All the 4 new signings are there so maybe you can work out the 26 from that like below:

Robbo, Bunn, Jake Kean, Hanley, Henley, Dann, Givet, Orr, Morris, Cotton, O'Connor, Pedersen, Marcus Olsson, Dunn, Goodwillie, Lowe, Murphy, Gomes, Blackman, Nunes, Rochina, Formica, Petrovic, Best, Vukevic, and Slew would be my guess at the 26.

Dont think that Linghanzi, Riberio or Myles Anderson will be there but would like the LET to confirm the squad that went please?

Morning Mr French :)

More trouble at mill :(

Deluge from the heavens, and the river Darwen is lapping at the doors of Ewood !

N'zonzi is up in arms having failed to progress under this lot, and now £10 million quid being quoted for his wantaway services by these greedy bug eyed imposters. Now we are debt free(according to the oracle) just what will this money be invested into should he be sold on in that region ?

If we don't hit the ground running I see pretty hard times ahead. That said, I would expect the Odious One to be shown the door ?

Smiles and sunshine ? Nah, just dark clouds and pouring rain - he he :)

Arte et labore

The best worst player Rovers ever had.
Looked so good whilst being utterly toss.

J.C - Rishton wrote:

garyintandem wrote:
Nzonzi is a player of real talent and class. This just shows that Kean can't handle real talent and players that don't fit into his booze culture. Time to go Keano, time to go.

Totally agree - I can't beleive everyone posting that he's rubbish - class player who holds possesion - not kick and hoof, thats why clubs like Arsenal and Brussia Dortmund (German champions for last 2 years) are looking at him.
.
As for £10m value - that sounds about right to me - if we get £8m in the end then thats just about right - bear in mind that J-Rod, a lower division 22/23 yrs old who couldnt make the England U21s last summer has just been sold for £7m.
.
As for "buying big to get us back in the PL" - spent £3m, 1 old English has been, 1 Portguese has been and 2 Portugese never beens who will have never encountered anything like the English championship. Put that against the selling, Yak, Hoilett, Robinson, Nzonzi, Formica and Olson - all of our better players.
.
Then you have Dann (they'll off load him for the money if they can), Givet, will leave if he dosent get his wage increase, Goodwillie, reports coming that Kean wants to off-load him (he never wanted Goodwillie in first place, he wanted Pavone), and Rochina was very unhappy with being on bench since Jan and could leave if he gets a decent offer from Spain.
.
A strong team to chalenge, having lost 8 or 9 of our best players and replaced them with a mixed bag, oh and throw in the worst manager in the division and a club still at war with the majority of its supporters - promotion, hmm, I wouldnt put too much money on it !

3 weeks ago I posted that 13 players had asked to leave Ewood.

Yakubu has gone, Hoilett will go very soon.
They may soon be followed by Nzonzi, Formica, Givet, Dann, Robinson, Olsson, Rochina, Goodwillie.
Thats 10 players for a start, without the likes of Vucavic & Petrovic who again look like they will be frozen out next season.

Shebby Singh stated that Rovers were tying to sign all their new players before the start of pre-season training last week. This hasn't proved possible and they are still 'locked in negoations' to sign yet another Portuguese player Silva.

If he arrives that will be just 5 players in against a possible 10 - 13 players out.

Any fees recovered will therefore not be reinvested in the team - aka Samba last year.

For those supporters who are currently toying with the idea of buying a new season ticket - I would be very very careful as you may not recognise the team come 18th August.

No surprises here Nzonzi wants away along with others - the Rovers valuation of £10m - way off the mark just like the way the current regime run the club - Kean is no 'man' manager equally incapable of Managing a football club as he has proven with his abysmal record both last season - he has no principals as we all know and as for discipline - a convicted drink driver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OUT WITH KEAN AGNEW VENKYS SINGH all idiots!!!!!!!!!!

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Judge Nic Sanders wrote:
Which other players were not aboard Sunday's plane out to
pre - season training.
Come on Andy , do your research ,
we would all like to know.

it is reported that Robinson has gone with them to Austria in a 26 man group. Seems a bit odd that Robbo is there? All the 4 new signings are there so maybe you can work out the 26 from that like below:

Robbo, Bunn, Jake Kean, Hanley, Henley, Dann, Givet, Orr, Morris, Cotton, O'Connor, Pedersen, Marcus Olsson, Dunn, Goodwillie, Lowe, Murphy, Gomes, Blackman, Nunes, Rochina, Formica, Petrovic, Best, Vukevic, and Slew would be my guess at the 26.

Dont think that Linghanzi, Riberio or Myles Anderson will be there but would like the LET to confirm the squad that went please?

Morning Mr French :)

More trouble at mill :(

Deluge from the heavens, and the river Darwen is lapping at the doors of Ewood !

N'zonzi is up in arms having failed to progress under this lot, and now £10 million quid being quoted for his wantaway services by these greedy bug eyed imposters. Now we are debt free(according to the oracle) just what will this money be invested into should he be sold on in that region ?

If we don't hit the ground running I see pretty hard times ahead. That said, I would expect the Odious One to be shown the door ?

Smiles and sunshine ? Nah, just dark clouds and pouring rain - he he :)

Arte et labore

Maybe they can spend some of the money on flood defenses if my beautiful River Darwen is running high..? Should be easy to catch the rainbow trout today!

Maybe we should cast away the odious one on the River Darwen in a small rubber dingy so he can sail away down into the Ribble estuary and across the seas to Ireland where they seem to like a load of Blarney.

They certainly seem loathe to spend it on our football defense - unless - they believe that both Dann and Givet will stay? If either goes we will need direct and decent replacements as a stingy defense is key to getting out of this league.

Yes still troubled times RR...hope all is ok with you otherwise?

J.C - Rishton wrote:

garyintandem wrote:
Nzonzi is a player of real talent and class. This just shows that Kean can't handle real talent and players that don't fit into his booze culture. Time to go Keano, time to go.

Totally agree - I can't beleive everyone posting that he's rubbish - class player who holds possesion - not kick and hoof, thats why clubs like Arsenal and Brussia Dortmund (German champions for last 2 years) are looking at him.
.
As for £10m value - that sounds about right to me - if we get £8m in the end then thats just about right - bear in mind that J-Rod, a lower division 22/23 yrs old who couldnt make the England U21s last summer has just been sold for £7m.
.
As for "buying big to get us back in the PL" - spent £3m, 1 old English has been, 1 Portguese has been and 2 Portugese never beens who will have never encountered anything like the English championship. Put that against the selling, Yak, Hoilett, Robinson, Nzonzi, Formica and Olson - all of our better players.
.
Then you have Dann (they'll off load him for the money if they can), Givet, will leave if he dosent get his wage increase, Goodwillie, reports coming that Kean wants to off-load him (he never wanted Goodwillie in first place, he wanted Pavone), and Rochina was very unhappy with being on bench since Jan and could leave if he gets a decent offer from Spain.
.
A strong team to chalenge, having lost 8 or 9 of our best players and replaced them with a mixed bag, oh and throw in the worst manager in the division and a club still at war with the majority of its supporters - promotion, hmm, I wouldnt put too much money on it !

Agreed

so now we know where GOMES and MURPHYS pension fund is coming from, but 10 million i dont think so !

