Blackburn boss Bowyer backs loanee Todd Kane to step up after Henley injury

Adam Henley picked up his ankle injury in the draw with Leicester City

Todd Kane

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BLACKBURN Rovers boss Gary Bowyer has challenged Todd Kane to make the right-back position his own after Adam Henley was ruled out for the rest of the campaign.

Henley will not feature in any of the final 10 games after he became the eighth Rovers player this season to suffer an ankle injury when he was stretchered off in Saturday’s 1-1 draw with league leaders Leicester City.

Bowyer, whose side head to Watford tonight, is disappointed to lose the services of 19-year-old Henley but sees it as an opportunity for Kane to stake his claim.

“We’ve had Todd all season and now it’s a chance for him to cement that position and show that he is a good player,” said Bowyer, who may look for defensive cover in the loan market.

“In terms of cover we’ve also got the very versatile Jason Lowe who must have played in nearly every position for Blackburn Rovers bar in goal and up front.”

Kane started Rovers’ first 19 matches of the campaign after signing on a season-long loan from Chelsea.

But after picking up a suspension and then a thigh injury, the 20-year-old has been restricted to just three starts in the last 20 games.

Bowyer added: “All young players go through periods when they need to come out of the team for a breather.

“But when either (Kane or Henley) have they have come back into the team they have done magnificently well and now it’s an opportunity for Todd to do the same again.

“I remember when he was first left out he came back in against Blackpool at home and won man of the match. That’s the level of response that we need.”

Kane is expected to start against Watford tonight.

But Bowyer, who can also play midfielder Lowe or Michael Keane at right back, has not ruled out signing competition for Kane before the loan window shuts on Thursday.

He added: “We’ll see how we go against Watford and then we’ve got until Thursday at 5pm if we need to act.”

Bowyer would not be drawn on whether Lowe or captain Grant Hanley will be back from injury in time for tonight’s clash after both missed the weekend draw with Leicester.

But the Rovers boss did reveal that Tom Cairney is set to return for Saturday’s trip to Millwall after he came through a full training session for the first time since injuring his ankle in the 1-0 win at Reading on February 22.

Tonight’s match will come too early for the former Hull City midfielder.

Giuseppe Sannino’s Watford have won their last six games at home and have not conceded a goal at Vicarage Road in more than 10 hours of football.

But Rovers go into the encounter buoyed by a superb second-half performance against table-topping Leicester.

And Bowyer believes that will leave his side in good shape for tonight’s test.

He said: “Leicester’s comments after the game was that we gave them one of, if not the, hardest game they have had this season. That should give our players confidence but they’ve got to go and do it again.”

Rovers are currently nine points off the Championship play-off places with 10 matches remaining.

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9:50am Tue 25 Mar 14

MatthewCA says...

Have a good game, Enjoy and keep focus on next 3 points

All the best.
Have a good game, Enjoy and keep focus on next 3 points All the best. MatthewCA
  • Score: 11

9:55am Tue 25 Mar 14

owd nick says...

Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself.

Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three.

Simple as that.
Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself. Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three. Simple as that. owd nick
  • Score: 7

10:11am Tue 25 Mar 14

digitusjonfred says...

Put Lowe at right back,, go you mighty blues !!!!!!!!!!!!
Put Lowe at right back,, go you mighty blues !!!!!!!!!!!! digitusjonfred
  • Score: 6

11:03am Tue 25 Mar 14

Only1Garner says...

Lowe would get Left Back for me, left back at home, he must have some photos of Bowyer or something, I just cannot see why he seems to be an automatic choice when available.
Lowe would get Left Back for me, left back at home, he must have some photos of Bowyer or something, I just cannot see why he seems to be an automatic choice when available. Only1Garner
  • Score: -1

12:12pm Tue 25 Mar 14

hasslem hasslem says...

owd nick wrote:
Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself.

Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three.

Simple as that.
watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it.

apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr)
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself. Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three. Simple as that.[/p][/quote]watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it. apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr) hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 2

12:44pm Tue 25 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend

Kane is a poor defender

What do you want a Full Back to do?

First and foremost defend

He simply cannot defend

Hardly ever heads a ball clear

Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game

Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight

Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression

Slight breeze would knock him over.

Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back.

Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.
My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend Kane is a poor defender What do you want a Full Back to do? First and foremost defend He simply cannot defend Hardly ever heads a ball clear Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression Slight breeze would knock him over. Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back. Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back. MattNewcastle
  • Score: 0

12:45pm Tue 25 Mar 14

owd nick says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself.

Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three.

Simple as that.
watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it.

apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr)
There are a lot of Italian sounding names in their potential team for tonight LOL.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself. Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three. Simple as that.[/p][/quote]watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it. apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr)[/p][/quote]There are a lot of Italian sounding names in their potential team for tonight LOL. owd nick
  • Score: 0

12:48pm Tue 25 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

Oh so I don't get accused of not naming someone

Viv Anderson

Headed everything

Launched attacks

Very rarely let wingers get crosses in

Defended the back post brilliantly

Tackled with aggression

Had a real presence

All things Kane does not come close to doing and I don't take his age as an excuse.
Oh so I don't get accused of not naming someone Viv Anderson Headed everything Launched attacks Very rarely let wingers get crosses in Defended the back post brilliantly Tackled with aggression Had a real presence All things Kane does not come close to doing and I don't take his age as an excuse. MattNewcastle
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Tue 25 Mar 14

greenscreener says...

MattNewcastle wrote:
My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend

Kane is a poor defender

What do you want a Full Back to do?

First and foremost defend

He simply cannot defend

Hardly ever heads a ball clear

Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game

Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight

Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression

Slight breeze would knock him over.

Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back.

Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.
And yet in my opinion, he's slightly better than Henley in all aspects of defending. Last season he looked fairly solid, this season he's struggled to get a run of games and hasn't looked as confident.
[quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend Kane is a poor defender What do you want a Full Back to do? First and foremost defend He simply cannot defend Hardly ever heads a ball clear Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression Slight breeze would knock him over. Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back. Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.[/p][/quote]And yet in my opinion, he's slightly better than Henley in all aspects of defending. Last season he looked fairly solid, this season he's struggled to get a run of games and hasn't looked as confident. greenscreener
  • Score: 1

12:52pm Tue 25 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

owd nick wrote:
hasslem hasslem wrote:
owd nick wrote: Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself. Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three. Simple as that.
watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it. apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr)
There are a lot of Italian sounding names in their potential team for tonight LOL.
I watched Watford early season and they were outstanding so I don't know where the idea Zola was a bad manager comes from.

Draw tinigjt would be a very good result.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself. Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three. Simple as that.[/p][/quote]watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it. apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr)[/p][/quote]There are a lot of Italian sounding names in their potential team for tonight LOL.[/p][/quote]I watched Watford early season and they were outstanding so I don't know where the idea Zola was a bad manager comes from. Draw tinigjt would be a very good result. MattNewcastle
  • Score: 0

12:57pm Tue 25 Mar 14

owd nick says...

MattNewcastle wrote:
My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend

Kane is a poor defender

What do you want a Full Back to do?

First and foremost defend

He simply cannot defend

Hardly ever heads a ball clear

Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game

Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight

Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression

Slight breeze would knock him over.

Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back.

Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.
Ah, it's Kane's turn today, who tomorrow?

Matt, you will have been through the whole team and pointed out all their negatives by the end of the season, that suggests that you are hoping for a complete change by the start of next so you can start again.

I agree he isn't the most physical looking specimen but at the end of the day he is first and foremost a Chelsea player who has done a decent job for us on loan, and although I also agree that in football you need to be physically strong you also need something up top as well.

Whether you like it or not you do not get regular games at this standard if you are a donkey.

You need to look at it in more depth, our right hand side has been devastated by injury after injury this season, it's as though every time we play a game we lose a player.

The constant chopping, changing and criticism helps no one.
[quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend Kane is a poor defender What do you want a Full Back to do? First and foremost defend He simply cannot defend Hardly ever heads a ball clear Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression Slight breeze would knock him over. Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back. Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.[/p][/quote]Ah, it's Kane's turn today, who tomorrow? Matt, you will have been through the whole team and pointed out all their negatives by the end of the season, that suggests that you are hoping for a complete change by the start of next so you can start again. I agree he isn't the most physical looking specimen but at the end of the day he is first and foremost a Chelsea player who has done a decent job for us on loan, and although I also agree that in football you need to be physically strong you also need something up top as well. Whether you like it or not you do not get regular games at this standard if you are a donkey. You need to look at it in more depth, our right hand side has been devastated by injury after injury this season, it's as though every time we play a game we lose a player. The constant chopping, changing and criticism helps no one. owd nick
  • Score: 4

12:59pm Tue 25 Mar 14

owd nick says...

