Orr moves to Ipswich

BLACKBURN Rovers defender Bradley Orr has completed a loan move to Championship rivals Ipswich Town.

The full-back moves to Portman Road initially until January 26.

 

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10:24am Wed 14 Nov 12

Robbie says...

what a lose!!!

NOT!
what a lose!!! NOT! Robbie

10:24am Wed 14 Nov 12

RoversSwiss says...

Another intelligent move from Berg. So far , so good, just needs a win or the pressure will build again.
Another intelligent move from Berg. So far , so good, just needs a win or the pressure will build again. RoversSwiss

10:24am Wed 14 Nov 12

Robbie says...

Robbie wrote:
what a lose!!! NOT!
yes i meant loss....
[quote][p][bold]Robbie[/bold] wrote: what a lose!!! NOT![/p][/quote]yes i meant loss.... Robbie

10:28am Wed 14 Nov 12

Lancs - pensioner says...

The clear out begins, hopefully Hendry will be next, lets clear our club of anything Kean related, Orr and Hendry will be a good start!
The clear out begins, hopefully Hendry will be next, lets clear our club of anything Kean related, Orr and Hendry will be a good start! Lancs - pensioner

10:29am Wed 14 Nov 12

greenscreener says...

Henley has looked very good at RB, with Lowe also capable of filling in that looks like a sensible move by Berg.
Henley has looked very good at RB, with Lowe also capable of filling in that looks like a sensible move by Berg. greenscreener

10:30am Wed 14 Nov 12

Only1Garner says...

We a short on defenders and we move this clown out, just shows how good he is, perhaps he is the next Myles Anderson!
We a short on defenders and we move this clown out, just shows how good he is, perhaps he is the next Myles Anderson! Only1Garner

10:32am Wed 14 Nov 12

greenscreener says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
The clear out begins, hopefully Hendry will be next, lets clear our club of anything Kean related, Orr and Hendry will be a good start!
Whats he portuguese for "Get your coat" ?
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: The clear out begins, hopefully Hendry will be next, lets clear our club of anything Kean related, Orr and Hendry will be a good start![/p][/quote]Whats he portuguese for "Get your coat" ? greenscreener

10:34am Wed 14 Nov 12

parkinsonc says...

Great news - Berg not hanging about clearing out dead wood. Plus Orr was a Kean arse kisser of the highest order at the end of last season, so it seems you reap what you sow.
Great news - Berg not hanging about clearing out dead wood. Plus Orr was a Kean arse kisser of the highest order at the end of last season, so it seems you reap what you sow. parkinsonc

10:41am Wed 14 Nov 12

AndyW says...

parkinsonc wrote:
Great news - Berg not hanging about clearing out dead wood. Plus Orr was a Kean arse kisser of the highest order at the end of last season, so it seems you reap what you sow.
Well said and completely agree.

Orr clearly indicted where his personal loyalties lay, in the mistaken belief that Kean was untouchable and going nowhere.

Great to see him shipped out and replaced with a talented young man who wants to play for Rovers.

Hendry, Dunn and Agnew watch your backs.
Reap what you sow indeed...
[quote][p][bold]parkinsonc[/bold] wrote: Great news - Berg not hanging about clearing out dead wood. Plus Orr was a Kean arse kisser of the highest order at the end of last season, so it seems you reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]Well said and completely agree. Orr clearly indicted where his personal loyalties lay, in the mistaken belief that Kean was untouchable and going nowhere. Great to see him shipped out and replaced with a talented young man who wants to play for Rovers. Hendry, Dunn and Agnew watch your backs. Reap what you sow indeed... AndyW

10:43am Wed 14 Nov 12

vicn1956 says...

Ineresting end to the story-Caldwell praising Rhodes adds also got miller/fletcher/ mackie and naismith- no mention of goodwillie- the scottish rooney in keans words. Kean the briliant manager-who is so good and so maligned hes walked into another job- gone but not forgiven!
Ineresting end to the story-Caldwell praising Rhodes adds also got miller/fletcher/ mackie and naismith- no mention of goodwillie- the scottish rooney in keans words. Kean the briliant manager-who is so good and so maligned hes walked into another job- gone but not forgiven! vicn1956

10:47am Wed 14 Nov 12

brown cow warrior says...

