Fazackerley: Top six is minimum target for Blackburn Rovers

Derek Fazackerley

Derek Fazackerley

First published in Sport Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Blackburn Rovers reporter

A PLACE in the play-offs should be the very least of Blackburn Rovers’ ambitions for next season.

That is the verdict of Derek Fazackerley who firmly believes his former club can improve upon the eighth place they achieved in Gary Bowyer’s first full campaign in charge.

But Fazackerley reckons Bowyer will need to make two key signings and retain the services of top scorer Jordan Rhodes if they are to win promotion from what he predicts will be one of the toughest Championships yet.

“I think Gary Bowyer and his staff have certainly brought stability to the club after a time in which people were pulling in different directions,” said Fazackerley, who remains Rovers’ record appearance holder after playing 674 times for the club between 1971 and 1986.

“Gary has been able to establish himself as a manager and he helped the club have a reasonable season.

“You can always look back on a season and ask ‘what if this’ and ‘what if that’ but at the end of the day they just fell shy of the play-offs.

“It was only two points and next season, at the very least, they should be looking to make the play-offs.

“But it gets more difficult every year. The parachute payments for the clubs coming down from the Premier League are enormous and there are some big clubs already in the Championship.

“You’ve got the likes of Nottingham Forest and Birmingham City, who Blackburn finished above, the three clubs who have just come down, and then the other clubs, like Derby County, who just missed out.

“It will be a very, very competitive division again.”

Rovers boss Bowyer will bid to bolster a squad which went within of whisker of finishing in the top six with his top target being a right back.

But Fazackerley also feels Bowyer needs to strengthen in other areas.

“From what I’ve seen of them I think they’ll have to try and find a dominant centre half and probably a creative midfield player,” said Fazackerley.

“But even without them I would expect them to be competitive again.

“I thought the signings they made toward the end of the season, when Craig Conway came in and Rudy Gestede, were excellent.

“But the caveat to that is that they also have to keep people like Jordan Rhodes because if you’re going to go up you’re going to need to have someone who can get you get 20 goals a season.”

Rovers, meanwhile, have been seeded in the northern section of the draw for the Capital One Cup first round.

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10:45am Wed 11 Jun 14

owd nick says...

A bit of stating the bleeding obvious Faz! LOL; we could do with someone like you in your pomp at the back right now.

Must have been reading what the majority of sensible posters have been saying on here for a while now.
A bit of stating the bleeding obvious Faz! LOL; we could do with someone like you in your pomp at the back right now. Must have been reading what the majority of sensible posters have been saying on here for a while now. owd nick
  • Score: -1

10:45am Wed 11 Jun 14

.Lancs _ Pensioner says...

Hang on a minute Faz was this not the ambition last season to finish in the top 6 or automatic promotion.
With 61 players on the books this did'nt quite work out did it.
Oh wel with FFP rules soon upon us and Bowyers negative tactics we might just might stay in the Championship next season

Out with the Cowboys and Indians

And that mouldy git Old age pensioner.
Hang on a minute Faz was this not the ambition last season to finish in the top 6 or automatic promotion. With 61 players on the books this did'nt quite work out did it. Oh wel with FFP rules soon upon us and Bowyers negative tactics we might just might stay in the Championship next season Out with the Cowboys and Indians And that mouldy git Old age pensioner. .Lancs _ Pensioner
  • Score: -21

10:57am Wed 11 Jun 14

look.up.blackburn. says...

LOL! Faz mate, what have you been smoking!
LOL! Faz mate, what have you been smoking! look.up.blackburn.
  • Score: -10

11:01am Wed 11 Jun 14

hasslem hasslem says...

personally - i agree with faz.

when we went down we were in total chaos with the idiot manager and his organ grinder pulling the strings along with the malaysian moron playing kamikaze pilot with our beloved club. at the start of 2012/13 - i thought we would do well to avoid relegation

last season i had hoped with the removal of the day to day influence of the monkey and organ grinder (though not some of their catastrophic buys) plus less shebby effect that we may achieve top half - i thought 10th and we overachieved on that.

however, with a season of stability and gradual improvement last year - we should be well placed to have a real do at it next season (obviously dependent on keeping roughly the same team together). the young squad began to show real promise towards the end of the season and will be another season more mature this coming.

of the teams that were relegated - norwich don't worry me, fulham seem to be in turmoil and with an ancient first team due to be replaced by youth may realise that having a team that gets to the youth cup final doesn't necessarily mean 'owt when it comes to first team football. can see cardiff being as volatile as rovers when we come down with the james bond baddie in control.

of the teams that missed out last year - derby will be strong. mcclaren may be hated for his england experience - but he did a belting job at boro and will have that attractive derby team for a full season this time around.
forest, reading and brighton look set for difficult seasons surrounding their off the field issues (and possibly watford). i expect wigan to be strong and mccarthy needs to have a good season at ipswich or he will be out. dunno about bournemouth - it could go either way for eddie howe.

can't see any other teams turning up any trees - expect leeds, wednesday and birmingham to spontaeneously combust. wolves may do ok - but surely too early for them to mount a challenge.

no doubt, one team that i have not considered will mount a challenge.

so by my reckoning - if we get off to a good start we should have a good season - my prediction 4th (and possibly 3rd at a push)
personally - i agree with faz. when we went down we were in total chaos with the idiot manager and his organ grinder pulling the strings along with the malaysian moron playing kamikaze pilot with our beloved club. at the start of 2012/13 - i thought we would do well to avoid relegation last season i had hoped with the removal of the day to day influence of the monkey and organ grinder (though not some of their catastrophic buys) plus less shebby effect that we may achieve top half - i thought 10th and we overachieved on that. however, with a season of stability and gradual improvement last year - we should be well placed to have a real do at it next season (obviously dependent on keeping roughly the same team together). the young squad began to show real promise towards the end of the season and will be another season more mature this coming. of the teams that were relegated - norwich don't worry me, fulham seem to be in turmoil and with an ancient first team due to be replaced by youth may realise that having a team that gets to the youth cup final doesn't necessarily mean 'owt when it comes to first team football. can see cardiff being as volatile as rovers when we come down with the james bond baddie in control. of the teams that missed out last year - derby will be strong. mcclaren may be hated for his england experience - but he did a belting job at boro and will have that attractive derby team for a full season this time around. forest, reading and brighton look set for difficult seasons surrounding their off the field issues (and possibly watford). i expect wigan to be strong and mccarthy needs to have a good season at ipswich or he will be out. dunno about bournemouth - it could go either way for eddie howe. can't see any other teams turning up any trees - expect leeds, wednesday and birmingham to spontaeneously combust. wolves may do ok - but surely too early for them to mount a challenge. no doubt, one team that i have not considered will mount a challenge. so by my reckoning - if we get off to a good start we should have a good season - my prediction 4th (and possibly 3rd at a push) hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 6

11:02am Wed 11 Jun 14

cboyer says...

.Lancs _ Pensioner wrote:
Hang on a minute Faz was this not the ambition last season to finish in the top 6 or automatic promotion.
With 61 players on the books this did'nt quite work out did it.
Oh wel with FFP rules soon upon us and Bowyers negative tactics we might just might stay in the Championship next season

Out with the Cowboys and Indians

And that mouldy git Old age pensioner.
6 wins and 6 draws in the last 12 games we was scoring goals for fun it was our defending that was letting us down there was a few games we was too negative but 70 points would have had us in top 6 last season so stop being such a drama queen
[quote][p][bold].Lancs _ Pensioner[/bold] wrote: Hang on a minute Faz was this not the ambition last season to finish in the top 6 or automatic promotion. With 61 players on the books this did'nt quite work out did it. Oh wel with FFP rules soon upon us and Bowyers negative tactics we might just might stay in the Championship next season Out with the Cowboys and Indians And that mouldy git Old age pensioner.[/p][/quote]6 wins and 6 draws in the last 12 games we was scoring goals for fun it was our defending that was letting us down there was a few games we was too negative but 70 points would have had us in top 6 last season so stop being such a drama queen cboyer
  • Score: 13

11:04am Wed 11 Jun 14

hasslem hasslem says...

i see the resident village idiot has had to change its sign-in again, so looks like the LT has finally acted - regrettably it is back under yet another name.

you really could get more sense from an upturned tin of alphabetti spaghetti.
i see the resident village idiot has had to change its sign-in again, so looks like the LT has finally acted - regrettably it is back under yet another name. you really could get more sense from an upturned tin of alphabetti spaghetti. hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 4

11:06am Wed 11 Jun 14

Warnie says...

4th ha ha ha ha ha ...ha

yes Derek its all about the what ifs... here are a few more for you..

What if your parachute payments were halved?
What if FFP was about to kick in?
What if Rhodes was sold?
What if league 1 wasn't that bad after all?

4th ha ha ha ha .. ha
4th ha ha ha ha ha ...ha yes Derek its all about the what ifs... here are a few more for you.. What if your parachute payments were halved? What if FFP was about to kick in? What if Rhodes was sold? What if league 1 wasn't that bad after all? 4th ha ha ha ha .. ha Warnie
  • Score: -12

11:13am Wed 11 Jun 14

MatthewCA says...

This season is OUR Season, We have to top the table from the start and continue with our strength.

We need quality players as backup, Last season couple of reds cards and departure of Scott Dann create some imbalance in the shape of the team. This we need to cover with quality players and Hope players give there 100% in the pitch and make FANS happy.
This season is OUR Season, We have to top the table from the start and continue with our strength. We need quality players as backup, Last season couple of reds cards and departure of Scott Dann create some imbalance in the shape of the team. This we need to cover with quality players and Hope players give there 100% in the pitch and make FANS happy. MatthewCA
  • Score: 6

11:14am Wed 11 Jun 14

hasslem hasslem says...

MatthewCA wrote:
This season is OUR Season, We have to top the table from the start and continue with our strength.

We need quality players as backup, Last season couple of reds cards and departure of Scott Dann create some imbalance in the shape of the team. This we need to cover with quality players and Hope players give there 100% in the pitch and make FANS happy.
Hanley needs to show more maturity - he can be a (big)headless chicken at times (no joke intended)
[quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: This season is OUR Season, We have to top the table from the start and continue with our strength. We need quality players as backup, Last season couple of reds cards and departure of Scott Dann create some imbalance in the shape of the team. This we need to cover with quality players and Hope players give there 100% in the pitch and make FANS happy.[/p][/quote]Hanley needs to show more maturity - he can be a (big)headless chicken at times (no joke intended) hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 1

11:27am Wed 11 Jun 14

look.up.blackburn. says...