MattNewcastle wrote:
owd nick wrote:
hasslem hasslem wrote:
owd nick wrote: Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself. Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three. Simple as that.
watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it. apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr)
There are a lot of Italian sounding names in their potential team for tonight LOL.
I watched Watford early season and they were outstanding so I don't know where the idea Zola was a bad manager comes from.

Draw tinigjt would be a very good result.
Zola isn't a bad manager,I don't think he was sacked either, didn't he just say he couldn't take the team any further and walked?
[quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself. Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three. Simple as that.[/p][/quote]watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it. apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr)[/p][/quote]There are a lot of Italian sounding names in their potential team for tonight LOL.[/p][/quote]I watched Watford early season and they were outstanding so I don't know where the idea Zola was a bad manager comes from. Draw tinigjt would be a very good result.[/p][/quote]Zola isn't a bad manager,I don't think he was sacked either, didn't he just say he couldn't take the team any further and walked? owd nick
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Tue 25 Mar 14

hasslem hasslem says...

MattNewcastle wrote:
owd nick wrote:
hasslem hasslem wrote:
owd nick wrote: Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself. Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three. Simple as that.
watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it. apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr)
There are a lot of Italian sounding names in their potential team for tonight LOL.
I watched Watford early season and they were outstanding so I don't know where the idea Zola was a bad manager comes from.

Draw tinigjt would be a very good result.
cos he screwed it at weztam and couldnt get an excellent squad (not assembled by him) promoted last season and was rubbish this season for most most of his games.....simple really.
[quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself. Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three. Simple as that.[/p][/quote]watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it. apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr)[/p][/quote]There are a lot of Italian sounding names in their potential team for tonight LOL.[/p][/quote]I watched Watford early season and they were outstanding so I don't know where the idea Zola was a bad manager comes from. Draw tinigjt would be a very good result.[/p][/quote]cos he screwed it at weztam and couldnt get an excellent squad (not assembled by him) promoted last season and was rubbish this season for most most of his games.....simple really. hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 0

1:06pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Is Eckersley playing? says...

The 'crowd' do seem to be enjoying the match don't they? Like they say, a picture is worth t a thousand words!
The 'crowd' do seem to be enjoying the match don't they? Like they say, a picture is worth t a thousand words! Is Eckersley playing?
  • Score: -1

1:14pm Tue 25 Mar 14

hasslem hasslem says...

owd nick wrote:
MattNewcastle wrote:
owd nick wrote:
hasslem hasslem wrote:
owd nick wrote: Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself. Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three. Simple as that.
watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it. apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr)
There are a lot of Italian sounding names in their potential team for tonight LOL.
I watched Watford early season and they were outstanding so I don't know where the idea Zola was a bad manager comes from.

Draw tinigjt would be a very good result.
Zola isn't a bad manager,I don't think he was sacked either, didn't he just say he couldn't take the team any further and walked?
....and i think steve kean technically resigned too!

as for seeing watford once....i saw rovers play against barnsley and bolton at ewood and bournemouth and leeds away this seasonand we were sensational......gue
ss gary bowyer is the next pep guardiola
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself. Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three. Simple as that.[/p][/quote]watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it. apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr)[/p][/quote]There are a lot of Italian sounding names in their potential team for tonight LOL.[/p][/quote]I watched Watford early season and they were outstanding so I don't know where the idea Zola was a bad manager comes from. Draw tinigjt would be a very good result.[/p][/quote]Zola isn't a bad manager,I don't think he was sacked either, didn't he just say he couldn't take the team any further and walked?[/p][/quote]....and i think steve kean technically resigned too! as for seeing watford once....i saw rovers play against barnsley and bolton at ewood and bournemouth and leeds away this seasonand we were sensational......gue ss gary bowyer is the next pep guardiola hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 0

