Blackburn Rovers braced for Phil Jones bids (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Im sure someone somewhere in the Rovers household said "we wont be a selling club"

It will show the ambitions of the chicken people if they sell the clubs top players

And sign Ben'canthitabarndoor
'jani to a new contract

Laughable if this is to happen

Wouldn't it be great if we could hold on to Jones and build up the strongest defence in the Premier league? There would be a real chance of Europe if we could.

This basically sounds like the Telegraph is giving Jones' suitors a starting figure to bid at. Looks like we will be losing him then. The most unfortunate thing is we certainly won't be able to replace Jones, it's frightening how good he will be in 5 years

Yeah but what about all the other clubs worried about losing their best talent to the Rovers.

Now that we have vast wealth at our disposal, a rational and experienced administration and an unrivalled depth and breadth of footballing success and know-how in Kean and Jensen we wil be able to cherry pick whoever we want to replace Jones. Apparently Mrs. Desai has here eye on Gianfranco Zola for the CB role.

I think we all agree that it's inevitable that we will lose him- whether it's this summer, January or next summer.... He is, and will be, THAT good!

What is absolutely vital is that whatever contract is greed with the sale is that a generous sell-on clause is included....

How naive to think we can hold on to players of Jones' quality - and that not doing so smacks of lack of ambition - its simple reality - we couldn't do it with Jack's cash as Premiership Champions - we are simply not a big glamourous club and money won't change that.

jogalot wrote:
Wouldn't it be great if we could hold on to Jones and build up the strongest defence in the Premier league? There would be a real chance of Europe if we could.

It all rests with Venkys and their ambitions for Rovers,they did state we are not a selling club,If they are true to their word to get a European slot we need to build from our solid defence.
With Phil Jones on a five yr contract it is up to Venkys and BRFC to show the supporters that we will hold on to our quality players and add to it rather than deplete the fine squad we are building.
ARTE ET LABORE

keith parkinson wrote:
How naive to think we can hold on to players of Jones' quality - and that not doing so smacks of lack of ambition - its simple reality - we couldn't do it with Jack's cash as Premiership Champions - we are simply not a big glamourous club and money won't change that.

That's right Keith. Some things are just fixed in stone. You have to accept your lot in life and just get on with it. We're all going to die so why bother?

I sometimes wonder what Jack was thinking putting all that money into the club. And as for India why would they bother trying to become an economic super-power? They should have been happy being a colony, after all they have the cast system there don't they?

Or are we saying that all this talk about cups and Europe is just nonsense?

Is it just me or is anyone not infuriated by the lack of comment from Orville the Duck that is fatface Steve Kean or Venky's issuing a 'hands off' warning? They quick to talk rubbish about giving our OAP's new contracts but nothing telling the world to keep their grubby paws off...unless of course they planning to sell...worrying news today is we are looking to sell and replace Jones with the legend that is...Gabriel Tamas!
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I'll tell you for free if we sell Jones for less that £20mil and don't replace him with a top class defender I will personally goto Indian and stick a chicken up the Rao's backside providing Steve Kean moves his fat face out of the way

stu82 wrote:
Im sure someone somewhere in the Rovers household said "we wont be a selling club"

It will show the ambitions of the chicken people if they sell the clubs top players

And sign Ben'canthitabarndoor

'jani to a new contract

Laughable if this is to happen

you are a pr@@k.
rovers have no choice but to sell him if he says he wants to go. Nothing to do with Venkys ambitions.

What they meant by wont be a selling club, is that we dont have to sell to keep afloat. If the player wants to stay we can afford to keep him and not go into debt.

Grow up and get a life

All that we can hope is that jones has the passion for rovers as a fan and will stay to try and help the club achieve succsess and not go looking for it at other clubs.

keith parkinson wrote:
How naive to think we can hold on to players of Jones' quality - and that not doing so smacks of lack of ambition - its simple reality - we couldn't do it with Jack's cash as Premiership Champions - we are simply not a big glamourous club and money won't change that.

Spot on what we must ensure we use the money we get well to build a better all round side.harder said than done,have we got the right men in place to do that I'm not sure we have.Look at Kenny straight in and get in first make a statement of intent that Liverpool mean buisness,what do Rovers do give Benjani a contract.not quite the same is it.

