Former Blackburn Rovers striker Sutton admits to England regret (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Sutton and Shearer, they were good times for us.

At least to the day when I die i'll always be able say I watch my club win the premiership!

People who support Utd and Liverpool cant really say this, as there not proper clubs.

How can people who live in Blackburn support other teams? How can you have passion for something that isnt in you!

Up the rovers!

who was the other rovers player under hughes who would not play for england

I read this the other day, I think this is slightly different for Chris , As he chose not to play for the England 'B' team, And thus never pulled on a England shirt again , But at no point was the, Then England captain banging Chris's wife, So Wayne Bridge's reason for not playing for England differs......

BENTLY WAS THE OTHER PLAYER

superheavy wrote:
BENTLY WAS THE OTHER PLAYER

Bentley played for England at U21 level against Italy on 24 March 2007. In fact he was the first English player to score a goal at the New Wembley Stadium in a proper match.

Chris certainly had the backing of Rovers fans when he made his decision to protest Hoddle's insult. Not sure what Hoddle had against him maybe he thought Sutton sinned in a past life or something.

Indeed Sutton responded shortly afterwards with 3 goals in a 5-3 February 1998 win over Leicester City. If you recall that game it was 5-0 at one stage and it was a concern they might squander the whole lead. That's how unstable things looked whenever Fettis was in goal.

England caps are worth less and less now anyway. I wouldn't be too devastated in Sutton's position. Hopefully he can prove himself to be a better manager than Hoddle ever was.

what was the problem with bently then when as reported in this newspaper he choose not to play for england because it was well reported at the time that made two rovers players who let ther country down

Didn't Bentley refuse to play for the under 21's because he said he was too tired? I remember Stuart Pearce publicly criticising him and then having to do a uturn when Bentley was getting stick from all corners.

heres to good old chris sutton, part of our premiership winning team, rafa benitez, u will never win the premiership with liverpool, something blacburn have won, so shove that up your merseyside! barcelona are ten times better than liverpool so I wouldn't compare his stupid team that are underachieving to a team that has, far less finances and is doing very well for the finances that we have! keep it up Rovers!!!! pipe down fat waiter! up the S&S and Peace, Lover & Rovers

Vinjay wrote:
Chris certainly had the backing of Rovers fans when he made his decision to protest Hoddle's insult. Not sure what Hoddle had against him maybe he thought Sutton sinned in a past life or something.

Indeed Sutton responded shortly afterwards with 3 goals in a 5-3 February 1998 win over Leicester City. If you recall that game it was 5-0 at one stage and it was a concern they might squander the whole lead. That's how unstable things looked whenever Fettis was in goal.

England caps are worth less and less now anyway. I wouldn't be too devastated in Sutton's position. Hopefully he can prove himself to be a better manager than Hoddle ever was.

Vinjay - I am not sure what your point on the other page after my post was trying to say?
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If I won the Euro lottery say £120m and decided to put £50m into Rovers. The truth is I would never expect to see that money again. It would just be a fun ride!
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Likewise the Walker Trust can choose which way to go at present but they will never get back the £150m+ invested in Rovers since 1991. Options could be -
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1) They can hold out for a sale fee but if the buyers are borrowing to pay say £50m then it is not in Rovers interest if that debt and interest due is transferred to the club like the Glazers have done at Man Utd.
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2) If they gave the club away at a cheap price then you would have to beware the motives of a buyer that they are not an asset stripper (Portsmouth) or Day dreamer (Leeds) who would put the club into administration or worse.
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3) Perhaps the best option would for the Trust to work in the spirit of Jack Walker by having a share issue and let those funds be available for team investment. The Walker trust could keep a 50% share in the club to monitor the new owners.
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4) They could give / sell cheaply some shares to Season Ticket Holders / Fans and gradually hand over the club that way so that the future of the club is in safe hands.
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In the end it depends whether they want to make a cold financial business decision or let some emotion of what Jack Walker achieved with the club effect the way they relinquish control of the club. But with Flybee likely to float for £300m etc at some point they do have the option to pass the club on in good health.
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irie-rover wrote:
heres to good old chris sutton, part of our premiership winning team, rafa benitez, u will never win the premiership with liverpool, something blacburn have won, so shove that up your merseyside! barcelona are ten times better than liverpool so I wouldn't compare his stupid team that are underachieving to a team that has, far less finances and is doing very well for the finances that we have! keep it up Rovers!!!! pipe down fat waiter! up the S&S and Peace, Lover & Rovers

Thats the spirit Irie-rover :)

Arte et labore

Morst wrote:

Vinjay wrote:
Chris certainly had the backing of Rovers fans when he made his decision to protest Hoddle's insult. Not sure what Hoddle had against him maybe he thought Sutton sinned in a past life or something.

