Berg calls for Blackburn Rovers not to panic

Henning Berg

Henning Berg

First published in Sport Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Blackburn Rovers reporter

HENNING Berg has called for everyone at Blackburn Rovers to ‘keep their heads’ after insisting his side are not a ‘million miles’ from their Premier dream.

Friday night’s miserable 4-1 home defeat to Championship leaders Cardiff City leaves Berg with just one win in his eight games as Rovers boss, but the Ewood manager believes prom-otion is still a realistic goal.

Berg (pictured left) was quick to admit his side have to improve all over the pitch after a third straight home loss left Rovers in 13th, four points from the play-off places.

He said: “The target is still promotion.

“Of course we have put our-selves in a little bit more difficulty than we would have liked.

“A few weeks ago I thought we were looking to build on the Hudd-ersfield and Peterborough perfor-mances, and we were not able to do that.

“Yes we are disappointed with the result, yes we are disappointed with some of the performances, but we are not a million miles away in that we played the league leaders in a tight and even game, football wise that ended not an even game in terms of the result.

“There are not that many things we need to do to make sure we win football matches.

“No one has ever said it will be easy but we just have to make sure we keep our heads, do the right things.”

Mark Hudson gave Cardiff a deserved half time lead on Friday night before Josh King levelled matters with his first Rovers' goal just before half time.

It proved false hope though as goals from Craig Bellamy, Joe Mason and Kim Bo-Kyung inflicted Rovers' heaviest defeat of the season.

Berg said: “We are disappointed to lose another game at home but Cardiff were the better team all over even if not quite as much as the scoreline suggests”, said Berg. “You can't have any complaints.

“They were more experienced than us, they had by far better finishing and they defended better. That was the key.

“We were not happy with the way we defended. We can defend much better and also the way we used the ball in the first half is way off to where we want to be.

“We can play better than this. There is a reason why Cardiff are doing well but I don't think they were a million miles better than us but they were in the most important areas.

“They looked a bit more experienced, a little bit more solid and they played at a higher tempo than we did.

“I think we pushed for it in the second half. Colin Kazim-Richards did well when he came on and played like we want to see every time he is on the pitch.

“If he can do that he is a good player. I thought Josh King worked hard all game and got his goal but apart from that we can improve a lot.”

Rovers' recent run of results has led to some calling for a return to the heart of defence for unused substitute Gael Givet.

Berg said: “I know Gael is a good option and I know he has played really well earlier.

“He was injured when I came and to be fair to Scott and Grant, they have played well together. In the last game against Burnley I thought they were magnificent.

“But on Friday's showing, I know both of them can do better. If Givet is a better option, we will see, because I know he is a good option, there is no doubt about that.

“I know Scott and Grant usually play well as well.”

Meanwhile Rovers are continuing to assess potential changes to the backroom staff.

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10:23am Mon 10 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

tight and even?

We got stomped on in the first half and near the end they were scoring for fun!

Found the Kean book of positives did you Henning?

I'd rather you kept with telling it straight as you did on Friday night personally.
tight and even? We got stomped on in the first half and near the end they were scoring for fun! Found the Kean book of positives did you Henning? I'd rather you kept with telling it straight as you did on Friday night personally. blueblooded
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10:29am Mon 10 Dec 12

Return of the Magnificent se7en says...

The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball.
We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down.
Bye Mr Berg.
The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg. Return of the Magnificent se7en
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10:30am Mon 10 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

"Don't panic" !!!!! Ha ha straight out of the Dads army approach to management.

I'll give it 3 more games before the banners are up and the marches/protests begin.
"Don't panic" !!!!! Ha ha straight out of the Dads army approach to management. I'll give it 3 more games before the banners are up and the marches/protests begin. George White Bread
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10:32am Mon 10 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball.
We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down.
Bye Mr Berg.
That's a lot to ask Santa for, I'm not sure you've been a good enough boy this year.
[quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.[/p][/quote]That's a lot to ask Santa for, I'm not sure you've been a good enough boy this year. George White Bread
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10:39am Mon 10 Dec 12

vicn1956 says...

Don't give him your name Henning!
Don't give him your name Henning! vicn1956
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10:48am Mon 10 Dec 12

Mr Purple says...

You're starting to sound like Kean Henning. Do yourself a favour and get rid of Hendry et al and get your own men in. If you accepted this job on the understanding that you would not make any backroom changes (to save Venky's money) then you are a fool and you are now reaping the rewards of becoming part of the problem rather than solving it. I hope that you sent that half ar5ed lazy shower of feck wits on a run over the moors until midnight and again all day Saturday. The players are taking the p1ss and they need a rocket up their ar5es. Everytime they lose run them 50k until they spew. That will buck thier ideas up!
You're starting to sound like Kean Henning. Do yourself a favour and get rid of Hendry et al and get your own men in. If you accepted this job on the understanding that you would not make any backroom changes (to save Venky's money) then you are a fool and you are now reaping the rewards of becoming part of the problem rather than solving it. I hope that you sent that half ar5ed lazy shower of feck wits on a run over the moors until midnight and again all day Saturday. The players are taking the p1ss and they need a rocket up their ar5es. Everytime they lose run them 50k until they spew. That will buck thier ideas up! Mr Purple
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10:49am Mon 10 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit,
Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen
) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25.

Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well.

I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes.

My team for blackpool game.

Robbo
Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol
lson
Formica,Murphy,Enthu
,King
Kazim,Rhodes.

Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe
,Dunn,
Pedersen,Rochina,Gom
es.

Work on Corners and free kicks.
Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center.

All the best.
As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit, Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen ) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25. Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well. I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes. My team for blackpool game. Robbo Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol lson Formica,Murphy,Enthu ,King Kazim,Rhodes. Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe ,Dunn, Pedersen,Rochina,Gom es. Work on Corners and free kicks. Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center. All the best. MatthewCA
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10:51am Mon 10 Dec 12

Brears says...

Frightening if he thinks Dann and Hanley play welll together. Neither can orgainse the defence. Hanley is painfully slow and Dann has always got one or two major mistakes per game in him- as well as not wanting to put his head in where it hurts.
Frightening if he thinks Dann and Hanley play welll together. Neither can orgainse the defence. Hanley is painfully slow and Dann has always got one or two major mistakes per game in him- as well as not wanting to put his head in where it hurts. Brears
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10:55am Mon 10 Dec 12

oreilly21 says...

I understand what Berg is saying but its complete waffle IMO!
I think both Dann and Hanley especially are the root cause of our problems, we need some decent centre backs asap, Givet and someone like Matt Upson who should be available on loan from stoke would do a better job.
Also Palacios or david vaughan from sunderand could do a job for us in midfield, all loans that are available in January, these players are needed straight away in January because if we leave it till the end of the month a play off spot WILL be out of reach!
I understand what Berg is saying but its complete waffle IMO! I think both Dann and Hanley especially are the root cause of our problems, we need some decent centre backs asap, Givet and someone like Matt Upson who should be available on loan from stoke would do a better job. Also Palacios or david vaughan from sunderand could do a job for us in midfield, all loans that are available in January, these players are needed straight away in January because if we leave it till the end of the month a play off spot WILL be out of reach! oreilly21
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11:00am Mon 10 Dec 12

garydavies2304 says...

Mr Purple wrote:
You're starting to sound like Kean Henning. Do yourself a favour and get rid of Hendry et al and get your own men in. If you accepted this job on the understanding that you would not make any backroom changes (to save Venky's money) then you are a fool and you are now reaping the rewards of becoming part of the problem rather than solving it. I hope that you sent that half ar5ed lazy shower of feck wits on a run over the moors until midnight and again all day Saturday. The players are taking the p1ss and they need a rocket up their ar5es. Everytime they lose run them 50k until they spew. That will buck thier ideas up!
well said
[quote][p][bold]Mr Purple[/bold] wrote: You're starting to sound like Kean Henning. Do yourself a favour and get rid of Hendry et al and get your own men in. If you accepted this job on the understanding that you would not make any backroom changes (to save Venky's money) then you are a fool and you are now reaping the rewards of becoming part of the problem rather than solving it. I hope that you sent that half ar5ed lazy shower of feck wits on a run over the moors until midnight and again all day Saturday. The players are taking the p1ss and they need a rocket up their ar5es. Everytime they lose run them 50k until they spew. That will buck thier ideas up![/p][/quote]well said garydavies2304
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11:03am Mon 10 Dec 12

Long time Rover says...

One specific thought that occurs, Is Robbo really a good keeper? Great guy to have around but ? Thought his positioning was very poor again on Friday and some of his save attempts looked like they were gestures almost. Im prepared to accept Im wrong from those who see him more often than I do but if Im right then its a big problem that needs sorting.
One specific thought that occurs, Is Robbo really a good keeper? Great guy to have around but ? Thought his positioning was very poor again on Friday and some of his save attempts looked like they were gestures almost. Im prepared to accept Im wrong from those who see him more often than I do but if Im right then its a big problem that needs sorting. Long time Rover
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11:07am Mon 10 Dec 12

bigste says...

Dann is a liability and will always give the opposition the odd bloomer while Hanley may sometimes lack experience his heart is in the right place. I would certainly be playing Givet instead of Dann.
Dann is a liability and will always give the opposition the odd bloomer while Hanley may sometimes lack experience his heart is in the right place. I would certainly be playing Givet instead of Dann. bigste
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11:09am Mon 10 Dec 12

Miss-You-Uncle-Jack says...

Absolutely horrendous...and the worst part of it is the amount of comments from all the Kean sympathisers in the footballing world using this to his advantage! Just this morning at work I've had 6 different people tell me "you should have stuck with Kean" .... Not even worth getting into the argument with them of course. Come on Henning you've still got my backing if you turn it around over the Xmas period and go into new year on the up. At the moment we're yet again a laughing stock after the performance in front of sky cameras!
Absolutely horrendous...and the worst part of it is the amount of comments from all the Kean sympathisers in the footballing world using this to his advantage! Just this morning at work I've had 6 different people tell me "you should have stuck with Kean" .... Not even worth getting into the argument with them of course. Come on Henning you've still got my backing if you turn it around over the Xmas period and go into new year on the up. At the moment we're yet again a laughing stock after the performance in front of sky cameras! Miss-You-Uncle-Jack
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11:11am Mon 10 Dec 12

DanBlackburn says...

"I know Scott and Grant usually play well as well"

Deary me. How worrying is this? I know he has to keep the players on side and not criticise them openly but jesus wept. Hanley and Dann are just not good enough.

I am praying to god that there is some investment in January.
Over the last 2 years we have heard "lets take the positives" out of embarrassing drubbings way too often.

2 years dropping like a stone.
"I know Scott and Grant usually play well as well" Deary me. How worrying is this? I know he has to keep the players on side and not criticise them openly but jesus wept. Hanley and Dann are just not good enough. I am praying to god that there is some investment in January. Over the last 2 years we have heard "lets take the positives" out of embarrassing drubbings way too often. 2 years dropping like a stone. DanBlackburn
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11:13am Mon 10 Dec 12

Road Runner Road Runner says...

There is no panic from this side Mr Berg only a recognition that all stops have to be pulled out, and that you find the players who can fill this void that is so apparent.

Have you got it in you to turn this sorry mess around ? I believe you have.

Arte et labore
There is no panic from this side Mr Berg only a recognition that all stops have to be pulled out, and that you find the players who can fill this void that is so apparent. Have you got it in you to turn this sorry mess around ? I believe you have. Arte et labore Road Runner Road Runner
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11:15am Mon 10 Dec 12

Bazzer says...

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.
Absolutely spot on! When Cardiff scored their first goal the entire team was within 20 yards of our goal. Everyone almost static. Remember the purchase of big John McNamee? We need centre backs to command, to be big and dominate the box. Get your name on it before the Cardiff man and clear it into row Z if possible. It is not pretty I grant that. Aesthetics will not keep us up. But this is relegation form.
[quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on! When Cardiff scored their first goal the entire team was within 20 yards of our goal. Everyone almost static. Remember the purchase of big John McNamee? We need centre backs to command, to be big and dominate the box. Get your name on it before the Cardiff man and clear it into row Z if possible. It is not pretty I grant that. Aesthetics will not keep us up. But this is relegation form. Bazzer
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11:19am Mon 10 Dec 12

stephenrover says...

Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you??

Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff.

Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment.

Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side.

Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.
Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you?? Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff. Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment. Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side. Also, get Hendry the **** out of here. stephenrover
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11:22am Mon 10 Dec 12

rovers82 says...

try not to relegate, otherwise Kean will laugh
try not to relegate, otherwise Kean will laugh rovers82
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11:23am Mon 10 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

bigste wrote:
Dann is a liability and will always give the opposition the odd bloomer while Hanley may sometimes lack experience his heart is in the right place. I would certainly be playing Givet instead of Dann.
I agree on Dann and Hanley - never take risk and silly mistakes make team into trouble, get the best in the market to save matchs. Players like Samba style needed in the back. Get few players in this window.
[quote][p][bold]bigste[/bold] wrote: Dann is a liability and will always give the opposition the odd bloomer while Hanley may sometimes lack experience his heart is in the right place. I would certainly be playing Givet instead of Dann.[/p][/quote]I agree on Dann and Hanley - never take risk and silly mistakes make team into trouble, get the best in the market to save matchs. Players like Samba style needed in the back. Get few players in this window. MatthewCA
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11:23am Mon 10 Dec 12

Whittle Wilky says...

I have never seen Hanley and especially Dann play well. Mediocre at best and down right dangerous with poor ball control and passing in defensive play.

Yes Kean sold off one of the best defenses in the premiership. and bought in rubbish in the hope that we could score more than we would conceed.

Olson is not natural in a right back. We need solid central defense, As a defender I would have expected Berg to have started with the obvious weaknesses. Get Givet back, and try and get another Salgardo.

Then get whatever we can for the Fulham muppets, neither deserve to wear blue & white.

Finally Henning please answer one question that has been driving me mad. If a player is fit enough to sit on the bench, why not make them start?

Kazim Richards, Rochina, Nunes, Gomez, even Pederson are better than the second string you are starting with.
I have never seen Hanley and especially Dann play well. Mediocre at best and down right dangerous with poor ball control and passing in defensive play. Yes Kean sold off one of the best defenses in the premiership. and bought in rubbish in the hope that we could score more than we would conceed. Olson is not natural in a right back. We need solid central defense, As a defender I would have expected Berg to have started with the obvious weaknesses. Get Givet back, and try and get another Salgardo. Then get whatever we can for the Fulham muppets, neither deserve to wear blue & white. Finally Henning please answer one question that has been driving me mad. If a player is fit enough to sit on the bench, why not make them start? Kazim Richards, Rochina, Nunes, Gomez, even Pederson are better than the second string you are starting with. Whittle Wilky
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11:24am Mon 10 Dec 12

Will P says...

To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2.

Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there.

If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.
To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2. Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there. If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry. Will P
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11:24am Mon 10 Dec 12

Whittle Wilky says...

Sorry I should have said olson in a left back.
Sorry I should have said olson in a left back. Whittle Wilky
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11:30am Mon 10 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

blueblooded wrote:
tight and even?

We got stomped on in the first half and near the end they were scoring for fun!

Found the Kean book of positives did you Henning?

I'd rather you kept with telling it straight as you did on Friday night personally.
Finding positive from a pathatic display from rovers. Not acceptable the way balackburn players carry the game in last 30mts. Clearly shows "No Control on game plan". Berg is another Kean. Confused !!

Confused with young and old players. Whom to pic.
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: tight and even? We got stomped on in the first half and near the end they were scoring for fun! Found the Kean book of positives did you Henning? I'd rather you kept with telling it straight as you did on Friday night personally.[/p][/quote]Finding positive from a pathatic display from rovers. Not acceptable the way balackburn players carry the game in last 30mts. Clearly shows "No Control on game plan". Berg is another Kean. Confused !! Confused with young and old players. Whom to pic. MatthewCA
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11:30am Mon 10 Dec 12

fanny_tickler. says...

Magnificent effort Agent Berg. Keep them calm and carry on.
Magnificent effort Agent Berg. Keep them calm and carry on. fanny_tickler.
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11:32am Mon 10 Dec 12

jackmetickler says...

once again we hanging on for the transfer window in the vain hope that Venkys/management will get the right players in to change things.

How long will it take new players to bed in.. who knows but one thing for sure is unless we go on a 10 game winning run and that look as likely as Dann winning the Ballon d'or..

We aint got a chance of Promotion.
once again we hanging on for the transfer window in the vain hope that Venkys/management will get the right players in to change things. How long will it take new players to bed in.. who knows but one thing for sure is unless we go on a 10 game winning run and that look as likely as Dann winning the Ballon d'or.. We aint got a chance of Promotion. jackmetickler
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11:37am Mon 10 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

Will P wrote:
To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2.

Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there.

If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.
Very good, If Dann got a offer 6mil, is good for us, he is getting a better chance to play in Prem also. Let him Go and get 2 players from Spanish/Italian first team members..
[quote][p][bold]Will P[/bold] wrote: To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2. Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there. If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.[/p][/quote]Very good, If Dann got a offer 6mil, is good for us, he is getting a better chance to play in Prem also. Let him Go and get 2 players from Spanish/Italian first team members.. MatthewCA
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11:38am Mon 10 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

fanny_tickler. wrote:
Magnificent effort Agent Berg. Keep them calm and carry on.
All went upside down now. This is called " Kenoeffect "
[quote][p][bold]fanny_tickler.[/bold] wrote: Magnificent effort Agent Berg. Keep them calm and carry on.[/p][/quote]All went upside down now. This is called " Kenoeffect " MatthewCA
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11:41am Mon 10 Dec 12

hasslem hasslem says...

berg's words seem more to appease the loons in pune (copyright woody) than those reading or hearing them in north east lancashire

must improve and improve quicky, don't think that any realistic rovers supporter believed that rovers were automatic promotion prospects. i thought at best we could possibly have scraped into the play-offs....but at the moment that seems like a remote prospect.

there is a lot to sort out and in the last few games berg may well have selected jack walker's statue in centre midfield for all the movement we are getting out of it.

the saving grace is that it is a crazy division where a few wins can project you up the league - but equally losses look very worrying.

interesting that it was said by somebody "this squad will frighten to death other teams in this division"...well, the other teams seem to be hiding their fear pretty well.
berg's words seem more to appease the loons in pune (copyright woody) than those reading or hearing them in north east lancashire must improve and improve quicky, don't think that any realistic rovers supporter believed that rovers were automatic promotion prospects. i thought at best we could possibly have scraped into the play-offs....but at the moment that seems like a remote prospect. there is a lot to sort out and in the last few games berg may well have selected jack walker's statue in centre midfield for all the movement we are getting out of it. the saving grace is that it is a crazy division where a few wins can project you up the league - but equally losses look very worrying. interesting that it was said by somebody "this squad will frighten to death other teams in this division"...well, the other teams seem to be hiding their fear pretty well. hasslem hasslem
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11:42am Mon 10 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

stephenrover wrote:
Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you??

Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff.

Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment.

Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side.

Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.
Lets try this new two lads Nuno Enrique and Diogo Rosado into the center. Anyway we are getting out the ground.

Add Gomes and Nunes too, at least we can see few goals
[quote][p][bold]stephenrover[/bold] wrote: Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you?? Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff. Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment. Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side. Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.[/p][/quote]Lets try this new two lads Nuno Enrique and Diogo Rosado into the center. Anyway we are getting out the ground. Add Gomes and Nunes too, at least we can see few goals MatthewCA
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11:46am Mon 10 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

MatthewCA wrote:
As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit,

Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen

) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25.

Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well.

I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes.

My team for blackpool game.

Robbo
Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol

lson
Formica,Murphy,Enthu

,King
Kazim,Rhodes.

Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe

,Dunn,
Pedersen,Rochina,Gom

es.

Work on Corners and free kicks.
Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center.

All the best.
Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"?

20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped.

Totally and completely deluded!

Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".
[quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit, Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen ) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25. Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well. I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes. My team for blackpool game. Robbo Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol lson Formica,Murphy,Enthu ,King Kazim,Rhodes. Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe ,Dunn, Pedersen,Rochina,Gom es. Work on Corners and free kicks. Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center. All the best.[/p][/quote]Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"? 20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped. Totally and completely deluded! Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad". George White Bread
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11:47am Mon 10 Dec 12

hotpot8200 says...

Real shame all this let be honest is it really Berg fault he should not of been appointed should of been somebody more experinced who would not stand for these crap performance .
Dann is crap and should not be playing get him sold
Robbo has had his time we should of kept Bunn and given him 1st team football
Murphy couldn`t careless whether we are promoted or not get him off the pitch 20min at most as a sub
Berg will struggle with these and do we really think there will be more money available to him in January nah he will have to sell and who would buy any of our players at a gud rate we have no assets in any of our players now other than Rhodes and with our down hill i bet we would struggle to get back what we paid for him .Real hope the owners are doing things for the best but i suspect we will have to have either 2 more seasons struggling to get in playoff or even maybe a relegation threat before this sorry mess is sorted .
IF ONLY THEY HAD GONE FOR A NONONSENSE EXPERINCED MANAGER or even keep Knob Jockey as least he know he was threated with targets which just about keep us in contension even though we all knew we were ragging it as we were playing ****
Rovers forever
Real shame all this let be honest is it really Berg fault he should not of been appointed should of been somebody more experinced who would not stand for these crap performance . Dann is crap and should not be playing get him sold Robbo has had his time we should of kept Bunn and given him 1st team football Murphy couldn`t careless whether we are promoted or not get him off the pitch 20min at most as a sub Berg will struggle with these and do we really think there will be more money available to him in January nah he will have to sell and who would buy any of our players at a gud rate we have no assets in any of our players now other than Rhodes and with our down hill i bet we would struggle to get back what we paid for him .Real hope the owners are doing things for the best but i suspect we will have to have either 2 more seasons struggling to get in playoff or even maybe a relegation threat before this sorry mess is sorted . IF ONLY THEY HAD GONE FOR A NONONSENSE EXPERINCED MANAGER or even keep Knob Jockey as least he know he was threated with targets which just about keep us in contension even though we all knew we were ragging it as we were playing **** Rovers forever hotpot8200
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11:47am Mon 10 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

Kazim and King are the only hungry players in the team - Both are in loan.

Blackburn Players are taken easy and sleepy in Blackburn.

Owners also feed with new HENs. Confused Club.
Kazim and King are the only hungry players in the team - Both are in loan. Blackburn Players are taken easy and sleepy in Blackburn. Owners also feed with new HENs. Confused Club. MatthewCA
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11:54am Mon 10 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

MatthewCA wrote:
Kazim and King are the only hungry players in the team - Both are in loan.

Blackburn Players are taken easy and sleepy in Blackburn.

Owners also feed with new HENs. Confused Club.
BOTH ARE IN LOAN ? Proud Rovers Lad what the F are you going on about ???

Have you had or are you having a stroke ?
[quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: Kazim and King are the only hungry players in the team - Both are in loan. Blackburn Players are taken easy and sleepy in Blackburn. Owners also feed with new HENs. Confused Club.[/p][/quote]BOTH ARE IN LOAN ? Proud Rovers Lad what the F are you going on about ??? Have you had or are you having a stroke ? George White Bread
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11:55am Mon 10 Dec 12

GAZHAY says...

Long time Rover wrote:
One specific thought that occurs, Is Robbo really a good keeper? Great guy to have around but ? Thought his positioning was very poor again on Friday and some of his save attempts looked like they were gestures almost. Im prepared to accept Im wrong from those who see him more often than I do but if Im right then its a big problem that needs sorting.
Absolutely agree. Way too many times now Robinson has let us down this season. Yes he has been a great for the club but we need resh blood a.s.a.p. Unfortunately h has piled on the pounds and is way too slow to get down and move around the box. How mong range shots beat him?, and how many time doyou see him dive once the ball has passed him. Said this before but Bunn should never have been let go.
[quote][p][bold]Long time Rover[/bold] wrote: One specific thought that occurs, Is Robbo really a good keeper? Great guy to have around but ? Thought his positioning was very poor again on Friday and some of his save attempts looked like they were gestures almost. Im prepared to accept Im wrong from those who see him more often than I do but if Im right then its a big problem that needs sorting.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. Way too many times now Robinson has let us down this season. Yes he has been a great for the club but we need resh blood a.s.a.p. Unfortunately h has piled on the pounds and is way too slow to get down and move around the box. How mong range shots beat him?, and how many time doyou see him dive once the ball has passed him. Said this before but Bunn should never have been let go. GAZHAY
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11:57am Mon 10 Dec 12

Return of the Magnificent se7en says...

oreilly21 wrote:
I understand what Berg is saying but its complete waffle IMO!
I think both Dann and Hanley especially are the root cause of our problems, we need some decent centre backs asap, Givet and someone like Matt Upson who should be available on loan from stoke would do a better job.
Also Palacios or david vaughan from sunderand could do a job for us in midfield, all loans that are available in January, these players are needed straight away in January because if we leave it till the end of the month a play off spot WILL be out of reach!
Spot on mate.
[quote][p][bold]oreilly21[/bold] wrote: I understand what Berg is saying but its complete waffle IMO! I think both Dann and Hanley especially are the root cause of our problems, we need some decent centre backs asap, Givet and someone like Matt Upson who should be available on loan from stoke would do a better job. Also Palacios or david vaughan from sunderand could do a job for us in midfield, all loans that are available in January, these players are needed straight away in January because if we leave it till the end of the month a play off spot WILL be out of reach![/p][/quote]Spot on mate. Return of the Magnificent se7en
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11:58am Mon 10 Dec 12

Return of the Magnificent se7en says...

Long time Rover wrote:
One specific thought that occurs, Is Robbo really a good keeper? Great guy to have around but ? Thought his positioning was very poor again on Friday and some of his save attempts looked like they were gestures almost. Im prepared to accept Im wrong from those who see him more often than I do but if Im right then its a big problem that needs sorting.
Friedel will sort it in Jan.
[quote][p][bold]Long time Rover[/bold] wrote: One specific thought that occurs, Is Robbo really a good keeper? Great guy to have around but ? Thought his positioning was very poor again on Friday and some of his save attempts looked like they were gestures almost. Im prepared to accept Im wrong from those who see him more often than I do but if Im right then its a big problem that needs sorting.[/p][/quote]Friedel will sort it in Jan. Return of the Magnificent se7en
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11:59am Mon 10 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

George White Bread wrote:
MatthewCA wrote:
As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit,


Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen


) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25.

Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well.

I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes.

My team for blackpool game.

Robbo
Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol


lson
Formica,Murphy,Enthu


,King
Kazim,Rhodes.

Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe


,Dunn,
Pedersen,Rochina,Gom


es.

Work on Corners and free kicks.
Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center.

All the best.
Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"?

20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped.

Totally and completely deluded!

Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".
so you're now lowering yourself to criticising someone whose first langiage is obviously not English?

How low can you go Dingle?
[quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit, Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen ) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25. Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well. I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes. My team for blackpool game. Robbo Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol lson Formica,Murphy,Enthu ,King Kazim,Rhodes. Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe ,Dunn, Pedersen,Rochina,Gom es. Work on Corners and free kicks. Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center. All the best.[/p][/quote]Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"? 20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped. Totally and completely deluded! Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".[/p][/quote]so you're now lowering yourself to criticising someone whose first langiage is obviously not English? How low can you go Dingle? blueblooded
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12:02pm Mon 10 Dec 12

juanbbien says...

According to the daily mail Adkins Southampton manager is considering a January move for Dann around the six million mark,their is a God after all.
According to the daily mail Adkins Southampton manager is considering a January move for Dann around the six million mark,their is a God after all. juanbbien
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12:02pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Return of the Magnificent se7en says...

fanny_tickler. wrote:
Magnificent effort Agent Berg. Keep them calm and carry on.
As was dick van dykes, tell me, where is he appearing in madame twanky this year?
[quote][p][bold]fanny_tickler.[/bold] wrote: Magnificent effort Agent Berg. Keep them calm and carry on.[/p][/quote]As was dick van dykes, tell me, where is he appearing in madame twanky this year? Return of the Magnificent se7en
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12:03pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Ronaldpetercooper says...

Good attempt Henning at cheering us up but the reality of the situation is that the curent team being selected is just not good enough. It is possible that we have some better players on our books that are not being selected. However it is pretty certain that at the moment we are simply not good enough and will not be promoted unless we sign some better players and get rid of some of the rubbish Kean has left us with. We still support you Henning but you will have to adopt a more realistic approach to keep us on board.
Good attempt Henning at cheering us up but the reality of the situation is that the curent team being selected is just not good enough. It is possible that we have some better players on our books that are not being selected. However it is pretty certain that at the moment we are simply not good enough and will not be promoted unless we sign some better players and get rid of some of the rubbish Kean has left us with. We still support you Henning but you will have to adopt a more realistic approach to keep us on board. Ronaldpetercooper
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12:16pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Keen O to Get Kean Out says...

Week by Week, Month by Month its all getting horibbly worse.. We are now Further away from the Prem than anyone predicted.. We are in relegation form again - the same as last season at this time
Week by Week, Month by Month its all getting horibbly worse.. We are now Further away from the Prem than anyone predicted.. We are in relegation form again - the same as last season at this time Keen O to Get Kean Out
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12:26pm Mon 10 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

George White Bread wrote:
MatthewCA wrote:
As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit,


Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen



) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25.

Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well.

I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes.

My team for blackpool game.

Robbo
Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol


lson
Formica,Murphy,Enthu


,King
Kazim,Rhodes.

Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe


,Dunn,
Pedersen,Rochina,Gom


es.

Work on Corners and free kicks.
Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center.

All the best.
Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"?

20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped.

Totally and completely deluded!

Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".
If Man.United can win 20 games in a run, Yes We CAN. Then we will reach in our aim, otherwise you know it.
[quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit, Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen ) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25. Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well. I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes. My team for blackpool game. Robbo Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol lson Formica,Murphy,Enthu ,King Kazim,Rhodes. Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe ,Dunn, Pedersen,Rochina,Gom es. Work on Corners and free kicks. Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center. All the best.[/p][/quote]Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"? 20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped. Totally and completely deluded! Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".[/p][/quote]If Man.United can win 20 games in a run, Yes We CAN. Then we will reach in our aim, otherwise you know it. MatthewCA
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12:31pm Mon 10 Dec 12

RupertsReason says...

George White Bread wrote:
"Don't panic" !!!!! Ha ha straight out of the Dads army approach to management.

I'll give it 3 more games before the banners are up and the marches/protests begin.
Back to the right posts I see. Just couldn't help yourself!!!! Not be long before Midas has finished at the Job Centre and he'll be joining you on here.
[quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: "Don't panic" !!!!! Ha ha straight out of the Dads army approach to management. I'll give it 3 more games before the banners are up and the marches/protests begin.[/p][/quote]Back to the right posts I see. Just couldn't help yourself!!!! Not be long before Midas has finished at the Job Centre and he'll be joining you on here. RupertsReason
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12:37pm Mon 10 Dec 12

PersianRover says...

MatthewCA wrote:
stephenrover wrote:
Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you??

Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff.

Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment.

Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side.

Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.
Lets try this new two lads Nuno Enrique and Diogo Rosado into the center. Anyway we are getting out the ground.

Add Gomes and Nunes too, at least we can see few goals
Rosado played really well when I saw him, he is tall as well.

Enrique is also tall, and apparently has pace (something Dann and Hanley are not known for.

Rochina should be in the centre of midfield, I hope he gets a chance there. He is the only player who can open up a team, no pass side to side like Ethehu, Murphy and Lowe. Ethehu should just sit infront of the back 4 and give protection.
[quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephenrover[/bold] wrote: Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you?? Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff. Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment. Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side. Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.[/p][/quote]Lets try this new two lads Nuno Enrique and Diogo Rosado into the center. Anyway we are getting out the ground. Add Gomes and Nunes too, at least we can see few goals[/p][/quote]Rosado played really well when I saw him, he is tall as well. Enrique is also tall, and apparently has pace (something Dann and Hanley are not known for. Rochina should be in the centre of midfield, I hope he gets a chance there. He is the only player who can open up a team, no pass side to side like Ethehu, Murphy and Lowe. Ethehu should just sit infront of the back 4 and give protection. PersianRover
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12:41pm Mon 10 Dec 12

PersianRover says...

PersianRover wrote:
MatthewCA wrote:
stephenrover wrote:
Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you??

Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff.

Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment.

Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side.

Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.
Lets try this new two lads Nuno Enrique and Diogo Rosado into the center. Anyway we are getting out the ground.

Add Gomes and Nunes too, at least we can see few goals
Rosado played really well when I saw him, he is tall as well.

Enrique is also tall, and apparently has pace (something Dann and Hanley are not known for.

Rochina should be in the centre of midfield, I hope he gets a chance there. He is the only player who can open up a team, no pass side to side like Ethehu, Murphy and Lowe. Ethehu should just sit infront of the back 4 and give protection.
Can I add passing side to side is why we play so poor, its our 2 centre midfielders that let us down. We need to 2 new center midfielders, and a new centre back, especially if Enrique isn't very good.
[quote][p][bold]PersianRover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephenrover[/bold] wrote: Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you?? Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff. Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment. Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side. Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.[/p][/quote]Lets try this new two lads Nuno Enrique and Diogo Rosado into the center. Anyway we are getting out the ground. Add Gomes and Nunes too, at least we can see few goals[/p][/quote]Rosado played really well when I saw him, he is tall as well. Enrique is also tall, and apparently has pace (something Dann and Hanley are not known for. Rochina should be in the centre of midfield, I hope he gets a chance there. He is the only player who can open up a team, no pass side to side like Ethehu, Murphy and Lowe. Ethehu should just sit infront of the back 4 and give protection.[/p][/quote]Can I add passing side to side is why we play so poor, its our 2 centre midfielders that let us down. We need to 2 new center midfielders, and a new centre back, especially if Enrique isn't very good. PersianRover
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12:48pm Mon 10 Dec 12

M4CCY says...

stephenrover wrote:
Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you?? Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff. Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment. Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side. Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.
Berg has got to be given time otherwise we just hit the self destruct button again. The only thing that we can do as fans is back the manager and be patient. I understand how difficult it is at times when you are sat in the stands watching some tripe on a cold,wet winter's day. However, Berg has been given an enourmous task that will genuinely take time and will need support of a quality back room staff. We need to stay behind the manager whilst this happens. I am confident that given time, he will turn things around - Berg is a winner unlike his predecessor. When he gets the fight back in to the team, things will start to improve.

Let's hope for a few changes to the backroom staff and playing personal in the new year. This might breathe a new fight in to the team. If we get ourselves organised and get the team fighting, we still have a chance of a top 6 finish. A hard working, well organised team with a proven goalscorer will get you out of this league.

In my opinion, our defence is strong enough. Granted there are way too many stupid mistakes being made but I do believe that we have the right personel. Hanley has been a sensation this season! I genuinely don't think that our midfield helps out of defence at all. Replace Murphy and Etuhu with 2 hardworking midfielders (one defensive minded player) Pedersen should be a permanent fixutre on the left simply for his work ethic, crosses and quality at deadball situations. Maybe King could be the man to provide the pace on the right and cut inside? I would genuinely rather have Mokoena and Andrews in midfield than these 2, and that's saying something! Etuhu and Murphy should be ashamed of themselves - they don't care about the club, they are simply looking for a final payday.
[quote][p][bold]stephenrover[/bold] wrote: Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you?? Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff. Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment. Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side. Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.[/p][/quote]Berg has got to be given time otherwise we just hit the self destruct button again. The only thing that we can do as fans is back the manager and be patient. I understand how difficult it is at times when you are sat in the stands watching some tripe on a cold,wet winter's day. However, Berg has been given an enourmous task that will genuinely take time and will need support of a quality back room staff. We need to stay behind the manager whilst this happens. I am confident that given time, he will turn things around - Berg is a winner unlike his predecessor. When he gets the fight back in to the team, things will start to improve. Let's hope for a few changes to the backroom staff and playing personal in the new year. This might breathe a new fight in to the team. If we get ourselves organised and get the team fighting, we still have a chance of a top 6 finish. A hard working, well organised team with a proven goalscorer will get you out of this league. In my opinion, our defence is strong enough. Granted there are way too many stupid mistakes being made but I do believe that we have the right personel. Hanley has been a sensation this season! I genuinely don't think that our midfield helps out of defence at all. Replace Murphy and Etuhu with 2 hardworking midfielders (one defensive minded player) Pedersen should be a permanent fixutre on the left simply for his work ethic, crosses and quality at deadball situations. Maybe King could be the man to provide the pace on the right and cut inside? I would genuinely rather have Mokoena and Andrews in midfield than these 2, and that's saying something! Etuhu and Murphy should be ashamed of themselves - they don't care about the club, they are simply looking for a final payday. M4CCY
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12:49pm Mon 10 Dec 12

HHHH says...