But when are we going to start winning?? That's the real test.
But when are we going to start winning?? That's the real test. brown cow warrior

10:59am Wed 14 Nov 12

juanbbien says...

Another good bit of news.
Another good bit of news. juanbbien

11:00am Wed 14 Nov 12

A Darener says...

brown cow warrior wrote:
But when are we going to start winning?? That's the real test.
Let's hope on Saturday!

Henning Berg's blue and white army!

Get into 'em!!
[quote][p][bold]brown cow warrior[/bold] wrote: But when are we going to start winning?? That's the real test.[/p][/quote]Let's hope on Saturday! Henning Berg's blue and white army! Get into 'em!! A Darener

11:02am Wed 14 Nov 12

blueblooded says...

Orr revealed the way Kean has handled himself calls for a great deal of respect.

"The gaffer stood out there tonight and took a lot of stick, I've got nothing but admiration and respect for him," Orr said.

"He's done everything he could to push us in the right direction and motivate us.

"The tactics, training, everything - one man who can look in the mirror and say he's given everything is the manager.

"I'll speak for the dressing room and thank him for what he's done, he's taken things on the chin that he shouldn't have had to.

"The supporters voice their opinions in whatever way they want towards the owners, the players and the manager. Sometimes a line can be crossed and the way the gaffer's handled things is exemplary.

"He's certainly the best I've worked with as far as managers go.

"It's easy for people to pass the buck but the reality is the group of players fell short, it's us that need to take responsibility.

"We've let the gaffer down because everything he's done has been geared to pushing us forward and we haven't done that."

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Those were Orr's words after relegation. I sometimes struggle with attitudes on this matter, i doubt he would have spoken for the dressing room if the rest of the team weren't with him. Certainly bar, a few players who were benched for openly being critical about Kean's tactics, there wasnt a lot of noise from the other players in protest. Yak even went and celebrated with Kean after scoring (and was boo-ed in the process).

My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground. How he was personally to people around him, only those who were there would know, and if Orr felt the manager gave it his all and was getting a harder time than he should, surely that was his opinion? Kean himself stated that Venkys had tied his hands and were not allowing him free reign to run his team, if it hadnt been for the fact that he fell foul of the fans over his drink spiking comments and later the Big Sam snafu, surely fans might have felt differently about him too? maybe even have been a little sympathetic to a manager who was clearly being impeded by clueless owners to doing what he was employed to do?

Anyway. Good luck to Orr, personally I hold no ill-feelings towards you and wish you all the best if you do decide to make the move permenant.
Orr revealed the way Kean has handled himself calls for a great deal of respect. "The gaffer stood out there tonight and took a lot of stick, I've got nothing but admiration and respect for him," Orr said. "He's done everything he could to push us in the right direction and motivate us. "The tactics, training, everything - one man who can look in the mirror and say he's given everything is the manager. "I'll speak for the dressing room and thank him for what he's done, he's taken things on the chin that he shouldn't have had to. "The supporters voice their opinions in whatever way they want towards the owners, the players and the manager. Sometimes a line can be crossed and the way the gaffer's handled things is exemplary. "He's certainly the best I've worked with as far as managers go. "It's easy for people to pass the buck but the reality is the group of players fell short, it's us that need to take responsibility. "We've let the gaffer down because everything he's done has been geared to pushing us forward and we haven't done that." -------------- Those were Orr's words after relegation. I sometimes struggle with attitudes on this matter, i doubt he would have spoken for the dressing room if the rest of the team weren't with him. Certainly bar, a few players who were benched for openly being critical about Kean's tactics, there wasnt a lot of noise from the other players in protest. Yak even went and celebrated with Kean after scoring (and was boo-ed in the process). My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground. How he was personally to people around him, only those who were there would know, and if Orr felt the manager gave it his all and was getting a harder time than he should, surely that was his opinion? Kean himself stated that Venkys had tied his hands and were not allowing him free reign to run his team, if it hadnt been for the fact that he fell foul of the fans over his drink spiking comments and later the Big Sam snafu, surely fans might have felt differently about him too? maybe even have been a little sympathetic to a manager who was clearly being impeded by clueless owners to doing what he was employed to do? Anyway. Good luck to Orr, personally I hold no ill-feelings towards you and wish you all the best if you do decide to make the move permenant. blueblooded