1:19pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cboyer says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
The 'crowd' do seem to be enjoying the match don't they? Like they say, a picture is worth t a thousand words!
that actually is fair funny but i went to the game and it was brilliant
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: The 'crowd' do seem to be enjoying the match don't they? Like they say, a picture is worth t a thousand words![/p][/quote]that actually is fair funny but i went to the game and it was brilliant cboyer
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Bazzer says...

owd nick wrote:
MattNewcastle wrote: My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend Kane is a poor defender What do you want a Full Back to do? First and foremost defend He simply cannot defend Hardly ever heads a ball clear Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression Slight breeze would knock him over. Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back. Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.
Ah, it's Kane's turn today, who tomorrow? Matt, you will have been through the whole team and pointed out all their negatives by the end of the season, that suggests that you are hoping for a complete change by the start of next so you can start again. I agree he isn't the most physical looking specimen but at the end of the day he is first and foremost a Chelsea player who has done a decent job for us on loan, and although I also agree that in football you need to be physically strong you also need something up top as well. Whether you like it or not you do not get regular games at this standard if you are a donkey. You need to look at it in more depth, our right hand side has been devastated by injury after injury this season, it's as though every time we play a game we lose a player. The constant chopping, changing and criticism helps no one.
But he does have a point. Shouldn't full backs be fierce and ugly? I wish old Brutus Neill was 10 years younger and wearing the blue and white.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend Kane is a poor defender What do you want a Full Back to do? First and foremost defend He simply cannot defend Hardly ever heads a ball clear Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression Slight breeze would knock him over. Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back. Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.[/p][/quote]Ah, it's Kane's turn today, who tomorrow? Matt, you will have been through the whole team and pointed out all their negatives by the end of the season, that suggests that you are hoping for a complete change by the start of next so you can start again. I agree he isn't the most physical looking specimen but at the end of the day he is first and foremost a Chelsea player who has done a decent job for us on loan, and although I also agree that in football you need to be physically strong you also need something up top as well. Whether you like it or not you do not get regular games at this standard if you are a donkey. You need to look at it in more depth, our right hand side has been devastated by injury after injury this season, it's as though every time we play a game we lose a player. The constant chopping, changing and criticism helps no one.[/p][/quote]But he does have a point. Shouldn't full backs be fierce and ugly? I wish old Brutus Neill was 10 years younger and wearing the blue and white. Bazzer
  • Score: 0

1:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

PlutoRover says...

owd nick wrote:
MattNewcastle wrote:
My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend

Kane is a poor defender

What do you want a Full Back to do?

First and foremost defend

He simply cannot defend

Hardly ever heads a ball clear

Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game

Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight

Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression

Slight breeze would knock him over.

Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back.

Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.
Ah, it's Kane's turn today, who tomorrow?

Matt, you will have been through the whole team and pointed out all their negatives by the end of the season, that suggests that you are hoping for a complete change by the start of next so you can start again.

I agree he isn't the most physical looking specimen but at the end of the day he is first and foremost a Chelsea player who has done a decent job for us on loan, and although I also agree that in football you need to be physically strong you also need something up top as well.

Whether you like it or not you do not get regular games at this standard if you are a donkey.

You need to look at it in more depth, our right hand side has been devastated by injury after injury this season, it's as though every time we play a game we lose a player.

The constant chopping, changing and criticism helps no one.
I am blissfully unaware of Matt's previous posts on player ability but I have to agree with him on this one with regards to Kane. I would love him to do well, he reminds me of Alan Wright, but I am not sure in the modern game you can be an effective full back without more strength which he and Henley do seem to struggle with. For me he has also always struggled with positioning, even when he burst onto the scene last season. I think Lowe is perfect for this position as he is solid if not creative, but then we won the title with Berg at RB and he was never particularly creative but was very solid. Perhaps Kane will toughen up and pleasantly surprise me as he does have other redeeming qualities.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend Kane is a poor defender What do you want a Full Back to do? First and foremost defend He simply cannot defend Hardly ever heads a ball clear Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression Slight breeze would knock him over. Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back. Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.[/p][/quote]Ah, it's Kane's turn today, who tomorrow? Matt, you will have been through the whole team and pointed out all their negatives by the end of the season, that suggests that you are hoping for a complete change by the start of next so you can start again. I agree he isn't the most physical looking specimen but at the end of the day he is first and foremost a Chelsea player who has done a decent job for us on loan, and although I also agree that in football you need to be physically strong you also need something up top as well. Whether you like it or not you do not get regular games at this standard if you are a donkey. You need to look at it in more depth, our right hand side has been devastated by injury after injury this season, it's as though every time we play a game we lose a player. The constant chopping, changing and criticism helps no one.[/p][/quote]I am blissfully unaware of Matt's previous posts on player ability but I have to agree with him on this one with regards to Kane. I would love him to do well, he reminds me of Alan Wright, but I am not sure in the modern game you can be an effective full back without more strength which he and Henley do seem to struggle with. For me he has also always struggled with positioning, even when he burst onto the scene last season. I think Lowe is perfect for this position as he is solid if not creative, but then we won the title with Berg at RB and he was never particularly creative but was very solid. Perhaps Kane will toughen up and pleasantly surprise me as he does have other redeeming qualities. PlutoRover
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Tue 25 Mar 14