Miss-You-Uncle-Jack wrote:
Absolutely horrendous...and the worst part of it is the amount of comments from all the Kean sympathisers in the footballing world using this to his advantage! Just this morning at work I've had 6 different people tell me "you should have stuck with Kean" .... Not even worth getting into the argument with them of course. Come on Henning you've still got my backing if you turn it around over the Xmas period and go into new year on the up. At the moment we're yet again a laughing stock after the performance in front of sky cameras!
Well said mate. Henning inherited two years of total mismanagement. We were poor at the start of the season and getting lucky with results. Got to give him a few months to bring his own players in and start working with them.
[quote][p][bold]Miss-You-Uncle-Jack[/bold] wrote: Absolutely horrendous...and the worst part of it is the amount of comments from all the Kean sympathisers in the footballing world using this to his advantage! Just this morning at work I've had 6 different people tell me "you should have stuck with Kean" .... Not even worth getting into the argument with them of course. Come on Henning you've still got my backing if you turn it around over the Xmas period and go into new year on the up. At the moment we're yet again a laughing stock after the performance in front of sky cameras![/p][/quote]Well said mate. Henning inherited two years of total mismanagement. We were poor at the start of the season and getting lucky with results. Got to give him a few months to bring his own players in and start working with them. HHHH
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12:56pm Mon 10 Dec 12

we r longside burnley says...

George White Bread wrote:
MatthewCA wrote:
As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit,


Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen


) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25.

Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well.

I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes.

My team for blackpool game.

Robbo
Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol


lson
Formica,Murphy,Enthu


,King
Kazim,Rhodes.

Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe


,Dunn,
Pedersen,Rochina,Gom


es.

Work on Corners and free kicks.
Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center.

All the best.
Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"?

20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped.

Totally and completely deluded!

Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".
you faggots still remember me lol AWESOME
[quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit, Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen ) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25. Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well. I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes. My team for blackpool game. Robbo Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol lson Formica,Murphy,Enthu ,King Kazim,Rhodes. Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe ,Dunn, Pedersen,Rochina,Gom es. Work on Corners and free kicks. Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center. All the best.[/p][/quote]Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"? 20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped. Totally and completely deluded! Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".[/p][/quote]you faggots still remember me lol AWESOME we r longside burnley
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1:01pm Mon 10 Dec 12

thresholdweller says...

HHHH wrote:
Miss-You-Uncle-Jack wrote:
Absolutely horrendous...and the worst part of it is the amount of comments from all the Kean sympathisers in the footballing world using this to his advantage! Just this morning at work I've had 6 different people tell me "you should have stuck with Kean" .... Not even worth getting into the argument with them of course. Come on Henning you've still got my backing if you turn it around over the Xmas period and go into new year on the up. At the moment we're yet again a laughing stock after the performance in front of sky cameras!
Well said mate. Henning inherited two years of total mismanagement. We were poor at the start of the season and getting lucky with results. Got to give him a few months to bring his own players in and start working with them.
We have a very big squad. We have given contracts to many who are no better than those already here. It's not good having players turning up to training with little chance of playing. The fact that they are happy to do that shows that they have the wrong mentality. The problem is, how do we get rid of players surplus to requirements if other clubs do not come in for them? - and if we can't reduce the size of the squad, we can't bring in new players.
[quote][p][bold]HHHH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miss-You-Uncle-Jack[/bold] wrote: Absolutely horrendous...and the worst part of it is the amount of comments from all the Kean sympathisers in the footballing world using this to his advantage! Just this morning at work I've had 6 different people tell me "you should have stuck with Kean" .... Not even worth getting into the argument with them of course. Come on Henning you've still got my backing if you turn it around over the Xmas period and go into new year on the up. At the moment we're yet again a laughing stock after the performance in front of sky cameras![/p][/quote]Well said mate. Henning inherited two years of total mismanagement. We were poor at the start of the season and getting lucky with results. Got to give him a few months to bring his own players in and start working with them.[/p][/quote]We have a very big squad. We have given contracts to many who are no better than those already here. It's not good having players turning up to training with little chance of playing. The fact that they are happy to do that shows that they have the wrong mentality. The problem is, how do we get rid of players surplus to requirements if other clubs do not come in for them? - and if we can't reduce the size of the squad, we can't bring in new players. thresholdweller
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1:12pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Top10StillOn says...

"I know Scott and Grant usually play well as well"

No they don't. Dann has been a liability since he arrived and while I always thought Hanley wasn't Premier standard he doesn't look Championship standard either.

Two new centre halves needed in January I'm afraid. And then two new centre midfielders instead of past it Murphy and lead legs Etuhu.

Although Berg not doing himself any favours not willing to blame him just yet. The same real problem is still there and has been for two years and our ongoing decline is unlikely to end until they have gone i.e the owners and those numb nuts they keep appointing to "run" the club. They neither know how to run a football club nor care.
"I know Scott and Grant usually play well as well" No they don't. Dann has been a liability since he arrived and while I always thought Hanley wasn't Premier standard he doesn't look Championship standard either. Two new centre halves needed in January I'm afraid. And then two new centre midfielders instead of past it Murphy and lead legs Etuhu. Although Berg not doing himself any favours not willing to blame him just yet. The same real problem is still there and has been for two years and our ongoing decline is unlikely to end until they have gone i.e the owners and those numb nuts they keep appointing to "run" the club. They neither know how to run a football club nor care. Top10StillOn
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1:12pm Mon 10 Dec 12

fanny_tickler. says...

The natives are getting restless, there's trouble brewing down at Ewood. How many more games until the Berg Out banners start appearing? 1 win in 8 attempts, battered at home 3 in a row, crowds dwindling, in-fighting, moaning, whining. What a shambles your football club has become. The laughing stock of English football.
The natives are getting restless, there's trouble brewing down at Ewood. How many more games until the Berg Out banners start appearing? 1 win in 8 attempts, battered at home 3 in a row, crowds dwindling, in-fighting, moaning, whining. What a shambles your football club has become. The laughing stock of English football. fanny_tickler.
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1:24pm Mon 10 Dec 12

FCBurnley says...

Just enjoying my daily read of all things Wovers.

Reminds me of when I was a kid and it was the day The Beano was delivered. It never failed to make me laugh.

`Dont Panic ` was the cry. Now where have I heard that before.
Just enjoying my daily read of all things Wovers. Reminds me of when I was a kid and it was the day The Beano was delivered. It never failed to make me laugh. `Dont Panic ` was the cry. Now where have I heard that before. FCBurnley
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1:26pm Mon 10 Dec 12

OnePostThenTheOther says...

Who's panicking? We have had two years to get used to vacuous rhetoric substantiated by dismal performances. The current state of affairs is BAU for BRFC now. I feel sorry for anybody that genuinely believes that we will be playing Premiership football next season.
Who's panicking? We have had two years to get used to vacuous rhetoric substantiated by dismal performances. The current state of affairs is BAU for BRFC now. I feel sorry for anybody that genuinely believes that we will be playing Premiership football next season. OnePostThenTheOther
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1:29pm Mon 10 Dec 12

J.C - Rishton says...

Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ! J.C - Rishton
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1:30pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Whittle Wilky says...

fanny_tickler. wrote:
The natives are getting restless, there's trouble brewing down at Ewood. How many more games until the Berg Out banners start appearing? 1 win in 8 attempts, battered at home 3 in a row, crowds dwindling, in-fighting, moaning, whining. What a shambles your football club has become. The laughing stock of English football.
There was plenty enough shouting Henning Berg's blue and white army on Friday to make me believe he still has the backing of the crowd.

We may not approve of his appointment and would have preferred an established and proven manager. But he is not Kean, he has not had the opportunity to appoint his own staff or choose his own players. And until he does and is then proved wanting, he will have the support of most Rovers fans. We have been there when things were bad as well as the glory days. We can see light at the end of the tunnel.
[quote][p][bold]fanny_tickler.[/bold] wrote: The natives are getting restless, there's trouble brewing down at Ewood. How many more games until the Berg Out banners start appearing? 1 win in 8 attempts, battered at home 3 in a row, crowds dwindling, in-fighting, moaning, whining. What a shambles your football club has become. The laughing stock of English football.[/p][/quote]There was plenty enough shouting Henning Berg's blue and white army on Friday to make me believe he still has the backing of the crowd. We may not approve of his appointment and would have preferred an established and proven manager. But he is not Kean, he has not had the opportunity to appoint his own staff or choose his own players. And until he does and is then proved wanting, he will have the support of most Rovers fans. We have been there when things were bad as well as the glory days. We can see light at the end of the tunnel. Whittle Wilky
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1:31pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Keen O to Get Kean Out says...

FCBurnley wrote:
Just enjoying my daily read of all things Wovers. Reminds me of when I was a kid and it was the day The Beano was delivered. It never failed to make me laugh. `Dont Panic ` was the cry. Now where have I heard that before.
hopefully we wont stoop as low as BFC fans who never comment on their pages and articles ,, no ones interested in BFC ,, little club with no ambition. Their joy is seeing another club fail and not supporting their own sad existence. Burnley - a town club who are where ? Why not leave comments on your own pages -sad litttle boys
[quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: Just enjoying my daily read of all things Wovers. Reminds me of when I was a kid and it was the day The Beano was delivered. It never failed to make me laugh. `Dont Panic ` was the cry. Now where have I heard that before.[/p][/quote]hopefully we wont stoop as low as BFC fans who never comment on their pages and articles ,, no ones interested in BFC ,, little club with no ambition. Their joy is seeing another club fail and not supporting their own sad existence. Burnley - a town club who are where ? Why not leave comments on your own pages -sad litttle boys Keen O to Get Kean Out
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1:31pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Arthur Labore says...

Oh No! I dreaded this and its happened,Henning Berg has taken some of Keans Positive Pills!
We are Dooomed ,Dooomed I say!
These players dont like it up em,and that Scott Dann is a spupid boy.
Dont panic,you having a laugh.
Oh No! I dreaded this and its happened,Henning Berg has taken some of Keans Positive Pills! We are Dooomed ,Dooomed I say! These players dont like it up em,and that Scott Dann is a spupid boy. Dont panic,you having a laugh. Arthur Labore
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1:35pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Fenilad says...

Start with a new goalkeeper. Robinson cannot command his area. The first goal on Friday was from a player stood on the six yard box. End of story.
Start with a new goalkeeper. Robinson cannot command his area. The first goal on Friday was from a player stood on the six yard box. End of story. Fenilad
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1:38pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Road Runner Road Runner says...

M4CCY wrote:
stephenrover wrote:
Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you?? Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff. Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment. Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side. Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.
Berg has got to be given time otherwise we just hit the self destruct button again. The only thing that we can do as fans is back the manager and be patient. I understand how difficult it is at times when you are sat in the stands watching some tripe on a cold,wet winter's day. However, Berg has been given an enourmous task that will genuinely take time and will need support of a quality back room staff. We need to stay behind the manager whilst this happens. I am confident that given time, he will turn things around - Berg is a winner unlike his predecessor. When he gets the fight back in to the team, things will start to improve.

Let's hope for a few changes to the backroom staff and playing personal in the new year. This might breathe a new fight in to the team. If we get ourselves organised and get the team fighting, we still have a chance of a top 6 finish. A hard working, well organised team with a proven goalscorer will get you out of this league.

In my opinion, our defence is strong enough. Granted there are way too many stupid mistakes being made but I do believe that we have the right personel. Hanley has been a sensation this season! I genuinely don't think that our midfield helps out of defence at all. Replace Murphy and Etuhu with 2 hardworking midfielders (one defensive minded player) Pedersen should be a permanent fixutre on the left simply for his work ethic, crosses and quality at deadball situations. Maybe King could be the man to provide the pace on the right and cut inside? I would genuinely rather have Mokoena and Andrews in midfield than these 2, and that's saying something! Etuhu and Murphy should be ashamed of themselves - they don't care about the club, they are simply looking for a final payday.
Great post M4CCY.....

Berg is the beacon of hope, and he must be given the support by us, the supporter(s).

He must insist on total backing from the owners in turning this awful situation around. I believe in Berg it is just that the owners fill me with trepidation.

Arte et labore
[quote][p][bold]M4CCY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephenrover[/bold] wrote: Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you?? Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff. Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment. Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side. Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.[/p][/quote]Berg has got to be given time otherwise we just hit the self destruct button again. The only thing that we can do as fans is back the manager and be patient. I understand how difficult it is at times when you are sat in the stands watching some tripe on a cold,wet winter's day. However, Berg has been given an enourmous task that will genuinely take time and will need support of a quality back room staff. We need to stay behind the manager whilst this happens. I am confident that given time, he will turn things around - Berg is a winner unlike his predecessor. When he gets the fight back in to the team, things will start to improve. Let's hope for a few changes to the backroom staff and playing personal in the new year. This might breathe a new fight in to the team. If we get ourselves organised and get the team fighting, we still have a chance of a top 6 finish. A hard working, well organised team with a proven goalscorer will get you out of this league. In my opinion, our defence is strong enough. Granted there are way too many stupid mistakes being made but I do believe that we have the right personel. Hanley has been a sensation this season! I genuinely don't think that our midfield helps out of defence at all. Replace Murphy and Etuhu with 2 hardworking midfielders (one defensive minded player) Pedersen should be a permanent fixutre on the left simply for his work ethic, crosses and quality at deadball situations. Maybe King could be the man to provide the pace on the right and cut inside? I would genuinely rather have Mokoena and Andrews in midfield than these 2, and that's saying something! Etuhu and Murphy should be ashamed of themselves - they don't care about the club, they are simply looking for a final payday.[/p][/quote]Great post M4CCY..... Berg is the beacon of hope, and he must be given the support by us, the supporter(s). He must insist on total backing from the owners in turning this awful situation around. I believe in Berg it is just that the owners fill me with trepidation. Arte et labore Road Runner Road Runner
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1:40pm Mon 10 Dec 12

BJS says...

Before we have reached halfway through the season we have already been beaten 5 times at Ewood. I suggest that those results are more indicative of a battle to avoid relegation than any prospect of promotion. Dann was culpable for three of the goals last Friday and should be dropped. Major changes/investment are obviously required sooner rather than later but i'm afraid that Venky's don't give a ****. Rhodes to be sold on in January? Certainly hope not, but he must be beginning to think about where his promising career is heading right now.

Never forget that Venky's never actually sacked Kean, the worst manager in Rovers history, and having promised to take this club forwards have done nothing but take us on a downward spiral. My fear is that we haven't reached rock bottom yet!
Before we have reached halfway through the season we have already been beaten 5 times at Ewood. I suggest that those results are more indicative of a battle to avoid relegation than any prospect of promotion. Dann was culpable for three of the goals last Friday and should be dropped. Major changes/investment are obviously required sooner rather than later but i'm afraid that Venky's don't give a ****. Rhodes to be sold on in January? Certainly hope not, but he must be beginning to think about where his promising career is heading right now. Never forget that Venky's never actually sacked Kean, the worst manager in Rovers history, and having promised to take this club forwards have done nothing but take us on a downward spiral. My fear is that we haven't reached rock bottom yet! BJS
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1:42pm Mon 10 Dec 12

steviesixx says...

There should be no excuses, with the players we have we should be challenging for automatic promotion plus I don't fancy the play offs. The defence and a few midfielders are just staying for the money no heart in the club. We need to get shut of the players that don't want to play and bring some in that actually want to perform to the best of there ability in January.

Ewood Park needs to be a fortress like it was a few seasons ago if we have any chance of promotion and obviously were not heading in the right direction tactically and mentally. Our players are scared to stick a foot in where as a few seasons ago we were top of the foul league in the prem...we need that mentality back bully the opposition off the ball and always close down

Need to bring a midfielder in who likes to drive the play forward and actually feed Rhodes at the minute he has nothing to run on to except the odd cross. Get Nunes (he impressed me alot at the beginning of the season) and Givet back in the squad as well...I'm keeping the faith we can go up but we need changes !!
There should be no excuses, with the players we have we should be challenging for automatic promotion plus I don't fancy the play offs. The defence and a few midfielders are just staying for the money no heart in the club. We need to get shut of the players that don't want to play and bring some in that actually want to perform to the best of there ability in January. Ewood Park needs to be a fortress like it was a few seasons ago if we have any chance of promotion and obviously were not heading in the right direction tactically and mentally. Our players are scared to stick a foot in where as a few seasons ago we were top of the foul league in the prem...we need that mentality back bully the opposition off the ball and always close down Need to bring a midfielder in who likes to drive the play forward and actually feed Rhodes at the minute he has nothing to run on to except the odd cross. Get Nunes (he impressed me alot at the beginning of the season) and Givet back in the squad as well...I'm keeping the faith we can go up but we need changes !! steviesixx
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1:50pm Mon 10 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand.

Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns.

One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club.