Judge Nic Sanders wrote:
Which other players were not aboard Sunday's plane out to
pre - season training.
Come on Andy , do your research ,
we would all like to know.

trying to get blood from a stone comes to mind

Prediction.
Kean claims Nzonzi going nowhere.
Rovers turn down a couple of offers of £1-2m.
Nzonzi claims he wants to leave for football reasons.
Rovers accept an offer on 31st August of about £4m.
Kean tells us how the timing of his departure left us unable to spend the money.
Venkys turn yet another transfer window profit.

thresholdweller wrote:

Keen O to Get Kean Out wrote:

thresholdweller wrote:
A player is worth whatever somebody else is prepared to pay for his contract. When I see Arsenal and Borussia mentioned, I hear his agent trying to talk up a deal, as with Junior Hoilett. They will probably both go, but I suspect not to glamour clubs. I wouldn't expect £10M for the pair of them. The club should be building for next season, and probably are, on the expectation that they will not be here, and please don't buy anybody who will not command a first team place.

building for next season ,, your havin a laugh,, there putting together a relegation survival team

Well, a survival team would be better than last season. Nevertheless, I think that everybody at the club wants promotion and is planning for it. They may not be very good at their job, they may be away with the faeries, but they think that they are planning for a promotion season.

They may be planning, but I believe it will be a tough season in the championship, i'm not expecting the top half!

thresholdweller wrote:

Keen O to Get Kean Out wrote:

thresholdweller wrote:
A player is worth whatever somebody else is prepared to pay for his contract. When I see Arsenal and Borussia mentioned, I hear his agent trying to talk up a deal, as with Junior Hoilett. They will probably both go, but I suspect not to glamour clubs. I wouldn't expect £10M for the pair of them. The club should be building for next season, and probably are, on the expectation that they will not be here, and please don't buy anybody who will not command a first team place.

building for next season ,, your havin a laugh,, there putting together a relegation survival team

Well, a survival team would be better than last season. Nevertheless, I think that everybody at the club wants promotion and is planning for it. They may not be very good at their job, they may be away with the faeries, but they think that they are planning for a promotion season.

They may be planning, but I believe it will be a tough season in the championship, i'm not expecting the top half!

Mr Nzonzi, you were clearly not good enough for the prem and you reckon you are too good for the championship! As there is no league in between those 2 you had better get resigned to training with the young uns at Brockhall! It would appear nobody else wants you so knuckle down and fight for you place in the first team.....alternative
ly continue sulking and you will be forgotten pretty soon!

If Dann and Givet go,we need to buy 2 centre halves.none are being mentiond so pehaps they're staying.

I saw a headine this morning
"SCUNTHORPE SIGN GRELLA AND RIBEIRO!"

it's not our two though! Has Grella gone?

euxtonblue wrote:
Mr Nzonzi, you were clearly not good enough for the prem and you reckon you are too good for the championship! As there is no league in between those 2 you had better get resigned to training with the young uns at Brockhall! It would appear nobody else wants you so knuckle down and fight for you place in the first team.....alternative

ly continue sulking and you will be forgotten pretty soon!

or you could stick one on kean again and and go out a legend!

French Rover wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Judge Nic Sanders wrote:
Which other players were not aboard Sunday's plane out to
pre - season training.
Come on Andy , do your research ,
we would all like to know.

it is reported that Robinson has gone with them to Austria in a 26 man group. Seems a bit odd that Robbo is there? All the 4 new signings are there so maybe you can work out the 26 from that like below:

Robbo, Bunn, Jake Kean, Hanley, Henley, Dann, Givet, Orr, Morris, Cotton, O'Connor, Pedersen, Marcus Olsson, Dunn, Goodwillie, Lowe, Murphy, Gomes, Blackman, Nunes, Rochina, Formica, Petrovic, Best, Vukevic, and Slew would be my guess at the 26.

Dont think that Linghanzi, Riberio or Myles Anderson will be there but would like the LET to confirm the squad that went please?

Morning Mr French :)

More trouble at mill :(

Deluge from the heavens, and the river Darwen is lapping at the doors of Ewood !

N'zonzi is up in arms having failed to progress under this lot, and now £10 million quid being quoted for his wantaway services by these greedy bug eyed imposters. Now we are debt free(according to the oracle) just what will this money be invested into should he be sold on in that region ?

If we don't hit the ground running I see pretty hard times ahead. That said, I would expect the Odious One to be shown the door ?

Smiles and sunshine ? Nah, just dark clouds and pouring rain - he he :)

Arte et labore

Maybe they can spend some of the money on flood defenses if my beautiful River Darwen is running high..? Should be easy to catch the rainbow trout today!

Maybe we should cast away the odious one on the River Darwen in a small rubber dingy so he can sail away down into the Ribble estuary and across the seas to Ireland where they seem to like a load of Blarney.

They certainly seem loathe to spend it on our football defense - unless - they believe that both Dann and Givet will stay? If either goes we will need direct and decent replacements as a stingy defense is key to getting out of this league.

Yes still troubled times RR...hope all is ok with you otherwise?

Yes, all good sir :)

Now that would be a good send off ! I reckon it would be a sell out crowd to witness that one !

Wot no defense?£^*(**^%@^*
*!!!**%^^!

Entertaining stuff to be had then !

T'up the Rovers.

The Rovers won't allow the player to leave on the cheap,no but they will replace him on the cheap if they have not already done so,this lot have made an absolute mint from selling players,and spent Bugger all,they are Bloody laughing at us,Kean and Venkys have taken the **** out of us.dont give them any more money the Bloody slime balls.

juanbbien wrote:
The Rovers won't allow the player to leave on the cheap,no but they will replace him on the cheap if they have not already done so,this lot have made an absolute mint from selling players,and spent Bugger all,they are Bloody laughing at us,Kean and Venkys have taken the **** out of us.dont give them any more money the Bloody slime balls.

100% correct,, whats the sales of season tikits so far ??

dont blame nonzi for wanting to leave - who really wants to play for con man keane. More likely to get 4/5 million which will further contribute to venkys cash pot.Asthe new season approaches i feel agrived that i cannot go to ewood like i have done for the past 52 years but WILL NOT GO TILL KEAN HAS GONE. Come on Mr Shaw give rovers fans what they want and get rid of this loser

2 Years ago Nzonzie was a squad player. Now he looks like gold dust compared to the squad Kean has assembled / destroyed (take your pick).
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That more than anything should tell Shaw and Agnew why this idiot should not be allowed to do any more damage.
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SACK HIM NOW - the evidence does not require even Dr Watson never mind Sherlock!

When I went saint Antony's infant school in 1984 I don't remember anyone called Nzonzi?

I do remember the Fonzi though!

I asked my wife what she wanted for her birthday.

"A spa would be nice", she replied.

"Ok", I said, jabbing her in the nose three times, before flooring her with a cheeky right hook.

My new girlfriend has turned me into a millionaire.

I was a billionaire before that.

penemo wrote:
dont blame nonzi for wanting to leave - who really wants to play for con man keane. More likely to get 4/5 million which will further contribute to venkys cash pot.Asthe new season approaches i feel agrived that i cannot go to ewood like i have done for the past 52 years but WILL NOT GO TILL KEAN HAS GONE. Come on Mr Shaw give rovers fans what they want and get rid of this loser

its no use asking Mr shaw for help hes part of the problem with the rest of the assembled yes men.even when kean go,s the place will still be full of losers who have no clue how to run a football club that is the over riding problem at ewood

As supporters we are fed snippits of info, and argue about the validity until a year or so on when they can't be hidden any longer.

These players know far more than us, and have had to work with that knowledge, knowing they are not allowed to divulge the sometimes unbelieveable internal inadequaces, and knowing it is as near to corrupt as they have seen.