noddy57 says...

greenscreener wrote:
MattNewcastle wrote:
My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend

Kane is a poor defender

What do you want a Full Back to do?

First and foremost defend

He simply cannot defend

Hardly ever heads a ball clear

Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game

Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight

Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression

Slight breeze would knock him over.

Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back.

Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.
And yet in my opinion, he's slightly better than Henley in all aspects of defending. Last season he looked fairly solid, this season he's struggled to get a run of games and hasn't looked as confident.
well to be blunt ,,both players are average at best and that is the problem with many of Bowyers signings,,we cannot compete for honours while we persist in recruiting player after player who are just not good enough for the fight to get out of this division and that,s what it is a fight, having said all that we must be happy with the stability of the club at the minute,, But if we are to challenge like the team down the road we have much to do,
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend Kane is a poor defender What do you want a Full Back to do? First and foremost defend He simply cannot defend Hardly ever heads a ball clear Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression Slight breeze would knock him over. Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back. Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.[/p][/quote]And yet in my opinion, he's slightly better than Henley in all aspects of defending. Last season he looked fairly solid, this season he's struggled to get a run of games and hasn't looked as confident.[/p][/quote]well to be blunt ,,both players are average at best and that is the problem with many of Bowyers signings,,we cannot compete for honours while we persist in recruiting player after player who are just not good enough for the fight to get out of this division and that,s what it is a fight, having said all that we must be happy with the stability of the club at the minute,, But if we are to challenge like the team down the road we have much to do, noddy57
  • Score: 4

1:42pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Wild Rover says...

WELL, we should have signed Viv Anderson then...simples
And if we sign Messi and Iniesta our problems are solved.
Gotta make Matt Newcastle manager though, he's a dab hand on his PS3 Football Manager
What a clown you are...no respect for you , just a bogus troll WUM aren't you
Please spare me the I walk from Jarrow in mi barefeet to watch Rovers bull shine.
You are a fake faker
Only my opinion of course
WELL, we should have signed Viv Anderson then...simples And if we sign Messi and Iniesta our problems are solved. Gotta make Matt Newcastle manager though, he's a dab hand on his PS3 Football Manager What a clown you are...no respect for you , just a bogus troll WUM aren't you Please spare me the I walk from Jarrow in mi barefeet to watch Rovers bull shine. You are a fake faker Only my opinion of course Wild Rover
  • Score: 1

2:34pm Tue 25 Mar 14

greenscreener says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
The 'crowd' do seem to be enjoying the match don't they? Like they say, a picture is worth t a thousand words!
To those who were there It was obvious from the players reaction to the tackle that this was serious. Probably only you, Dave and the rest of the opposition would think a Rovers player lying injured warrants laughter and celebration.
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: The 'crowd' do seem to be enjoying the match don't they? Like they say, a picture is worth t a thousand words![/p][/quote]To those who were there It was obvious from the players reaction to the tackle that this was serious. Probably only you, Dave and the rest of the opposition would think a Rovers player lying injured warrants laughter and celebration. greenscreener
  • Score: 1

4:00pm Tue 25 Mar 14

owd nick says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
The 'crowd' do seem to be enjoying the match don't they? Like they say, a picture is worth t a thousand words!
As you weren't there , preferring sitting at home in your bath chair with dribble running down your chin, (now that would be a picture worth a thousand words (without the extra t as well)), you wouldn't have a bloody clue what was going on would you?