That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand. Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns. One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club. That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of. blueblooded
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1:58pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Bazzer says...

blueblooded wrote:
George White Bread wrote:
MatthewCA wrote: As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit, Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen ) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25. Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well. I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes. My team for blackpool game. Robbo Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol lson Formica,Murphy,Enthu ,King Kazim,Rhodes. Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe ,Dunn, Pedersen,Rochina,Gom es. Work on Corners and free kicks. Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center. All the best.
Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"? 20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped. Totally and completely deluded! Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".
so you're now lowering yourself to criticising someone whose first langiage is obviously not English? How low can you go Dingle?
Or perhaps Matthew CA is having fun writing Borat style?
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit, Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen ) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25. Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well. I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes. My team for blackpool game. Robbo Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol lson Formica,Murphy,Enthu ,King Kazim,Rhodes. Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe ,Dunn, Pedersen,Rochina,Gom es. Work on Corners and free kicks. Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center. All the best.[/p][/quote]Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"? 20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped. Totally and completely deluded! Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".[/p][/quote]so you're now lowering yourself to criticising someone whose first langiage is obviously not English? How low can you go Dingle?[/p][/quote]Or perhaps Matthew CA is having fun writing Borat style? Bazzer
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2:07pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Tatts says...

If the talk is true that Southampton want to buy Dann then get him shipped off asap.
If the talk is true that Southampton want to buy Dann then get him shipped off asap. Tatts
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2:11pm Mon 10 Dec 12

carlmc1 says...

What JC states above it spot on and as he suggest listen to the podcast and you will see that the very future of the club is in serious doubt.

I understand what blue blooded is saying about supporting the team, but when you consider that the Brothers claim expenses for attending one game at a level more than the whole of the gate receipts, then you realise what a mess we are in. They are cashing in and stitching the fans up, wake up and see!

I cannot for the life of me see how the hell we will go up this year and if we don't, then next year is financial meltdown.

Sad news as that is, this is the reality of the situation. We have been well and truly sold up the river by Venkys and their entourage.
What JC states above it spot on and as he suggest listen to the podcast and you will see that the very future of the club is in serious doubt. I understand what blue blooded is saying about supporting the team, but when you consider that the Brothers claim expenses for attending one game at a level more than the whole of the gate receipts, then you realise what a mess we are in. They are cashing in and stitching the fans up, wake up and see! I cannot for the life of me see how the hell we will go up this year and if we don't, then next year is financial meltdown. Sad news as that is, this is the reality of the situation. We have been well and truly sold up the river by Venkys and their entourage. carlmc1
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2:25pm Mon 10 Dec 12

fanny_tickler. says...

Whittle Wilky wrote:
fanny_tickler. wrote:
The natives are getting restless, there's trouble brewing down at Ewood. How many more games until the Berg Out banners start appearing? 1 win in 8 attempts, battered at home 3 in a row, crowds dwindling, in-fighting, moaning, whining. What a shambles your football club has become. The laughing stock of English football.
There was plenty enough shouting Henning Berg's blue and white army on Friday to make me believe he still has the backing of the crowd.

We may not approve of his appointment and would have preferred an established and proven manager. But he is not Kean, he has not had the opportunity to appoint his own staff or choose his own players. And until he does and is then proved wanting, he will have the support of most Rovers fans. We have been there when things were bad as well as the glory days. We can see light at the end of the tunnel.
Fair enough but wasn't Berg appointed because he told the owners that he could deliver what they wanted at the first time of asking? Didn't Shebby Singh go public with promotion being the minimum requirement? To give Berg the time to appoint his own staff and players could see you drop even further.
[quote][p][bold]Whittle Wilky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fanny_tickler.[/bold] wrote: The natives are getting restless, there's trouble brewing down at Ewood. How many more games until the Berg Out banners start appearing? 1 win in 8 attempts, battered at home 3 in a row, crowds dwindling, in-fighting, moaning, whining. What a shambles your football club has become. The laughing stock of English football.[/p][/quote]There was plenty enough shouting Henning Berg's blue and white army on Friday to make me believe he still has the backing of the crowd. We may not approve of his appointment and would have preferred an established and proven manager. But he is not Kean, he has not had the opportunity to appoint his own staff or choose his own players. And until he does and is then proved wanting, he will have the support of most Rovers fans. We have been there when things were bad as well as the glory days. We can see light at the end of the tunnel.[/p][/quote]Fair enough but wasn't Berg appointed because he told the owners that he could deliver what they wanted at the first time of asking? Didn't Shebby Singh go public with promotion being the minimum requirement? To give Berg the time to appoint his own staff and players could see you drop even further. fanny_tickler.
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2:32pm Mon 10 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

carlmc1 wrote:
What JC states above it spot on and as he suggest listen to the podcast and you will see that the very future of the club is in serious doubt.

I understand what blue blooded is saying about supporting the team, but when you consider that the Brothers claim expenses for attending one game at a level more than the whole of the gate receipts, then you realise what a mess we are in. They are cashing in and stitching the fans up, wake up and see!

I cannot for the life of me see how the hell we will go up this year and if we don't, then next year is financial meltdown.

Sad news as that is, this is the reality of the situation. We have been well and truly sold up the river by Venkys and their entourage.
The problem with the podcast - I did listen to it btw, is it comes across as much as anti-venkys propaganda as it is truth. You want to show something in its true light, you need to be very balanced with how you present it.

Sadly the podcast seemed only keen to highlight the sensatiional bits like the aforementioned trips and gate reciepts.

I;m sure I am not alone, but I do not want Venkys to leave. I want them to wake up and smell the inevitable. We are six points away from the play-off places, three weeks away from January and all is not lost yet - no matter what the doom mongers and dingles may have you believe.

But we need change now - and FAST.
[quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: What JC states above it spot on and as he suggest listen to the podcast and you will see that the very future of the club is in serious doubt. I understand what blue blooded is saying about supporting the team, but when you consider that the Brothers claim expenses for attending one game at a level more than the whole of the gate receipts, then you realise what a mess we are in. They are cashing in and stitching the fans up, wake up and see! I cannot for the life of me see how the hell we will go up this year and if we don't, then next year is financial meltdown. Sad news as that is, this is the reality of the situation. We have been well and truly sold up the river by Venkys and their entourage.[/p][/quote]The problem with the podcast - I did listen to it btw, is it comes across as much as anti-venkys propaganda as it is truth. You want to show something in its true light, you need to be very balanced with how you present it. Sadly the podcast seemed only keen to highlight the sensatiional bits like the aforementioned trips and gate reciepts. I;m sure I am not alone, but I do not want Venkys to leave. I want them to wake up and smell the inevitable. We are six points away from the play-off places, three weeks away from January and all is not lost yet - no matter what the doom mongers and dingles may have you believe. But we need change now - and FAST. blueblooded
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2:34pm Mon 10 Dec 12

owd nick says...

I feel sorry for Berg, he has to defend the players publicly to a certain extent but as a class defender himself I am pretty certain he knows that three key players at the back, Robinson, Dann and Handley are not good, or in the case of Handley, experienced enough.

The main issue though is midfield, usually made up of a couple of inexperienced attack minded players, perm any two from four, and two overpaid imports who don't appear to have the heart or head for a battle.

And in this division you have to battle.

Once our opponents have won that midfield battle the defence is left wide open, and that's what has happened in the last 3 home games (it was happening before but we were sort of getting away with it).

We need experience and commitment on the field, a keeper, centre half and one or two midfielders who are willing and able to fight for the cause the moment the transfer window opens.

Berg is right, if we panic now we are dead in the water, anyone can see that the players don't like playing at Ewood, the atmosphere is pretty grim, not downright unpleasant like last year, but "wrong".

Berg needs to bring players in that are not poisoned by what has gone on so far and can slot right into the team straight away.

If he can't or isn't allowed to do that then it will be time to panic.
I feel sorry for Berg, he has to defend the players publicly to a certain extent but as a class defender himself I am pretty certain he knows that three key players at the back, Robinson, Dann and Handley are not good, or in the case of Handley, experienced enough. The main issue though is midfield, usually made up of a couple of inexperienced attack minded players, perm any two from four, and two overpaid imports who don't appear to have the heart or head for a battle. And in this division you have to battle. Once our opponents have won that midfield battle the defence is left wide open, and that's what has happened in the last 3 home games (it was happening before but we were sort of getting away with it). We need experience and commitment on the field, a keeper, centre half and one or two midfielders who are willing and able to fight for the cause the moment the transfer window opens. Berg is right, if we panic now we are dead in the water, anyone can see that the players don't like playing at Ewood, the atmosphere is pretty grim, not downright unpleasant like last year, but "wrong". Berg needs to bring players in that are not poisoned by what has gone on so far and can slot right into the team straight away. If he can't or isn't allowed to do that then it will be time to panic. owd nick
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2:35pm Mon 10 Dec 12

noirbrook says...

Read Martin Samual in todays Daily Mail.He sums it up to a tee.My opinion is that Kean should have been sacked last season along with most posts on here.However after the start we had and after he resigned,or was forced out,we should have left it at that.as things were stable.Just look at the differing solutions posted on here. Who now knows what would have been best for this season.
Read Martin Samual in todays Daily Mail.He sums it up to a tee.My opinion is that Kean should have been sacked last season along with most posts on here.However after the start we had and after he resigned,or was forced out,we should have left it at that.as things were stable.Just look at the differing solutions posted on here. Who now knows what would have been best for this season. noirbrook
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2:38pm Mon 10 Dec 12

penrithrover says...

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball.
We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down.
Bye Mr Berg.
THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more .

I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.
[quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.[/p][/quote]THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY. penrithrover
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2:39pm Mon 10 Dec 12

noddymcleod says...

Rishton tells us that when the Chuckle Bros turn up it costs us a lot, presumably because they charge their expenses to Rovers' account - could be that staying away is not cowardice in face of fans' understandable hostility but they are staying away to save us money ! Commendable. How much would we save if they took themselves away permamently ?
Berg's "don't panic" is addressed to Venkys and Shabby, who has been thankfully silent of late(is he still in the country ?).
Cardiff are a good team, Rovers are not.
Dann is useless, he was too close to the sub for the third goal, and Robbo has always been vulnerable to cross shots as for the fourth, he seems to get down too late.
If Bergo sells Dann, moves Gael the Warrior into the starting 11 at his best position, CH, gets Friedel in place of Robbo, whose big boot down field is tailor made for Sam and Caroll and plays himself in midfield instead of Et tu Brute, finds someone with more mobility than Murphy - surely that cannot be too difficult - the ship can be stabilised.
I'll be happy if we finish midtable and make a grand push next year, whether we have the finances for that, or Venkys have the stomach for that, is another matter.
Bergo does a Souey, that's the only realstic prospect.
Rishton tells us that when the Chuckle Bros turn up it costs us a lot, presumably because they charge their expenses to Rovers' account - could be that staying away is not cowardice in face of fans' understandable hostility but they are staying away to save us money ! Commendable. How much would we save if they took themselves away permamently ? Berg's "don't panic" is addressed to Venkys and Shabby, who has been thankfully silent of late(is he still in the country ?). Cardiff are a good team, Rovers are not. Dann is useless, he was too close to the sub for the third goal, and Robbo has always been vulnerable to cross shots as for the fourth, he seems to get down too late. If Bergo sells Dann, moves Gael the Warrior into the starting 11 at his best position, CH, gets Friedel in place of Robbo, whose big boot down field is tailor made for Sam and Caroll and plays himself in midfield instead of Et tu Brute, finds someone with more mobility than Murphy - surely that cannot be too difficult - the ship can be stabilised. I'll be happy if we finish midtable and make a grand push next year, whether we have the finances for that, or Venkys have the stomach for that, is another matter. Bergo does a Souey, that's the only realstic prospect. noddymcleod
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2:43pm Mon 10 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

MatthewCA wrote:
George White Bread wrote:
MatthewCA wrote:
As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit,



Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen




) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25.

Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well.

I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes.

My team for blackpool game.

Robbo
Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol



lson
Formica,Murphy,Enthu



,King
Kazim,Rhodes.

Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe



,Dunn,
Pedersen,Rochina,Gom



es.

Work on Corners and free kicks.
Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center.

All the best.
Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"?

20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped.

Totally and completely deluded!

Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".
If Man.United can win 20 games in a run, Yes We CAN. Then we will reach in our aim, otherwise you know it.
Ha ha ha ha, this just gets better, comparing yourselves to Man united!

Sorry to tell you this Matthew but the moon isn't made of cheese and unicorns are not real.
[quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit, Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen ) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25. Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well. I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes. My team for blackpool game. Robbo Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol lson Formica,Murphy,Enthu ,King Kazim,Rhodes. Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe ,Dunn, Pedersen,Rochina,Gom es. Work on Corners and free kicks. Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center. All the best.[/p][/quote]Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"? 20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped. Totally and completely deluded! Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".[/p][/quote]If Man.United can win 20 games in a run, Yes We CAN. Then we will reach in our aim, otherwise you know it.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha ha, this just gets better, comparing yourselves to Man united! Sorry to tell you this Matthew but the moon isn't made of cheese and unicorns are not real. George White Bread
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2:44pm Mon 10 Dec 12

lancs1985 says...

no berg just stick to your guns we arent good enough

the team kean

brunskill hendry black the whole sherbang want the boot,
get your own staff in henning, own players

we miss a leader in the club and a leader on the pitch

shebby sing song doesnt no his arse from elbow, he tells fans what they want to hear and plays them along,

time for him to wake up to english football n realise these portueges mard arses n barca b teamers are no dam good for championship football, we dont want pretty mard arses gracing ewood we want players what will give 110% and want to win for club
no berg just stick to your guns we arent good enough the team kean brunskill hendry black the whole sherbang want the boot, get your own staff in henning, own players we miss a leader in the club and a leader on the pitch shebby sing song doesnt no his arse from elbow, he tells fans what they want to hear and plays them along, time for him to wake up to english football n realise these portueges mard arses n barca b teamers are no dam good for championship football, we dont want pretty mard arses gracing ewood we want players what will give 110% and want to win for club lancs1985
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2:46pm Mon 10 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

blueblooded wrote:
George White Bread wrote:
MatthewCA wrote:
As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit,



Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen



) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25.

Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well.

I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes.

My team for blackpool game.

Robbo
Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol



lson
Formica,Murphy,Enthu



,King
Kazim,Rhodes.

Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe



,Dunn,
Pedersen,Rochina,Gom



es.

Work on Corners and free kicks.
Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center.

All the best.
Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"?

20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped.

Totally and completely deluded!

Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".
so you're now lowering yourself to criticising someone whose first langiage is obviously not English?

How low can you go Dingle?
I don't think his first "language" is even words, his language hasn't been invented yet. I think he's just writing down all the words he knows.
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit, Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen ) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25. Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well. I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes. My team for blackpool game. Robbo Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol lson Formica,Murphy,Enthu ,King Kazim,Rhodes. Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe ,Dunn, Pedersen,Rochina,Gom es. Work on Corners and free kicks. Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center. All the best.[/p][/quote]Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"? 20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped. Totally and completely deluded! Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".[/p][/quote]so you're now lowering yourself to criticising someone whose first langiage is obviously not English? How low can you go Dingle?[/p][/quote]I don't think his first "language" is even words, his language hasn't been invented yet. I think he's just writing down all the words he knows. George White Bread
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2:49pm Mon 10 Dec 12

carlmc1 says...

Fair comment Blue Blooded.
Fair comment Blue Blooded. carlmc1
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2:50pm Mon 10 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

http://brfcs-podcast
.brfcs.com/BRFCS-050
.mp3

Podcast is here if you want to listen to it.
http://brfcs-podcast .brfcs.com/BRFCS-050 .mp3 Podcast is here if you want to listen to it. blueblooded
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2:51pm Mon 10 Dec 12

fanny_tickler. says...

Now some of you may not like this but the short term solution might be to bring Steve Kean back on a temporary contract until the end of the season. Think about it, you were 3rd in the division until you hounded the poor man out. You looked like certainties for a strong season and an automatic promotion challenge, but since he left you've capitulated. Bring Kean back and he will steady the ship. Obviously you all owe him an apology for that to happen but maybe he'd consider rescuing you. Come back Steve!
Now some of you may not like this but the short term solution might be to bring Steve Kean back on a temporary contract until the end of the season. Think about it, you were 3rd in the division until you hounded the poor man out. You looked like certainties for a strong season and an automatic promotion challenge, but since he left you've capitulated. Bring Kean back and he will steady the ship. Obviously you all owe him an apology for that to happen but maybe he'd consider rescuing you. Come back Steve! fanny_tickler.
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2:55pm Mon 10 Dec 12

penrithrover says...

And as for the " Global Advisor " did he make that title up himself ,"global advisor " we talking here about an old established Lancashire football club or are we talking about the Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation" HSBC, global advisor what a joke.

Wow,that is some title to give yourself, can you imagine in a million trillion years Jack in his wildest dreams employing a global advisor , and then if he did ,bringing in a Sikkh guy from the Malay peninsula who his greatest claim to fame was , he played well againt Shrewsbury ,yes Shrewsbury hahaha when the semi amateur Shrewsbury were out in Malaysia on a end of season holiday jaunt ,easy to see the owners are Indians and where is Shebby`s heritage ,yes ,same /same , oh well as they say "In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king" .
And as for the " Global Advisor " did he make that title up himself ,"global advisor " we talking here about an old established Lancashire football club or are we talking about the Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation" HSBC, global advisor what a joke. Wow,that is some title to give yourself, can you imagine in a million trillion years Jack in his wildest dreams employing a global advisor , and then if he did ,bringing in a Sikkh guy from the Malay peninsula who his greatest claim to fame was , he played well againt Shrewsbury ,yes Shrewsbury hahaha when the semi amateur Shrewsbury were out in Malaysia on a end of season holiday jaunt ,easy to see the owners are Indians and where is Shebby`s heritage ,yes ,same /same , oh well as they say "In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king" . penrithrover
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3:05pm Mon 10 Dec 12

French Rover says...

penrithrover wrote:
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball.
We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down.
Bye Mr Berg.
THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more .

I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.
nutter
[quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.[/p][/quote]THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.[/p][/quote]nutter French Rover
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3:13pm Mon 10 Dec 12

penrithrover says...

French Rover wrote:
penrithrover wrote:
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball.
We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down.
Bye Mr Berg.
THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more .