Being realistic if rumours are to be believed we are gonna get between £5 Million and £10 Million from Venkys for squad improvements. However they have also illegially said that any money we generate from sales will go straight into the transfer budget.
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Now Phil Jones is a good player, but is he really that good that we could turn £20 million down? It is well publicised that Jones was well behind other players in the pecking order in our academy and was not seen by anyone bar Sam Allardyce that he could suddenly become a hot property in the Premiership. Gavin Gunning for instance was always regarded as the next top player to make the grade at Rovers after going through the same crop of players as Jones and was always ahead of Jones.
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We have to ask ourselves is Jones a good player in a really poor squad and would he .
be very average in a good squad?
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Jones has potential to be great, but at this point of his career thats all it is POTENTIAL, You could buy 2 or 3 World class players with £20 million who are proven and have a much better CV than Jones. It appears its silly season for young players at the moment as sson as a player breaks into anyone's first team under the age of 20 the stupid fee's are being quoted"
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Don't get me wrong i'd love Jones to stay but a transfer budget of £30 million from his sale appears more appealing to me if the money is spent correctly, we could bring in 4 top players and be a better team for it. I have to take my blue n white glasses off to think about this rationally, So many young players in the past have been hyped up, made big money moves and fallen flat on their faces and never realised their potential, Jeffers and Pennant both come to mind and closer to home, David Dunn was supposed to be the next best thing and was brinking on the England team. £20 Million is not to be sniffed at easily
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If Gunning was rated higher but aint getting a look it begs to differ how good Jones really is, and if all the hype is down to the fact we have been so poor this year that he has been a shining light from a bad bunch.
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We all want our best players to stay and more quality to be added, but you don't have to be a world beater at present to be considered one of our best players, the squad is poor.
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If you look at the £1 million we spent on Rochina who has potentially a big future you could see how a £20 million offer would be appealing

No matter what the ambition of Venky stopping a player from moving, should he wish to go is nigh on impossible.

Phil Jones should remain at BRFC & help to build a stability in this new era. His price is only going to rise(although his contract will be winding down) & the so called bigger clubs will still be sniffing around anyhow.

If Phil Jones is as good as is being said then what is the issue spending another year down at Ewood ?

A true blue through & through it is said about he then we will see ?

Should Venky wish to cash in then that's another story ? No doubt the likes of Cappelo will be stating you need to be at a big club for improved development etc ?

Should Phil Jones leave so soon then I will be massively disappointed which ever scenario plays itself out.

Here is hoping he wears the B&W shirt 2011/2012 ?

Arte et labore

glen9mullan wrote:
Being realistic if rumours are to be believed we are gonna get between £5 Million and £10 Million from Venkys for squad improvements. However they have also illegially said that any money we generate from sales will go straight into the transfer budget.
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Now Phil Jones is a good player, but is he really that good that we could turn £20 million down? It is well publicised that Jones was well behind other players in the pecking order in our academy and was not seen by anyone bar Sam Allardyce that he could suddenly become a hot property in the Premiership. Gavin Gunning for instance was always regarded as the next top player to make the grade at Rovers after going through the same crop of players as Jones and was always ahead of Jones.
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We have to ask ourselves is Jones a good player in a really poor squad and would he .
be very average in a good squad?
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Jones has potential to be great, but at this point of his career thats all it is POTENTIAL, You could buy 2 or 3 World class players with £20 million who are proven and have a much better CV than Jones. It appears its silly season for young players at the moment as sson as a player breaks into anyone's first team under the age of 20 the stupid fee's are being quoted"
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Don't get me wrong i'd love Jones to stay but a transfer budget of £30 million from his sale appears more appealing to me if the money is spent correctly, we could bring in 4 top players and be a better team for it. I have to take my blue n white glasses off to think about this rationally, So many young players in the past have been hyped up, made big money moves and fallen flat on their faces and never realised their potential, Jeffers and Pennant both come to mind and closer to home, David Dunn was supposed to be the next best thing and was brinking on the England team. £20 Million is not to be sniffed at easily
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If Gunning was rated higher but aint getting a look it begs to differ how good Jones really is, and if all the hype is down to the fact we have been so poor this year that he has been a shining light from a bad bunch.
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We all want our best players to stay and more quality to be added, but you don't have to be a world beater at present to be considered one of our best players, the squad is poor.
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If you look at the £1 million we spent on Rochina who has potentially a big future you could see how a £20 million offer would be appealing

To value Phil Jones you look at the going rate for good central defenders: say, £6 million. Double it 'cos he is English. Add another (say £6 - 8 million cos he is young. If clubs like Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal, Man City or Liverpool are in the market add £x million premium. And let the bidding commence.