One small matter has been overlooked here.... that being Financial Fair Play.

Blackburn Rovers are about to be saddled with a transfer ban for non-compliance and as a result will have to sell players at below market value whilst being unable to bring in equivalent replacements.

What part of this do Blackburn fans not understand?

According to several sources in the media and these very message boards, a cost cutting exercise to the tune of £25million is expected over the coming season as a result of the large bill wage and additional £8million deficit from the reduction in parachute payments.

A slow start will put Bowyer under immense pressure and I suspect he will fail to bring about the results necessary to have any impact whatsoever in easily the most competitive Championship ever, with Fulham, Cardiff and Norwich able to bolster their squad for an instant return with the enhanced £60million parachute payments, whilst Derby, Nottingham Forest, Reading, Watford, Wigan and Bolton will also be chasing automatic promotion.

A top six finish is simply fantasy.
One small matter has been overlooked here.... that being Financial Fair Play. Blackburn Rovers are about to be saddled with a transfer ban for non-compliance and as a result will have to sell players at below market value whilst being unable to bring in equivalent replacements. What part of this do Blackburn fans not understand? According to several sources in the media and these very message boards, a cost cutting exercise to the tune of £25million is expected over the coming season as a result of the large bill wage and additional £8million deficit from the reduction in parachute payments. A slow start will put Bowyer under immense pressure and I suspect he will fail to bring about the results necessary to have any impact whatsoever in easily the most competitive Championship ever, with Fulham, Cardiff and Norwich able to bolster their squad for an instant return with the enhanced £60million parachute payments, whilst Derby, Nottingham Forest, Reading, Watford, Wigan and Bolton will also be chasing automatic promotion. A top six finish is simply fantasy. look.up.blackburn.
  • Score: -14

11:34am Wed 11 Jun 14

cboyer says...

please people dont reply to the dim wit dingles they are boring and you replying to them are just as anoying ha
please people dont reply to the dim wit dingles they are boring and you replying to them are just as anoying ha cboyer
  • Score: 7

12:13pm Wed 11 Jun 14

inflightmagazine says...

Its all about positive starts I think this season, we finished on a good run and started to play some good stuff, even had the run away league winners quoted as saying we gave them the best game of the season. This is a good side with some genuine footballing talent in there.

The team also seemed to be coming together as a unit and the general feel I felt as a fan , in the ground was we are moving forward. Hitting the ground running will be the key. If you look at the three teams coming down.

Cardiff have gone crazy on the new signings already( Obviously FFP is scaring them to death) , so no lessoned learned there about putting a team together.

Fulham really struggled last year and there manager is a little bit nuts, so can `t see them doing that well.

Norwich probably wont lose that many players because quite frankly none of them were that good , so might do quite well because they will still have the nucleus of a the team.

Recent history shows that teams coming down are struggling to bounce straight back up. So I think the oppurtunity is there for the stable teams to grip hold of the league. We have had our transistion period and this is now the real test of the squad.
Its all about positive starts I think this season, we finished on a good run and started to play some good stuff, even had the run away league winners quoted as saying we gave them the best game of the season. This is a good side with some genuine footballing talent in there. The team also seemed to be coming together as a unit and the general feel I felt as a fan , in the ground was we are moving forward. Hitting the ground running will be the key. If you look at the three teams coming down. Cardiff have gone crazy on the new signings already( Obviously FFP is scaring them to death) , so no lessoned learned there about putting a team together. Fulham really struggled last year and there manager is a little bit nuts, so can `t see them doing that well. Norwich probably wont lose that many players because quite frankly none of them were that good , so might do quite well because they will still have the nucleus of a the team. Recent history shows that teams coming down are struggling to bounce straight back up. So I think the oppurtunity is there for the stable teams to grip hold of the league. We have had our transistion period and this is now the real test of the squad. inflightmagazine
  • Score: 4

12:42pm Wed 11 Jun 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

Surely you don't get paid for coming out with this meaningless dribble Faz.
Surely you don't get paid for coming out with this meaningless dribble Faz. A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: -2

1:08pm Wed 11 Jun 14

greenscreener says...

A Rover 45 years and over wrote:
Surely you don't get paid for coming out with this meaningless dribble Faz.
Perhaps you could share your wisdom then, what's your opinion on the prospects for the next season ?

You claim to have been spectating as long as Faz has been in the game so you obviously know just as much as a guy who was a legend at Ewood Park.
[quote][p][bold]A Rover 45 years and over[/bold] wrote: Surely you don't get paid for coming out with this meaningless dribble Faz.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you could share your wisdom then, what's your opinion on the prospects for the next season ? You claim to have been spectating as long as Faz has been in the game so you obviously know just as much as a guy who was a legend at Ewood Park. greenscreener
  • Score: 4

1:20pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Rovers 1495 says...

Maybe even automatic promotion ... not me saying it

http://www.examiner.
co.uk/sport/football
/news/20142015-champ
ionship---what-hudde
rsfield-7245062
Maybe even automatic promotion ... not me saying it http://www.examiner. co.uk/sport/football /news/20142015-champ ionship---what-hudde rsfield-7245062 Rovers 1495
  • Score: 6

1:37pm Wed 11 Jun 14

noddy57 says...

l would say top 6 minimum is about right` but the play off,s is too much of a gamble so we have to aim for an automatic spot and believe we can do it` that should be the aim whether we make it or not.
l would say top 6 minimum is about right` but the play off,s is too much of a gamble so we have to aim for an automatic spot and believe we can do it` that should be the aim whether we make it or not. noddy57
  • Score: 3

1:45pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Ronaldpetercooper says...

I really do believe that the relegated clubs will do quite well. Norwich, contrary to above comments, were a decent side but could not score and I expect them to sign a decent scorer to put that right. They are also sound financially and will battle it out with Derby and Wigan for top spot. Expect Cardiff to be there or thereabouts and no doubt Notts Forrest and possibly Reading will be trying very hard. If Birmingham and Leeds sort out their finances they could also make this a much better and more competitive league than last. There are other teams who could surprise us.
Yes I do believe that Rovers will be there or thereabouts but the present teams needs a little more quality in defence and only then will we be in the mix. It is going to be tough but exciting and can't wait.
I really do believe that the relegated clubs will do quite well. Norwich, contrary to above comments, were a decent side but could not score and I expect them to sign a decent scorer to put that right. They are also sound financially and will battle it out with Derby and Wigan for top spot. Expect Cardiff to be there or thereabouts and no doubt Notts Forrest and possibly Reading will be trying very hard. If Birmingham and Leeds sort out their finances they could also make this a much better and more competitive league than last. There are other teams who could surprise us. Yes I do believe that Rovers will be there or thereabouts but the present teams needs a little more quality in defence and only then will we be in the mix. It is going to be tough but exciting and can't wait. Ronaldpetercooper
  • Score: 4

1:47pm Wed 11 Jun 14

look.up.blackburn. says...

The continued fall of Blackburn Rovers is going to be hilarious. I love how you muppets are building up your chances, it can only end one way...

LOL!
The continued fall of Blackburn Rovers is going to be hilarious. I love how you muppets are building up your chances, it can only end one way... LOL! look.up.blackburn.
  • Score: -3

2:04pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Steven Seagull says...

Round 2 of the capital one cup is a more realistic prospect.
Round 2 of the capital one cup is a more realistic prospect. Steven Seagull
  • Score: -6

2:09pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Steven Seagull says...

Rovers 1495 wrote:
Maybe even automatic promotion ... not me saying it

http://www.examiner.

co.uk/sport/football

/news/20142015-champ

ionship---what-hudde

rsfield-7245062
Ha ha, priceless. A no-dad semi on because a reporter for a Huddersfield rag wrote whilst in a drunken stupor that Blackburn might finish 2nd.

Doesn't take much to get them excited.
[quote][p][bold]Rovers 1495[/bold] wrote: Maybe even automatic promotion ... not me saying it http://www.examiner. co.uk/sport/football /news/20142015-champ ionship---what-hudde rsfield-7245062[/p][/quote]Ha ha, priceless. A no-dad semi on because a reporter for a Huddersfield rag wrote whilst in a drunken stupor that Blackburn might finish 2nd. Doesn't take much to get them excited. Steven Seagull
  • Score: -7

2:22pm Wed 11 Jun 14

J.C - Rishton says...

Ronaldpetercooper wrote:
I really do believe that the relegated clubs will do quite well. Norwich, contrary to above comments, were a decent side but could not score and I expect them to sign a decent scorer to put that right. They are also sound financially and will battle it out with Derby and Wigan for top spot. Expect Cardiff to be there or thereabouts and no doubt Notts Forrest and possibly Reading will be trying very hard. If Birmingham and Leeds sort out their finances they could also make this a much better and more competitive league than last. There are other teams who could surprise us.
Yes I do believe that Rovers will be there or thereabouts but the present teams needs a little more quality in defence and only then will we be in the mix. It is going to be tough but exciting and can't wait.
Excellent, well balanced post.

Whilst I agree that we have a good "first team" and should be trying for a playoff spot most fans on here are WAY over estamating our chances whilst massively under rating many of our opponents.

For example - We are playing a 46 game season, compare our squad with that of Derbys. We currently have 8 or 9 excellent players but the replacement players (Etuhu, Varney, Henley etc) are way below the quality of fringe players in these other squads. Therefore inorder to make the top 6 we will need to stay lucky and avoid an injury crisis otherwise we will be a very average side.

Also, most posters on here are under rating the sides that have just come down. They will have a HUGE financial advantage over us, the are not going to be imediatlely worried by FFP (it dosent kick in until after a side has been in the division for 12 months) and both Norwich and Cardiff are financially sound and have plenty of lower level premier league players or top championship players on their books (players that would walk into our first team) and have the money to go out and buy even more.

Also, fans are reading too much into the fact that we finished 8th last season and 15th the season before and therefore we are "improving" therefore they argue logically that we will finish higher this coming season. Unfortunately league football dosent work like that. Last season Watford were crap but they lost in the play off finals from the previous season. Also, in the last 5 seasons in the championship the team that finished 7th finished mid table EVERY TIME in the following season but if you'd have asked their fans in the summer after finishing 7th I'll guarantee that all their fans would have said exactly what most fans on here have said "we're improving, the teams a year older, gelling, next season we'll have one of the best teams in the division etc etc" - but rarely does it work out like that.