I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.
nutter
FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.[/p][/quote]THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.[/p][/quote]nutter[/p][/quote]FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY . penrithrover
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3:14pm Mon 10 Dec 12

juanbbien says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess. juanbbien
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3:21pm Mon 10 Dec 12

kenbro says...

Notice that Ryan Nelsen scored this weekend in the Premiership ? Amazing that he was too crippled to play for us for months, we give him away and he's been playing ever since. Blame that on Venky's cutting costs. They are the reason we are in this mess. Kean, etc, just do their bidding.
Notice that Ryan Nelsen scored this weekend in the Premiership ? Amazing that he was too crippled to play for us for months, we give him away and he's been playing ever since. Blame that on Venky's cutting costs. They are the reason we are in this mess. Kean, etc, just do their bidding. kenbro
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3:32pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Nuttall Street says...

I see no reason not to panic, and, personally, I think a bit of panic (or as it might otherwise be described, a sense of urgency) is a good thing. Somewhere in the old memory banks I seem to recall that master of not panicking, Steve Kean, advising us along similar lines with regard to relegation.
Be that as it may Berg wants at all costs to stop trying to take positives out of being thrashed at home in the Championship 4 - 1. It's not like it was the aggregate score over two legs against Barcelona in which they got two penalties against the run of play and we had a man sent off unfairly.
I see no reason not to panic, and, personally, I think a bit of panic (or as it might otherwise be described, a sense of urgency) is a good thing. Somewhere in the old memory banks I seem to recall that master of not panicking, Steve Kean, advising us along similar lines with regard to relegation. Be that as it may Berg wants at all costs to stop trying to take positives out of being thrashed at home in the Championship 4 - 1. It's not like it was the aggregate score over two legs against Barcelona in which they got two penalties against the run of play and we had a man sent off unfairly. Nuttall Street
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4:00pm Mon 10 Dec 12

French Rover says...

penrithrover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
penrithrover wrote:
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball.
We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down.
Bye Mr Berg.
THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more .

I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.
nutter
FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .
even bigger nutter
[quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.[/p][/quote]THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.[/p][/quote]nutter[/p][/quote]FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .[/p][/quote]even bigger nutter French Rover
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4:00pm Mon 10 Dec 12

moh says...

juanbbien wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess.
I understand the gate monies only pays Murphy, Etuhu and Rhodes salary.
[quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess.[/p][/quote]I understand the gate monies only pays Murphy, Etuhu and Rhodes salary. moh
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4:00pm Mon 10 Dec 12

StLedge says...

penrithrover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
penrithrover wrote:
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.
THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.
nutter
FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .
Idiot!
[quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.[/p][/quote]THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.[/p][/quote]nutter[/p][/quote]FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .[/p][/quote]Idiot! StLedge
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4:05pm Mon 10 Dec 12

fanny_tickler. says...

Next Rovers manager... Shebby Singh?
Next Rovers manager... Shebby Singh? fanny_tickler.
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4:23pm Mon 10 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

Anyone who knows PhilipL on that podcast knows whats going on there.. absolute doom gloom and relegation talk at all times designed to get everyone panicking.

I love the fact that certain elements on here accuse people like myself for being part of the establishment, when they themselves are clearly wanting to be the establishment with their very crystal clear not so hidden agenda of fan ownership.

These people need to learn a bit of impartiality and gain some journalistic credibility (is there such a thing you wonder?) before being entertained on such podcasts for respected sites like brfcs.

Hope Kamy reads this - PhilipL is a joke. His knowledge on the accounts may be admirable, his impartiality certainly isnt.
Anyone who knows PhilipL on that podcast knows whats going on there.. absolute doom gloom and relegation talk at all times designed to get everyone panicking. I love the fact that certain elements on here accuse people like myself for being part of the establishment, when they themselves are clearly wanting to be the establishment with their very crystal clear not so hidden agenda of fan ownership. These people need to learn a bit of impartiality and gain some journalistic credibility (is there such a thing you wonder?) before being entertained on such podcasts for respected sites like brfcs. Hope Kamy reads this - PhilipL is a joke. His knowledge on the accounts may be admirable, his impartiality certainly isnt. blueblooded
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4:24pm Mon 10 Dec 12

euxtonblue says...

struggling not to panic to be honest!.............
.MR MAINWARING!
struggling not to panic to be honest!............. .MR MAINWARING! euxtonblue
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4:30pm Mon 10 Dec 12

penrithrover says...

StLedge wrote:
penrithrover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
penrithrover wrote:
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.
THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.
nutter
FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .
Idiot!
Let the Rovers supporters decide who the they think the nutter is , is it YOU according to your posts that you write ,you want to trust Berg to buy 4/5 players during the transfer window , or am the nutter someone very concerned about allowing a very inexperienced and failed manager the funds the funds to bring in these 4/5 players ,if we bring in 4/5 players , you say two central defenders and a couple of midfielders ,and one more, your stupidity could spend us out of existence, are we not entitled to be concerned that we end up with expensive dross, my view is let BERG stick with the players that were there when he made all is promises of instant promotion, if he fails at least we will have the funds available for an experienced manager to use, let the Rovers supporters decide who is the NUTTER ?

Sorry you might not get your fat bonus from Anderson if you are not able to manipulate some transfer funds out of Rovers.
[quote][p][bold]StLedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.[/p][/quote]THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.[/p][/quote]nutter[/p][/quote]FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .[/p][/quote]Idiot![/p][/quote]Let the Rovers supporters decide who the they think the nutter is , is it YOU according to your posts that you write ,you want to trust Berg to buy 4/5 players during the transfer window , or am the nutter someone very concerned about allowing a very inexperienced and failed manager the funds the funds to bring in these 4/5 players ,if we bring in 4/5 players , you say two central defenders and a couple of midfielders ,and one more, your stupidity could spend us out of existence, are we not entitled to be concerned that we end up with expensive dross, my view is let BERG stick with the players that were there when he made all is promises of instant promotion, if he fails at least we will have the funds available for an experienced manager to use, let the Rovers supporters decide who is the NUTTER ? Sorry you might not get your fat bonus from Anderson if you are not able to manipulate some transfer funds out of Rovers. penrithrover
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4:55pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Dukes says...

Its matter before Berg is sacked MARK MY WORDS.

VENKYS OUT.
Its matter before Berg is sacked MARK MY WORDS. VENKYS OUT. Dukes
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5:02pm Mon 10 Dec 12

French Rover says...

penrithrover wrote:
StLedge wrote:
penrithrover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
penrithrover wrote:
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.
THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.
nutter
FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .
Idiot!
Let the Rovers supporters decide who the they think the nutter is , is it YOU according to your posts that you write ,you want to trust Berg to buy 4/5 players during the transfer window , or am the nutter someone very concerned about allowing a very inexperienced and failed manager the funds the funds to bring in these 4/5 players ,if we bring in 4/5 players , you say two central defenders and a couple of midfielders ,and one more, your stupidity could spend us out of existence, are we not entitled to be concerned that we end up with expensive dross, my view is let BERG stick with the players that were there when he made all is promises of instant promotion, if he fails at least we will have the funds available for an experienced manager to use, let the Rovers supporters decide who is the NUTTER ?

Sorry you might not get your fat bonus from Anderson if you are not able to manipulate some transfer funds out of Rovers.
You mean Hans Christian Anderson? Or Big BEN Anderson?
[quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StLedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.[/p][/quote]THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.[/p][/quote]nutter[/p][/quote]FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .[/p][/quote]Idiot![/p][/quote]Let the Rovers supporters decide who the they think the nutter is , is it YOU according to your posts that you write ,you want to trust Berg to buy 4/5 players during the transfer window , or am the nutter someone very concerned about allowing a very inexperienced and failed manager the funds the funds to bring in these 4/5 players ,if we bring in 4/5 players , you say two central defenders and a couple of midfielders ,and one more, your stupidity could spend us out of existence, are we not entitled to be concerned that we end up with expensive dross, my view is let BERG stick with the players that were there when he made all is promises of instant promotion, if he fails at least we will have the funds available for an experienced manager to use, let the Rovers supporters decide who is the NUTTER ? Sorry you might not get your fat bonus from Anderson if you are not able to manipulate some transfer funds out of Rovers.[/p][/quote]You mean Hans Christian Anderson? Or Big BEN Anderson? French Rover
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5:22pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Bazzer says...

French Rover wrote:
penrithrover wrote:
StLedge wrote:
penrithrover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
penrithrover wrote:
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.
THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.
nutter
FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .
Idiot!
Let the Rovers supporters decide who the they think the nutter is , is it YOU according to your posts that you write ,you want to trust Berg to buy 4/5 players during the transfer window , or am the nutter someone very concerned about allowing a very inexperienced and failed manager the funds the funds to bring in these 4/5 players ,if we bring in 4/5 players , you say two central defenders and a couple of midfielders ,and one more, your stupidity could spend us out of existence, are we not entitled to be concerned that we end up with expensive dross, my view is let BERG stick with the players that were there when he made all is promises of instant promotion, if he fails at least we will have the funds available for an experienced manager to use, let the Rovers supporters decide who is the NUTTER ? Sorry you might not get your fat bonus from Anderson if you are not able to manipulate some transfer funds out of Rovers.
You mean Hans Christian Anderson? Or Big BEN Anderson?
And do you mean Alice Nutter? Sorry, could not resist it! Benjie Anderson, now there is one from the past!
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StLedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penrithrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.[/p][/quote]THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.[/p][/quote]nutter[/p][/quote]FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .[/p][/quote]Idiot![/p][/quote]Let the Rovers supporters decide who the they think the nutter is , is it YOU according to your posts that you write ,you want to trust Berg to buy 4/5 players during the transfer window , or am the nutter someone very concerned about allowing a very inexperienced and failed manager the funds the funds to bring in these 4/5 players ,if we bring in 4/5 players , you say two central defenders and a couple of midfielders ,and one more, your stupidity could spend us out of existence, are we not entitled to be concerned that we end up with expensive dross, my view is let BERG stick with the players that were there when he made all is promises of instant promotion, if he fails at least we will have the funds available for an experienced manager to use, let the Rovers supporters decide who is the NUTTER ? Sorry you might not get your fat bonus from Anderson if you are not able to manipulate some transfer funds out of Rovers.[/p][/quote]You mean Hans Christian Anderson? Or Big BEN Anderson?[/p][/quote]And do you mean Alice Nutter? Sorry, could not resist it! Benjie Anderson, now there is one from the past! Bazzer
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5:27pm Mon 10 Dec 12

stick to football says...

At the back the need is for a dominant individual who can organise the defence we have not been the same since Ryan Nelsen was out of injured.

I do not see at this point in time where Berg is coming from saying we are still exepcting promotion. It may be laudable to keep an unchanged side but only when it is performing or improving - in his 4 home games incharge that has not been the case IMO.

At the end of the day the league table doesnt lie - where do Rovers stand in the last 6 games form
table ?
At the back the need is for a dominant individual who can organise the defence we have not been the same since Ryan Nelsen was out of injured. I do not see at this point in time where Berg is coming from saying we are still exepcting promotion. It may be laudable to keep an unchanged side but only when it is performing or improving - in his 4 home games incharge that has not been the case IMO. At the end of the day the league table doesnt lie - where do Rovers stand in the last 6 games form table ? stick to football
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5:28pm Mon 10 Dec 12

FCBurnley says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
Is there also a real possibility of legal action by Steve Kean against the club regarding his dismissal / resignation ?
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]Is there also a real possibility of legal action by Steve Kean against the club regarding his dismissal / resignation ? FCBurnley
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5:40pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Rovers75 says...

blueblooded wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand.

Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns.

One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club.

That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.
agree 100%

The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship!
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand. Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns. One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club. That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.[/p][/quote]agree 100% The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship! Rovers75
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5:57pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Plasticbertrand says...

The man is obviously deluded and probably believes that Santa Claus is real. It must be something to do with bald heads.
The man is obviously deluded and probably believes that Santa Claus is real. It must be something to do with bald heads. Plasticbertrand
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6:01pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Ray Gunn says...

the premier dream is still alive?.....my goal is the premier league?....we need to improve all over the pitch?....this guy is in dream land..what happend to sheby saying we cant afford to loose three games?...."dont panic Mr Manering" springs to mind....well Mr Berk...i'm panicing..
the premier dream is still alive?.....my goal is the premier league?....we need to improve all over the pitch?....this guy is in dream land..what happend to sheby saying we cant afford to loose three games?...."dont panic Mr Manering" springs to mind....well Mr Berk...i'm panicing.. Ray Gunn
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6:16pm Mon 10 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

Cardiff are most likely the side to go up next season and a very telling peak into the future should we gain promotion of the teams we will be against, and the outcomes if things don't change.

What gets missed by the doomies is it is in Venky's interests to invest now to reap later. New backroom staff, an experienced assistant manager and coaching staff could still make a huge difference to this squad, dont forget up front we now have Best in January hopefully, Rhodes whose already showed us what hes capable of if he gets the service, King and CK who are showing potential and no doubt could amaze with the right coaching and fitness, Vukevic and Rochina who have shown sparks of brilliance at times. Lowe, Dunn, Henley, Givet are decent players lacking only coherent formation and direction.

Nunes, the other Portuguese players, some who we've never seen, so we cant just assume they're ALL crap and probably dont add to the wage bill together as much as a certain leader, theres got to be at least one or two good mid/def players in there!

WHERE IS BRUNO?

Etuhu and Murphy may have been expensive mistakes but can still be brought on as impact players as we're stuck with them until end of next season, I suppose, as can Gomes. If we can sort defence and "export" out some of our baggage (seeya Dann, Hanley!) we only need two maybe three signings in January to complete the squad.

So the question really is going to be once these backroom staff come in is: Is Berg the man for the Job?

I hope for our sakes, he is, as a recently relegated team might have inspired some top notch application, but a mid-table championship team next season certainly wont do - and thst may be the least of our problems.

For the "Kean wasn't fired" argument - Shebby isnt Venky's, trust me, I'd say old Shebsters as ruthless as they come and I doubt for a second will allow a little thing like loyalty get in the way of his ambitions.
Cardiff are most likely the side to go up next season and a very telling peak into the future should we gain promotion of the teams we will be against, and the outcomes if things don't change. What gets missed by the doomies is it is in Venky's interests to invest now to reap later. New backroom staff, an experienced assistant manager and coaching staff could still make a huge difference to this squad, dont forget up front we now have Best in January hopefully, Rhodes whose already showed us what hes capable of if he gets the service, King and CK who are showing potential and no doubt could amaze with the right coaching and fitness, Vukevic and Rochina who have shown sparks of brilliance at times. Lowe, Dunn, Henley, Givet are decent players lacking only coherent formation and direction. Nunes, the other Portuguese players, some who we've never seen, so we cant just assume they're ALL crap and probably dont add to the wage bill together as much as a certain leader, theres got to be at least one or two good mid/def players in there! WHERE IS BRUNO? Etuhu and Murphy may have been expensive mistakes but can still be brought on as impact players as we're stuck with them until end of next season, I suppose, as can Gomes. If we can sort defence and "export" out some of our baggage (seeya Dann, Hanley!) we only need two maybe three signings in January to complete the squad. So the question really is going to be once these backroom staff come in is: Is Berg the man for the Job? I hope for our sakes, he is, as a recently relegated team might have inspired some top notch application, but a mid-table championship team next season certainly wont do - and thst may be the least of our problems. For the "Kean wasn't fired" argument - Shebby isnt Venky's, trust me, I'd say old Shebsters as ruthless as they come and I doubt for a second will allow a little thing like loyalty get in the way of his ambitions. blueblooded
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6:17pm Mon 10 Dec 12

J.C - Rishton says...

blueblooded wrote:
carlmc1 wrote:
What JC states above it spot on and as he suggest listen to the podcast and you will see that the very future of the club is in serious doubt.

I understand what blue blooded is saying about supporting the team, but when you consider that the Brothers claim expenses for attending one game at a level more than the whole of the gate receipts, then you realise what a mess we are in. They are cashing in and stitching the fans up, wake up and see!

I cannot for the life of me see how the hell we will go up this year and if we don't, then next year is financial meltdown.

Sad news as that is, this is the reality of the situation. We have been well and truly sold up the river by Venkys and their entourage.
The problem with the podcast - I did listen to it btw, is it comes across as much as anti-venkys propaganda as it is truth. You want to show something in its true light, you need to be very balanced with how you present it.

Sadly the podcast seemed only keen to highlight the sensatiional bits like the aforementioned trips and gate reciepts.

I;m sure I am not alone, but I do not want Venkys to leave. I want them to wake up and smell the inevitable. We are six points away from the play-off places, three weeks away from January and all is not lost yet - no matter what the doom mongers and dingles may have you believe.

But we need change now - and FAST.
Hi - I agree that the fans should not stay away but the podcast WAS NOT "anti-Venkys" - it simply went through the accounts point by point.

The DEBT is there in the accounts for all to see.

Venkys themselves state that our income stream CANNOT fund our outgoings in the medium term - that is VENKYS which state that in the accounts NOT the podcast team.

Venkys THEMSELVES state in the accounts that (as at 1st July 2012) player wages to turnover is 92.2% - thats not the podcast team, thats IN the accounts in black and white !!

No business can lose money at the rate that BRFC is currently doing - our outgoings this season must be roughly 70-100% more than our outgoings - how is that SUSTAINABLE ???

This isnt me being "negative" - this is what our recently published accounts TELL US - go and have a good luck at them and listen to the podcast (#50) which will help you understand what is written in them - they are turely frightening for any Rovers fan.