The guy is worth 20 million pounds minimum in today's market. They way I look at it is Arsene Wenger paid £9 million for Laurent Koscielny last summer - a player 5 years older than Jones who had never done anything in the Premiership and has proven himself to be distinctly average. Liverpool paid £18 mill for a right back in Glenn Johnson and Chelsea paid £25 mill for David Luiz. Both of these players are mid-twenties and certainly could not be considered twice as good as Jones. Don't even get me started on Joleon Lescott. So these clubs have got the wonga - if they rate Jones as highly as Rovers do they best get the cash out and stop putting in insulting offers like £8 mill (I am talking about you, Wenger!!!).

Once again why is it all so silent . Why haven't the club come out and said " not for sale " , why haven't the players come out and said " I'm happy at rovers , and as long as they want me I'm happy to stay " . Come on everybody it's that easy !!!!! Give us a reason to believe !!!!

The chances of Jones being a Rovers player at the start of next season, are slim. Unless Venky's get rid of Kean, and replace him with a top manager, which will show the players that they mean business, and intend to fulfill their promises of making Rovers a top six club.
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If the players can't see the club matching their own ambitions, then they will leave, it's as simple as that.
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The club keeps going on about how there are 'substantial funds' available, they need to start proving it, or the bigger clubs will start to cherry pick our best players. They've talked the talk, now it's time to walk the walk.

Stone Island wrote:
The chances of Jones being a Rovers player at the start of next season, are slim. Unless Venky's get rid of Kean, and replace him with a top manager, which will show the players that they mean business, and intend to fulfill their promises of making Rovers a top six club.
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If the players can't see the club matching their own ambitions, then they will leave, it's as simple as that.
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The club keeps going on about how there are 'substantial funds' available, they need to start proving it, or the bigger clubs will start to cherry pick our best players. They've talked the talk, now it's time to walk the walk.

Agreed. Unfortunately the talk they talk isn't all that great. They don't say the right things at the right time, for example as others have said, they should be saying 'Hands off Jones, he's going nowhere'.
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I'll forgive all the mixed media messages if they start proving it by getting a good player in who is a definite improvement on what we've got not just another 'squad player'.

Another issue if Jones is sold, is the impact that would have on the likes of Junior signing a new contract. Would Junior see the sale as a lack of ambition and decide to move on?
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The talk is of an exciting young squad, it'll not be the case if we sell. Jones needs to stay another year at least.

BlueSkies wrote:
Another issue if Jones is sold, is the impact that would have on the likes of Junior signing a new contract. Would Junior see the sale as a lack of ambition and decide to move on?
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The talk is of an exciting young squad, it'll not be the case if we sell. Jones needs to stay another year at least.

Very good comment. The one thing all Rovers fans have to be happy about is the exciting prospect of improving on an already good squad - the reason for it being so good being the young players. Sell Jones and it could be the start of a slippery slide for the others too. After all why do you think they hang on so long to sign new contracts? They're not too sure about what's in store.

Roverlad wrote:
Once again why is it all so silent . Why haven't the club come out and said " not for sale " , why haven't the players come out and said " I'm happy at rovers , and as long as they want me I'm happy to stay " . Come on everybody it's that easy !!!!! Give us a reason to believe !!!!

are u stupid??
a) because at the moment its all just paper talk
b)because no matter what rovers say, its all down to the player. You would be the first to call rovers if they had said he wasnt going but then he wanted to go so they sold him
c)no player anywhere ever says they are definatly not going because they wait to see what they are offered, everyone has a price.
this will drag on all summer, get used to it

How can the Club deny something before it happens? There has been no bid for Jones - only a lot of speculation and paper-talk of which we will all be thoroughly sick before the new season starts.

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If there is a bid then the Club's owners will consult with the manager and, possibly, the player and a decision will be made.

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Some people who post on here seem to want to propagate the idea that the squad would feel happier with a more experienced manager.