Also, look at last season - Burnley, crap, small club, small squad, small fan base and one of the favorites for relegation - ended up 2nd (shows that non of us can really tell).

Also, I think many are over rating GB as a manager and therefore overrating slightly our chances. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big GB fan and he did a superb job for us last year but he isnt at the managerial level of Steve MaClaren and I also think that Rossler at Wigan, given a full summer to bring in his own players and a full pre season to get his side playing the way he really wants could well prove to be a manager of imense quality who could go onto manage much bigger clubs than Wigan in the not too distant future.

Also, to have ANY chance of a possible top 6 I think that we must avoid a transfer embargo AND hold onto Rhodes, Hanley, Cairney and Conway - in my opionion if we lose any of these 4 players through transfers or longterm injury than we will struggle to be higher than mid table.

I hope I'm wrong but I think most Rovers fans are reading far too much into our good run at the end of the season and not enough time at our lack of squad depth and financial problems - 6th place finish would be a great achievement for GB, top 2 no chance.
[quote][p][bold]Ronaldpetercooper[/bold] wrote: I really do believe that the relegated clubs will do quite well. Norwich, contrary to above comments, were a decent side but could not score and I expect them to sign a decent scorer to put that right. They are also sound financially and will battle it out with Derby and Wigan for top spot. Expect Cardiff to be there or thereabouts and no doubt Notts Forrest and possibly Reading will be trying very hard. If Birmingham and Leeds sort out their finances they could also make this a much better and more competitive league than last. There are other teams who could surprise us. Yes I do believe that Rovers will be there or thereabouts but the present teams needs a little more quality in defence and only then will we be in the mix. It is going to be tough but exciting and can't wait.[/p][/quote]Excellent, well balanced post. Whilst I agree that we have a good "first team" and should be trying for a playoff spot most fans on here are WAY over estamating our chances whilst massively under rating many of our opponents. For example - We are playing a 46 game season, compare our squad with that of Derbys. We currently have 8 or 9 excellent players but the replacement players (Etuhu, Varney, Henley etc) are way below the quality of fringe players in these other squads. Therefore inorder to make the top 6 we will need to stay lucky and avoid an injury crisis otherwise we will be a very average side. Also, most posters on here are under rating the sides that have just come down. They will have a HUGE financial advantage over us, the are not going to be imediatlely worried by FFP (it dosent kick in until after a side has been in the division for 12 months) and both Norwich and Cardiff are financially sound and have plenty of lower level premier league players or top championship players on their books (players that would walk into our first team) and have the money to go out and buy even more. Also, fans are reading too much into the fact that we finished 8th last season and 15th the season before and therefore we are "improving" therefore they argue logically that we will finish higher this coming season. Unfortunately league football dosent work like that. Last season Watford were crap but they lost in the play off finals from the previous season. Also, in the last 5 seasons in the championship the team that finished 7th finished mid table EVERY TIME in the following season but if you'd have asked their fans in the summer after finishing 7th I'll guarantee that all their fans would have said exactly what most fans on here have said "we're improving, the teams a year older, gelling, next season we'll have one of the best teams in the division etc etc" - but rarely does it work out like that. Also, look at last season - Burnley, crap, small club, small squad, small fan base and one of the favorites for relegation - ended up 2nd (shows that non of us can really tell). Also, I think many are over rating GB as a manager and therefore overrating slightly our chances. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big GB fan and he did a superb job for us last year but he isnt at the managerial level of Steve MaClaren and I also think that Rossler at Wigan, given a full summer to bring in his own players and a full pre season to get his side playing the way he really wants could well prove to be a manager of imense quality who could go onto manage much bigger clubs than Wigan in the not too distant future. Also, to have ANY chance of a possible top 6 I think that we must avoid a transfer embargo AND hold onto Rhodes, Hanley, Cairney and Conway - in my opionion if we lose any of these 4 players through transfers or longterm injury than we will struggle to be higher than mid table. I hope I'm wrong but I think most Rovers fans are reading far too much into our good run at the end of the season and not enough time at our lack of squad depth and financial problems - 6th place finish would be a great achievement for GB, top 2 no chance. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 4

2:37pm Wed 11 Jun 14

McClaret says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Ronaldpetercooper wrote:
I really do believe that the relegated clubs will do quite well. Norwich, contrary to above comments, were a decent side but could not score and I expect them to sign a decent scorer to put that right. They are also sound financially and will battle it out with Derby and Wigan for top spot. Expect Cardiff to be there or thereabouts and no doubt Notts Forrest and possibly Reading will be trying very hard. If Birmingham and Leeds sort out their finances they could also make this a much better and more competitive league than last. There are other teams who could surprise us.
Yes I do believe that Rovers will be there or thereabouts but the present teams needs a little more quality in defence and only then will we be in the mix. It is going to be tough but exciting and can't wait.
Excellent, well balanced post.

Whilst I agree that we have a good "first team" and should be trying for a playoff spot most fans on here are WAY over estamating our chances whilst massively under rating many of our opponents.

For example - We are playing a 46 game season, compare our squad with that of Derbys. We currently have 8 or 9 excellent players but the replacement players (Etuhu, Varney, Henley etc) are way below the quality of fringe players in these other squads. Therefore inorder to make the top 6 we will need to stay lucky and avoid an injury crisis otherwise we will be a very average side.

Also, most posters on here are under rating the sides that have just come down. They will have a HUGE financial advantage over us, the are not going to be imediatlely worried by FFP (it dosent kick in until after a side has been in the division for 12 months) and both Norwich and Cardiff are financially sound and have plenty of lower level premier league players or top championship players on their books (players that would walk into our first team) and have the money to go out and buy even more.

Also, fans are reading too much into the fact that we finished 8th last season and 15th the season before and therefore we are "improving" therefore they argue logically that we will finish higher this coming season. Unfortunately league football dosent work like that. Last season Watford were crap but they lost in the play off finals from the previous season. Also, in the last 5 seasons in the championship the team that finished 7th finished mid table EVERY TIME in the following season but if you'd have asked their fans in the summer after finishing 7th I'll guarantee that all their fans would have said exactly what most fans on here have said "we're improving, the teams a year older, gelling, next season we'll have one of the best teams in the division etc etc" - but rarely does it work out like that.

Also, look at last season - Burnley, crap, small club, small squad, small fan base and one of the favorites for relegation - ended up 2nd (shows that non of us can really tell).

Also, I think many are over rating GB as a manager and therefore overrating slightly our chances. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big GB fan and he did a superb job for us last year but he isnt at the managerial level of Steve MaClaren and I also think that Rossler at Wigan, given a full summer to bring in his own players and a full pre season to get his side playing the way he really wants could well prove to be a manager of imense quality who could go onto manage much bigger clubs than Wigan in the not too distant future.

Also, to have ANY chance of a possible top 6 I think that we must avoid a transfer embargo AND hold onto Rhodes, Hanley, Cairney and Conway - in my opionion if we lose any of these 4 players through transfers or longterm injury than we will struggle to be higher than mid table.

I hope I'm wrong but I think most Rovers fans are reading far too much into our good run at the end of the season and not enough time at our lack of squad depth and financial problems - 6th place finish would be a great achievement for GB, top 2 no chance.
Nicely balanced post and I agree with those who say that the relegated teams are likely to be strong. Because of FFP the teams coming down either have to cut their cloth or take the gamble whilst they have the window of opportunity. I fuly expect Cardiff to buy their way back such as QPR did. This leaves 2 spots available and most expect Wigan to be up there leaving possibly 1.
As usual it should make for an interesting Championship season, unlike the prem where you can virtually name the top six, middle six and bottom 8 before a ball is kicked.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronaldpetercooper[/bold] wrote: I really do believe that the relegated clubs will do quite well. Norwich, contrary to above comments, were a decent side but could not score and I expect them to sign a decent scorer to put that right. They are also sound financially and will battle it out with Derby and Wigan for top spot. Expect Cardiff to be there or thereabouts and no doubt Notts Forrest and possibly Reading will be trying very hard. If Birmingham and Leeds sort out their finances they could also make this a much better and more competitive league than last. There are other teams who could surprise us. Yes I do believe that Rovers will be there or thereabouts but the present teams needs a little more quality in defence and only then will we be in the mix. It is going to be tough but exciting and can't wait.[/p][/quote]Excellent, well balanced post. Whilst I agree that we have a good "first team" and should be trying for a playoff spot most fans on here are WAY over estamating our chances whilst massively under rating many of our opponents. For example - We are playing a 46 game season, compare our squad with that of Derbys. We currently have 8 or 9 excellent players but the replacement players (Etuhu, Varney, Henley etc) are way below the quality of fringe players in these other squads. Therefore inorder to make the top 6 we will need to stay lucky and avoid an injury crisis otherwise we will be a very average side. Also, most posters on here are under rating the sides that have just come down. They will have a HUGE financial advantage over us, the are not going to be imediatlely worried by FFP (it dosent kick in until after a side has been in the division for 12 months) and both Norwich and Cardiff are financially sound and have plenty of lower level premier league players or top championship players on their books (players that would walk into our first team) and have the money to go out and buy even more. Also, fans are reading too much into the fact that we finished 8th last season and 15th the season before and therefore we are "improving" therefore they argue logically that we will finish higher this coming season. Unfortunately league football dosent work like that. Last season Watford were crap but they lost in the play off finals from the previous season. Also, in the last 5 seasons in the championship the team that finished 7th finished mid table EVERY TIME in the following season but if you'd have asked their fans in the summer after finishing 7th I'll guarantee that all their fans would have said exactly what most fans on here have said "we're improving, the teams a year older, gelling, next season we'll have one of the best teams in the division etc etc" - but rarely does it work out like that. Also, look at last season - Burnley, crap, small club, small squad, small fan base and one of the favorites for relegation - ended up 2nd (shows that non of us can really tell). Also, I think many are over rating GB as a manager and therefore overrating slightly our chances. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big GB fan and he did a superb job for us last year but he isnt at the managerial level of Steve MaClaren and I also think that Rossler at Wigan, given a full summer to bring in his own players and a full pre season to get his side playing the way he really wants could well prove to be a manager of imense quality who could go onto manage much bigger clubs than Wigan in the not too distant future. Also, to have ANY chance of a possible top 6 I think that we must avoid a transfer embargo AND hold onto Rhodes, Hanley, Cairney and Conway - in my opionion if we lose any of these 4 players through transfers or longterm injury than we will struggle to be higher than mid table. I hope I'm wrong but I think most Rovers fans are reading far too much into our good run at the end of the season and not enough time at our lack of squad depth and financial problems - 6th place finish would be a great achievement for GB, top 2 no chance.[/p][/quote]Nicely balanced post and I agree with those who say that the relegated teams are likely to be strong. Because of FFP the teams coming down either have to cut their cloth or take the gamble whilst they have the window of opportunity. I fuly expect Cardiff to buy their way back such as QPR did. This leaves 2 spots available and most expect Wigan to be up there leaving possibly 1. As usual it should make for an interesting Championship season, unlike the prem where you can virtually name the top six, middle six and bottom 8 before a ball is kicked. McClaret
  • Score: 3

2:48pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Old age pensioner says...