It must be near impossible to produce your best performances under these conditions.

Under mad Kean you go along with his total lack of ability and lies or you ask for the club to set a price for you to leave which you know will be heavily influenced by the mad bad one.

That's as near to torture as these players have ever come.

It's just a shame that no one at Ewood can break ranks and stop this greedy destruction of not only the club, but the carreers of most who work there.

gleechy wrote:
As supporters we are fed snippits of info, and argue about the validity until a year or so on when they can't be hidden any longer. These players know far more than us, and have had to work with that knowledge, knowing they are not allowed to divulge the sometimes unbelieveable internal inadequaces, and knowing it is as near to corrupt as they have seen. It must be near impossible to produce your best performances under these conditions. Under mad Kean you go along with his total lack of ability and lies or you ask for the club to set a price for you to leave which you know will be heavily influenced by the mad bad one. That's as near to torture as these players have ever come. It's just a shame that no one at Ewood can break ranks and stop this greedy destruction of not only the club, but the carreers of most who work there.

in india the culture is to do as you are told or you are beaten , and venkys only want yes men on peanut wages ,, theyll never change,

French Rover wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Judge Nic Sanders wrote: Which other players were not aboard Sunday's plane out to pre - season training. Come on Andy , do your research , we would all like to know.

it is reported that Robinson has gone with them to Austria in a 26 man group. Seems a bit odd that Robbo is there? All the 4 new signings are there so maybe you can work out the 26 from that like below: Robbo, Bunn, Jake Kean, Hanley, Henley, Dann, Givet, Orr, Morris, Cotton, O'Connor, Pedersen, Marcus Olsson, Dunn, Goodwillie, Lowe, Murphy, Gomes, Blackman, Nunes, Rochina, Formica, Petrovic, Best, Vukevic, and Slew would be my guess at the 26. Dont think that Linghanzi, Riberio or Myles Anderson will be there but would like the LET to confirm the squad that went please?

Morning Mr French :) More trouble at mill :( Deluge from the heavens, and the river Darwen is lapping at the doors of Ewood ! N'zonzi is up in arms having failed to progress under this lot, and now £10 million quid being quoted for his wantaway services by these greedy bug eyed imposters. Now we are debt free(according to the oracle) just what will this money be invested into should he be sold on in that region ? If we don't hit the ground running I see pretty hard times ahead. That said, I would expect the Odious One to be shown the door ? Smiles and sunshine ? Nah, just dark clouds and pouring rain - he he :) Arte et labore

Maybe they can spend some of the money on flood defenses if my beautiful River Darwen is running high..? Should be easy to catch the rainbow trout today! Maybe we should cast away the odious one on the River Darwen in a small rubber dingy so he can sail away down into the Ribble estuary and across the seas to Ireland where they seem to like a load of Blarney. They certainly seem loathe to spend it on our football defense - unless - they believe that both Dann and Givet will stay? If either goes we will need direct and decent replacements as a stingy defense is key to getting out of this league. Yes still troubled times RR...hope all is ok with you otherwise?

Why waste money on a dinghy? Just throw the odious one in and hope he can't swim!

To be honest I wouldn't shed to many tears about any of the present team leaving they could all be replaced none are that special.
Exceptions would be Givet,mr 100%,Henley,Hanley and Lowe who all have promise and if I'm honest I do like Nzonzi but with Murphy we need some mobility in midfield so maybe the cash could improve the team if it was spent.
Keans big failing is he can't decide on a system he wants to play so he can't assemble a squad,so we are left with mostly under performing misfits.
I'm glad I'm not going!

When you look at the farcical situation when Givet was left out because his head wasn't right, it is hardly any surprise that certain players no longer want to play for us. In that game were Givet was left out at Swansea, Nzonzi looked like he was barely interested for the bulk of that match.

Much as I hated his attitude and as desperate as I was for us to win that game, I have to blame Kean for Nzonzi behaving like that. He was aware that one of his better team mates was being frozen out due to him giving Kean his honest opinion. It comes as no surprise to learn that Nzonzi now wants to leave, who can blame him?

I I have rarely known a team as de- motivated as Rovers were in certain games last year. We all know Kean has real short commings in almost every area, but to have a demoralised squad is the pits. He is totally to blame for this and to have to put up with more of this next season stinks.

From TribalFootball site:

"Tottenham winger David Bentley has expressed regret over the manner of his departure from Blackburn Rovers.

The midfielder is hoping for a fresh start under new manager Andre Villas-Boas.

He told the People: "I was gutted at the way I conducted myself when I left Blackburn, saying I wanted to leave. If I could take that back, I would. I'd apologise to the fans and John Williams, who was the chairman, for the way I left."

I wonder if its the opportunity of the fat pay deals he's regretting?

Maybe he wants back lol

blueblooded wrote:
From TribalFootball site:

"Tottenham winger David Bentley has expressed regret over the manner of his departure from Blackburn Rovers.

The midfielder is hoping for a fresh start under new manager Andre Villas-Boas.

He told the People: "I was gutted at the way I conducted myself when I left Blackburn, saying I wanted to leave. If I could take that back, I would. I'd apologise to the fans and John Williams, who was the chairman, for the way I left."

I wonder if its the opportunity of the fat pay deals he's regretting?

Maybe he wants back lol

maybe some of the players who have just left could spill the beans on the present goings on but sadly it seems they have all been paid to keep quiet

benal13 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:
From TribalFootball site:

"Tottenham winger David Bentley has expressed regret over the manner of his departure from Blackburn Rovers.

The midfielder is hoping for a fresh start under new manager Andre Villas-Boas.

He told the People: "I was gutted at the way I conducted myself when I left Blackburn, saying I wanted to leave. If I could take that back, I would. I'd apologise to the fans and John Williams, who was the chairman, for the way I left."

I wonder if its the opportunity of the fat pay deals he's regretting?

Maybe he wants back lol

maybe some of the players who have just left could spill the beans on the present goings on but sadly it seems they have all been paid to keep quiet

but why? I just don't get what ties them down THAT much. Money yes, but if you've gone and been gone for a while, there's little stop you "leaking" the truth.

All we get is Kean's new buds telling us what an amazing chap he is and how they couldn't wait to play for him!

The likes of John Williams and co. seem to get a lot of praise on here as do the Walkers Trust, yet not one of them have put their heads above the parapet and told the truth, and pound to a penny if Nzonzi goes, he will deny any altercation between him and the follicly challenged one.

WHY?!

These people owe us an explanation.

As Plato was quoted to have said:

"The price of apathy in public affairs, is to be ruled by evil men"

blueblooded wrote:
Arsenal said to have approached Blackburn for Nzonzi

Where do you get your info from, because it's certainly always before anyone else?

You seem to get your info at the exact same Steve Kean does, to the micro-second in fact.

Jack Herer wrote:

blueblooded wrote:
Arsenal said to have approached Blackburn for Nzonzi

Where do you get your info from, because it's certainly always before anyone else?

You seem to get your info at the exact same Steve Kean does, to the micro-second in fact.

Arsenal approached Rovers for Nzonzi last season, its no great suprise they have come back as asene cheapskate venger seems to be related to venkys. He offered 8 million last year and now figures he's worth less, but will slot right in to a top five team midfield.
Nzonzi is a real class act and for supporters on here to say otherwise shows their level of football knowledge. What they seem to have forgotten already is that Nzonzi was being asked to play by the arsehole that is steve keanochio, would you be frustrated as a player? I'm pretty sure you all would be when your getting stuffed every week and you see slgado in dubai and never to play again nelsen, who can only move his eyelids going to spurs.
I don't know sometimes I wonder about the intelligence of my fellow Rovers fans.
Steve Kean out. End of nose supporters please do likewise.

blueblooded wrote:

benal13 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:
From TribalFootball site:

"Tottenham winger David Bentley has expressed regret over the manner of his departure from Blackburn Rovers.