Unless the club cut their spending MASSIVELY and soon, or Rovers get promoted or a buyer with £100m+ comes out of no-where or Venkys truely write a cheque for £50m then in the next 12-24 months the financial wheels are going to come off the club and many of you are going to say you are surprised to find the club is £100m in debt with NO CHANCE of ever paying it off !
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: What JC states above it spot on and as he suggest listen to the podcast and you will see that the very future of the club is in serious doubt. I understand what blue blooded is saying about supporting the team, but when you consider that the Brothers claim expenses for attending one game at a level more than the whole of the gate receipts, then you realise what a mess we are in. They are cashing in and stitching the fans up, wake up and see! I cannot for the life of me see how the hell we will go up this year and if we don't, then next year is financial meltdown. Sad news as that is, this is the reality of the situation. We have been well and truly sold up the river by Venkys and their entourage.[/p][/quote]The problem with the podcast - I did listen to it btw, is it comes across as much as anti-venkys propaganda as it is truth. You want to show something in its true light, you need to be very balanced with how you present it. Sadly the podcast seemed only keen to highlight the sensatiional bits like the aforementioned trips and gate reciepts. I;m sure I am not alone, but I do not want Venkys to leave. I want them to wake up and smell the inevitable. We are six points away from the play-off places, three weeks away from January and all is not lost yet - no matter what the doom mongers and dingles may have you believe. But we need change now - and FAST.[/p][/quote]Hi - I agree that the fans should not stay away but the podcast WAS NOT "anti-Venkys" - it simply went through the accounts point by point. The DEBT is there in the accounts for all to see. Venkys themselves state that our income stream CANNOT fund our outgoings in the medium term - that is VENKYS which state that in the accounts NOT the podcast team. Venkys THEMSELVES state in the accounts that (as at 1st July 2012) player wages to turnover is 92.2% - thats not the podcast team, thats IN the accounts in black and white !! No business can lose money at the rate that BRFC is currently doing - our outgoings this season must be roughly 70-100% more than our outgoings - how is that SUSTAINABLE ??? This isnt me being "negative" - this is what our recently published accounts TELL US - go and have a good luck at them and listen to the podcast (#50) which will help you understand what is written in them - they are turely frightening for any Rovers fan. Unless the club cut their spending MASSIVELY and soon, or Rovers get promoted or a buyer with £100m+ comes out of no-where or Venkys truely write a cheque for £50m then in the next 12-24 months the financial wheels are going to come off the club and many of you are going to say you are surprised to find the club is £100m in debt with NO CHANCE of ever paying it off ! J.C - Rishton
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6:24pm Mon 10 Dec 12

JPainter90 says...

It's all well and good that he has highlighted the problems but there is no use in adding a pinch of sugar to make things sound better than they were. "We are not a million miles away"...

I'm afraid we are Mr Berg. Cardiff walked all over us for large chunks of the game and if you're looking for promotion then other teams shouldn't be making us look like the bottom half side we are. Even the bastards walked all over us in the first half.

I accept that Berg can't turn things around in a matter of a couple of months without the chance to invest and make the team his own but we should at least be seeing improvements.

It will be nice to see backroom staff changes and some good signings in January, all we can hope for is to hang around the top half until then. There have been some par performances but nothing like what we need for promotion. Keep dreaming Berg, promotion, my arse.
It's all well and good that he has highlighted the problems but there is no use in adding a pinch of sugar to make things sound better than they were. "We are not a million miles away"... I'm afraid we are Mr Berg. Cardiff walked all over us for large chunks of the game and if you're looking for promotion then other teams shouldn't be making us look like the bottom half side we are. Even the bastards walked all over us in the first half. I accept that Berg can't turn things around in a matter of a couple of months without the chance to invest and make the team his own but we should at least be seeing improvements. It will be nice to see backroom staff changes and some good signings in January, all we can hope for is to hang around the top half until then. There have been some par performances but nothing like what we need for promotion. Keep dreaming Berg, promotion, my arse. JPainter90
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6:24pm Mon 10 Dec 12

J.C - Rishton says...

juanbbien wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess.
Hi Juanbbien

No it is NOT me that says when the brothers attend they spend more on the trip (billed to the club) than we take in gate receipts for that game - it is shown in the ACCOUNTS.

This is just 1 example of the madness of situations shown in the accounts - listen to the podcast (#50) buy the accounts - if you can read a balance sheet then take a close look for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess.[/p][/quote]Hi Juanbbien No it is NOT me that says when the brothers attend they spend more on the trip (billed to the club) than we take in gate receipts for that game - it is shown in the ACCOUNTS. This is just 1 example of the madness of situations shown in the accounts - listen to the podcast (#50) buy the accounts - if you can read a balance sheet then take a close look for yourself. J.C - Rishton
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6:30pm Mon 10 Dec 12

J.C - Rishton says...

blueblooded wrote:
Anyone who knows PhilipL on that podcast knows whats going on there.. absolute doom gloom and relegation talk at all times designed to get everyone panicking.

I love the fact that certain elements on here accuse people like myself for being part of the establishment, when they themselves are clearly wanting to be the establishment with their very crystal clear not so hidden agenda of fan ownership.

These people need to learn a bit of impartiality and gain some journalistic credibility (is there such a thing you wonder?) before being entertained on such podcasts for respected sites like brfcs.

Hope Kamy reads this - PhilipL is a joke. His knowledge on the accounts may be admirable, his impartiality certainly isnt.
Why are you saying this rubbish ???

The accounts STATE certain things in BLACK and WHITE -

they state -

player wages to turnover is 92.2%.

Debt is £20m (approx).

Rovers cannot fund themselves in the medium term in the current format.

Those 3 things I have just written are also written in the Venkys (London) Ltd accounts - they are nothing to do with ANY "doom monger" or any journalist" - THEY ARE WRITTEN IN THE ACCOUNTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What don't you understand about that statement - if you don't beleive me then go and read them for yourself
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: Anyone who knows PhilipL on that podcast knows whats going on there.. absolute doom gloom and relegation talk at all times designed to get everyone panicking. I love the fact that certain elements on here accuse people like myself for being part of the establishment, when they themselves are clearly wanting to be the establishment with their very crystal clear not so hidden agenda of fan ownership. These people need to learn a bit of impartiality and gain some journalistic credibility (is there such a thing you wonder?) before being entertained on such podcasts for respected sites like brfcs. Hope Kamy reads this - PhilipL is a joke. His knowledge on the accounts may be admirable, his impartiality certainly isnt.[/p][/quote]Why are you saying this rubbish ??? The accounts STATE certain things in BLACK and WHITE - they state - player wages to turnover is 92.2%. Debt is £20m (approx). Rovers cannot fund themselves in the medium term in the current format. Those 3 things I have just written are also written in the Venkys (London) Ltd accounts - they are nothing to do with ANY "doom monger" or any journalist" - THEY ARE WRITTEN IN THE ACCOUNTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What don't you understand about that statement - if you don't beleive me then go and read them for yourself J.C - Rishton
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6:30pm Mon 10 Dec 12

A Rover 45 years and over says...

The only person who has started to PANIC is you Henning because you can't get results. Now your looking at back room staff as just recently you said you were satisfied with them. Venky's will PANIC because they have took you on 3 year contract and already we are bang on relegation form. Steve Kean and Venky's are to blame for shifting out a lot of the experience players and bringing in so called bargains or over the hill guys looking for a last pay day. If only we had a Rian Nelson in defence now or big Sam as Manager we might stand a chance. But Venky's didn't want any of that because they think they know it all and know nothing. Can't see us getting any were while they are here apart from relegation and relegation.
The only person who has started to PANIC is you Henning because you can't get results. Now your looking at back room staff as just recently you said you were satisfied with them. Venky's will PANIC because they have took you on 3 year contract and already we are bang on relegation form. Steve Kean and Venky's are to blame for shifting out a lot of the experience players and bringing in so called bargains or over the hill guys looking for a last pay day. If only we had a Rian Nelson in defence now or big Sam as Manager we might stand a chance. But Venky's didn't want any of that because they think they know it all and know nothing. Can't see us getting any were while they are here apart from relegation and relegation. A Rover 45 years and over
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6:36pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Bazzer says...

If JCs analysis of the accounts is correct, and a quick look suggests to me he is...then the Bhatti Brothers warning rumbles louder and louder. The way it is going we may just be able to afford snapping up 71 years old John McNamee!
If JCs analysis of the accounts is correct, and a quick look suggests to me he is...then the Bhatti Brothers warning rumbles louder and louder. The way it is going we may just be able to afford snapping up 71 years old John McNamee! Bazzer
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6:36pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Captain Dreckley says...

juanbbien wrote:
According to the daily mail Adkins Southampton manager is considering a January move for Dann around the six million mark,their is a God after all.
Do they want us to pay 6 mill for them to take him???? I cannot decide who was the biggest waste of money at Rovers, Dann or Kevin Davies. Opinions gentlemen
[quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: According to the daily mail Adkins Southampton manager is considering a January move for Dann around the six million mark,their is a God after all.[/p][/quote]Do they want us to pay 6 mill for them to take him???? I cannot decide who was the biggest waste of money at Rovers, Dann or Kevin Davies. Opinions gentlemen Captain Dreckley
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6:41pm Mon 10 Dec 12

juanbbien says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
juanbbien wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess.
Hi Juanbbien

No it is NOT me that says when the brothers attend they spend more on the trip (billed to the club) than we take in gate receipts for that game - it is shown in the ACCOUNTS.

This is just 1 example of the madness of situations shown in the accounts - listen to the podcast (#50) buy the accounts - if you can read a balance sheet then take a close look for yourself.
Hi. JC Yes I appreciate it wasnt coming from Your own thoughts I was just reiterating what you had stated and commenting on it.My son as just E-Mailed me from his home in Paris I'm not sure were he as got the information from but he says there are going to be backroom changes this week,one of which is Hendry on his way.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess.[/p][/quote]Hi Juanbbien No it is NOT me that says when the brothers attend they spend more on the trip (billed to the club) than we take in gate receipts for that game - it is shown in the ACCOUNTS. This is just 1 example of the madness of situations shown in the accounts - listen to the podcast (#50) buy the accounts - if you can read a balance sheet then take a close look for yourself.[/p][/quote]Hi. JC Yes I appreciate it wasnt coming from Your own thoughts I was just reiterating what you had stated and commenting on it.My son as just E-Mailed me from his home in Paris I'm not sure were he as got the information from but he says there are going to be backroom changes this week,one of which is Hendry on his way. juanbbien
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6:43pm Mon 10 Dec 12

juanbbien says...

Captain Dreckley wrote:
juanbbien wrote:
According to the daily mail Adkins Southampton manager is considering a January move for Dann around the six million mark,their is a God after all.
Do they want us to pay 6 mill for them to take him???? I cannot decide who was the biggest waste of money at Rovers, Dann or Kevin Davies. Opinions gentlemen
Add Grabbi to the list
[quote][p][bold]Captain Dreckley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: According to the daily mail Adkins Southampton manager is considering a January move for Dann around the six million mark,their is a God after all.[/p][/quote]Do they want us to pay 6 mill for them to take him???? I cannot decide who was the biggest waste of money at Rovers, Dann or Kevin Davies. Opinions gentlemen[/p][/quote]Add Grabbi to the list juanbbien
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6:46pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Road Runner Road Runner says...

JC, Noddy Mc, CarlMC1 and Blueblooded - I tip my hat to your fine posts today.

The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

The good ship Ewood will stabilize just what state it will be in at that point is yet to be revealed ?

But, in my opinion, support such as yours is the lifeblood of our club.

Were coming through !

Arte et labore
JC, Noddy Mc, CarlMC1 and Blueblooded - I tip my hat to your fine posts today. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. The good ship Ewood will stabilize just what state it will be in at that point is yet to be revealed ? But, in my opinion, support such as yours is the lifeblood of our club. Were coming through ! Arte et labore Road Runner Road Runner
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6:47pm Mon 10 Dec 12

J.C - Rishton says...

Rovers75 wrote:
blueblooded wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand.

Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns.

One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club.

That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.
agree 100%

The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship!
Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT).

Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers.

I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ??

If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically -

In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m.

Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week.

Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE.

What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin.
[quote][p][bold]Rovers75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand. Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns. One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club. That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.[/p][/quote]agree 100% The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship![/p][/quote]Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT). Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers. I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ?? If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically - In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m. Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week. Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE. What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin. J.C - Rishton
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7:02pm Mon 10 Dec 12

dangerous dave says...

Mr Berg - the Rovers are just as far away from their Premiership dream as the Clubs Owners are from Blackburn, sitting in their Office in India - and yes panic has set in with some abysmal performances - however Blueblooded has all the answers with the many posts he places on this site - he could well be sitting in the dug out at Ewood directing operations !!
OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH BLACK HENDRY VENKYS
Mr Berg - the Rovers are just as far away from their Premiership dream as the Clubs Owners are from Blackburn, sitting in their Office in India - and yes panic has set in with some abysmal performances - however Blueblooded has all the answers with the many posts he places on this site - he could well be sitting in the dug out at Ewood directing operations !! OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH BLACK HENDRY VENKYS dangerous dave
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7:22pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Walkerstandrover says...

Don't panic - found a screwed up piece paper by the dug out. Must mean things are going to change?
Keeper – Forget early season instruction to play out from the back. Revert to punt down field, preferably to left wing, even if nobody out wide.
Right back – don’t expect any support when overlapping, you’re on your own.
Centre backs – pass to and fro a few times then whack up field. Take up any position you like and give plenty of room to opposing players.
Left Back – Keep well away from centre back, opposition are used to exploiting this space
Centre Midfield - stay near to centre circle, keep well away from either penalty area. Move slowly. Always pass sideways or backwards and with slow pace on the pass. Do not apply pressure on ball until opposition advance to 25 yards from goal.
Wide midfield – never advance in front of lone striker. Do not apply pressure on opposition in their own half. Shoot on goal only as a last resort .
Striker – you’re on your own. Run around to keep warm. Meet up with your team mates at the final whistle.
Subs: Come on pitch at half time for a lark around.
Don't panic - found a screwed up piece paper by the dug out. Must mean things are going to change? Keeper – Forget early season instruction to play out from the back. Revert to punt down field, preferably to left wing, even if nobody out wide. Right back – don’t expect any support when overlapping, you’re on your own. Centre backs – pass to and fro a few times then whack up field. Take up any position you like and give plenty of room to opposing players. Left Back – Keep well away from centre back, opposition are used to exploiting this space Centre Midfield - stay near to centre circle, keep well away from either penalty area. Move slowly. Always pass sideways or backwards and with slow pace on the pass. Do not apply pressure on ball until opposition advance to 25 yards from goal. Wide midfield – never advance in front of lone striker. Do not apply pressure on opposition in their own half. Shoot on goal only as a last resort . Striker – you’re on your own. Run around to keep warm. Meet up with your team mates at the final whistle. Subs: Come on pitch at half time for a lark around. Walkerstandrover
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7:24pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Bazzer says...

juanbbien wrote:
Captain Dreckley wrote:
juanbbien wrote: According to the daily mail Adkins Southampton manager is considering a January move for Dann around the six million mark,their is a God after all.
Do they want us to pay 6 mill for them to take him???? I cannot decide who was the biggest waste of money at Rovers, Dann or Kevin Davies. Opinions gentlemen
Add Grabbi to the list
Martin Britt.
[quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Dreckley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: According to the daily mail Adkins Southampton manager is considering a January move for Dann around the six million mark,their is a God after all.[/p][/quote]Do they want us to pay 6 mill for them to take him???? I cannot decide who was the biggest waste of money at Rovers, Dann or Kevin Davies. Opinions gentlemen[/p][/quote]Add Grabbi to the list[/p][/quote]Martin Britt. Bazzer
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7:46pm Mon 10 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Rovers75 wrote:
blueblooded wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand.

Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns.

One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club.

That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.
agree 100%

The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship!
Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT).

Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers.

I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ??

If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically -

In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m.

Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week.

Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE.

What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin.
Nobody doubts the gravity of the situation JC.

The writing was on the wall way before the accounts were published. My point simply is we, the fans need to get behind the team not call for further boycotts unlike some deluded fans with wishful dreams of owning a piece of the club or any other personal objections like foreign ownership.

The point you made that was stated in the podcast about the cost of Venky's trips to Ewood may allude that we are only lining Venky's pockets by attending as smelly and his bunch of tinfoil misfits have been whining about, whereas, it should be clear to all that the team if not the club needs us more now than ever before - we are the 12th man and you and I both know the difference we can make.

If our club is to implode, not attending the matches is certainly not going to save it. It may not be easy watching what is happening to the club, it at times feels like helplessly watching a loved one wasting away from a terminal illness. But just as you would never think to turn your back on them when they need you the most, how can we turn our back on what for most us has been as big a part of our lives, on the pretext that being supportive to them is too painful to watch?

We say we are "Rovers Till I Die". Those are not mere words to us. I have yet to hear a coherent argument as to what can be achieved by staying away. I have stated mine many times for attending.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rovers75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand. Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns. One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club. That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.[/p][/quote]agree 100% The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship![/p][/quote]Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT). Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers. I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ?? If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically - In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m. Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week. Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE. What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin.[/p][/quote]Nobody doubts the gravity of the situation JC. The writing was on the wall way before the accounts were published. My point simply is we, the fans need to get behind the team not call for further boycotts unlike some deluded fans with wishful dreams of owning a piece of the club or any other personal objections like foreign ownership. The point you made that was stated in the podcast about the cost of Venky's trips to Ewood may allude that we are only lining Venky's pockets by attending as smelly and his bunch of tinfoil misfits have been whining about, whereas, it should be clear to all that the team if not the club needs us more now than ever before - we are the 12th man and you and I both know the difference we can make. If our club is to implode, not attending the matches is certainly not going to save it. It may not be easy watching what is happening to the club, it at times feels like helplessly watching a loved one wasting away from a terminal illness. But just as you would never think to turn your back on them when they need you the most, how can we turn our back on what for most us has been as big a part of our lives, on the pretext that being supportive to them is too painful to watch? We say we are "Rovers Till I Die". Those are not mere words to us. I have yet to hear a coherent argument as to what can be achieved by staying away. I have stated mine many times for attending. blueblooded
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7:55pm Mon 10 Dec 12

J.C - Rishton says...

blueblooded wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Rovers75 wrote:
blueblooded wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand.

Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns.

One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club.