He was up against a guy who would probably give Usain Bolt a run for his money over 30 meters, had just stopped him and in doing so picked up an injury that will keep him out for the rest of the season.

But I suppose you celebrate everytime you see a Rovers player injured?
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: The 'crowd' do seem to be enjoying the match don't they? Like they say, a picture is worth t a thousand words![/p][/quote]As you weren't there , preferring sitting at home in your bath chair with dribble running down your chin, (now that would be a picture worth a thousand words (without the extra t as well)), you wouldn't have a bloody clue what was going on would you? He was up against a guy who would probably give Usain Bolt a run for his money over 30 meters, had just stopped him and in doing so picked up an injury that will keep him out for the rest of the season. But I suppose you celebrate everytime you see a Rovers player injured? owd nick
  • Score: 1

4:16pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Is Eckersley playing? says...

owd nick wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
The 'crowd' do seem to be enjoying the match don't they? Like they say, a picture is worth t a thousand words!
As you weren't there , preferring sitting at home in your bath chair with dribble running down your chin, (now that would be a picture worth a thousand words (without the extra t as well)), you wouldn't have a bloody clue what was going on would you?

He was up against a guy who would probably give Usain Bolt a run for his money over 30 meters, had just stopped him and in doing so picked up an injury that will keep him out for the rest of the season.

But I suppose you celebrate everytime you see a Rovers player injured?
Now,now. You know I was commenting on the 'crowd'. Don't be peevish! That goes for 'screener too!
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: The 'crowd' do seem to be enjoying the match don't they? Like they say, a picture is worth t a thousand words![/p][/quote]As you weren't there , preferring sitting at home in your bath chair with dribble running down your chin, (now that would be a picture worth a thousand words (without the extra t as well)), you wouldn't have a bloody clue what was going on would you? He was up against a guy who would probably give Usain Bolt a run for his money over 30 meters, had just stopped him and in doing so picked up an injury that will keep him out for the rest of the season. But I suppose you celebrate everytime you see a Rovers player injured?[/p][/quote]Now,now. You know I was commenting on the 'crowd'. Don't be peevish! That goes for 'screener too! Is Eckersley playing?
  • Score: -1

4:43pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Bazzer says...

greenscreener wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote: The 'crowd' do seem to be enjoying the match don't they? Like they say, a picture is worth t a thousand words!
To those who were there It was obvious from the players reaction to the tackle that this was serious. Probably only you, Dave and the rest of the opposition would think a Rovers player lying injured warrants laughter and celebration.
Massive over reaction again, Greenscreamer.
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: The 'crowd' do seem to be enjoying the match don't they? Like they say, a picture is worth t a thousand words![/p][/quote]To those who were there It was obvious from the players reaction to the tackle that this was serious. Probably only you, Dave and the rest of the opposition would think a Rovers player lying injured warrants laughter and celebration.[/p][/quote]Massive over reaction again, Greenscreamer. Bazzer
  • Score: -1

5:24pm Tue 25 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

owd nick wrote:
MattNewcastle wrote: My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend Kane is a poor defender What do you want a Full Back to do? First and foremost defend He simply cannot defend Hardly ever heads a ball clear Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression Slight breeze would knock him over. Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back. Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.
Ah, it's Kane's turn today, who tomorrow? Matt, you will have been through the whole team and pointed out all their negatives by the end of the season, that suggests that you are hoping for a complete change by the start of next so you can start again. I agree he isn't the most physical looking specimen but at the end of the day he is first and foremost a Chelsea player who has done a decent job for us on loan, and although I also agree that in football you need to be physically strong you also need something up top as well. Whether you like it or not you do not get regular games at this standard if you are a donkey. You need to look at it in more depth, our right hand side has been devastated by injury after injury this season, it's as though every time we play a game we lose a player. The constant chopping, changing and criticism helps no one.
So has our left side but Spurr has coped well enough
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend Kane is a poor defender What do you want a Full Back to do? First and foremost defend He simply cannot defend Hardly ever heads a ball clear Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression Slight breeze would knock him over. Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back. Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.[/p][/quote]Ah, it's Kane's turn today, who tomorrow? Matt, you will have been through the whole team and pointed out all their negatives by the end of the season, that suggests that you are hoping for a complete change by the start of next so you can start again. I agree he isn't the most physical looking specimen but at the end of the day he is first and foremost a Chelsea player who has done a decent job for us on loan, and although I also agree that in football you need to be physically strong you also need something up top as well. Whether you like it or not you do not get regular games at this standard if you are a donkey. You need to look at it in more depth, our right hand side has been devastated by injury after injury this season, it's as though every time we play a game we lose a player. The constant chopping, changing and criticism helps no one.[/p][/quote]So has our left side but Spurr has coped well enough MattNewcastle
  • Score: 0