11:05am Wed 14 Nov 12

Road Runner Road Runner says...

Let the purge begin, and after this characters obvious stance good riddance along with hoping that this transfer becomes a permanent one.

Nice thinking here Mr Berg.

As you quite rightly stated in your photo shoot turning the B&W shirt around : It isn't the name that is important on the shirt, but the badge that adorns it.

Berg will have one and all playing for that little honor.

Arte et labore
Let the purge begin, and after this characters obvious stance good riddance along with hoping that this transfer becomes a permanent one. Nice thinking here Mr Berg. As you quite rightly stated in your photo shoot turning the B&W shirt around : It isn't the name that is important on the shirt, but the badge that adorns it. Berg will have one and all playing for that little honor. Arte et labore Road Runner Road Runner

11:11am Wed 14 Nov 12

unclejacklegend says...

26th January. Keep him. Kean's friends out. Keep up the good work Henning, Rovers legend!
26th January. Keep him. Kean's friends out. Keep up the good work Henning, Rovers legend! unclejacklegend

11:15am Wed 14 Nov 12

Road Runner Road Runner says...

blueblooded wrote:
Orr revealed the way Kean has handled himself calls for a great deal of respect.

"The gaffer stood out there tonight and took a lot of stick, I've got nothing but admiration and respect for him," Orr said.

"He's done everything he could to push us in the right direction and motivate us.

"The tactics, training, everything - one man who can look in the mirror and say he's given everything is the manager.

"I'll speak for the dressing room and thank him for what he's done, he's taken things on the chin that he shouldn't have had to.

"The supporters voice their opinions in whatever way they want towards the owners, the players and the manager. Sometimes a line can be crossed and the way the gaffer's handled things is exemplary.

"He's certainly the best I've worked with as far as managers go.

"It's easy for people to pass the buck but the reality is the group of players fell short, it's us that need to take responsibility.

"We've let the gaffer down because everything he's done has been geared to pushing us forward and we haven't done that."

--------------

Those were Orr's words after relegation. I sometimes struggle with attitudes on this matter, i doubt he would have spoken for the dressing room if the rest of the team weren't with him. Certainly bar, a few players who were benched for openly being critical about Kean's tactics, there wasnt a lot of noise from the other players in protest. Yak even went and celebrated with Kean after scoring (and was boo-ed in the process).

My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground. How he was personally to people around him, only those who were there would know, and if Orr felt the manager gave it his all and was getting a harder time than he should, surely that was his opinion? Kean himself stated that Venkys had tied his hands and were not allowing him free reign to run his team, if it hadnt been for the fact that he fell foul of the fans over his drink spiking comments and later the Big Sam snafu, surely fans might have felt differently about him too? maybe even have been a little sympathetic to a manager who was clearly being impeded by clueless owners to doing what he was employed to do?

Anyway. Good luck to Orr, personally I hold no ill-feelings towards you and wish you all the best if you do decide to make the move permenant.
Sorry Blueblooded, but this character was synonymous with all that was rotten down at BRFC.

This character was an ex dingle, and in my long association with BRFC his words just didn't add up considering he had just walked through the door ?

The disdain shown towards us the supporter by this character resulted in him calling the fans 'scum' !

Was he up for the right fight ? In my estimation - no.

Regards.