That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.
agree 100%

The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship!
Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT).


Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers.

I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ??

If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically -

In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m.

Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week.

Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE.

What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin.
Nobody doubts the gravity of the situation JC.

The writing was on the wall way before the accounts were published. My point simply is we, the fans need to get behind the team not call for further boycotts unlike some deluded fans with wishful dreams of owning a piece of the club or any other personal objections like foreign ownership.

The point you made that was stated in the podcast about the cost of Venky's trips to Ewood may allude that we are only lining Venky's pockets by attending as smelly and his bunch of tinfoil misfits have been whining about, whereas, it should be clear to all that the team if not the club needs us more now than ever before - we are the 12th man and you and I both know the difference we can make.

If our club is to implode, not attending the matches is certainly not going to save it. It may not be easy watching what is happening to the club, it at times feels like helplessly watching a loved one wasting away from a terminal illness. But just as you would never think to turn your back on them when they need you the most, how can we turn our back on what for most us has been as big a part of our lives, on the pretext that being supportive to them is too painful to watch?

We say we are "Rovers Till I Die". Those are not mere words to us. I have yet to hear a coherent argument as to what can be achieved by staying away. I have stated mine many times for attending.
Hi Blueblooded - yes, thats fair enough, some good points, well made.

I also agree that fans need to support the club as much as possible and I also agree with you as to how hard it is to watch the team at times now but that boycotting is not the answer.

Difficult times at the moment and possibly over the next year or 2 but sometimes in football things can change for the better quite quickly (a couple decent signings in Jan could transform this from an ave team to a reasonably good one).

We live in hope !!
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rovers75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand. Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns. One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club. That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.[/p][/quote]agree 100% The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship![/p][/quote]Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT). Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers. I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ?? If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically - In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m. Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week. Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE. What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin.[/p][/quote]Nobody doubts the gravity of the situation JC. The writing was on the wall way before the accounts were published. My point simply is we, the fans need to get behind the team not call for further boycotts unlike some deluded fans with wishful dreams of owning a piece of the club or any other personal objections like foreign ownership. The point you made that was stated in the podcast about the cost of Venky's trips to Ewood may allude that we are only lining Venky's pockets by attending as smelly and his bunch of tinfoil misfits have been whining about, whereas, it should be clear to all that the team if not the club needs us more now than ever before - we are the 12th man and you and I both know the difference we can make. If our club is to implode, not attending the matches is certainly not going to save it. It may not be easy watching what is happening to the club, it at times feels like helplessly watching a loved one wasting away from a terminal illness. But just as you would never think to turn your back on them when they need you the most, how can we turn our back on what for most us has been as big a part of our lives, on the pretext that being supportive to them is too painful to watch? We say we are "Rovers Till I Die". Those are not mere words to us. I have yet to hear a coherent argument as to what can be achieved by staying away. I have stated mine many times for attending.[/p][/quote]Hi Blueblooded - yes, thats fair enough, some good points, well made. I also agree that fans need to support the club as much as possible and I also agree with you as to how hard it is to watch the team at times now but that boycotting is not the answer. Difficult times at the moment and possibly over the next year or 2 but sometimes in football things can change for the better quite quickly (a couple decent signings in Jan could transform this from an ave team to a reasonably good one). We live in hope !! J.C - Rishton
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8:08pm Mon 10 Dec 12

clitheroe blue boy says...

'We are not a million miles away from our premier dream? Has Berg been watching a different team?

We have been very poor, 1 win in 8 tells the story.

Think he's inherited Steve Keans book of stupid quotes.

Get Mark Hughes in quick before we slide further down the table.

And while your at it, get rid of Shabby Minge and the robbing joke of a defensive coach in Colin Hendry.
'We are not a million miles away from our premier dream? Has Berg been watching a different team? We have been very poor, 1 win in 8 tells the story. Think he's inherited Steve Keans book of stupid quotes. Get Mark Hughes in quick before we slide further down the table. And while your at it, get rid of Shabby Minge and the robbing joke of a defensive coach in Colin Hendry. clitheroe blue boy
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8:08pm Mon 10 Dec 12

bburnrover says...

The major problem in our squad beside the defence is the midfield are to light weight.urpy hasnt got the energy and height required Formica is easily knocked off the ball and his first touch can be poor,Rochina is just too greedy and self centered.We need a bruiser in there who can put it about and upset a few people.Hanley nd Dann are not good enough and Dann should be sold in the transfer window and te money used to get two decent triers who will put in a full shift.
The major problem in our squad beside the defence is the midfield are to light weight.urpy hasnt got the energy and height required Formica is easily knocked off the ball and his first touch can be poor,Rochina is just too greedy and self centered.We need a bruiser in there who can put it about and upset a few people.Hanley nd Dann are not good enough and Dann should be sold in the transfer window and te money used to get two decent triers who will put in a full shift. bburnrover
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8:11pm Mon 10 Dec 12

wilpshireover says...

I have been supporting teams at all levels since 1958 and that was one of the most inept defensive performances I can recall ever seeing.

Don't panic - you have got to be joking. The only thing that will spark this team into life would be a sharp kick up the backside.

And if the team would stop continually passing back it would help. The target is at the other end of the pitch, can someone kindly tell the players
I have been supporting teams at all levels since 1958 and that was one of the most inept defensive performances I can recall ever seeing. Don't panic - you have got to be joking. The only thing that will spark this team into life would be a sharp kick up the backside. And if the team would stop continually passing back it would help. The target is at the other end of the pitch, can someone kindly tell the players wilpshireover
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8:35pm Mon 10 Dec 12

kazluvsrovers says...

Why are'nt there any thumbs up or down anymore???
Why are'nt there any thumbs up or down anymore??? kazluvsrovers
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8:43pm Mon 10 Dec 12

drunken donut says...

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
There is no panic from this side Mr Berg only a recognition that all stops have to be pulled out, and that you find the players who can fill this void that is so apparent.

Have you got it in you to turn this sorry mess around ? I believe you have.

Arte et labore
Oh have you started going to Ewood again woody.
[quote][p][bold]Road Runner Road Runner[/bold] wrote: There is no panic from this side Mr Berg only a recognition that all stops have to be pulled out, and that you find the players who can fill this void that is so apparent. Have you got it in you to turn this sorry mess around ? I believe you have. Arte et labore[/p][/quote]Oh have you started going to Ewood again woody. drunken donut
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8:46pm Mon 10 Dec 12

roverinmanchstr says...

blueblooded wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand. Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns. One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club. That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.
Hmmmn I seem to be mis- informed...Ney LIED TO..Were not the Venky's going to Sign all these top internationals when they took over!!!! (Nothing was said about attendances then)...............
..... Now all of a sudden those Lying 'besterds' are now forming Plan C ( Plan A and Plan B failed miserably over 2 years)
No way I am prepared to go and support these Tw.ts....
I enjoy watching Gary Flitcroft'sChorley even though they are going thru a difficult time (ON THE PITCH) C'mon you Magpies!!!!
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand. Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns. One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club. That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.[/p][/quote]Hmmmn I seem to be mis- informed...Ney LIED TO..Were not the Venky's going to Sign all these top internationals when they took over!!!! (Nothing was said about attendances then)............... ..... Now all of a sudden those Lying 'besterds' are now forming Plan C ( Plan A and Plan B failed miserably over 2 years) No way I am prepared to go and support these Tw.ts.... I enjoy watching Gary Flitcroft'sChorley even though they are going thru a difficult time (ON THE PITCH) C'mon you Magpies!!!! roverinmanchstr
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9:13pm Mon 10 Dec 12

we r longside burnley says...

what makes me smile most is the fact that when we play you again are win will relegate you muhahaha btw panic room gr8 film
what makes me smile most is the fact that when we play you again are win will relegate you muhahaha btw panic room gr8 film we r longside burnley
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9:13pm Mon 10 Dec 12

maggie-T says...

Man the lifeboats
Man the lifeboats maggie-T
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9:34pm Mon 10 Dec 12

BlueSkies says...

JC, excellent posts today pointing out the poor financial climate facing the club ( several of us were discussing the scenario this weekend). It is indeed a recipe for disaster but we still support the club. We are not in a position to change things but ultimately change will happen and the fans will be left to pick up the pieces.

I genuinely think Venkys care nothing for BRFC and will walk away at some point in the not too distant future.

We have a massively unsustainable wage bill. The summer signings of Murphy, Gomes etc and the entire no-marks of Portuguese football are now contracted to BRFC and are unlikely to want to leave any time soon. Their signings were not sound football decisions which suggests the hands of agents still influence the running of the club as recently as this summer.

I doubt funds will be made available in January unless we can shift some of the no-marks we've just signed!!!! In fact I would say this is one of the poorest set of players in the history of the club. With the exception of Rhodes, is there another who would guarantee a start in any of the top 6 in the Championship? And as for the Prem, forget it.

Henning has mission impossible. Promotion with this current crop is not going to happen. Remember, this is Kean's squad.
JC, excellent posts today pointing out the poor financial climate facing the club ( several of us were discussing the scenario this weekend). It is indeed a recipe for disaster but we still support the club. We are not in a position to change things but ultimately change will happen and the fans will be left to pick up the pieces. I genuinely think Venkys care nothing for BRFC and will walk away at some point in the not too distant future. We have a massively unsustainable wage bill. The summer signings of Murphy, Gomes etc and the entire no-marks of Portuguese football are now contracted to BRFC and are unlikely to want to leave any time soon. Their signings were not sound football decisions which suggests the hands of agents still influence the running of the club as recently as this summer. I doubt funds will be made available in January unless we can shift some of the no-marks we've just signed!!!! In fact I would say this is one of the poorest set of players in the history of the club. With the exception of Rhodes, is there another who would guarantee a start in any of the top 6 in the Championship? And as for the Prem, forget it. Henning has mission impossible. Promotion with this current crop is not going to happen. Remember, this is Kean's squad. BlueSkies
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11:56pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Nurseman says...

Do not agree with our defence being our main problem. The midfield is like a vacuum, sucking in every attack by the opposition and leading it right to our defensive line. Jones, samba and nelson would I'm sure find it very difficult to defend.
I reckon we need in ths order: a manager, and a new midfield.
It seems poor tactics and training more than anything
Do not agree with our defence being our main problem. The midfield is like a vacuum, sucking in every attack by the opposition and leading it right to our defensive line. Jones, samba and nelson would I'm sure find it very difficult to defend. I reckon we need in ths order: a manager, and a new midfield. It seems poor tactics and training more than anything Nurseman
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1:04am Tue 11 Dec 12

dg666 says...

The problem is the amount of pressure allowed on the back line, yes CH will head the majority of the game and clear lines. My real concern is that the midfield are not stopping the supply into our opposing teams advanced players. We are not tight enough, we don't work HARD enough and we don't seem to have the bloody passion to go and win individual battles never mind the bloody war that is presented to us weekly. As one and all we need to win our individual battles, that might mean out singing our opponents, backing our chaps to the hilt, and fcking being positive for once. I can talk about the team all night, but true BRFC fans / supporters get behind that wonderful club that we call our own!!
The problem is the amount of pressure allowed on the back line, yes CH will head the majority of the game and clear lines. My real concern is that the midfield are not stopping the supply into our opposing teams advanced players. We are not tight enough, we don't work HARD enough and we don't seem to have the bloody passion to go and win individual battles never mind the bloody war that is presented to us weekly. As one and all we need to win our individual battles, that might mean out singing our opponents, backing our chaps to the hilt, and fcking being positive for once. I can talk about the team all night, but true BRFC fans / supporters get behind that wonderful club that we call our own!! dg666
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1:57am Tue 11 Dec 12

penrithrover says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Rovers75 wrote:
blueblooded wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand.

Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns.

One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club.

That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.
agree 100%

The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship!
Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT).

Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers.

I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ??

If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically -

In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m.

Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week.

Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE.

What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin.
Why then do we have a manager who was a centre back and then we employ , a so called specialist defensive coach ,it makes NO SENSE !

Surely the reputed 8,000 pounds a week we are paying Colin Hendry to sit around all day and read "the Sporting Life " could be better used , that is our biggest waste of money , his only contribution so far has been to tell SKY Sports that the majority of Rovers supporters are fully behind his mate Steven Kean , at the games he looks like a rabbit caught in he headlights with a Robin Reliant heading his way, he just stares into space.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rovers75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand. Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns. One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club. That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.[/p][/quote]agree 100% The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship![/p][/quote]Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT). Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers. I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ?? If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically - In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m. Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week. Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE. What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin.[/p][/quote]Why then do we have a manager who was a centre back and then we employ , a so called specialist defensive coach ,it makes NO SENSE ! Surely the reputed 8,000 pounds a week we are paying Colin Hendry to sit around all day and read "the Sporting Life " could be better used , that is our biggest waste of money , his only contribution so far has been to tell SKY Sports that the majority of Rovers supporters are fully behind his mate Steven Kean , at the games he looks like a rabbit caught in he headlights with a Robin Reliant heading his way, he just stares into space. penrithrover
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6:27am Tue 11 Dec 12

spike t says...

The gift that is Venkys keeps on giving!
The gift that is Venkys keeps on giving! spike t
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6:50am Tue 11 Dec 12

Roverthere says...

blueblooded wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Rovers75 wrote:
blueblooded wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand.

Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns.

One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club.

That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.
agree 100%

The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship!
Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT).

Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers.

I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ??

If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically -

In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m.

Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week.

Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE.

What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin.
Nobody doubts the gravity of the situation JC.

The writing was on the wall way before the accounts were published. My point simply is we, the fans need to get behind the team not call for further boycotts unlike some deluded fans with wishful dreams of owning a piece of the club or any other personal objections like foreign ownership.

The point you made that was stated in the podcast about the cost of Venky's trips to Ewood may allude that we are only lining Venky's pockets by attending as smelly and his bunch of tinfoil misfits have been whining about, whereas, it should be clear to all that the team if not the club needs us more now than ever before - we are the 12th man and you and I both know the difference we can make.

If our club is to implode, not attending the matches is certainly not going to save it. It may not be easy watching what is happening to the club, it at times feels like helplessly watching a loved one wasting away from a terminal illness. But just as you would never think to turn your back on them when they need you the most, how can we turn our back on what for most us has been as big a part of our lives, on the pretext that being supportive to them is too painful to watch?

We say we are "Rovers Till I Die". Those are not mere words to us. I have yet to hear a coherent argument as to what can be achieved by staying away. I have stated mine many times for attending.
Let's face it, we are fxxked. Maybe better a quick demise than a long spiraling decline?
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rovers75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand. Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns. One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club. That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.[/p][/quote]agree 100% The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship![/p][/quote]Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT). Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers. I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ?? If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically - In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m. Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week. Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE. What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin.[/p][/quote]Nobody doubts the gravity of the situation JC. The writing was on the wall way before the accounts were published. My point simply is we, the fans need to get behind the team not call for further boycotts unlike some deluded fans with wishful dreams of owning a piece of the club or any other personal objections like foreign ownership. The point you made that was stated in the podcast about the cost of Venky's trips to Ewood may allude that we are only lining Venky's pockets by attending as smelly and his bunch of tinfoil misfits have been whining about, whereas, it should be clear to all that the team if not the club needs us more now than ever before - we are the 12th man and you and I both know the difference we can make. If our club is to implode, not attending the matches is certainly not going to save it. It may not be easy watching what is happening to the club, it at times feels like helplessly watching a loved one wasting away from a terminal illness. But just as you would never think to turn your back on them when they need you the most, how can we turn our back on what for most us has been as big a part of our lives, on the pretext that being supportive to them is too painful to watch? We say we are "Rovers Till I Die". Those are not mere words to us. I have yet to hear a coherent argument as to what can be achieved by staying away. I have stated mine many times for attending.[/p][/quote]Let's face it, we are fxxked. Maybe better a quick demise than a long spiraling decline? Roverthere
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8:02am Tue 11 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

Tatts wrote:
If the talk is true that Southampton want to buy Dann then get him shipped off asap.
I agree
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: If the talk is true that Southampton want to buy Dann then get him shipped off asap.[/p][/quote]I agree MatthewCA
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8:09am Tue 11 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

BlueSkies wrote:
JC, excellent posts today pointing out the poor financial climate facing the club ( several of us were discussing the scenario this weekend). It is indeed a recipe for disaster but we still support the club. We are not in a position to change things but ultimately change will happen and the fans will be left to pick up the pieces.

I genuinely think Venkys care nothing for BRFC and will walk away at some point in the not too distant future.

We have a massively unsustainable wage bill. The summer signings of Murphy, Gomes etc and the entire no-marks of Portuguese football are now contracted to BRFC and are unlikely to want to leave any time soon. Their signings were not sound football decisions which suggests the hands of agents still influence the running of the club as recently as this summer.

I doubt funds will be made available in January unless we can shift some of the no-marks we've just signed!!!! In fact I would say this is one of the poorest set of players in the history of the club. With the exception of Rhodes, is there another who would guarantee a start in any of the top 6 in the Championship? And as for the Prem, forget it.

Henning has mission impossible. Promotion with this current crop is not going to happen. Remember, this is Kean's squad.
All most correct, But we can improve the game with better players from this Jan transfer window.

Venky's are ready to spend, example is Rhodes.

It is just a matter of two good quality hungry Center Midfeild players and Two Center back in defence needed to boost the team. Hope Leon Best is also getting ready.
[quote][p][bold]BlueSkies[/bold] wrote: JC, excellent posts today pointing out the poor financial climate facing the club ( several of us were discussing the scenario this weekend). It is indeed a recipe for disaster but we still support the club. We are not in a position to change things but ultimately change will happen and the fans will be left to pick up the pieces. I genuinely think Venkys care nothing for BRFC and will walk away at some point in the not too distant future. We have a massively unsustainable wage bill. The summer signings of Murphy, Gomes etc and the entire no-marks of Portuguese football are now contracted to BRFC and are unlikely to want to leave any time soon. Their signings were not sound football decisions which suggests the hands of agents still influence the running of the club as recently as this summer. I doubt funds will be made available in January unless we can shift some of the no-marks we've just signed!!!! In fact I would say this is one of the poorest set of players in the history of the club. With the exception of Rhodes, is there another who would guarantee a start in any of the top 6 in the Championship? And as for the Prem, forget it. Henning has mission impossible. Promotion with this current crop is not going to happen. Remember, this is Kean's squad.[/p][/quote]All most correct, But we can improve the game with better players from this Jan transfer window. Venky's are ready to spend, example is Rhodes. It is just a matter of two good quality hungry Center Midfeild players and Two Center back in defence needed to boost the team. Hope Leon Best is also getting ready. MatthewCA
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8:13am Tue 11 Dec 12

bburnrover says...