.Lancs _ Pensioner wrote:
Hang on a minute Faz was this not the ambition last season to finish in the top 6 or automatic promotion.
With 61 players on the books this did'nt quite work out did it.
Oh wel with FFP rules soon upon us and Bowyers negative tactics we might just might stay in the Championship next season

Out with the Cowboys and Indians

And that mouldy git Old age pensioner.
Soon be upon us, your just a Fake LP, a Fake BRFC supporter but your kidding no one child, your a Dingle and we know it, now go out and play before it's tea time.
[quote][p][bold].Lancs _ Pensioner[/bold] wrote: Hang on a minute Faz was this not the ambition last season to finish in the top 6 or automatic promotion. With 61 players on the books this did'nt quite work out did it. Oh wel with FFP rules soon upon us and Bowyers negative tactics we might just might stay in the Championship next season Out with the Cowboys and Indians And that mouldy git Old age pensioner.[/p][/quote]Soon be upon us, your just a Fake LP, a Fake BRFC supporter but your kidding no one child, your a Dingle and we know it, now go out and play before it's tea time. Old age pensioner
  • Score: 6

2:49pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Old age pensioner says...

cboyer wrote:
.Lancs _ Pensioner wrote:
Hang on a minute Faz was this not the ambition last season to finish in the top 6 or automatic promotion.
With 61 players on the books this did'nt quite work out did it.
Oh wel with FFP rules soon upon us and Bowyers negative tactics we might just might stay in the Championship next season

Out with the Cowboys and Indians

And that mouldy git Old age pensioner.
6 wins and 6 draws in the last 12 games we was scoring goals for fun it was our defending that was letting us down there was a few games we was too negative but 70 points would have had us in top 6 last season so stop being such a drama queen
CB, just ignore the NH and his cousin Souper Clurite NH 2014.
[quote][p][bold]cboyer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold].Lancs _ Pensioner[/bold] wrote: Hang on a minute Faz was this not the ambition last season to finish in the top 6 or automatic promotion. With 61 players on the books this did'nt quite work out did it. Oh wel with FFP rules soon upon us and Bowyers negative tactics we might just might stay in the Championship next season Out with the Cowboys and Indians And that mouldy git Old age pensioner.[/p][/quote]6 wins and 6 draws in the last 12 games we was scoring goals for fun it was our defending that was letting us down there was a few games we was too negative but 70 points would have had us in top 6 last season so stop being such a drama queen[/p][/quote]CB, just ignore the NH and his cousin Souper Clurite NH 2014. Old age pensioner
  • Score: 3

3:02pm Wed 11 Jun 14

.Lancs _ Pensioner says...

There you go agian O.A.P
The insane ramblings of a senile old codger.
I am indeed a Rover currently working at Blackburn Valet Center washing cars for abit of pocket money.
Come on down in your Mobility Scooter for a half price valet.

The real LP.

I know your missing super_clarets so much you can't stop talking about him.Even though he runs you ragged on every post.By the way have you just had you're afternoon nap old man.?
There you go agian O.A.P The insane ramblings of a senile old codger. I am indeed a Rover currently working at Blackburn Valet Center washing cars for abit of pocket money. Come on down in your Mobility Scooter for a half price valet. The real LP. I know your missing super_clarets so much you can't stop talking about him.Even though he runs you ragged on every post.By the way have you just had you're afternoon nap old man.? .Lancs _ Pensioner
  • Score: -6

3:13pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Old age pensioner says...

.Lancs _ Pensioner wrote:
There you go agian O.A.P
The insane ramblings of a senile old codger.
I am indeed a Rover currently working at Blackburn Valet Center washing cars for abit of pocket money.
Come on down in your Mobility Scooter for a half price valet.

The real LP.

I know your missing super_clarets so much you can't stop talking about him.Even though he runs you ragged on every post.By the way have you just had you're afternoon nap old man.?
Zzzzzzzzzzzz Fake NH
[quote][p][bold].Lancs _ Pensioner[/bold] wrote: There you go agian O.A.P The insane ramblings of a senile old codger. I am indeed a Rover currently working at Blackburn Valet Center washing cars for abit of pocket money. Come on down in your Mobility Scooter for a half price valet. The real LP. I know your missing super_clarets so much you can't stop talking about him.Even though he runs you ragged on every post.By the way have you just had you're afternoon nap old man.?[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzz Fake NH Old age pensioner
  • Score: 0

3:15pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Old age pensioner says...

.Lancs _ Pensioner wrote:
There you go agian O.A.P
The insane ramblings of a senile old codger.
I am indeed a Rover currently working at Blackburn Valet Center washing cars for abit of pocket money.
Come on down in your Mobility Scooter for a half price valet.

The real LP.

I know your missing super_clarets so much you can't stop talking about him.Even though he runs you ragged on every post.By the way have you just had you're afternoon nap old man.?
I hope that "bit of Pocket money" is taxable dear boy!!!!! I'll check it out shall I?
[quote][p][bold].Lancs _ Pensioner[/bold] wrote: There you go agian O.A.P The insane ramblings of a senile old codger. I am indeed a Rover currently working at Blackburn Valet Center washing cars for abit of pocket money. Come on down in your Mobility Scooter for a half price valet. The real LP. I know your missing super_clarets so much you can't stop talking about him.Even though he runs you ragged on every post.By the way have you just had you're afternoon nap old man.?[/p][/quote]I hope that "bit of Pocket money" is taxable dear boy!!!!! I'll check it out shall I? Old age pensioner
  • Score: 5

3:29pm Wed 11 Jun 14

madari says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
personally - i agree with faz.

when we went down we were in total chaos with the idiot manager and his organ grinder pulling the strings along with the malaysian moron playing kamikaze pilot with our beloved club. at the start of 2012/13 - i thought we would do well to avoid relegation

last season i had hoped with the removal of the day to day influence of the monkey and organ grinder (though not some of their catastrophic buys) plus less shebby effect that we may achieve top half - i thought 10th and we overachieved on that.

however, with a season of stability and gradual improvement last year - we should be well placed to have a real do at it next season (obviously dependent on keeping roughly the same team together). the young squad began to show real promise towards the end of the season and will be another season more mature this coming.

of the teams that were relegated - norwich don't worry me, fulham seem to be in turmoil and with an ancient first team due to be replaced by youth may realise that having a team that gets to the youth cup final doesn't necessarily mean 'owt when it comes to first team football. can see cardiff being as volatile as rovers when we come down with the james bond baddie in control.

of the teams that missed out last year - derby will be strong. mcclaren may be hated for his england experience - but he did a belting job at boro and will have that attractive derby team for a full season this time around.
forest, reading and brighton look set for difficult seasons surrounding their off the field issues (and possibly watford). i expect wigan to be strong and mccarthy needs to have a good season at ipswich or he will be out. dunno about bournemouth - it could go either way for eddie howe.

can't see any other teams turning up any trees - expect leeds, wednesday and birmingham to spontaeneously combust. wolves may do ok - but surely too early for them to mount a challenge.

no doubt, one team that i have not considered will mount a challenge.

so by my reckoning - if we get off to a good start we should have a good season - my prediction 4th (and possibly 3rd at a push)
Madari the snake charmer says:

What a CLOWN.....Quote:..` my prediction 4th (and possibly 3rd at a push``Hahahahahah!!
The only way is DOWN DEEP DEEP DEEPER AND DOWN .....DROWN !!!
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: personally - i agree with faz. when we went down we were in total chaos with the idiot manager and his organ grinder pulling the strings along with the malaysian moron playing kamikaze pilot with our beloved club. at the start of 2012/13 - i thought we would do well to avoid relegation last season i had hoped with the removal of the day to day influence of the monkey and organ grinder (though not some of their catastrophic buys) plus less shebby effect that we may achieve top half - i thought 10th and we overachieved on that. however, with a season of stability and gradual improvement last year - we should be well placed to have a real do at it next season (obviously dependent on keeping roughly the same team together). the young squad began to show real promise towards the end of the season and will be another season more mature this coming. of the teams that were relegated - norwich don't worry me, fulham seem to be in turmoil and with an ancient first team due to be replaced by youth may realise that having a team that gets to the youth cup final doesn't necessarily mean 'owt when it comes to first team football. can see cardiff being as volatile as rovers when we come down with the james bond baddie in control. of the teams that missed out last year - derby will be strong. mcclaren may be hated for his england experience - but he did a belting job at boro and will have that attractive derby team for a full season this time around. forest, reading and brighton look set for difficult seasons surrounding their off the field issues (and possibly watford). i expect wigan to be strong and mccarthy needs to have a good season at ipswich or he will be out. dunno about bournemouth - it could go either way for eddie howe. can't see any other teams turning up any trees - expect leeds, wednesday and birmingham to spontaeneously combust. wolves may do ok - but surely too early for them to mount a challenge. no doubt, one team that i have not considered will mount a challenge. so by my reckoning - if we get off to a good start we should have a good season - my prediction 4th (and possibly 3rd at a push)[/p][/quote]Madari the snake charmer says: What a CLOWN.....Quote:..` my prediction 4th (and possibly 3rd at a push``Hahahahahah!! The only way is DOWN DEEP DEEP DEEPER AND DOWN .....DROWN !!! madari
  • Score: -5

4:11pm Wed 11 Jun 14

hasslem hasslem says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Ronaldpetercooper wrote:
I really do believe that the relegated clubs will do quite well. Norwich, contrary to above comments, were a decent side but could not score and I expect them to sign a decent scorer to put that right. They are also sound financially and will battle it out with Derby and Wigan for top spot. Expect Cardiff to be there or thereabouts and no doubt Notts Forrest and possibly Reading will be trying very hard. If Birmingham and Leeds sort out their finances they could also make this a much better and more competitive league than last. There are other teams who could surprise us.
Yes I do believe that Rovers will be there or thereabouts but the present teams needs a little more quality in defence and only then will we be in the mix. It is going to be tough but exciting and can't wait.
Excellent, well balanced post.