Indeed Sutton responded shortly afterwards with 3 goals in a 5-3 February 1998 win over Leicester City. If you recall that game it was 5-0 at one stage and it was a concern they might squander the whole lead. That's how unstable things looked whenever Fettis was in goal.

England caps are worth less and less now anyway. I wouldn't be too devastated in Sutton's position. Hopefully he can prove himself to be a better manager than Hoddle ever was.

Vinjay - I am not sure what your point on the other page after my post was trying to say?
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If I won the Euro lottery say £120m and decided to put £50m into Rovers. The truth is I would never expect to see that money again. It would just be a fun ride!
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Likewise the Walker Trust can choose which way to go at present but they will never get back the £150m+ invested in Rovers since 1991. Options could be -
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1) They can hold out for a sale fee but if the buyers are borrowing to pay say £50m then it is not in Rovers interest if that debt and interest due is transferred to the club like the Glazers have done at Man Utd.
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2) If they gave the club away at a cheap price then you would have to beware the motives of a buyer that they are not an asset stripper (Portsmouth) or Day dreamer (Leeds) who would put the club into administration or worse.
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3) Perhaps the best option would for the Trust to work in the spirit of Jack Walker by having a share issue and let those funds be available for team investment. The Walker trust could keep a 50% share in the club to monitor the new owners.
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4) They could give / sell cheaply some shares to Season Ticket Holders / Fans and gradually hand over the club that way so that the future of the club is in safe hands.
.
In the end it depends whether they want to make a cold financial business decision or let some emotion of what Jack Walker achieved with the club effect the way they relinquish control of the club. But with Flybee likely to float for £300m etc at some point they do have the option to pass the club on in good health.
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Bloody hell Mr Morst a cracking post on a Sunday :)

Back to what you do best Morst facts that even I can understand but to lighten the mood,could you see Rovers run by season ticket holders and poster on this site.Chaos,would we keep JW and the big descision,would we keep Sam?
Those who want to keep him line up behind Jeppo,those who want to sack him line up behind Morst,ready FIGHT!!

eddie the eagle wrote:
Back to what you do best Morst facts that even I can understand but to lighten the mood,could you see Rovers run by season ticket holders and poster on this site.Chaos,would we keep JW and the big descision,would we keep Sam?
Those who want to keep him line up behind Jeppo,those who want to sack him line up behind Morst,ready FIGHT!!

I would have to pay to have Jeppo quietly dealt with I admit - if he did not get me first - lol (Cricket bats at dawn I think!)
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We would have some fun though what Eddie!
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March 28th - Dingle Down Day!

ha ha, comments appreciated gents, although I'm a bit surprised at you for even hinting that anyone could sack Sam, Eddie!!
Anyhow, back to the matter in hand. I've got a theory....When it comes to international level, there are certain players that simply are not going to cut it (in the eyes of the experts) at that level, so, no matter how well they do at club level, they will not be selected. The management may take them along in squad training to double check, and also to appease the media, but nontheless, they will not play in the big games. I could try to highlight such as Howard Kendall, Steve Bruce etc in this, but my real point relates to Chris Sutton, Wayne Bridge and now our own Paul Robinson. The management simply do not feel these players are up to it. Therefore in the case of Sutton and Bridge (Carragher and Scholes), the player has "retired from International Football", simply to save the humiliation at not being picked in the team.
There you go!!

jeppo wrote:
ha ha, comments appreciated gents, although I'm a bit surprised at you for even hinting that anyone could sack Sam, Eddie!! Anyhow, back to the matter in hand. I've got a theory....When it comes to international level, there are certain players that simply are not going to cut it (in the eyes of the experts) at that level, so, no matter how well they do at club level, they will not be selected. The management may take them along in squad training to double check, and also to appease the media, but nontheless, they will not play in the big games. I could try to highlight such as Howard Kendall, Steve Bruce etc in this, but my real point relates to Chris Sutton, Wayne Bridge and now our own Paul Robinson. The management simply do not feel these players are up to it. Therefore in the case of Sutton and Bridge (Carragher and Scholes), the player has "retired from International Football", simply to save the humiliation at not being picked in the team. There you go!!