The midfielder is hoping for a fresh start under new manager Andre Villas-Boas.

He told the People: "I was gutted at the way I conducted myself when I left Blackburn, saying I wanted to leave. If I could take that back, I would. I'd apologise to the fans and John Williams, who was the chairman, for the way I left."

I wonder if its the opportunity of the fat pay deals he's regretting?

Maybe he wants back lol

maybe some of the players who have just left could spill the beans on the present goings on but sadly it seems they have all been paid to keep quiet

but why? I just don't get what ties them down THAT much. Money yes, but if you've gone and been gone for a while, there's little stop you "leaking" the truth.

All we get is Kean's new buds telling us what an amazing chap he is and how they couldn't wait to play for him!

The likes of John Williams and co. seem to get a lot of praise on here as do the Walkers Trust, yet not one of them have put their heads above the parapet and told the truth, and pound to a penny if Nzonzi goes, he will deny any altercation between him and the follicly challenged one.

WHY?!

These people owe us an explanation.

As Plato was quoted to have said:

"The price of apathy in public affairs, is to be ruled by evil men"

what a load of tosh whoever think's all these mouthy footballer's have paid off and everyone has kept qiuet is deluded.If something is going on do you not think the likes of john wiliams would have told the correct authorites, these conspiricy theories are the most ridiculous things i've ever heard.Your telling me for all the people that have crossed kean venky's not 1 of these people have accidently spoken out it's utter nonsense.Use your brain's Venky's are here for the long haul and have serious cash, they obviously trust kean(god know's why) so he will be here for a while until they see sense

And so it begins.

The "look we are signing players please renew your season tickets" ploy is finally revealed as it becomes clear that our modest additions to date will simply precede an exodus of biblical proportions.

As fans we are frustrated that the Inept One has been allowed to continue. Imagine how frustrating then that is for the first team, who see at first hand on a daily basis the complete scandal that Kean's continued tenure represents. Poor tactics, poor signings, poor off-field conduct, terrible results = new contract?!

Any senior player who has anything resembling a suitable alternative will be off in a flash. The money recouped will, as with the sales Kalanic, Jones and Samba simply disappear without trace. When the club bought Best they fell over themselves to tell the fans it was a £3M deal, I wonder if the same desire for transparency will apply to our summer sales.....I very much doubt it.....it will be undisclosed fees all the way with the club down playing the sums received.

The actions of Kean and Venky's get a lot of ridicule on here, yet what if their actions to date are deliberate and on strategy. Whilst this is nothing more than a fear of mine, consider for a second that you are charged with taking over the Club that Jack Built and then extracting from it every penny you could in as short a time as possible, and irrespective of the state the club is in at the end of the game. A sort of perverse version of championship manager. If that was your game then you could do a lot worse than mirror what has happened at our club to date. You could look to hang in the Premiership as long as you could whilst selling all of your best players. You might then, on relegation, look to sell all remaining valuable players, slash staff, cut wages and by doing so maximise the parachute payment and player sales monies that you can extract. This strategy will ensure further relegation with even more cost savings. When in the lower leagues and with the parachute money running out, you could look to sell major assets such as the Brockenhall Academy for housing on the justification that a League 1 or 2 club cannot sustain such an extensive academy. Throughout this period you would need to try to disguise your actual intentions by making a signing here or there, might use clever PR strategies like a complete shutdown of communication with the media and fans when things got so bad that sacking the manager became impossible to explain, and/or could pretend to be ill-informed, all to distract people from the real aim. At the same time you would need to appoint loyal henchmen, people with no sense of self-respect or honour, people willing to spout anything to try to cover up your real aim. You would have to show similar loyalties to these people, with contract extensions and promotions, otherwise your strategy might get ‘outed’.

When all that is done you would look to exit the club at the end of the game ‘admitting’ you are not cut out for football ownership and perhaps even try to spin the facts to claim a ‘loss’ given that the sale of the club will then be for significantly less than you paid for it, albeit conveniently ignoring all of the money you will have extracted from it during your tenure. By the end of a process like this you might have doubled, maybe tripled your investment and will not have broken any laws. The only losers would be the club and the fans.

I really hope my perverse game of championship manager is not taking place in Lancashire as we speak.

blueblooded wrote:

benal13 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:
From TribalFootball site:

"Tottenham winger David Bentley has expressed regret over the manner of his departure from Blackburn Rovers.

The midfielder is hoping for a fresh start under new manager Andre Villas-Boas.

He told the People: "I was gutted at the way I conducted myself when I left Blackburn, saying I wanted to leave. If I could take that back, I would. I'd apologise to the fans and John Williams, who was the chairman, for the way I left."

I wonder if its the opportunity of the fat pay deals he's regretting?

Maybe he wants back lol

maybe some of the players who have just left could spill the beans on the present goings on but sadly it seems they have all been paid to keep quiet

but why? I just don't get what ties them down THAT much. Money yes, but if you've gone and been gone for a while, there's little stop you "leaking" the truth.

All we get is Kean's new buds telling us what an amazing chap he is and how they couldn't wait to play for him!

The likes of John Williams and co. seem to get a lot of praise on here as do the Walkers Trust, yet not one of them have put their heads above the parapet and told the truth, and pound to a penny if Nzonzi goes, he will deny any altercation between him and the follicly challenged one.

WHY?!

These people owe us an explanation.

As Plato was quoted to have said:

"The price of apathy in public affairs, is to be ruled by evil men"

benal13 says when evil men offer blood money greedy players take it and keep there mouths shut on evil goings on!.

SadRover wrote:
And so it begins.

The "look we are signing players please renew your season tickets" ploy is finally revealed as it becomes clear that our modest additions to date will simply precede an exodus of biblical proportions.

As fans we are frustrated that the Inept One has been allowed to continue. Imagine how frustrating then that is for the first team, who see at first hand on a daily basis the complete scandal that Kean's continued tenure represents. Poor tactics, poor signings, poor off-field conduct, terrible results = new contract?!

Any senior player who has anything resembling a suitable alternative will be off in a flash. The money recouped will, as with the sales Kalanic, Jones and Samba simply disappear without trace. When the club bought Best they fell over themselves to tell the fans it was a £3M deal, I wonder if the same desire for transparency will apply to our summer sales.....I very much doubt it.....it will be undisclosed fees all the way with the club down playing the sums received.

The actions of Kean and Venky's get a lot of ridicule on here, yet what if their actions to date are deliberate and on strategy. Whilst this is nothing more than a fear of mine, consider for a second that you are charged with taking over the Club that Jack Built and then extracting from it every penny you could in as short a time as possible, and irrespective of the state the club is in at the end of the game. A sort of perverse version of championship manager. If that was your game then you could do a lot worse than mirror what has happened at our club to date. You could look to hang in the Premiership as long as you could whilst selling all of your best players. You might then, on relegation, look to sell all remaining valuable players, slash staff, cut wages and by doing so maximise the parachute payment and player sales monies that you can extract. This strategy will ensure further relegation with even more cost savings. When in the lower leagues and with the parachute money running out, you could look to sell major assets such as the Brockenhall Academy for housing on the justification that a League 1 or 2 club cannot sustain such an extensive academy. Throughout this period you would need to try to disguise your actual intentions by making a signing here or there, might use clever PR strategies like a complete shutdown of communication with the media and fans when things got so bad that sacking the manager became impossible to explain, and/or could pretend to be ill-informed, all to distract people from the real aim. At the same time you would need to appoint loyal henchmen, people with no sense of self-respect or honour, people willing to spout anything to try to cover up your real aim. You would have to show similar loyalties to these people, with contract extensions and promotions, otherwise your strategy might get ‘outed’.