Whilst I agree that we have a good "first team" and should be trying for a playoff spot most fans on here are WAY over estamating our chances whilst massively under rating many of our opponents.

For example - We are playing a 46 game season, compare our squad with that of Derbys. We currently have 8 or 9 excellent players but the replacement players (Etuhu, Varney, Henley etc) are way below the quality of fringe players in these other squads. Therefore inorder to make the top 6 we will need to stay lucky and avoid an injury crisis otherwise we will be a very average side.

Also, most posters on here are under rating the sides that have just come down. They will have a HUGE financial advantage over us, the are not going to be imediatlely worried by FFP (it dosent kick in until after a side has been in the division for 12 months) and both Norwich and Cardiff are financially sound and have plenty of lower level premier league players or top championship players on their books (players that would walk into our first team) and have the money to go out and buy even more.

Also, fans are reading too much into the fact that we finished 8th last season and 15th the season before and therefore we are "improving" therefore they argue logically that we will finish higher this coming season. Unfortunately league football dosent work like that. Last season Watford were crap but they lost in the play off finals from the previous season. Also, in the last 5 seasons in the championship the team that finished 7th finished mid table EVERY TIME in the following season but if you'd have asked their fans in the summer after finishing 7th I'll guarantee that all their fans would have said exactly what most fans on here have said "we're improving, the teams a year older, gelling, next season we'll have one of the best teams in the division etc etc" - but rarely does it work out like that.

Also, look at last season - Burnley, crap, small club, small squad, small fan base and one of the favorites for relegation - ended up 2nd (shows that non of us can really tell).

Also, I think many are over rating GB as a manager and therefore overrating slightly our chances. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big GB fan and he did a superb job for us last year but he isnt at the managerial level of Steve MaClaren and I also think that Rossler at Wigan, given a full summer to bring in his own players and a full pre season to get his side playing the way he really wants could well prove to be a manager of imense quality who could go onto manage much bigger clubs than Wigan in the not too distant future.

Also, to have ANY chance of a possible top 6 I think that we must avoid a transfer embargo AND hold onto Rhodes, Hanley, Cairney and Conway - in my opionion if we lose any of these 4 players through transfers or longterm injury than we will struggle to be higher than mid table.

I hope I'm wrong but I think most Rovers fans are reading far too much into our good run at the end of the season and not enough time at our lack of squad depth and financial problems - 6th place finish would be a great achievement for GB, top 2 no chance.
Cardiff - read rovers when we went down. our owners may be clueless but they are not clueless and despotic

Fulham - total turmoil - their owner seems to be another nutter and they are going through managers like we did

Norwich - speak to any canary and they will tell you there is a lot wrong at Carrow road

Watford - very different teams the two years you are making comparisons against and their ownership structure pretty much guarantees they will have a fluid first team

Wigan - mountains of debt and your words that Rossler "could well prove" is good choice of words - GB could also well prove. Its only now that we are finally exorcising the zombies from our side and as GBs team slotted together - we got better throughout season

Derby - I agree that they will probably be champions. Loads of supporters hate McLaren - when he was bandied about as a potential rovers boss...loads on here were up in arms.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronaldpetercooper[/bold] wrote: I really do believe that the relegated clubs will do quite well. Norwich, contrary to above comments, were a decent side but could not score and I expect them to sign a decent scorer to put that right. They are also sound financially and will battle it out with Derby and Wigan for top spot. Expect Cardiff to be there or thereabouts and no doubt Notts Forrest and possibly Reading will be trying very hard. If Birmingham and Leeds sort out their finances they could also make this a much better and more competitive league than last. There are other teams who could surprise us. Yes I do believe that Rovers will be there or thereabouts but the present teams needs a little more quality in defence and only then will we be in the mix. It is going to be tough but exciting and can't wait.[/p][/quote]Excellent, well balanced post. Whilst I agree that we have a good "first team" and should be trying for a playoff spot most fans on here are WAY over estamating our chances whilst massively under rating many of our opponents. For example - We are playing a 46 game season, compare our squad with that of Derbys. We currently have 8 or 9 excellent players but the replacement players (Etuhu, Varney, Henley etc) are way below the quality of fringe players in these other squads. Therefore inorder to make the top 6 we will need to stay lucky and avoid an injury crisis otherwise we will be a very average side. Also, most posters on here are under rating the sides that have just come down. They will have a HUGE financial advantage over us, the are not going to be imediatlely worried by FFP (it dosent kick in until after a side has been in the division for 12 months) and both Norwich and Cardiff are financially sound and have plenty of lower level premier league players or top championship players on their books (players that would walk into our first team) and have the money to go out and buy even more. Also, fans are reading too much into the fact that we finished 8th last season and 15th the season before and therefore we are "improving" therefore they argue logically that we will finish higher this coming season. Unfortunately league football dosent work like that. Last season Watford were crap but they lost in the play off finals from the previous season. Also, in the last 5 seasons in the championship the team that finished 7th finished mid table EVERY TIME in the following season but if you'd have asked their fans in the summer after finishing 7th I'll guarantee that all their fans would have said exactly what most fans on here have said "we're improving, the teams a year older, gelling, next season we'll have one of the best teams in the division etc etc" - but rarely does it work out like that. Also, look at last season - Burnley, crap, small club, small squad, small fan base and one of the favorites for relegation - ended up 2nd (shows that non of us can really tell). Also, I think many are over rating GB as a manager and therefore overrating slightly our chances. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big GB fan and he did a superb job for us last year but he isnt at the managerial level of Steve MaClaren and I also think that Rossler at Wigan, given a full summer to bring in his own players and a full pre season to get his side playing the way he really wants could well prove to be a manager of imense quality who could go onto manage much bigger clubs than Wigan in the not too distant future. Also, to have ANY chance of a possible top 6 I think that we must avoid a transfer embargo AND hold onto Rhodes, Hanley, Cairney and Conway - in my opionion if we lose any of these 4 players through transfers or longterm injury than we will struggle to be higher than mid table. I hope I'm wrong but I think most Rovers fans are reading far too much into our good run at the end of the season and not enough time at our lack of squad depth and financial problems - 6th place finish would be a great achievement for GB, top 2 no chance.[/p][/quote]Cardiff - read rovers when we went down. our owners may be clueless but they are not clueless and despotic Fulham - total turmoil - their owner seems to be another nutter and they are going through managers like we did Norwich - speak to any canary and they will tell you there is a lot wrong at Carrow road Watford - very different teams the two years you are making comparisons against and their ownership structure pretty much guarantees they will have a fluid first team Wigan - mountains of debt and your words that Rossler "could well prove" is good choice of words - GB could also well prove. Its only now that we are finally exorcising the zombies from our side and as GBs team slotted together - we got better throughout season Derby - I agree that they will probably be champions. Loads of supporters hate McLaren - when he was bandied about as a potential rovers boss...loads on here were up in arms. hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 2

4:22pm Wed 11 Jun 14

MattNewcastle says...

Thank goodness for Faz

An ex player / pundit whi doesn't just gloss over things.

Really carefully chosen statement.

interesting comments for me were:

Had a reasonable season.

Inference that we could / should have done better.

signings after January were better so alot of early signings were not good enough.

Team GBs total lack of experience as to what quality of players were required.
Thank goodness for Faz An ex player / pundit whi doesn't just gloss over things. Really carefully chosen statement. interesting comments for me were: Had a reasonable season. Inference that we could / should have done better. signings after January were better so alot of early signings were not good enough. Team GBs total lack of experience as to what quality of players were required. MattNewcastle
  • Score: 8

4:32pm Wed 11 Jun 14

MattNewcastle says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
MatthewCA wrote: This season is OUR Season, We have to top the table from the start and continue with our strength. We need quality players as backup, Last season couple of reds cards and departure of Scott Dann create some imbalance in the shape of the team. This we need to cover with quality players and Hope players give there 100% in the pitch and make FANS happy.
Hanley needs to show more maturity - he can be a (big)headless chicken at times (no joke intended)
Totally agree

He lost the plot agaonst Wigan and should have been sent off along with their plater for smacking him one unseen by ref or linesman!!
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: This season is OUR Season, We have to top the table from the start and continue with our strength. We need quality players as backup, Last season couple of reds cards and departure of Scott Dann create some imbalance in the shape of the team. This we need to cover with quality players and Hope players give there 100% in the pitch and make FANS happy.[/p][/quote]Hanley needs to show more maturity - he can be a (big)headless chicken at times (no joke intended)[/p][/quote]Totally agree He lost the plot agaonst Wigan and should have been sent off along with their plater for smacking him one unseen by ref or linesman!! MattNewcastle
  • Score: 4

5:33pm Wed 11 Jun 14

owd nick says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
i see the resident village idiot has had to change its sign-in again, so looks like the LT has finally acted - regrettably it is back under yet another name.

you really could get more sense from an upturned tin of alphabetti spaghetti.
I doubt it, Stupid Clueless has so many ID's going he just switches them round every time two of his brain cells collide, it's a random thing, just envisage a goldfish in a bowl.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: i see the resident village idiot has had to change its sign-in again, so looks like the LT has finally acted - regrettably it is back under yet another name. you really could get more sense from an upturned tin of alphabetti spaghetti.[/p][/quote]I doubt it, Stupid Clueless has so many ID's going he just switches them round every time two of his brain cells collide, it's a random thing, just envisage a goldfish in a bowl. owd nick
  • Score: 3

5:43pm Wed 11 Jun 14

owd nick says...

Interesting one from Sporting Intelligence.