Well according to rumours Southampton are after Robinson and Dann which may not be a bad move as long as we get Friedel and a good CB in exchange.
I do feel we urgently require two experienced CBs as Hanley was thrown in the deep end and cannot cope when someone runs at him Dann is just not a good player so much for the pundits and scouts who said Liverpool were after him just prior to his move here.
Midfield is another problem as we require a tackler to win the ball someone with a bit of pace and a fast right winger to create openings for Rhodes and Best when he returns.Iwould also attempt to sign a left back and move Olsson forward into his brother's position as he blows hot and cold.Berg should know some decent Scandanavian players whilst he was a tv pundit over there and they always fit into our teams very well without the problems we get with South Americans. .
Well according to rumours Southampton are after Robinson and Dann which may not be a bad move as long as we get Friedel and a good CB in exchange. I do feel we urgently require two experienced CBs as Hanley was thrown in the deep end and cannot cope when someone runs at him Dann is just not a good player so much for the pundits and scouts who said Liverpool were after him just prior to his move here. Midfield is another problem as we require a tackler to win the ball someone with a bit of pace and a fast right winger to create openings for Rhodes and Best when he returns.Iwould also attempt to sign a left back and move Olsson forward into his brother's position as he blows hot and cold.Berg should know some decent Scandanavian players whilst he was a tv pundit over there and they always fit into our teams very well without the problems we get with South Americans. . bburnrover
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8:46am Tue 11 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

juanbbien wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !
Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess.
If we win the league, sloved our accounts issues if it is true.

So Lets help our team to win the league.

Berg said " Don't Panic "

What about OLD LEGS in the club(Murphy,Dunn,Ped
ersen,Givit,Gomes)Al
l converted to playing/coach role and never come to first 11 player list or regain there fitness.
[quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order ![/p][/quote]Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess.[/p][/quote]If we win the league, sloved our accounts issues if it is true. So Lets help our team to win the league. Berg said " Don't Panic " What about OLD LEGS in the club(Murphy,Dunn,Ped ersen,Givit,Gomes)Al l converted to playing/coach role and never come to first 11 player list or regain there fitness. MatthewCA
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8:48am Tue 11 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

Nurseman wrote:
Do not agree with our defence being our main problem. The midfield is like a vacuum, sucking in every attack by the opposition and leading it right to our defensive line. Jones, samba and nelson would I'm sure find it very difficult to defend.
I reckon we need in ths order: a manager, and a new midfield.
It seems poor tactics and training more than anything
Suggest few players names which u think better than now for this club
[quote][p][bold]Nurseman[/bold] wrote: Do not agree with our defence being our main problem. The midfield is like a vacuum, sucking in every attack by the opposition and leading it right to our defensive line. Jones, samba and nelson would I'm sure find it very difficult to defend. I reckon we need in ths order: a manager, and a new midfield. It seems poor tactics and training more than anything[/p][/quote]Suggest few players names which u think better than now for this club MatthewCA
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10:20am Tue 11 Dec 12

Rover the Hill says...

Will P wrote:
To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2.

Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there.

If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.
Better defenders out there than Dann and Hanley. I am a better defender than Dann and I am 43. There are 8 or 9 of that team that just aren't good enough. There is no creativity in midfield, I mean, who was going to pick out the pass on Friday night? Etuhu or Lowe? Neither could pick their fcuking nose. Add no pace into the equation and a lack of width and you start to understand why we are staring at a relegation dogfight instead of a promotion push.

I have lost all interest in it to be honest, but it still hurts. What has happened to Vuckevic? He looked a decent wide player. CKR up front with Rhodes, King and Vuckevic wide at least gives you a bit of skill and pace.

Don't blame Berg, he has inherited a sh1t squad thanks to Kean and JA. I have had a few people mention we should have kept Kean. I would rather be in the conference than have that idiot still here. It may take time and a whole lot of player movement in and out, but surely Berg has enough nous to sort out the sorry mess.
[quote][p][bold]Will P[/bold] wrote: To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2. Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there. If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.[/p][/quote]Better defenders out there than Dann and Hanley. I am a better defender than Dann and I am 43. There are 8 or 9 of that team that just aren't good enough. There is no creativity in midfield, I mean, who was going to pick out the pass on Friday night? Etuhu or Lowe? Neither could pick their fcuking nose. Add no pace into the equation and a lack of width and you start to understand why we are staring at a relegation dogfight instead of a promotion push. I have lost all interest in it to be honest, but it still hurts. What has happened to Vuckevic? He looked a decent wide player. CKR up front with Rhodes, King and Vuckevic wide at least gives you a bit of skill and pace. Don't blame Berg, he has inherited a sh1t squad thanks to Kean and JA. I have had a few people mention we should have kept Kean. I would rather be in the conference than have that idiot still here. It may take time and a whole lot of player movement in and out, but surely Berg has enough nous to sort out the sorry mess. Rover the Hill
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10:38am Tue 11 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

Rover the Hill wrote:
Will P wrote:
To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2.

Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there.

If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.
Better defenders out there than Dann and Hanley. I am a better defender than Dann and I am 43. There are 8 or 9 of that team that just aren't good enough. There is no creativity in midfield, I mean, who was going to pick out the pass on Friday night? Etuhu or Lowe? Neither could pick their fcuking nose. Add no pace into the equation and a lack of width and you start to understand why we are staring at a relegation dogfight instead of a promotion push.

I have lost all interest in it to be honest, but it still hurts. What has happened to Vuckevic? He looked a decent wide player. CKR up front with Rhodes, King and Vuckevic wide at least gives you a bit of skill and pace.

Don't blame Berg, he has inherited a sh1t squad thanks to Kean and JA. I have had a few people mention we should have kept Kean. I would rather be in the conference than have that idiot still here. It may take time and a whole lot of player movement in and out, but surely Berg has enough nous to sort out the sorry mess.
Agree with your tactical suggestion, its what Ive been saying for a while which is also why I disagree in part that Berg has inherited a poor team. I actually believe he is yet to find his best 11 which is why Im baffled that Murphy/Etuhu are regulars why Vukevic who has shown both pace and attacking ability to run at players is being left out.

Either Berg knows something the rest of us dont or its a baffling question on his abilities to play the team their strengths.
[quote][p][bold]Rover the Hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Will P[/bold] wrote: To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2. Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there. If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.[/p][/quote]Better defenders out there than Dann and Hanley. I am a better defender than Dann and I am 43. There are 8 or 9 of that team that just aren't good enough. There is no creativity in midfield, I mean, who was going to pick out the pass on Friday night? Etuhu or Lowe? Neither could pick their fcuking nose. Add no pace into the equation and a lack of width and you start to understand why we are staring at a relegation dogfight instead of a promotion push. I have lost all interest in it to be honest, but it still hurts. What has happened to Vuckevic? He looked a decent wide player. CKR up front with Rhodes, King and Vuckevic wide at least gives you a bit of skill and pace. Don't blame Berg, he has inherited a sh1t squad thanks to Kean and JA. I have had a few people mention we should have kept Kean. I would rather be in the conference than have that idiot still here. It may take time and a whole lot of player movement in and out, but surely Berg has enough nous to sort out the sorry mess.[/p][/quote]Agree with your tactical suggestion, its what Ive been saying for a while which is also why I disagree in part that Berg has inherited a poor team. I actually believe he is yet to find his best 11 which is why Im baffled that Murphy/Etuhu are regulars why Vukevic who has shown both pace and attacking ability to run at players is being left out. Either Berg knows something the rest of us dont or its a baffling question on his abilities to play the team their strengths. blueblooded
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1:27pm Tue 11 Dec 12

noirbrook says...

clitheroe blue boy wrote:
'We are not a million miles away from our premier dream? Has Berg been watching a different team?

We have been very poor, 1 win in 8 tells the story.

Think he's inherited Steve Keans book of stupid quotes.

Get Mark Hughes in quick before we slide further down the table.

And while your at it, get rid of Shabby Minge and the robbing joke of a defensive coach in Colin Hendry.
You do mean the Mark Hughes who has spent 28 million without winning a game this season,and who split the dressing room by making the factions train at different times??
[quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote: 'We are not a million miles away from our premier dream? Has Berg been watching a different team? We have been very poor, 1 win in 8 tells the story. Think he's inherited Steve Keans book of stupid quotes. Get Mark Hughes in quick before we slide further down the table. And while your at it, get rid of Shabby Minge and the robbing joke of a defensive coach in Colin Hendry.[/p][/quote]You do mean the Mark Hughes who has spent 28 million without winning a game this season,and who split the dressing room by making the factions train at different times?? noirbrook
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2:14pm Tue 11 Dec 12

penrithrover says...

If we allowed Berg to spend 25 million pounds in January , how would it feel TO ALL OF US if somehow we found that type of money and Berg`s results were no better ,not only a poor team with a bad manager but now a SKINT poor team with a bad manager.
BERG got the job as manager at Rovers knowing the squad we had and his comments were at the time " I know what the owners want and I can deliver right away'' meaning Berg was stating we are going straight back up.

Now berg has decided he needs a whole new squad of players to bring us back up , NO/NO/NO/NO no more money for Berg , if we give him more of our limited funds we will never recover.

Allow Berg to carry on till the end of the season if he cannot do as he promised when he got appointed (an instant return) then we will part company ,and then hopefully we will get what we wanted in the first place, AN EXPERIENCE MANAGER IN .
If we allowed Berg to spend 25 million pounds in January , how would it feel TO ALL OF US if somehow we found that type of money and Berg`s results were no better ,not only a poor team with a bad manager but now a SKINT poor team with a bad manager. BERG got the job as manager at Rovers knowing the squad we had and his comments were at the time " I know what the owners want and I can deliver right away'' meaning Berg was stating we are going straight back up. Now berg has decided he needs a whole new squad of players to bring us back up , NO/NO/NO/NO no more money for Berg , if we give him more of our limited funds we will never recover. Allow Berg to carry on till the end of the season if he cannot do as he promised when he got appointed (an instant return) then we will part company ,and then hopefully we will get what we wanted in the first place, AN EXPERIENCE MANAGER IN . penrithrover
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2:42pm Tue 11 Dec 12

MxMave says...

On Friday, the tactics let us down more than the players. There is still no creativity going forward and no organisation at the back.
Cardiff pressed us like mad and we were found 5 yards off our man, holding the line when we defended. As much as Berg deserves a chance, I blame him almost entirely for Fridays dismal performance. The game was crying out for Rochina at 60 mins (didn't happen til 80) and Formica was our only creative influence (subbed and we did nothing attack-wise after this).
On Friday, the tactics let us down more than the players. There is still no creativity going forward and no organisation at the back. Cardiff pressed us like mad and we were found 5 yards off our man, holding the line when we defended. As much as Berg deserves a chance, I blame him almost entirely for Fridays dismal performance. The game was crying out for Rochina at 60 mins (didn't happen til 80) and Formica was our only creative influence (subbed and we did nothing attack-wise after this). MxMave
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5:34pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Harwoodstblue says...

Rover the Hill wrote:
Will P wrote:
To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2.

Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there.

If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.
Better defenders out there than Dann and Hanley. I am a better defender than Dann and I am 43. There are 8 or 9 of that team that just aren't good enough. There is no creativity in midfield, I mean, who was going to pick out the pass on Friday night? Etuhu or Lowe? Neither could pick their fcuking nose. Add no pace into the equation and a lack of width and you start to understand why we are staring at a relegation dogfight instead of a promotion push.

I have lost all interest in it to be honest, but it still hurts. What has happened to Vuckevic? He looked a decent wide player. CKR up front with Rhodes, King and Vuckevic wide at least gives you a bit of skill and pace.

Don't blame Berg, he has inherited a sh1t squad thanks to Kean and JA. I have had a few people mention we should have kept Kean. I would rather be in the conference than have that idiot still here. It may take time and a whole lot of player movement in and out, but surely Berg has enough nous to sort out the sorry mess.
In my opinion Berg has no say. It's Singh making the decisions hence the strange team selections...No Givet, no Vukevic......IMO
[quote][p][bold]Rover the Hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Will P[/bold] wrote: To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2. Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there. If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.[/p][/quote]Better defenders out there than Dann and Hanley. I am a better defender than Dann and I am 43. There are 8 or 9 of that team that just aren't good enough. There is no creativity in midfield, I mean, who was going to pick out the pass on Friday night? Etuhu or Lowe? Neither could pick their fcuking nose. Add no pace into the equation and a lack of width and you start to understand why we are staring at a relegation dogfight instead of a promotion push. I have lost all interest in it to be honest, but it still hurts. What has happened to Vuckevic? He looked a decent wide player. CKR up front with Rhodes, King and Vuckevic wide at least gives you a bit of skill and pace. Don't blame Berg, he has inherited a sh1t squad thanks to Kean and JA. I have had a few people mention we should have kept Kean. I would rather be in the conference than have that idiot still here. It may take time and a whole lot of player movement in and out, but surely Berg has enough nous to sort out the sorry mess.[/p][/quote]In my opinion Berg has no say. It's Singh making the decisions hence the strange team selections...No Givet, no Vukevic......IMO Harwoodstblue
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6:15pm Tue 11 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
Rover the Hill wrote:
Will P wrote: To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2. Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there. If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.
Better defenders out there than Dann and Hanley. I am a better defender than Dann and I am 43. There are 8 or 9 of that team that just aren't good enough. There is no creativity in midfield, I mean, who was going to pick out the pass on Friday night? Etuhu or Lowe? Neither could pick their fcuking nose. Add no pace into the equation and a lack of width and you start to understand why we are staring at a relegation dogfight instead of a promotion push. I have lost all interest in it to be honest, but it still hurts. What has happened to Vuckevic? He looked a decent wide player. CKR up front with Rhodes, King and Vuckevic wide at least gives you a bit of skill and pace. Don't blame Berg, he has inherited a sh1t squad thanks to Kean and JA. I have had a few people mention we should have kept Kean. I would rather be in the conference than have that idiot still here. It may take time and a whole lot of player movement in and out, but surely Berg has enough nous to sort out the sorry mess.
In my opinion Berg has no say. It's Singh making the decisions hence the strange team selections...No Givet, no Vukevic......IMO
Don't overwrite the issues,Berg is doing his best with players, but look at the senior team members - Murphy,Dunn,Pedersen
,Givit

Non of them FIT play, but they are FIT to sit in bench..........How?

Is it Shabby's problem........commo
n.
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rover the Hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Will P[/bold] wrote: To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2. Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there. If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.[/p][/quote]Better defenders out there than Dann and Hanley. I am a better defender than Dann and I am 43. There are 8 or 9 of that team that just aren't good enough. There is no creativity in midfield, I mean, who was going to pick out the pass on Friday night? Etuhu or Lowe? Neither could pick their fcuking nose. Add no pace into the equation and a lack of width and you start to understand why we are staring at a relegation dogfight instead of a promotion push. I have lost all interest in it to be honest, but it still hurts. What has happened to Vuckevic? He looked a decent wide player. CKR up front with Rhodes, King and Vuckevic wide at least gives you a bit of skill and pace. Don't blame Berg, he has inherited a sh1t squad thanks to Kean and JA. I have had a few people mention we should have kept Kean. I would rather be in the conference than have that idiot still here. It may take time and a whole lot of player movement in and out, but surely Berg has enough nous to sort out the sorry mess.[/p][/quote]In my opinion Berg has no say. It's Singh making the decisions hence the strange team selections...No Givet, no Vukevic......IMO[/p][/quote]Don't overwrite the issues,Berg is doing his best with players, but look at the senior team members - Murphy,Dunn,Pedersen ,Givit Non of them FIT play, but they are FIT to sit in bench..........How? Is it Shabby's problem........commo n. MatthewCA
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7:08pm Tue 11 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

George White Bread wrote:
MatthewCA wrote: Kazim and King are the only hungry players in the team - Both are in loan. Blackburn Players are taken easy and sleepy in Blackburn. Owners also feed with new HENs. Confused Club.
BOTH ARE IN LOAN ? Proud Rovers Lad what the F are you going on about ??? Have you had or are you having a stroke ?
IF they play like last game, STROKE will happen.
[quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: Kazim and King are the only hungry players in the team - Both are in loan. Blackburn Players are taken easy and sleepy in Blackburn. Owners also feed with new HENs. Confused Club.[/p][/quote]BOTH ARE IN LOAN ? Proud Rovers Lad what the F are you going on about ??? Have you had or are you having a stroke ?[/p][/quote]IF they play like last game, STROKE will happen. MatthewCA
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7:40pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Bazzer says...

MatthewCA wrote:
George White Bread wrote:
MatthewCA wrote: Kazim and King are the only hungry players in the team - Both are in loan. Blackburn Players are taken easy and sleepy in Blackburn. Owners also feed with new HENs. Confused Club.
BOTH ARE IN LOAN ? Proud Rovers Lad what the F are you going on about ??? Have you had or are you having a stroke ?
IF they play like last game, STROKE will happen.
Come in, Makaveli.
[quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: Kazim and King are the only hungry players in the team - Both are in loan. Blackburn Players are taken easy and sleepy in Blackburn. Owners also feed with new HENs. Confused Club.[/p][/quote]BOTH ARE IN LOAN ? Proud Rovers Lad what the F are you going on about ??? Have you had or are you having a stroke ?[/p][/quote]IF they play like last game, STROKE will happen.[/p][/quote]Come in, Makaveli. Bazzer
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