5:24pm Tue 25 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

owd nick wrote:
MattNewcastle wrote: My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend Kane is a poor defender What do you want a Full Back to do? First and foremost defend He simply cannot defend Hardly ever heads a ball clear Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression Slight breeze would knock him over. Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back. Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.
Ah, it's Kane's turn today, who tomorrow? Matt, you will have been through the whole team and pointed out all their negatives by the end of the season, that suggests that you are hoping for a complete change by the start of next so you can start again. I agree he isn't the most physical looking specimen but at the end of the day he is first and foremost a Chelsea player who has done a decent job for us on loan, and although I also agree that in football you need to be physically strong you also need something up top as well. Whether you like it or not you do not get regular games at this standard if you are a donkey. You need to look at it in more depth, our right hand side has been devastated by injury after injury this season, it's as though every time we play a game we lose a player. The constant chopping, changing and criticism helps no one.
So has our left side but Spurr has coped well enough
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend Kane is a poor defender What do you want a Full Back to do? First and foremost defend He simply cannot defend Hardly ever heads a ball clear Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression Slight breeze would knock him over. Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back. Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.[/p][/quote]Ah, it's Kane's turn today, who tomorrow? Matt, you will have been through the whole team and pointed out all their negatives by the end of the season, that suggests that you are hoping for a complete change by the start of next so you can start again. I agree he isn't the most physical looking specimen but at the end of the day he is first and foremost a Chelsea player who has done a decent job for us on loan, and although I also agree that in football you need to be physically strong you also need something up top as well. Whether you like it or not you do not get regular games at this standard if you are a donkey. You need to look at it in more depth, our right hand side has been devastated by injury after injury this season, it's as though every time we play a game we lose a player. The constant chopping, changing and criticism helps no one.[/p][/quote]So has our left side but Spurr has coped well enough MattNewcastle
  • Score: 0

5:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

Wild Rover wrote:
WELL, we should have signed Viv Anderson then...simples And if we sign Messi and Iniesta our problems are solved. Gotta make Matt Newcastle manager though, he's a dab hand on his PS3 Football Manager What a clown you are...no respect for you , just a bogus troll WUM aren't you Please spare me the I walk from Jarrow in mi barefeet to watch Rovers bull shine. You are a fake faker Only my opinion of course
Yes that's why Josh Morris was also deemed good enough to play Left Back!

You can say what you want fact is our full backs have been weaknesses for sometime now until obviously Spurr filled the gap solving the left back situation.
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: WELL, we should have signed Viv Anderson then...simples And if we sign Messi and Iniesta our problems are solved. Gotta make Matt Newcastle manager though, he's a dab hand on his PS3 Football Manager What a clown you are...no respect for you , just a bogus troll WUM aren't you Please spare me the I walk from Jarrow in mi barefeet to watch Rovers bull shine. You are a fake faker Only my opinion of course[/p][/quote]Yes that's why Josh Morris was also deemed good enough to play Left Back! You can say what you want fact is our full backs have been weaknesses for sometime now until obviously Spurr filled the gap solving the left back situation. MattNewcastle
  • Score: 0

5:35pm Tue 25 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

Wild Rover wrote:
WELL, we should have signed Viv Anderson then...simples And if we sign Messi and Iniesta our problems are solved. Gotta make Matt Newcastle manager though, he's a dab hand on his PS3 Football Manager What a clown you are...no respect for you , just a bogus troll WUM aren't you Please spare me the I walk from Jarrow in mi barefeet to watch Rovers bull shine. You are a fake faker Only my opinion of course
No just like a great many supporters that can see the blindingly obvious as well as just about every team and manager we come up against
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: WELL, we should have signed Viv Anderson then...simples And if we sign Messi and Iniesta our problems are solved. Gotta make Matt Newcastle manager though, he's a dab hand on his PS3 Football Manager What a clown you are...no respect for you , just a bogus troll WUM aren't you Please spare me the I walk from Jarrow in mi barefeet to watch Rovers bull shine. You are a fake faker Only my opinion of course[/p][/quote]No just like a great many supporters that can see the blindingly obvious as well as just about every team and manager we come up against MattNewcastle
  • Score: 0

5:44pm Tue 25 Mar 14

owd nick says...