Arte et labore
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: Orr revealed the way Kean has handled himself calls for a great deal of respect. "The gaffer stood out there tonight and took a lot of stick, I've got nothing but admiration and respect for him," Orr said. "He's done everything he could to push us in the right direction and motivate us. "The tactics, training, everything - one man who can look in the mirror and say he's given everything is the manager. "I'll speak for the dressing room and thank him for what he's done, he's taken things on the chin that he shouldn't have had to. "The supporters voice their opinions in whatever way they want towards the owners, the players and the manager. Sometimes a line can be crossed and the way the gaffer's handled things is exemplary. "He's certainly the best I've worked with as far as managers go. "It's easy for people to pass the buck but the reality is the group of players fell short, it's us that need to take responsibility. "We've let the gaffer down because everything he's done has been geared to pushing us forward and we haven't done that." -------------- Those were Orr's words after relegation. I sometimes struggle with attitudes on this matter, i doubt he would have spoken for the dressing room if the rest of the team weren't with him. Certainly bar, a few players who were benched for openly being critical about Kean's tactics, there wasnt a lot of noise from the other players in protest. Yak even went and celebrated with Kean after scoring (and was boo-ed in the process). My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground. How he was personally to people around him, only those who were there would know, and if Orr felt the manager gave it his all and was getting a harder time than he should, surely that was his opinion? Kean himself stated that Venkys had tied his hands and were not allowing him free reign to run his team, if it hadnt been for the fact that he fell foul of the fans over his drink spiking comments and later the Big Sam snafu, surely fans might have felt differently about him too? maybe even have been a little sympathetic to a manager who was clearly being impeded by clueless owners to doing what he was employed to do? Anyway. Good luck to Orr, personally I hold no ill-feelings towards you and wish you all the best if you do decide to make the move permenant.[/p][/quote]Sorry Blueblooded, but this character was synonymous with all that was rotten down at BRFC. This character was an ex dingle, and in my long association with BRFC his words just didn't add up considering he had just walked through the door ? The disdain shown towards us the supporter by this character resulted in him calling the fans 'scum' ! Was he up for the right fight ? In my estimation - no. Regards. Arte et labore Road Runner Road Runner

11:16am Wed 14 Nov 12

andymcbrfc says...

Although I didn't like Orr 4 his support of Kean, I mostly didn't like him because he was SH1TE!! #inhenningwetrust
Although I didn't like Orr 4 his support of Kean, I mostly didn't like him because he was SH1TE!! #inhenningwetrust andymcbrfc

11:20am Wed 14 Nov 12

inflightmagazine says...

it was obvious from his first team selections Henning did not see Orr as a player he liked, so a good move for both parties really, Bradley gets to play football and Henning makes a clear statement about the shape and plans for his team. A good leadeship move.

Peterborough on saturday and we have to go for it in my opinion, the tide of public opinion is on the turn and the desire to back Henning from the fans is clear a few good results and this season could be really interesting.
it was obvious from his first team selections Henning did not see Orr as a player he liked, so a good move for both parties really, Bradley gets to play football and Henning makes a clear statement about the shape and plans for his team. A good leadeship move. Peterborough on saturday and we have to go for it in my opinion, the tide of public opinion is on the turn and the desire to back Henning from the fans is clear a few good results and this season could be really interesting. inflightmagazine

11:21am Wed 14 Nov 12

greenscreener says...

Blueblooded, When Berg was appointed I suggested that he should teach Orr how to play at Right Back, I think Henning took a look and realised that he only has a 3 year contract !
Blueblooded, When Berg was appointed I suggested that he should teach Orr how to play at Right Back, I think Henning took a look and realised that he only has a 3 year contract ! greenscreener

11:27am Wed 14 Nov 12

greenscreener says...

inflightmagazine wrote:
it was obvious from his first team selections Henning did not see Orr as a player he liked, so a good move for both parties really, Bradley gets to play football and Henning makes a clear statement about the shape and plans for his team. A good leadeship move.