When all that is done you would look to exit the club at the end of the game ‘admitting’ you are not cut out for football ownership and perhaps even try to spin the facts to claim a ‘loss’ given that the sale of the club will then be for significantly less than you paid for it, albeit conveniently ignoring all of the money you will have extracted from it during your tenure. By the end of a process like this you might have doubled, maybe tripled your investment and will not have broken any laws. The only losers would be the club and the fans.

I really hope my perverse game of championship manager is not taking place in Lancashire as we speak.

good story but it's nonsense, the likes of david dunn and phil jones would not stand by and watch rover's be destroyed without saying a bad word about them

French Rover wrote:

Judge Nic Sanders wrote:
Which other players were not aboard Sunday's plane out to
pre - season training.
Come on Andy , do your research ,
we would all like to know.

it is reported that Robinson has gone with them to Austria in a 26 man group. Seems a bit odd that Robbo is there? All the 4 new signings are there so maybe you can work out the 26 from that like below:

Robbo, Bunn, Jake Kean, Hanley, Henley, Dann, Givet, Orr, Morris, Cotton, O'Connor, Pedersen, Marcus Olsson, Dunn, Goodwillie, Lowe, Murphy, Gomes, Blackman, Nunes, Rochina, Formica, Petrovic, Best, Vukevic, and Slew would be my guess at the 26.

Dont think that Linghanzi, Riberio or Myles Anderson will be there but would like the LET to confirm the squad that went please?

Reason why Robinson was on the Austrian trip was because Besiktas deal fell through and they signed McGregor from Rangers instead. I wonder whether it was money again?

Either way, looks like Robbo isnt on the exit list anymore at the moment. Shame, I wanted to see Bunn in the first team.

SadRover wrote:
And so it begins.

The "look we are signing players please renew your season tickets" ploy is finally revealed as it becomes clear that our modest additions to date will simply precede an exodus of biblical proportions.

As fans we are frustrated that the Inept One has been allowed to continue. Imagine how frustrating then that is for the first team, who see at first hand on a daily basis the complete scandal that Kean's continued tenure represents. Poor tactics, poor signings, poor off-field conduct, terrible results = new contract?!

Any senior player who has anything resembling a suitable alternative will be off in a flash. The money recouped will, as with the sales Kalanic, Jones and Samba simply disappear without trace. When the club bought Best they fell over themselves to tell the fans it was a £3M deal, I wonder if the same desire for transparency will apply to our summer sales.....I very much doubt it.....it will be undisclosed fees all the way with the club down playing the sums received.

The actions of Kean and Venky's get a lot of ridicule on here, yet what if their actions to date are deliberate and on strategy. Whilst this is nothing more than a fear of mine, consider for a second that you are charged with taking over the Club that Jack Built and then extracting from it every penny you could in as short a time as possible, and irrespective of the state the club is in at the end of the game. A sort of perverse version of championship manager. If that was your game then you could do a lot worse than mirror what has happened at our club to date. You could look to hang in the Premiership as long as you could whilst selling all of your best players. You might then, on relegation, look to sell all remaining valuable players, slash staff, cut wages and by doing so maximise the parachute payment and player sales monies that you can extract. This strategy will ensure further relegation with even more cost savings. When in the lower leagues and with the parachute money running out, you could look to sell major assets such as the Brockenhall Academy for housing on the justification that a League 1 or 2 club cannot sustain such an extensive academy. Throughout this period you would need to try to disguise your actual intentions by making a signing here or there, might use clever PR strategies like a complete shutdown of communication with the media and fans when things got so bad that sacking the manager became impossible to explain, and/or could pretend to be ill-informed, all to distract people from the real aim. At the same time you would need to appoint loyal henchmen, people with no sense of self-respect or honour, people willing to spout anything to try to cover up your real aim. You would have to show similar loyalties to these people, with contract extensions and promotions, otherwise your strategy might get ‘outed’.

When all that is done you would look to exit the club at the end of the game ‘admitting’ you are not cut out for football ownership and perhaps even try to spin the facts to claim a ‘loss’ given that the sale of the club will then be for significantly less than you paid for it, albeit conveniently ignoring all of the money you will have extracted from it during your tenure. By the end of a process like this you might have doubled, maybe tripled your investment and will not have broken any laws. The only losers would be the club and the fans.

I really hope my perverse game of championship manager is not taking place in Lancashire as we speak.

Unfortunately that is not a perverse view, imho, it is the facts about what is happening. You've put into words what I've been thinking and probably what most of us are thinking.
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I hope the BRAG report is sufficient evidence to stop this going any further...

I personally feel it is not the done thing to slag others off within the football community as what comes around tends to come around again.

The only slagging off I have heard beside Terry having a go at Ferdinand is Kean having a go at Sam but that was voyerism at its worst and Kean's mouth runs off all the time without his brain realising.

We now need to start getting defenders if we get cash from N'Zonzi and if this Silva player is good just pay the price it will be recovered as soon as we renter the billion pound Premier league again.

I just wonder if we do achieve promotion with or more likely without Kean will the Venkeys put the necessary wedge into the team to retain our status or will we be doomed to failure again due to lack of investment?
The fact is now is the time to get good quality young players in and make them play as an organised team the only problem is .............. yeah your right well maybe we will get a new one after the first few matches who knows.
.

SadRover wrote:
And so it begins.

The "look we are signing players please renew your season tickets" ploy is finally revealed as it becomes clear that our modest additions to date will simply precede an exodus of biblical proportions.

As fans we are frustrated that the Inept One has been allowed to continue. Imagine how frustrating then that is for the first team, who see at first hand on a daily basis the complete scandal that Kean's continued tenure represents. Poor tactics, poor signings, poor off-field conduct, terrible results = new contract?!

Any senior player who has anything resembling a suitable alternative will be off in a flash. The money recouped will, as with the sales Kalanic, Jones and Samba simply disappear without trace. When the club bought Best they fell over themselves to tell the fans it was a £3M deal, I wonder if the same desire for transparency will apply to our summer sales.....I very much doubt it.....it will be undisclosed fees all the way with the club down playing the sums received.

The actions of Kean and Venky's get a lot of ridicule on here, yet what if their actions to date are deliberate and on strategy. Whilst this is nothing more than a fear of mine, consider for a second that you are charged with taking over the Club that Jack Built and then extracting from it every penny you could in as short a time as possible, and irrespective of the state the club is in at the end of the game. A sort of perverse version of championship manager. If that was your game then you could do a lot worse than mirror what has happened at our club to date. You could look to hang in the Premiership as long as you could whilst selling all of your best players. You might then, on relegation, look to sell all remaining valuable players, slash staff, cut wages and by doing so maximise the parachute payment and player sales monies that you can extract. This strategy will ensure further relegation with even more cost savings. When in the lower leagues and with the parachute money running out, you could look to sell major assets such as the Brockenhall Academy for housing on the justification that a League 1 or 2 club cannot sustain such an extensive academy. Throughout this period you would need to try to disguise your actual intentions by making a signing here or there, might use clever PR strategies like a complete shutdown of communication with the media and fans when things got so bad that sacking the manager became impossible to explain, and/or could pretend to be ill-informed, all to distract people from the real aim. At the same time you would need to appoint loyal henchmen, people with no sense of self-respect or honour, people willing to spout anything to try to cover up your real aim. You would have to show similar loyalties to these people, with contract extensions and promotions, otherwise your strategy might get ‘outed’.