Tend to agree with you....but, Scholes? He was pretty permanent in England Firmanent. Equally whilst I agree with you on Robinson (at this moment) he has got loads of caps for England.
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The biggest crime to me (which sort of vindicates Sutton's withdrawl from Club England) was the insistence that the B team was there to identify the "possibles" from the "probables" -- Le Tissier. Scored a hat-trick for the B team - but never got a look-in for the main team. Hard to say (as it is a matter of conjecture) but I would have thought that Le Tiss would have been ideally suited for International football.
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Makes you wonder, if some of these players had pi$$ed in somebody's swimming pool. The alternative is that for some reason the likes of Steve Stone, Nick Barmby, Darren Anderton and McManaman seemed to be permanent picks in the mid to late 90s.

Eddie - e your comment above - you would have course have an appointed board alla Barcelona perhaps and so the only dispute amongst fan shareholders would be the selction of the board every few years.
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That's twice in a week Rovers have been linked with Barca!
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March 28th - DD Day

Hasslem....its often difficult to get the point across whilst dotting every i and crossing every t, but Scholes and Robbo actually apply to the point I'm making more than most!
Scholes (like Carra) was getting in the eleven regularly, but not in his preferred position, hence the frustration leading to him retiring (as I see it). Robinson has not yet retired, but it is clear (as I see it) that the current management ("the eyes of the experts") do not feel he is the man for them.
Likewise, Bridge has had several games for England, but never as first choice and occasionally out of position. It wouldn't surprise me if Bridge was not in the tournament starting XI even if he made himself available for the World Cup...and I think he knows that.

Hi Morse
Had a go at you the other week, when I thought you were wrong, but so much of this is spot on. Thank you for the comments, don't fancy us run by the fans though, we would self destruct in one season !!

Jeppo I wouldn't sack Sam but many would.
Morst it would take forever to appoint a board considering how far apart the opinions of posters on here often are.
Maybe we could compile a list,now who could we get for that job.

there is no place to run a club by committee.
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sure, barcelona is having success at the moment - but for so many seasons the aforementioned board structure was the reason for consistent underperformance by the club. i think what is making them successful is that they have hit lucky (or alternatively a brilliant pick) with their current manager.
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look at what works - it tends to be a bit of benevolent dictatorship - Man Utd (both with Manager and Owners), Chelsea and Rovers in the Jack era.
Compare that to the shenanigans at Liverpool where Waldorf and Statler cant agree what day it is. Multiply it by 200 if Rovers is owned by fans....won't happen.
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These Red Knight clowns may be sincere in their attempts to get rid of the Glazers and be more democratic - but if they get control of how they have already described United as a "train set" then all the squabbling will begin.

jeppo wrote:
Hasslem....its often difficult to get the point across whilst dotting every i and crossing every t, but Scholes and Robbo actually apply to the point I'm making more than most! Scholes (like Carra) was getting in the eleven regularly, but not in his preferred position, hence the frustration leading to him retiring (as I see it). Robinson has not yet retired, but it is clear (as I see it) that the current management ("the eyes of the experts") do not feel he is the man for them. Likewise, Bridge has had several games for England, but never as first choice and occasionally out of position. It wouldn't surprise me if Bridge was not in the tournament starting XI even if he made himself available for the World Cup...and I think he knows that.

Don't know why anybody reckons that Bridge is any good.
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If he were right footed he would never be anywhere neaar the England squad.

I agree you don't want a committee - A Camel is an Horse designed by committee - that's why you would have to appoint a professional and experienced board by vote perhaps with one or two fans representatives added and let them get on with it.
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The main difference would be the club would be owned by fans who could always ensure via guidelines the club was run in the best interest of the fans - i.e. a limit on debt levels, ticket price increases or if we want to donate to a transfer fund?
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Cheers True Blue / Eddie - I think the only thing I would say at this point is it would not be Peter Risdale and his tropical fish tank!
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It is an interesting thought though isn't it - what could happen to us in the next 25 years depending on the way The Walker Family choose to relinquish control?
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