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It was clear to anyone who watched the last ten games of the season that there is great togetherness at the Club and that the players support the manager 100%. The players referred to this great team spirit on several occasions.

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I suggest that some people stop agitating and get behind the Club instead of sniping at it constantly.

I would love to keep him at the club, but the satisfaction of us getting 20m for him and then the future satisfaction of our junior being England captain would be great. Big ambitions for a young player might be too good to refuse, but within the next 5, he will come back to the rovers fighting for a Champions League place. COYB.

bluenwhite wrote:

stu82 wrote: Im sure someone somewhere in the Rovers household said "we wont be a selling club" It will show the ambitions of the chicken people if they sell the clubs top players And sign Ben'canthitabarndoor 'jani to a new contract Laughable if this is to happen

you are a pr@@k. rovers have no choice but to sell him if he says he wants to go. Nothing to do with Venkys ambitions. What they meant by wont be a selling club, is that we dont have to sell to keep afloat. If the player wants to stay we can afford to keep him and not go into debt. Grow up and get a life

Haha who's the pr@@k, keyboard warrior dose it make you feel big and hard fighting behind your screen ya little p*ff, kids like you make the rest of us detest supporting the same team as a chap such as yourself, now on the other hand have a think on when you talk to another guy in the school playground like this just how much of a slap your gonna get...lol

bluenwhite wrote:

Roverlad wrote:
Once again why is it all so silent . Why haven't the club come out and said " not for sale " , why haven't the players come out and said " I'm happy at rovers , and as long as they want me I'm happy to stay " . Come on everybody it's that easy !!!!! Give us a reason to believe !!!!

are u stupid??
a) because at the moment its all just paper talk
b)because no matter what rovers say, its all down to the player. You would be the first to call rovers if they had said he wasnt going but then he wanted to go so they sold him
c)no player anywhere ever says they are definatly not going because they wait to see what they are offered, everyone has a price.
this will drag on all summer, get used to it

Yes clearly I'm stupid for expecting our club to show it's ambition and intent . I mean what type of message would we be sending by standing firm and letting all the other clubs we are not selling our best players . What type of message are we sending to our other players who haven't decided their future yet , by stating no matter what we are improving our team/squad and this is the place to be ! God I wish I wasn't so stupid for having a love of the Rovers and wanting us to do well . I know why don't we just sell all our best players for a pittance and accept it after all that's what were used to . Duhhhh

keith parkinson wrote:
How naive to think we can hold on to players of Jones' quality - and that not doing so smacks of lack of ambition - its simple reality - we couldn't do it with Jack's cash as Premiership Champions - we are simply not a big glamourous club and money won't change that.

It is not naive at all to think that we can hold on to Jones. The guy has not indicated that he wants a move. But, it is, like it was stated in some of the above posts, all up to Venkys and their ambitions for the club. The obviously have the money, but are they willing to invest what it takes to show players like Jones and Samba that we are doing what we can to become a top 6 club? This is the ultimate test for Venkys. If they sell Jones, nobody is ever going to believe that they are truly in this to make Blackburn a top 6 club. Where is the 'hands off' warning to other clubs? Why do we have a manager who says that 'he will eventually move on'? What kind of attitude is this? It is certainly not an attitude that is going to build a top 6 side. This is our main problem right now, we don't have a manger/owners who show the right attitude. Start believing in what you have been saying and back up all your fancy words and statements with actions. Sell Jones and you are taking away the foundation of what you are trying to build!!!!!

Raf_of_the_Rovers wrote:
Is it just me or is anyone not infuriated by the lack of comment from Orville the Duck that is fatface Steve Kean or Venky's issuing a 'hands off' warning? They quick to talk rubbish about giving our OAP's new contracts but nothing telling the world to keep their grubby paws off...unless of course they planning to sell...worrying news today is we are looking to sell and replace Jones with the legend that is...Gabriel Tamas!
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I'll tell you for free if we sell Jones for less that £20mil and don't replace him with a top class defender I will personally goto Indian and stick a chicken up the Rao's backside providing Steve Kean moves his fat face out of the way

Yes, it's extremely infuriating that Kean/Venkys cannot issue a 'hands off' warning. They have not done anything yet to back up what they have said about their plans for the club. 'We want to keep the young talent at the club' they said, well then they should give a statement as soon as possible saying that Phil Jones is not for sale!!! The attitude that Kean is displaying when he says that 'he will eventually move on' makes me furious. Is he really that spineless. We are not as big and glamorous as the big 4 clubs, but what we lack there we can make up for with showing that we have the money and ambition. Resigning Benjani and trying to sign Santa Cruz and Mame Diouf is sending out totally wrong signals. We need to buy quality up front, for example Sturridge or Defoe, and ship out strikers who don't score goals.
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What happened to the very healthy summer budget? Is Kean going to spend it when all the other clubs have made their transfers, and all the quality players who were available have signed for other clubs?