"Man City and PSG will now have easier home grown player requirements (5 not 8) in the Champions League next season" #FairPLay? on Twitter.

So part of the penalty they incurred under FFP, a reduction in their Champions League squads from 25 to 21 has been offset to allow them to use their expensive foreign exports and reduce their number of home grown players.

Meanwhile all the other clubs that qualified will still have to have 8 home grown players in their 25.

Not really a penalty is it?
Interesting one from Sporting Intelligence. "Man City and PSG will now have easier home grown player requirements (5 not 8) in the Champions League next season" #FairPLay? on Twitter. So part of the penalty they incurred under FFP, a reduction in their Champions League squads from 25 to 21 has been offset to allow them to use their expensive foreign exports and reduce their number of home grown players. Meanwhile all the other clubs that qualified will still have to have 8 home grown players in their 25. Not really a penalty is it? owd nick
  • Score: 1

6:02pm Wed 11 Jun 14

owd nick says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Ronaldpetercooper wrote:
I really do believe that the relegated clubs will do quite well. Norwich, contrary to above comments, were a decent side but could not score and I expect them to sign a decent scorer to put that right. They are also sound financially and will battle it out with Derby and Wigan for top spot. Expect Cardiff to be there or thereabouts and no doubt Notts Forrest and possibly Reading will be trying very hard. If Birmingham and Leeds sort out their finances they could also make this a much better and more competitive league than last. There are other teams who could surprise us.
Yes I do believe that Rovers will be there or thereabouts but the present teams needs a little more quality in defence and only then will we be in the mix. It is going to be tough but exciting and can't wait.
Excellent, well balanced post.

Whilst I agree that we have a good "first team" and should be trying for a playoff spot most fans on here are WAY over estamating our chances whilst massively under rating many of our opponents.

For example - We are playing a 46 game season, compare our squad with that of Derbys. We currently have 8 or 9 excellent players but the replacement players (Etuhu, Varney, Henley etc) are way below the quality of fringe players in these other squads. Therefore inorder to make the top 6 we will need to stay lucky and avoid an injury crisis otherwise we will be a very average side.

Also, most posters on here are under rating the sides that have just come down. They will have a HUGE financial advantage over us, the are not going to be imediatlely worried by FFP (it dosent kick in until after a side has been in the division for 12 months) and both Norwich and Cardiff are financially sound and have plenty of lower level premier league players or top championship players on their books (players that would walk into our first team) and have the money to go out and buy even more.

Also, fans are reading too much into the fact that we finished 8th last season and 15th the season before and therefore we are "improving" therefore they argue logically that we will finish higher this coming season. Unfortunately league football dosent work like that. Last season Watford were crap but they lost in the play off finals from the previous season. Also, in the last 5 seasons in the championship the team that finished 7th finished mid table EVERY TIME in the following season but if you'd have asked their fans in the summer after finishing 7th I'll guarantee that all their fans would have said exactly what most fans on here have said "we're improving, the teams a year older, gelling, next season we'll have one of the best teams in the division etc etc" - but rarely does it work out like that.

Also, look at last season - Burnley, crap, small club, small squad, small fan base and one of the favorites for relegation - ended up 2nd (shows that non of us can really tell).

Also, I think many are over rating GB as a manager and therefore overrating slightly our chances. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big GB fan and he did a superb job for us last year but he isnt at the managerial level of Steve MaClaren and I also think that Rossler at Wigan, given a full summer to bring in his own players and a full pre season to get his side playing the way he really wants could well prove to be a manager of imense quality who could go onto manage much bigger clubs than Wigan in the not too distant future.

Also, to have ANY chance of a possible top 6 I think that we must avoid a transfer embargo AND hold onto Rhodes, Hanley, Cairney and Conway - in my opionion if we lose any of these 4 players through transfers or longterm injury than we will struggle to be higher than mid table.

I hope I'm wrong but I think most Rovers fans are reading far too much into our good run at the end of the season and not enough time at our lack of squad depth and financial problems - 6th place finish would be a great achievement for GB, top 2 no chance.
Cardiff - read rovers when we went down. our owners may be clueless but they are not clueless and despotic

Fulham - total turmoil - their owner seems to be another nutter and they are going through managers like we did

Norwich - speak to any canary and they will tell you there is a lot wrong at Carrow road

Watford - very different teams the two years you are making comparisons against and their ownership structure pretty much guarantees they will have a fluid first team

Wigan - mountains of debt and your words that Rossler "could well prove" is good choice of words - GB could also well prove. Its only now that we are finally exorcising the zombies from our side and as GBs team slotted together - we got better throughout season

Derby - I agree that they will probably be champions. Loads of supporters hate McLaren - when he was bandied about as a potential rovers boss...loads on here were up in arms.
My pennyworth for what its worth.

Cardiff - Tan will look to offset his investment in the club against their earnings last season, the fans are up in arms, if they push too hard he could walk, and that will be the end of them.

Fulham - Difficult, aging squad all on PL salaries, the parachute payments won't last long (aka Rovers) they won't be able to offload because their will be a surplus of players around because of FFP.

Norwich - May look financially sound but it costs an awful lot of money to be mediocre in the PL these days, they may be in a similar position to Fulham (and Rovers) , unable to unload players because of the contracts they are on.

We know from experience at Ewood, players coming down from the PL think they are too good for the Championship, QPR being a good example last season, they kept most of their players, incurring massive debts doing so, and just about scraped through the play offs.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronaldpetercooper[/bold] wrote: I really do believe that the relegated clubs will do quite well. Norwich, contrary to above comments, were a decent side but could not score and I expect them to sign a decent scorer to put that right. They are also sound financially and will battle it out with Derby and Wigan for top spot. Expect Cardiff to be there or thereabouts and no doubt Notts Forrest and possibly Reading will be trying very hard. If Birmingham and Leeds sort out their finances they could also make this a much better and more competitive league than last. There are other teams who could surprise us. Yes I do believe that Rovers will be there or thereabouts but the present teams needs a little more quality in defence and only then will we be in the mix. It is going to be tough but exciting and can't wait.[/p][/quote]Excellent, well balanced post. Whilst I agree that we have a good "first team" and should be trying for a playoff spot most fans on here are WAY over estamating our chances whilst massively under rating many of our opponents. For example - We are playing a 46 game season, compare our squad with that of Derbys. We currently have 8 or 9 excellent players but the replacement players (Etuhu, Varney, Henley etc) are way below the quality of fringe players in these other squads. Therefore inorder to make the top 6 we will need to stay lucky and avoid an injury crisis otherwise we will be a very average side. Also, most posters on here are under rating the sides that have just come down. They will have a HUGE financial advantage over us, the are not going to be imediatlely worried by FFP (it dosent kick in until after a side has been in the division for 12 months) and both Norwich and Cardiff are financially sound and have plenty of lower level premier league players or top championship players on their books (players that would walk into our first team) and have the money to go out and buy even more. Also, fans are reading too much into the fact that we finished 8th last season and 15th the season before and therefore we are "improving" therefore they argue logically that we will finish higher this coming season. Unfortunately league football dosent work like that. Last season Watford were crap but they lost in the play off finals from the previous season. Also, in the last 5 seasons in the championship the team that finished 7th finished mid table EVERY TIME in the following season but if you'd have asked their fans in the summer after finishing 7th I'll guarantee that all their fans would have said exactly what most fans on here have said "we're improving, the teams a year older, gelling, next season we'll have one of the best teams in the division etc etc" - but rarely does it work out like that. Also, look at last season - Burnley, crap, small club, small squad, small fan base and one of the favorites for relegation - ended up 2nd (shows that non of us can really tell). Also, I think many are over rating GB as a manager and therefore overrating slightly our chances. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big GB fan and he did a superb job for us last year but he isnt at the managerial level of Steve MaClaren and I also think that Rossler at Wigan, given a full summer to bring in his own players and a full pre season to get his side playing the way he really wants could well prove to be a manager of imense quality who could go onto manage much bigger clubs than Wigan in the not too distant future. Also, to have ANY chance of a possible top 6 I think that we must avoid a transfer embargo AND hold onto Rhodes, Hanley, Cairney and Conway - in my opionion if we lose any of these 4 players through transfers or longterm injury than we will struggle to be higher than mid table. I hope I'm wrong but I think most Rovers fans are reading far too much into our good run at the end of the season and not enough time at our lack of squad depth and financial problems - 6th place finish would be a great achievement for GB, top 2 no chance.[/p][/quote]Cardiff - read rovers when we went down. our owners may be clueless but they are not clueless and despotic Fulham - total turmoil - their owner seems to be another nutter and they are going through managers like we did Norwich - speak to any canary and they will tell you there is a lot wrong at Carrow road Watford - very different teams the two years you are making comparisons against and their ownership structure pretty much guarantees they will have a fluid first team Wigan - mountains of debt and your words that Rossler "could well prove" is good choice of words - GB could also well prove. Its only now that we are finally exorcising the zombies from our side and as GBs team slotted together - we got better throughout season Derby - I agree that they will probably be champions. Loads of supporters hate McLaren - when he was bandied about as a potential rovers boss...loads on here were up in arms.[/p][/quote]My pennyworth for what its worth. Cardiff - Tan will look to offset his investment in the club against their earnings last season, the fans are up in arms, if they push too hard he could walk, and that will be the end of them. Fulham - Difficult, aging squad all on PL salaries, the parachute payments won't last long (aka Rovers) they won't be able to offload because their will be a surplus of players around because of FFP. Norwich - May look financially sound but it costs an awful lot of money to be mediocre in the PL these days, they may be in a similar position to Fulham (and Rovers) , unable to unload players because of the contracts they are on. We know from experience at Ewood, players coming down from the PL think they are too good for the Championship, QPR being a good example last season, they kept most of their players, incurring massive debts doing so, and just about scraped through the play offs. owd nick
  • Score: 0

6:06pm Wed 11 Jun 14

roverstid says...

.Lancs _ Pensioner wrote:
Hang on a minute Faz was this not the ambition last season to finish in the top 6 or automatic promotion.
With 61 players on the books this did'nt quite work out did it.
Oh wel with FFP rules soon upon us and Bowyers negative tactics we might just might stay in the Championship next season

Out with the Cowboys and Indians

And that mouldy git Old age pensioner.
"Out with the..."