MattNewcastle wrote:
owd nick wrote:
MattNewcastle wrote: My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend Kane is a poor defender What do you want a Full Back to do? First and foremost defend He simply cannot defend Hardly ever heads a ball clear Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression Slight breeze would knock him over. Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back. Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.
Ah, it's Kane's turn today, who tomorrow? Matt, you will have been through the whole team and pointed out all their negatives by the end of the season, that suggests that you are hoping for a complete change by the start of next so you can start again. I agree he isn't the most physical looking specimen but at the end of the day he is first and foremost a Chelsea player who has done a decent job for us on loan, and although I also agree that in football you need to be physically strong you also need something up top as well. Whether you like it or not you do not get regular games at this standard if you are a donkey. You need to look at it in more depth, our right hand side has been devastated by injury after injury this season, it's as though every time we play a game we lose a player. The constant chopping, changing and criticism helps no one.
So has our left side but Spurr has coped well enough
So good you posted it twice LOL

I actually agree, but I think Spurr has been lucky with the players in front of him being more supportive when he is on the back foot whereas both Hanley and Kane have been left exposed whenever Marshall hasn't been playing.
[quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: My view only but some of the comments I find hard to comprehend Kane is a poor defender What do you want a Full Back to do? First and foremost defend He simply cannot defend Hardly ever heads a ball clear Let's umpteen crosses reign in every game Is susceptible at the back post due to his hight Vary rarely tackles with fearsome aggression Slight breeze would knock him over. Recently saw him leaving the ground walking to his car after a match and he is lacking physical presence for a full back. Most of us have visions as to who are ideal players are for all positions and he does not fit mine for a full back.[/p][/quote]Ah, it's Kane's turn today, who tomorrow? Matt, you will have been through the whole team and pointed out all their negatives by the end of the season, that suggests that you are hoping for a complete change by the start of next so you can start again. I agree he isn't the most physical looking specimen but at the end of the day he is first and foremost a Chelsea player who has done a decent job for us on loan, and although I also agree that in football you need to be physically strong you also need something up top as well. Whether you like it or not you do not get regular games at this standard if you are a donkey. You need to look at it in more depth, our right hand side has been devastated by injury after injury this season, it's as though every time we play a game we lose a player. The constant chopping, changing and criticism helps no one.[/p][/quote]So has our left side but Spurr has coped well enough[/p][/quote]So good you posted it twice LOL I actually agree, but I think Spurr has been lucky with the players in front of him being more supportive when he is on the back foot whereas both Hanley and Kane have been left exposed whenever Marshall hasn't been playing. owd nick
  • Score: 0

5:54pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Riverside 7 says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself.

Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three.

Simple as that.
watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it.

apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr)
HH - The rules re loaness did change but all Udinese did was allow 7 loanees to sign permanent contracts at Watford on the basis that they could all be transfered back to the parent club if ever needed.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Tough game tonight, Watford were among my favorites to go up this season but for some reason haven't performed, but their home record speaks for itself. Under normal circumstances I would have been happy with a point but these are no longer normal circumstances, we need three. Simple as that.[/p][/quote]watford over-performed last season cos of all the italian loanees. the rules changed this season and they dont have anywhere near as many italians. that combined with gianfranco zola not being a very good manager explains it. apropos all the rovers fans saying we need an experienced manager (say someone like billy davis) to get us out of this division - the experience of forest suggests that experience is not the bee all and end all (also see ipswich and qpr)[/p][/quote]HH - The rules re loaness did change but all Udinese did was allow 7 loanees to sign permanent contracts at Watford on the basis that they could all be transfered back to the parent club if ever needed. Riverside 7
  • Score: 0

6:30pm Tue 25 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

What a great endorsement from your manager

I rest my case
What a great endorsement from your manager I rest my case MattNewcastle
  • Score: 0

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