Do you fancy yourself as some kind of Auctioner Andy Cryer .Why don't you clear off and write some about other topic rather than keep trotting out the Phil Jones story .Hope you're not a Dingle trying to unsetle Rovers star players .

I don't see why our manager or our owners can't say "Phil Jones is NOT for sale this year - at any price.
Just because we havent had an official offer - so what - that dosent stop them saying that to the big 4 so the understand the situation - even if Jones wants to go - he signed a 5 year contact and we NEED at least 1 more season out of him - if he goes then the rest of the youngsters - Hoilett especially - could follow.

The boys head has been turned and the club will sell to the highest bidder. Give you two names to think about Adrian Mutu and Kaka.

Not a selling club? If any of you grintwums believe the venkys you deserve what you get! Your so-called 'best' players will be queueing up to go!

PALADIN:Forget Defoe he's going backwards,Hoillet will be better than him.

Roverlad wrote:

bluenwhite wrote:

Roverlad wrote:
Once again why is it all so silent . Why haven't the club come out and said " not for sale " , why haven't the players come out and said " I'm happy at rovers , and as long as they want me I'm happy to stay " . Come on everybody it's that easy !!!!! Give us a reason to believe !!!!

are u stupid??
a) because at the moment its all just paper talk
b)because no matter what rovers say, its all down to the player. You would be the first to call rovers if they had said he wasnt going but then he wanted to go so they sold him
c)no player anywhere ever says they are definatly not going because they wait to see what they are offered, everyone has a price.
this will drag on all summer, get used to it

Yes clearly I'm stupid for expecting our club to show it's ambition and intent . I mean what type of message would we be sending by standing firm and letting all the other clubs we are not selling our best players . What type of message are we sending to our other players who haven't decided their future yet , by stating no matter what we are improving our team/squad and this is the place to be ! God I wish I wasn't so stupid for having a love of the Rovers and wanting us to do well . I know why don't we just sell all our best players for a pittance and accept it after all that's what were used to . Duhhhh

pr@ck. thats how it is. get used to it.

bluenwhite wrote:

Roverlad wrote:

bluenwhite wrote:

Roverlad wrote:
Once again why is it all so silent . Why haven't the club come out and said " not for sale " , why haven't the players come out and said " I'm happy at rovers , and as long as they want me I'm happy to stay " . Come on everybody it's that easy !!!!! Give us a reason to believe !!!!

are u stupid??
a) because at the moment its all just paper talk
b)because no matter what rovers say, its all down to the player. You would be the first to call rovers if they had said he wasnt going but then he wanted to go so they sold him
c)no player anywhere ever says they are definatly not going because they wait to see what they are offered, everyone has a price.
this will drag on all summer, get used to it

Yes clearly I'm stupid for expecting our club to show it's ambition and intent . I mean what type of message would we be sending by standing firm and letting all the other clubs we are not selling our best players . What type of message are we sending to our other players who haven't decided their future yet , by stating no matter what we are improving our team/squad and this is the place to be ! God I wish I wasn't so stupid for having a love of the Rovers and wanting us to do well . I know why don't we just sell all our best players for a pittance and accept it after all that's what were used to . Duhhhh

pr@ck. thats how it is. get used to it.

The only **** on here is you ! It's a forum for discussions and others points of view . It's funny most other people agree with me in the club being too quite in not saying " not for sale " . What's wrong , if people don't agree with you , do you get all upset . Ahhhhhh . Are you used to getting your own way . Dick head !!!