Whoops. Proof that Dingle Dave is indeed a Dingle.

I wonder how many logins the schizophrenic Dingle is using? Must be a full-time job.
[quote][p][bold].Lancs _ Pensioner[/bold] wrote: Hang on a minute Faz was this not the ambition last season to finish in the top 6 or automatic promotion. With 61 players on the books this did'nt quite work out did it. Oh wel with FFP rules soon upon us and Bowyers negative tactics we might just might stay in the Championship next season Out with the Cowboys and Indians And that mouldy git Old age pensioner.[/p][/quote]"Out with the..." Whoops. Proof that Dingle Dave is indeed a Dingle. I wonder how many logins the schizophrenic Dingle is using? Must be a full-time job. roverstid
  • Score: 2

6:23pm Wed 11 Jun 14

roverstid says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
MatthewCA wrote:
This season is OUR Season, We have to top the table from the start and continue with our strength.

We need quality players as backup, Last season couple of reds cards and departure of Scott Dann create some imbalance in the shape of the team. This we need to cover with quality players and Hope players give there 100% in the pitch and make FANS happy.
Hanley needs to show more maturity - he can be a (big)headless chicken at times (no joke intended)
I hate to say it but I'd happily part with Hanley, he's a liability at the best of times. Last season he alone cost us three valuable points with the red card incident where I thought we were dominant up to that point in the Wigan game, we looked well up to taking all three points.

Apart from that his hot headed bullish attitude is not what you expect from an international professional footballer. If I remember rightly Kilgallon said it looked like he had Powell in a figure four leglock! What made it worse for me was he had the captains arm band.. Shameful for someone whose supposed to be leading the squad.

It's not the only incident either. Granted he's young and obviously a very strong talented player but he needs to grow up and learn quickly if we're to have any chances of promotion next season.

On that note, who do any of you think would be good captain material?
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: This season is OUR Season, We have to top the table from the start and continue with our strength. We need quality players as backup, Last season couple of reds cards and departure of Scott Dann create some imbalance in the shape of the team. This we need to cover with quality players and Hope players give there 100% in the pitch and make FANS happy.[/p][/quote]Hanley needs to show more maturity - he can be a (big)headless chicken at times (no joke intended)[/p][/quote]I hate to say it but I'd happily part with Hanley, he's a liability at the best of times. Last season he alone cost us three valuable points with the red card incident where I thought we were dominant up to that point in the Wigan game, we looked well up to taking all three points. Apart from that his hot headed bullish attitude is not what you expect from an international professional footballer. If I remember rightly Kilgallon said it looked like he had Powell in a figure four leglock! What made it worse for me was he had the captains arm band.. Shameful for someone whose supposed to be leading the squad. It's not the only incident either. Granted he's young and obviously a very strong talented player but he needs to grow up and learn quickly if we're to have any chances of promotion next season. On that note, who do any of you think would be good captain material? roverstid
  • Score: 1

7:17pm Wed 11 Jun 14

crankitup says...

to be honest.....i'm sick of all the propaganda....just waiting for the ref to place the ball on the centre spot......and let the lads do the talking.....no dis-respect faz.....but my confidence in the talk has taken a battering over the past few seasons.....so forgive my pessimism
to be honest.....i'm sick of all the propaganda....just waiting for the ref to place the ball on the centre spot......and let the lads do the talking.....no dis-respect faz.....but my confidence in the talk has taken a battering over the past few seasons.....so forgive my pessimism crankitup
  • Score: 4

9:57pm Wed 11 Jun 14

MattNewcastle says...

roverstid wrote:
hasslem hasslem wrote:
MatthewCA wrote: This season is OUR Season, We have to top the table from the start and continue with our strength. We need quality players as backup, Last season couple of reds cards and departure of Scott Dann create some imbalance in the shape of the team. This we need to cover with quality players and Hope players give there 100% in the pitch and make FANS happy.
Hanley needs to show more maturity - he can be a (big)headless chicken at times (no joke intended)
I hate to say it but I'd happily part with Hanley, he's a liability at the best of times. Last season he alone cost us three valuable points with the red card incident where I thought we were dominant up to that point in the Wigan game, we looked well up to taking all three points. Apart from that his hot headed bullish attitude is not what you expect from an international professional footballer. If I remember rightly Kilgallon said it looked like he had Powell in a figure four leglock! What made it worse for me was he had the captains arm band.. Shameful for someone whose supposed to be leading the squad. It's not the only incident either. Granted he's young and obviously a very strong talented player but he needs to grow up and learn quickly if we're to have any chances of promotion next season. On that note, who do any of you think would be good captain material?
Id give the captaincy to Cairney and be done with it.

He will comman 100% a first team place if he stays injury free and I thunk his ability is acknowledged by all the players.

young but appears very driven
[quote][p][bold]roverstid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: This season is OUR Season, We have to top the table from the start and continue with our strength. We need quality players as backup, Last season couple of reds cards and departure of Scott Dann create some imbalance in the shape of the team. This we need to cover with quality players and Hope players give there 100% in the pitch and make FANS happy.[/p][/quote]Hanley needs to show more maturity - he can be a (big)headless chicken at times (no joke intended)[/p][/quote]I hate to say it but I'd happily part with Hanley, he's a liability at the best of times. Last season he alone cost us three valuable points with the red card incident where I thought we were dominant up to that point in the Wigan game, we looked well up to taking all three points. Apart from that his hot headed bullish attitude is not what you expect from an international professional footballer. If I remember rightly Kilgallon said it looked like he had Powell in a figure four leglock! What made it worse for me was he had the captains arm band.. Shameful for someone whose supposed to be leading the squad. It's not the only incident either. Granted he's young and obviously a very strong talented player but he needs to grow up and learn quickly if we're to have any chances of promotion next season. On that note, who do any of you think would be good captain material?[/p][/quote]Id give the captaincy to Cairney and be done with it. He will comman 100% a first team place if he stays injury free and I thunk his ability is acknowledged by all the players. young but appears very driven MattNewcastle
  • Score: 1

10:41pm Wed 11 Jun 14

digitusjonfred says...

look.up.blackburn. wrote:
One small matter has been overlooked here.... that being Financial Fair Play.

Blackburn Rovers are about to be saddled with a transfer ban for non-compliance and as a result will have to sell players at below market value whilst being unable to bring in equivalent replacements.

What part of this do Blackburn fans not understand?

According to several sources in the media and these very message boards, a cost cutting exercise to the tune of £25million is expected over the coming season as a result of the large bill wage and additional £8million deficit from the reduction in parachute payments.

A slow start will put Bowyer under immense pressure and I suspect he will fail to bring about the results necessary to have any impact whatsoever in easily the most competitive Championship ever, with Fulham, Cardiff and Norwich able to bolster their squad for an instant return with the enhanced £60million parachute payments, whilst Derby, Nottingham Forest, Reading, Watford, Wigan and Bolton will also be chasing automatic promotion.

A top six finish is simply fantasy.
Bolton, stop smoking crap !!
[quote][p][bold]look.up.blackburn.[/bold] wrote: One small matter has been overlooked here.... that being Financial Fair Play. Blackburn Rovers are about to be saddled with a transfer ban for non-compliance and as a result will have to sell players at below market value whilst being unable to bring in equivalent replacements. What part of this do Blackburn fans not understand? According to several sources in the media and these very message boards, a cost cutting exercise to the tune of £25million is expected over the coming season as a result of the large bill wage and additional £8million deficit from the reduction in parachute payments. A slow start will put Bowyer under immense pressure and I suspect he will fail to bring about the results necessary to have any impact whatsoever in easily the most competitive Championship ever, with Fulham, Cardiff and Norwich able to bolster their squad for an instant return with the enhanced £60million parachute payments, whilst Derby, Nottingham Forest, Reading, Watford, Wigan and Bolton will also be chasing automatic promotion. A top six finish is simply fantasy.[/p][/quote]Bolton, stop smoking crap !! digitusjonfred
  • Score: 0

7:13am Thu 12 Jun 14

Roverthere says...

McClaret wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Ronaldpetercooper wrote:
I really do believe that the relegated clubs will do quite well. Norwich, contrary to above comments, were a decent side but could not score and I expect them to sign a decent scorer to put that right. They are also sound financially and will battle it out with Derby and Wigan for top spot. Expect Cardiff to be there or thereabouts and no doubt Notts Forrest and possibly Reading will be trying very hard. If Birmingham and Leeds sort out their finances they could also make this a much better and more competitive league than last. There are other teams who could surprise us.
Yes I do believe that Rovers will be there or thereabouts but the present teams needs a little more quality in defence and only then will we be in the mix. It is going to be tough but exciting and can't wait.
Excellent, well balanced post.

Whilst I agree that we have a good "first team" and should be trying for a playoff spot most fans on here are WAY over estamating our chances whilst massively under rating many of our opponents.

For example - We are playing a 46 game season, compare our squad with that of Derbys. We currently have 8 or 9 excellent players but the replacement players (Etuhu, Varney, Henley etc) are way below the quality of fringe players in these other squads. Therefore inorder to make the top 6 we will need to stay lucky and avoid an injury crisis otherwise we will be a very average side.

Also, most posters on here are under rating the sides that have just come down. They will have a HUGE financial advantage over us, the are not going to be imediatlely worried by FFP (it dosent kick in until after a side has been in the division for 12 months) and both Norwich and Cardiff are financially sound and have plenty of lower level premier league players or top championship players on their books (players that would walk into our first team) and have the money to go out and buy even more.

Also, fans are reading too much into the fact that we finished 8th last season and 15th the season before and therefore we are "improving" therefore they argue logically that we will finish higher this coming season. Unfortunately league football dosent work like that. Last season Watford were crap but they lost in the play off finals from the previous season. Also, in the last 5 seasons in the championship the team that finished 7th finished mid table EVERY TIME in the following season but if you'd have asked their fans in the summer after finishing 7th I'll guarantee that all their fans would have said exactly what most fans on here have said "we're improving, the teams a year older, gelling, next season we'll have one of the best teams in the division etc etc" - but rarely does it work out like that.

Also, look at last season - Burnley, crap, small club, small squad, small fan base and one of the favorites for relegation - ended up 2nd (shows that non of us can really tell).