Peterborough on saturday and we have to go for it in my opinion, the tide of public opinion is on the turn and the desire to back Henning from the fans is clear a few good results and this season could be really interesting.
"Bradley gets to play football" is a bit of an assumption, didn't Goodwillie go to Palace also thinking he would play football.
[quote][p][bold]inflightmagazine[/bold] wrote: it was obvious from his first team selections Henning did not see Orr as a player he liked, so a good move for both parties really, Bradley gets to play football and Henning makes a clear statement about the shape and plans for his team. A good leadeship move. Peterborough on saturday and we have to go for it in my opinion, the tide of public opinion is on the turn and the desire to back Henning from the fans is clear a few good results and this season could be really interesting.[/p][/quote]"Bradley gets to play football" is a bit of an assumption, didn't Goodwillie go to Palace also thinking he would play football. greenscreener

11:29am Wed 14 Nov 12

realisticrovers says...

Do one Orr u waste man!!!!!!! And it begins......... not even 2 weeks into a job and already offloading ****
Do one Orr u waste man!!!!!!! And it begins......... not even 2 weeks into a job and already offloading **** realisticrovers

11:30am Wed 14 Nov 12

inflightmagazine says...

greenscreener wrote:
inflightmagazine wrote: it was obvious from his first team selections Henning did not see Orr as a player he liked, so a good move for both parties really, Bradley gets to play football and Henning makes a clear statement about the shape and plans for his team. A good leadeship move. Peterborough on saturday and we have to go for it in my opinion, the tide of public opinion is on the turn and the desire to back Henning from the fans is clear a few good results and this season could be really interesting.
"Bradley gets to play football" is a bit of an assumption, didn't Goodwillie go to Palace also thinking he would play football.
have you seen that ipswich side my 12 year old would get a run out for them, which makes are 1-1 even more disappointing.

i am impressed how they have shipped him out with the minimum of fuss though, get the feeling Berg is sorting out the morale as well as the football
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inflightmagazine[/bold] wrote: it was obvious from his first team selections Henning did not see Orr as a player he liked, so a good move for both parties really, Bradley gets to play football and Henning makes a clear statement about the shape and plans for his team. A good leadeship move. Peterborough on saturday and we have to go for it in my opinion, the tide of public opinion is on the turn and the desire to back Henning from the fans is clear a few good results and this season could be really interesting.[/p][/quote]"Bradley gets to play football" is a bit of an assumption, didn't Goodwillie go to Palace also thinking he would play football.[/p][/quote]have you seen that ipswich side my 12 year old would get a run out for them, which makes are 1-1 even more disappointing. i am impressed how they have shipped him out with the minimum of fuss though, get the feeling Berg is sorting out the morale as well as the football inflightmagazine

11:45am Wed 14 Nov 12

blueblooded says...

greenscreener wrote:
Blueblooded, When Berg was appointed I suggested that he should teach Orr how to play at Right Back, I think Henning took a look and realised that he only has a 3 year contract !
(To RR's comment too).

I didnt rate Orr as a player either (apart from Kean I dont know who did tbh!), my point was his comments made him a pariah with the fans, but surely others would have fetl the same way whether they voiced it or not?

i didnt see the likes of Robbo, Dann etc make any bones about how Kean was managing, I can respect everyones opinion but I cant subscribe to the "the friend of my enemy is also my enemy" thing.

And he was on loan to the dingles.. doesnt really make him an EX-Dingle.. thats really harsh lol!
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: Blueblooded, When Berg was appointed I suggested that he should teach Orr how to play at Right Back, I think Henning took a look and realised that he only has a 3 year contract ![/p][/quote](To RR's comment too). I didnt rate Orr as a player either (apart from Kean I dont know who did tbh!), my point was his comments made him a pariah with the fans, but surely others would have fetl the same way whether they voiced it or not? i didnt see the likes of Robbo, Dann etc make any bones about how Kean was managing, I can respect everyones opinion but I cant subscribe to the "the friend of my enemy is also my enemy" thing. And he was on loan to the dingles.. doesnt really make him an EX-Dingle.. thats really harsh lol! blueblooded

12:03pm Wed 14 Nov 12

wampam says...