When all that is done you would look to exit the club at the end of the game ‘admitting’ you are not cut out for football ownership and perhaps even try to spin the facts to claim a ‘loss’ given that the sale of the club will then be for significantly less than you paid for it, albeit conveniently ignoring all of the money you will have extracted from it during your tenure. By the end of a process like this you might have doubled, maybe tripled your investment and will not have broken any laws. The only losers would be the club and the fans.

I really hope my perverse game of championship manager is not taking place in Lancashire as we speak.

How many times do you need telling the same thing, they don't own Brockhall, its is leased from the walker trust, so they can't sell it, FFS

givet82 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:

benal13 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:
From TribalFootball site:

"Tottenham winger David Bentley has expressed regret over the manner of his departure from Blackburn Rovers.

The midfielder is hoping for a fresh start under new manager Andre Villas-Boas.

He told the People: "I was gutted at the way I conducted myself when I left Blackburn, saying I wanted to leave. If I could take that back, I would. I'd apologise to the fans and John Williams, who was the chairman, for the way I left."

I wonder if its the opportunity of the fat pay deals he's regretting?

Maybe he wants back lol

maybe some of the players who have just left could spill the beans on the present goings on but sadly it seems they have all been paid to keep quiet

but why? I just don't get what ties them down THAT much. Money yes, but if you've gone and been gone for a while, there's little stop you "leaking" the truth.

All we get is Kean's new buds telling us what an amazing chap he is and how they couldn't wait to play for him!

The likes of John Williams and co. seem to get a lot of praise on here as do the Walkers Trust, yet not one of them have put their heads above the parapet and told the truth, and pound to a penny if Nzonzi goes, he will deny any altercation between him and the follicly challenged one.

WHY?!

These people owe us an explanation.

As Plato was quoted to have said:

"The price of apathy in public affairs, is to be ruled by evil men"

what a load of tosh whoever think's all these mouthy footballer's have paid off and everyone has kept qiuet is deluded.If something is going on do you not think the likes of john wiliams would have told the correct authorites, these conspiricy theories are the most ridiculous things i've ever heard.Your telling me for all the people that have crossed kean venky's not 1 of these people have accidently spoken out it's utter nonsense.Use your brain's Venky's are here for the long haul and have serious cash, they obviously trust kean(god know's why) so he will be here for a while until they see sense

never heard of a CONFIDENTIALITY CLAUSE givet 82?

benal13 wrote:

givet82 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:

benal13 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:
From TribalFootball site:

"Tottenham winger David Bentley has expressed regret over the manner of his departure from Blackburn Rovers.

The midfielder is hoping for a fresh start under new manager Andre Villas-Boas.

He told the People: "I was gutted at the way I conducted myself when I left Blackburn, saying I wanted to leave. If I could take that back, I would. I'd apologise to the fans and John Williams, who was the chairman, for the way I left."

I wonder if its the opportunity of the fat pay deals he's regretting?

Maybe he wants back lol

maybe some of the players who have just left could spill the beans on the present goings on but sadly it seems they have all been paid to keep quiet

but why? I just don't get what ties them down THAT much. Money yes, but if you've gone and been gone for a while, there's little stop you "leaking" the truth.

All we get is Kean's new buds telling us what an amazing chap he is and how they couldn't wait to play for him!

The likes of John Williams and co. seem to get a lot of praise on here as do the Walkers Trust, yet not one of them have put their heads above the parapet and told the truth, and pound to a penny if Nzonzi goes, he will deny any altercation between him and the follicly challenged one.

WHY?!

These people owe us an explanation.

As Plato was quoted to have said:

"The price of apathy in public affairs, is to be ruled by evil men"

what a load of tosh whoever think's all these mouthy footballer's have paid off and everyone has kept qiuet is deluded.If something is going on do you not think the likes of john wiliams would have told the correct authorites, these conspiricy theories are the most ridiculous things i've ever heard.Your telling me for all the people that have crossed kean venky's not 1 of these people have accidently spoken out it's utter nonsense.Use your brain's Venky's are here for the long haul and have serious cash, they obviously trust kean(god know's why) so he will be here for a while until they see sense

never heard of a CONFIDENTIALITY CLAUSE givet 82?

REALLY, what robert's salgado and kalanic been paid off aswel, confidentiality clause means nothing if you know wrong doing's which obviously they didn't as like you don't

blueblooded wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Judge Nic Sanders wrote:
Which other players were not aboard Sunday's plane out to
pre - season training.
Come on Andy , do your research ,
we would all like to know.

it is reported that Robinson has gone with them to Austria in a 26 man group. Seems a bit odd that Robbo is there? All the 4 new signings are there so maybe you can work out the 26 from that like below:

Robbo, Bunn, Jake Kean, Hanley, Henley, Dann, Givet, Orr, Morris, Cotton, O'Connor, Pedersen, Marcus Olsson, Dunn, Goodwillie, Lowe, Murphy, Gomes, Blackman, Nunes, Rochina, Formica, Petrovic, Best, Vukevic, and Slew would be my guess at the 26.

Dont think that Linghanzi, Riberio or Myles Anderson will be there but would like the LET to confirm the squad that went please?

Reason why Robinson was on the Austrian trip was because Besiktas deal fell through and they signed McGregor from Rangers instead. I wonder whether it was money again?

Either way, looks like Robbo isnt on the exit list anymore at the moment. Shame, I wanted to see Bunn in the first team.

So did I, statistically speaking Robbo was the worst keeper in the EPL last season, and by a long way as well.

givet82 wrote:

benal13 wrote:

givet82 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:

benal13 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:
From TribalFootball site:

"Tottenham winger David Bentley has expressed regret over the manner of his departure from Blackburn Rovers.

The midfielder is hoping for a fresh start under new manager Andre Villas-Boas.

He told the People: "I was gutted at the way I conducted myself when I left Blackburn, saying I wanted to leave. If I could take that back, I would. I'd apologise to the fans and John Williams, who was the chairman, for the way I left."

I wonder if its the opportunity of the fat pay deals he's regretting?

Maybe he wants back lol

maybe some of the players who have just left could spill the beans on the present goings on but sadly it seems they have all been paid to keep quiet

but why? I just don't get what ties them down THAT much. Money yes, but if you've gone and been gone for a while, there's little stop you "leaking" the truth.

All we get is Kean's new buds telling us what an amazing chap he is and how they couldn't wait to play for him!

The likes of John Williams and co. seem to get a lot of praise on here as do the Walkers Trust, yet not one of them have put their heads above the parapet and told the truth, and pound to a penny if Nzonzi goes, he will deny any altercation between him and the follicly challenged one.

WHY?!

These people owe us an explanation.

As Plato was quoted to have said:

"The price of apathy in public affairs, is to be ruled by evil men"

what a load of tosh whoever think's all these mouthy footballer's have paid off and everyone has kept qiuet is deluded.If something is going on do you not think the likes of john wiliams would have told the correct authorites, these conspiricy theories are the most ridiculous things i've ever heard.Your telling me for all the people that have crossed kean venky's not 1 of these people have accidently spoken out it's utter nonsense.Use your brain's Venky's are here for the long haul and have serious cash, they obviously trust kean(god know's why) so he will be here for a while until they see sense

never heard of a CONFIDENTIALITY CLAUSE givet 82?