Also, I think many are over rating GB as a manager and therefore overrating slightly our chances. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big GB fan and he did a superb job for us last year but he isnt at the managerial level of Steve MaClaren and I also think that Rossler at Wigan, given a full summer to bring in his own players and a full pre season to get his side playing the way he really wants could well prove to be a manager of imense quality who could go onto manage much bigger clubs than Wigan in the not too distant future.

Also, to have ANY chance of a possible top 6 I think that we must avoid a transfer embargo AND hold onto Rhodes, Hanley, Cairney and Conway - in my opionion if we lose any of these 4 players through transfers or longterm injury than we will struggle to be higher than mid table.

I hope I'm wrong but I think most Rovers fans are reading far too much into our good run at the end of the season and not enough time at our lack of squad depth and financial problems - 6th place finish would be a great achievement for GB, top 2 no chance.
Nicely balanced post and I agree with those who say that the relegated teams are likely to be strong. Because of FFP the teams coming down either have to cut their cloth or take the gamble whilst they have the window of opportunity. I fuly expect Cardiff to buy their way back such as QPR did. This leaves 2 spots available and most expect Wigan to be up there leaving possibly 1.
As usual it should make for an interesting Championship season, unlike the prem where you can virtually name the top six, middle six and bottom 8 before a ball is kicked.
And the bottom place!
[quote][p][bold]McClaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronaldpetercooper[/bold] wrote: I really do believe that the relegated clubs will do quite well. Norwich, contrary to above comments, were a decent side but could not score and I expect them to sign a decent scorer to put that right. They are also sound financially and will battle it out with Derby and Wigan for top spot. Expect Cardiff to be there or thereabouts and no doubt Notts Forrest and possibly Reading will be trying very hard. If Birmingham and Leeds sort out their finances they could also make this a much better and more competitive league than last. There are other teams who could surprise us. Yes I do believe that Rovers will be there or thereabouts but the present teams needs a little more quality in defence and only then will we be in the mix. It is going to be tough but exciting and can't wait.[/p][/quote]Excellent, well balanced post. Whilst I agree that we have a good "first team" and should be trying for a playoff spot most fans on here are WAY over estamating our chances whilst massively under rating many of our opponents. For example - We are playing a 46 game season, compare our squad with that of Derbys. We currently have 8 or 9 excellent players but the replacement players (Etuhu, Varney, Henley etc) are way below the quality of fringe players in these other squads. Therefore inorder to make the top 6 we will need to stay lucky and avoid an injury crisis otherwise we will be a very average side. Also, most posters on here are under rating the sides that have just come down. They will have a HUGE financial advantage over us, the are not going to be imediatlely worried by FFP (it dosent kick in until after a side has been in the division for 12 months) and both Norwich and Cardiff are financially sound and have plenty of lower level premier league players or top championship players on their books (players that would walk into our first team) and have the money to go out and buy even more. Also, fans are reading too much into the fact that we finished 8th last season and 15th the season before and therefore we are "improving" therefore they argue logically that we will finish higher this coming season. Unfortunately league football dosent work like that. Last season Watford were crap but they lost in the play off finals from the previous season. Also, in the last 5 seasons in the championship the team that finished 7th finished mid table EVERY TIME in the following season but if you'd have asked their fans in the summer after finishing 7th I'll guarantee that all their fans would have said exactly what most fans on here have said "we're improving, the teams a year older, gelling, next season we'll have one of the best teams in the division etc etc" - but rarely does it work out like that. Also, look at last season - Burnley, crap, small club, small squad, small fan base and one of the favorites for relegation - ended up 2nd (shows that non of us can really tell). Also, I think many are over rating GB as a manager and therefore overrating slightly our chances. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big GB fan and he did a superb job for us last year but he isnt at the managerial level of Steve MaClaren and I also think that Rossler at Wigan, given a full summer to bring in his own players and a full pre season to get his side playing the way he really wants could well prove to be a manager of imense quality who could go onto manage much bigger clubs than Wigan in the not too distant future. Also, to have ANY chance of a possible top 6 I think that we must avoid a transfer embargo AND hold onto Rhodes, Hanley, Cairney and Conway - in my opionion if we lose any of these 4 players through transfers or longterm injury than we will struggle to be higher than mid table. I hope I'm wrong but I think most Rovers fans are reading far too much into our good run at the end of the season and not enough time at our lack of squad depth and financial problems - 6th place finish would be a great achievement for GB, top 2 no chance.[/p][/quote]Nicely balanced post and I agree with those who say that the relegated teams are likely to be strong. Because of FFP the teams coming down either have to cut their cloth or take the gamble whilst they have the window of opportunity. I fuly expect Cardiff to buy their way back such as QPR did. This leaves 2 spots available and most expect Wigan to be up there leaving possibly 1. As usual it should make for an interesting Championship season, unlike the prem where you can virtually name the top six, middle six and bottom 8 before a ball is kicked.[/p][/quote]And the bottom place! Roverthere
  • Score: 1

8:37am Thu 12 Jun 14

Rovers 1495 says...

Steven Seagull wrote:
Rovers 1495 wrote:
Maybe even automatic promotion ... not me saying it

http://www.examiner.


co.uk/sport/football


/news/20142015-champ


ionship---what-hudde


rsfield-7245062
Ha ha, priceless. A no-dad semi on because a reporter for a Huddersfield rag wrote whilst in a drunken stupor that Blackburn might finish 2nd.

Doesn't take much to get them excited.
You lot will be walking round all summer with permanent boners, until the first kick of the new season when you get your bottoms smacked every week, becoming floppier and floppier, enjoy it while it lasts

Ha ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
Ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha
Ha ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
Ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha
Ha ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
Ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha
Ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
[quote][p][bold]Steven Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rovers 1495[/bold] wrote: Maybe even automatic promotion ... not me saying it http://www.examiner. co.uk/sport/football /news/20142015-champ ionship---what-hudde rsfield-7245062[/p][/quote]Ha ha, priceless. A no-dad semi on because a reporter for a Huddersfield rag wrote whilst in a drunken stupor that Blackburn might finish 2nd. Doesn't take much to get them excited.[/p][/quote]You lot will be walking round all summer with permanent boners, until the first kick of the new season when you get your bottoms smacked every week, becoming floppier and floppier, enjoy it while it lasts Ha ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha-ha Ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha Ha ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha-ha Ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha Ha ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha-ha Ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha Ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha Rovers 1495
  • Score: 3

9:03am Thu 12 Jun 14

look.up.blackburn. says...

LOL

Look at that communal no-dad semi... wont it be funny when it all goes decidedly floppy after ten games and the gap to the top six is stretching by the week, Bowyer will be under pressure and Venky's will be keeping a low profile. Protests will start up again, then the boycott's, and supporters turning on the players and each other again... the farce continues.

Disgraceful football club.
LOL Look at that communal no-dad semi... wont it be funny when it all goes decidedly floppy after ten games and the gap to the top six is stretching by the week, Bowyer will be under pressure and Venky's will be keeping a low profile. Protests will start up again, then the boycott's, and supporters turning on the players and each other again... the farce continues. Disgraceful football club. look.up.blackburn.
  • Score: -4

9:21am Thu 12 Jun 14

dallydally says...

Enough of this crystal ball gazing. Next May will give us the answer
Enough of this crystal ball gazing. Next May will give us the answer dallydally
  • Score: 2

9:49am Thu 12 Jun 14

Old age pensioner says...

look.up.blackburn. wrote:
LOL

Look at that communal no-dad semi... wont it be funny when it all goes decidedly floppy after ten games and the gap to the top six is stretching by the week, Bowyer will be under pressure and Venky's will be keeping a low profile. Protests will start up again, then the boycott's, and supporters turning on the players and each other again... the farce continues.

Disgraceful football club.
NH
[quote][p][bold]look.up.blackburn.[/bold] wrote: LOL Look at that communal no-dad semi... wont it be funny when it all goes decidedly floppy after ten games and the gap to the top six is stretching by the week, Bowyer will be under pressure and Venky's will be keeping a low profile. Protests will start up again, then the boycott's, and supporters turning on the players and each other again... the farce continues. Disgraceful football club.[/p][/quote]NH Old age pensioner
  • Score: 3

9:51am Thu 12 Jun 14

look.up.blackburn. says...

Old age pensioner suffers from a masochistic self-defeating personality disorder.

He gets aroused by fantasies about being humiliated, beaten, and tortured, he exhibits a pervasive pattern of self-defeating behaviour by being drawn to situations in which he will suffer while preventing others from helping him. He is gratified by degradation and looks forward to a regular beating from his master Super Claret.

You need help you sick old man.
Old age pensioner suffers from a masochistic self-defeating personality disorder. He gets aroused by fantasies about being humiliated, beaten, and tortured, he exhibits a pervasive pattern of self-defeating behaviour by being drawn to situations in which he will suffer while preventing others from helping him. He is gratified by degradation and looks forward to a regular beating from his master Super Claret. You need help you sick old man. look.up.blackburn.
  • Score: -4

9:57am Thu 12 Jun 14

Old age pensioner says...

look.up.blackburn. wrote:
Old age pensioner suffers from a masochistic self-defeating personality disorder.

He gets aroused by fantasies about being humiliated, beaten, and tortured, he exhibits a pervasive pattern of self-defeating behaviour by being drawn to situations in which he will suffer while preventing others from helping him. He is gratified by degradation and looks forward to a regular beating from his master Super Claret.

You need help you sick old man.
NH
[quote][p][bold]look.up.blackburn.[/bold] wrote: Old age pensioner suffers from a masochistic self-defeating personality disorder. He gets aroused by fantasies about being humiliated, beaten, and tortured, he exhibits a pervasive pattern of self-defeating behaviour by being drawn to situations in which he will suffer while preventing others from helping him. He is gratified by degradation and looks forward to a regular beating from his master Super Claret. You need help you sick old man.[/p][/quote]NH Old age pensioner
  • Score: 1

10:00am Thu 12 Jun 14

Richard Oakley says...

@ Steven Seagull Thank you kind sir for thinking Blackburn Rovers will reach round 2 of the capital one league cup. That's further than we made it last season. Glad to see you're acknowledging the team will do better this season than last
@ Steven Seagull Thank you kind sir for thinking Blackburn Rovers will reach round 2 of the capital one league cup. That's further than we made it last season. Glad to see you're acknowledging the team will do better this season than last Richard Oakley
  • Score: 3

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