The guy is a fooking tosser man don't bite at his idiot way of life, a nice chap will come along one day and he'll say the wrong thing and will be taught a really nice lesson on manners and other peoples opinions, and also learn that he's not always right the guy has issues with his child hood and tries to be the big man behind the screen


the little guy is a freak.....;^)

bluenwhite wrote:

Roverlad wrote:

bluenwhite wrote:

Roverlad wrote: Once again why is it all so silent . Why haven't the club come out and said " not for sale " , why haven't the players come out and said " I'm happy at rovers , and as long as they want me I'm happy to stay " . Come on everybody it's that easy !!!!! Give us a reason to believe !!!!

are u stupid?? a) because at the moment its all just paper talk b)because no matter what rovers say, its all down to the player. You would be the first to call rovers if they had said he wasnt going but then he wanted to go so they sold him c)no player anywhere ever says they are definatly not going because they wait to see what they are offered, everyone has a price. this will drag on all summer, get used to it

Yes clearly I'm stupid for expecting our club to show it's ambition and intent . I mean what type of message would we be sending by standing firm and letting all the other clubs we are not selling our best players . What type of message are we sending to our other players who haven't decided their future yet , by stating no matter what we are improving our team/squad and this is the place to be ! God I wish I wasn't so stupid for having a love of the Rovers and wanting us to do well . I know why don't we just sell all our best players for a pittance and accept it after all that's what were used to . Duhhhh

pr@ck. thats how it is. get used to it.

Bluenwhite really is prepubescant t!t, just ignore him and he might just get bored and play with his dolls or Lego or something instead...

bluenwhite wrote:

stu82 wrote:
Im sure someone somewhere in the Rovers household said "we wont be a selling club"

It will show the ambitions of the chicken people if they sell the clubs top players

And sign Ben'canthitabarndoor


'jani to a new contract

Laughable if this is to happen

you are a pr@@k.
rovers have no choice but to sell him if he says he wants to go. Nothing to do with Venkys ambitions.

What they meant by wont be a selling club, is that we dont have to sell to keep afloat. If the player wants to stay we can afford to keep him and not go into debt.

Grow up and get a life

When did he say he wanted to go? and if he is unhappy maybe that will teach him not to sign a 5 year deal. Seems like you should grow up you pr@@k

In simple terms, if Jones does not want to go, he will not go.
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Simple equation, really.

jeppo wrote:
In simple terms, if Jones does not want to go, he will not go.
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Simple equation, really.

i think that might actually be pretty much it. there probably is a price where it would be bonkers not to sell, but up to that point, i don't see the club making the sale at this point.
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but for those saying it shows a lack of ambition, i think that's wrong. let's just say that we sell jones for around the £20m mark, bring another decent defender in for about £5m, and elevate hanley or someone else from the ranks. we then use the remaining £15m for a decent quality striker that nets 15 goals next season. i think we would be a much better side for it.
conversely, imagine we keep hold of jones and he does a cruciate in the first game, is out for the season and never quite recovers the same form... not to great a decision to have turned down the £20m then
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it's about looking at the bigger picture, and that is - how good are rovers as a squad and therefore how competitivly will we be in the prem.
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i also don't agree that he is more likely to leave with kean in charge. there is no evidence whatsoever to back that up, and plenty to actually refute it.
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as for jones leaving sparking and exodus of other young stars, i also don't think one naturally follows the other. it might be a factor in a decision made by hoilett and his advisors, but it will only be one issue - not a game changer.

jeppo wrote:
In simple terms, if Jones does not want to go, he will not go.
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Simple equation, really.

Sharp Jeppo & on the money :)

All is well Mr Jeppo ?

Arte et labore

Now if I were a cynical old so and so... and I was working out how much Rovers might be worth last summer ... I would know that theres at least 3 or 4 players who combined sale would double my investment and I could always go down the line of their was nothing we could do .... if they wanted to go! etc etc

Time will tell, but if they do sell 20 - 30 millions of talent.... lets just see how much they spend.

OnePostThenTheOther wrote:
Yeah but what about all the other clubs worried about losing their best talent to the Rovers.

Now that we have vast wealth at our disposal, a rational and experienced administration and an unrivalled depth and breadth of footballing success and know-how in Kean and Jensen we wil be able to cherry pick whoever we want to replace Jones. Apparently Mrs. Desai has here eye on Gianfranco Zola for the CB role.

No body from Venkys should be allowed to comment on here, even under an assumed name. Either that or you need to stop smokin' dat sh*t