REALLY, what robert's salgado and kalanic been paid off aswel, confidentiality clause means nothing if you know wrong doing's which obviously they didn't as like you don't

confidentiality clauses only mean something if you have signed one and it is common knowledge that a lot of footballers and managers do go down that path they bite there lip and take the money.

kean in

givet82 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:

benal13 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:
From TribalFootball site:

"Tottenham winger David Bentley has expressed regret over the manner of his departure from Blackburn Rovers.

The midfielder is hoping for a fresh start under new manager Andre Villas-Boas.

He told the People: "I was gutted at the way I conducted myself when I left Blackburn, saying I wanted to leave. If I could take that back, I would. I'd apologise to the fans and John Williams, who was the chairman, for the way I left."

I wonder if its the opportunity of the fat pay deals he's regretting?

Maybe he wants back lol

maybe some of the players who have just left could spill the beans on the present goings on but sadly it seems they have all been paid to keep quiet

but why? I just don't get what ties them down THAT much. Money yes, but if you've gone and been gone for a while, there's little stop you "leaking" the truth.

All we get is Kean's new buds telling us what an amazing chap he is and how they couldn't wait to play for him!

The likes of John Williams and co. seem to get a lot of praise on here as do the Walkers Trust, yet not one of them have put their heads above the parapet and told the truth, and pound to a penny if Nzonzi goes, he will deny any altercation between him and the follicly challenged one.

WHY?!

These people owe us an explanation.

As Plato was quoted to have said:

"The price of apathy in public affairs, is to be ruled by evil men"

what a load of tosh whoever think's all these mouthy footballer's have paid off and everyone has kept qiuet is deluded.If something is going on do you not think the likes of john wiliams would have told the correct authorites, these conspiricy theories are the most ridiculous things i've ever heard.Your telling me for all the people that have crossed kean venky's not 1 of these people have accidently spoken out it's utter nonsense.Use your brain's Venky's are here for the long haul and have serious cash, they obviously trust kean(god know's why) so he will be here for a while until they see sense

Venkys have "serious cash" - where is it then ?? They have been here for 18 months and have MADE net profits from EVERY transfer window and I will bet you £1,000 that they do so also in this transfer window.
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Also, you have you head stuck in the sand so far, you don't even KNOW who our owners are !
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As for saying that JW has not spilled the beans, how do you know ? - because someone has (prob JW or the other 2 directors that left at the same time).
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As for no proof out there - you convienently forget the internal Rovers memo leaked to Sporting intelligence a few months ago regarding the Formica deal - this document on its own highlighted numerous FA rule infringements. Also we know that at least 2 FA departments are currently investigating Rovers and had quite alot of documented evidance BEFORE the meeting with Rovers fans, so I would suggest that some people (likely JW or his fellow ex-directors, amoungst others HAVE been spilling the beans) - to the proper authurities.
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I can also tell you that numerous recently ex-Rovers players have given avadavits on what they know about the current situation at Rovers.
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No doubt you'll slag my article as its easy for you to do rather than get off your own ar$e, keep an open mind and go and find out for yourself what other people know - its not easy, but it is do-able.
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I presume you are just a happy clappy fan but honestly, you sound like Agnews right hand man - "theres nothing wrong down at Ewood", "nothing illegal/irregular has ever happened at the club", last season was "disapointing" but now the club has learnt all its lessons" bla bla bla.
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You are probably so naive you probably think that SK and SS are "best buddies" and are "pulling in the same dirrection" - they are not! - Singh was appointed AGAINST the advice of SK and SK/PA were apparently livid at his appointment, not least because Singh now reports directly to Mrs D instead of SK and SS does appear to hold proper power unlike his predicessor Paul Hunt.
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Whether you accept the facts or not, we are a club in turmoil, the club at war with a large proportion of its own customers, we are being investigated by the FA, our "owners/directors" are involved in an internal power struggle (see Kamys latest podcast) and the vast majority of our best players will be leaving during this transfer window.
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Still I'm sure that givet85 will put at positive spin on it all !

J.C - Rishton wrote:

givet82 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:

benal13 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:
From TribalFootball site:

"Tottenham winger David Bentley has expressed regret over the manner of his departure from Blackburn Rovers.

The midfielder is hoping for a fresh start under new manager Andre Villas-Boas.

He told the People: "I was gutted at the way I conducted myself when I left Blackburn, saying I wanted to leave. If I could take that back, I would. I'd apologise to the fans and John Williams, who was the chairman, for the way I left."

I wonder if its the opportunity of the fat pay deals he's regretting?

Maybe he wants back lol

maybe some of the players who have just left could spill the beans on the present goings on but sadly it seems they have all been paid to keep quiet

but why? I just don't get what ties them down THAT much. Money yes, but if you've gone and been gone for a while, there's little stop you "leaking" the truth.

All we get is Kean's new buds telling us what an amazing chap he is and how they couldn't wait to play for him!

The likes of John Williams and co. seem to get a lot of praise on here as do the Walkers Trust, yet not one of them have put their heads above the parapet and told the truth, and pound to a penny if Nzonzi goes, he will deny any altercation between him and the follicly challenged one.

WHY?!

These people owe us an explanation.

As Plato was quoted to have said:

"The price of apathy in public affairs, is to be ruled by evil men"

what a load of tosh whoever think's all these mouthy footballer's have paid off and everyone has kept qiuet is deluded.If something is going on do you not think the likes of john wiliams would have told the correct authorites, these conspiricy theories are the most ridiculous things i've ever heard.Your telling me for all the people that have crossed kean venky's not 1 of these people have accidently spoken out it's utter nonsense.Use your brain's Venky's are here for the long haul and have serious cash, they obviously trust kean(god know's why) so he will be here for a while until they see sense

Venkys have "serious cash" - where is it then ?? They have been here for 18 months and have MADE net profits from EVERY transfer window and I will bet you £1,000 that they do so also in this transfer window.
.
Also, you have you head stuck in the sand so far, you don't even KNOW who our owners are !
.
As for saying that JW has not spilled the beans, how do you know ? - because someone has (prob JW or the other 2 directors that left at the same time).
.
As for no proof out there - you convienently forget the internal Rovers memo leaked to Sporting intelligence a few months ago regarding the Formica deal - this document on its own highlighted numerous FA rule infringements. Also we know that at least 2 FA departments are currently investigating Rovers and had quite alot of documented evidance BEFORE the meeting with Rovers fans, so I would suggest that some people (likely JW or his fellow ex-directors, amoungst others HAVE been spilling the beans) - to the proper authurities.
.
I can also tell you that numerous recently ex-Rovers players have given avadavits on what they know about the current situation at Rovers.
.
No doubt you'll slag my article as its easy for you to do rather than get off your own ar$e, keep an open mind and go and find out for yourself what other people know - its not easy, but it is do-able.
.
I presume you are just a happy clappy fan but honestly, you sound like Agnews right hand man - "theres nothing wrong down at Ewood", "nothing illegal/irregular has ever happened at the club", last season was "disapointing" but now the club has learnt all its lessons" bla bla bla.
.
You are probably so naive you probably think that SK and SS are "best buddies" and are "pulling in the same dirrection" - they are not! - Singh was appointed AGAINST the advice of SK and SK/PA were apparently livid at his appointment, not least because Singh now reports directly to Mrs D instead of SK and SS does appear to hold proper power unlike his predicessor Paul Hunt.
.
Whether you accept the facts or not, we are a club in turmoil, the club at war with a large proportion of its own customers, we are being investigated by the FA, our "owners/directors" are involved in an internal power struggle (see Kamys latest podcast) and the vast majority of our best players will be leaving during this transfer window.
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Still I'm sure that givet85 will put at positive spin on it all !

I agree with you never in the history of this club or any other club I dare say as there been such a conflict of emotions going on concerning the supporters and the utter lies and turmoil and god knows what devious goings on by the parties involved,but oh no according to Agnew we have to wipe the slate clean,with them raking the money in and spending Bugger all on transfers trying to con us into thinking they are all of a sudden concerned with the situation and are doing their best to remedy it,they have destroyed a fantastic club and they are still at it.

His being left out has nothing to do with falling out with the evil one and thumping him then? He hasn't played since.

Does,nt matter who, or who is not on the plane to Austria what will matter is who will be at the club come kick off time at Ipswich and I fear quite a few will have gone by then.

Slipped up there has Robbo.All he is now is Blackburn Rovers' dodgy 'keeper.
He could have left and become Gordon Banks overnight.
Bit like Gerd Muller who went to Reading.

He has not been taken to Austria because by leaving him at home they will force him to ask for a move. More money for Venky's from a transfer fee.

juanbbien wrote:
The Rovers won't allow the player to leave on the cheap,no but they will replace him on the cheap if they have not already done so,this lot have made an absolute mint from selling players,and spent Bugger all,they are Bloody laughing at us,Kean and Venkys have taken the **** out of us.dont give them any more money the Bloody slime balls.

Spot on! And some simpletons are STILL buying ST's! Unbelievable! I bet these jokers never thought it would be this easy. I'ts like taking candy from a baby! They must be p****** themselves!

Kean OUT! Venky's OUT! Borat OUT! Anderson OUT! Agnew OUT! Orr OUT! Happy Clappers OUT! OUT! OUT!

didnt kean state that if he remained manager he could stop our players leaving?

Iiii1111 wrote:
One of the most overrated players ever....any offers over ten bob should be considered.

He,s big,he,s black,and he,s young that's the only reason he,s worth anything.It,s certainly not for his ability ,

FannyTickler wrote:
kean in

The only fanny you've tickled, is your sisters. You filthy swine!

I suppose Junior has stayed home to so he can decide if he wishes to accept Rovers contract offer,

Surprise surprise...our transfer business is almost complete on the buying side. Now its time to sell off some more of our assets and bring in another £15-20m. The sale of Nzonzi and Olsson, should help to boost the cash intake for the year to a nice round £30m. The only surprise is that a few thousand people have renewed their season tickets and therefore given their support to these clowns. All I would say is that, once the season begins (and with it further misery), I don't want to hear a single grumble from any of these people. Steve Kean the Pied Piper of Blackburn...

Rod of the Rovers wrote:
Surprise surprise...our transfer business is almost complete on the buying side. Now its time to sell off some more of our assets and bring in another £15-20m. The sale of Nzonzi and Olsson, should help to boost the cash intake for the year to a nice round £30m. The only surprise is that a few thousand people have renewed their season tickets and therefore given their support to these clowns. All I would say is that, once the season begins (and with it further misery), I don't want to hear a single grumble from any of these people. Steve Kean the Pied Piper of Blackburn...

That's it,aye.Let's hope Rovers go down,so we can have a big "i told you so" party.

Nzonzi out, Murphy in
Yakubu out, Gomes in
Hoillet out, Best in
Talent out, cash in
Fans out, Kean in

Is this supposed to be Venky's setting out their intentions?
Still get good odds for relegation at the moment.

Think some people are being a bit harsh to Nzonzi. Yes, he had plenty of poor games, but some great ones too, and he's still young. £5m is maybe right, £10m ambitious.

I can't blame him for leaving Rovers and trying to get as far away from Kean as possible. Let's face it, we wan't Kean as far away as possible!

Good luck to him. God help us!

Rovers' four summer sigings, Danny Murphy, Leon Best, Nuno Gomes and Fabio Nunes also make the trip
The travelling squad: Robinson, Givet, Dunn, Formica, Bunn, Petrovic, Dann, Orr, O'Connell, Rochina, Marcus Olsson, Blackman, Murphy, Goodwillie, Vukcevic, Hanley, Best, Kean, Lowe, Henley, Anderson, Morris, Nunes, Usai and Gomes.
Those players who were on international duty at the end of the season will return to first team training at a later date.
Anderson no way, Anderson, the Myles Anderson.... yer avin a laff !!!!
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Myles_Ander
son

I think we may be being a tad harsh on Nzonzi here. Sure, he hasn't had the best of seasons, but that's purely down to the manager. He just can't get the best out of the players. He hasn't got the sufficient man management skills required. That's why everyone worth their salt wants to leave. The only players that want to stay, are the youngsters trying to make a name for themselves, and the only players that want to come here, are the has-beens wanting a last big pay day, and the young foreign unknowns that want to come to England, hoping to strike it rich.

Riverside 7 wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote:

garyintandem wrote:
Nzonzi is a player of real talent and class. This just shows that Kean can't handle real talent and players that don't fit into his booze culture. Time to go Keano, time to go.

Totally agree - I can't beleive everyone posting that he's rubbish - class player who holds possesion - not kick and hoof, thats why clubs like Arsenal and Brussia Dortmund (German champions for last 2 years) are looking at him.
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As for £10m value - that sounds about right to me - if we get £8m in the end then thats just about right - bear in mind that J-Rod, a lower division 22/23 yrs old who couldnt make the England U21s last summer has just been sold for £7m.
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As for "buying big to get us back in the PL" - spent £3m, 1 old English has been, 1 Portguese has been and 2 Portugese never beens who will have never encountered anything like the English championship. Put that against the selling, Yak, Hoilett, Robinson, Nzonzi, Formica and Olson - all of our better players.
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Then you have Dann (they'll off load him for the money if they can), Givet, will leave if he dosent get his wage increase, Goodwillie, reports coming that Kean wants to off-load him (he never wanted Goodwillie in first place, he wanted Pavone), and Rochina was very unhappy with being on bench since Jan and could leave if he gets a decent offer from Spain.
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A strong team to chalenge, having lost 8 or 9 of our best players and replaced them with a mixed bag, oh and throw in the worst manager in the division and a club still at war with the majority of its supporters - promotion, hmm, I wouldnt put too much money on it !

3 weeks ago I posted that 13 players had asked to leave Ewood.

Yakubu has gone, Hoilett will go very soon.
They may soon be followed by Nzonzi, Formica, Givet, Dann, Robinson, Olsson, Rochina, Goodwillie.
Thats 10 players for a start, without the likes of Vucavic & Petrovic who again look like they will be frozen out next season.

Shebby Singh stated that Rovers were tying to sign all their new players before the start of pre-season training last week. This hasn't proved possible and they are still 'locked in negoations' to sign yet another Portuguese player Silva.

If he arrives that will be just 5 players in against a possible 10 - 13 players out.

Any fees recovered will therefore not be reinvested in the team - aka Samba last year.

For those supporters who are currently toying with the idea of buying a new season ticket - I would be very very careful as you may not recognise the team come 18th August.

most teams who get relegated lose most of there best players look at bolton they lost at least 10 cud be more now not really took any notice thats what u get when a team gets relegated so i cant see why u think its just us in that problem surely the team we field the coming season cant be as bad as last season