A poor player with a bit of an attitude problem. Good riddance to bad rubbish
A poor player with a bit of an attitude problem. Good riddance to bad rubbish wampam

12:08pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Dukes says...

he never saw eye to eye with shebby.

Has never done anything special time for him to leave on free to save wages.
he never saw eye to eye with shebby. Has never done anything special time for him to leave on free to save wages. Dukes

12:08pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Keen O to Get Kean Out says...

wampam wrote:
A poor player with a bit of an attitude problem. Good riddance to bad rubbish
ye another of Venkys cheap championship product, when we goina pay for premiership players again, i thought 'we have to get back in the premiership' cheap staff and players wont work Shebby Sing
[quote][p][bold]wampam[/bold] wrote: A poor player with a bit of an attitude problem. Good riddance to bad rubbish[/p][/quote]ye another of Venkys cheap championship product, when we goina pay for premiership players again, i thought 'we have to get back in the premiership' cheap staff and players wont work Shebby Sing Keen O to Get Kean Out

12:09pm Wed 14 Nov 12

MatthewCA says...

One Fashion boy is OUT. Good Luck

the change begins !!!

This is called improvement - Berg fans
One Fashion boy is OUT. Good Luck the change begins !!! This is called improvement - Berg fans MatthewCA

12:13pm Wed 14 Nov 12

bwfcyeah says...

hi all
Bolton fan in peace. I have been keeping tabs on you guys recently, i am impressed with the football and organisation Berg seems to be implementing. I think its only a matter of time before you finish off teams. I can see a good fun coming and you champions by about 8 points.
I am attending Ewood for the lancashire derby on 28 November which will be a great contest, i think you will sneak it. We seem to be playing well now but need to take chances and close out games. 3 points for us both this weekend and Blackburn Bolton 1 & 2 in the league for the automatic promotion spots. Its all about after the christmas period who dares wins! plenty of games to look forward to. Good luck for the season and look forward to an atmospheric packed Ewood for the derby!
hi all Bolton fan in peace. I have been keeping tabs on you guys recently, i am impressed with the football and organisation Berg seems to be implementing. I think its only a matter of time before you finish off teams. I can see a good fun coming and you champions by about 8 points. I am attending Ewood for the lancashire derby on 28 November which will be a great contest, i think you will sneak it. We seem to be playing well now but need to take chances and close out games. 3 points for us both this weekend and Blackburn Bolton 1 & 2 in the league for the automatic promotion spots. Its all about after the christmas period who dares wins! plenty of games to look forward to. Good luck for the season and look forward to an atmospheric packed Ewood for the derby! bwfcyeah

12:21pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Captain Dreckley says...

I don't think there will be many Rovers fans shocked and upset by this move. Orr is not the calibre of full back you would find in a championship team chasing promotion and time will tell if he is at the right level for a championship team fighting relegation. Yet Kean and Hendry saw him as a premier league full back, then you wonder why we were relegated. I hope Orr will be the first of quite a few on their way out as Berg works his way tjrough the deadwood and hangers on in the squad. Just what is needed.
I don't think there will be many Rovers fans shocked and upset by this move. Orr is not the calibre of full back you would find in a championship team chasing promotion and time will tell if he is at the right level for a championship team fighting relegation. Yet Kean and Hendry saw him as a premier league full back, then you wonder why we were relegated. I hope Orr will be the first of quite a few on their way out as Berg works his way tjrough the deadwood and hangers on in the squad. Just what is needed. Captain Dreckley

12:22pm Wed 14 Nov 12

eddie the eagle says...

Are we bovered I don't think so,he was very slow and certainly indecline,a bad signing we are lucky to of off load,some others might not be as easy.
Are we bovered I don't think so,he was very slow and certainly indecline,a bad signing we are lucky to of off load,some others might not be as easy. eddie the eagle

12:23pm Wed 14 Nov 12

blueblooded says...

bwfcyeah wrote:
hi all Bolton fan in peace. I have been keeping tabs on you guys recently, i am impressed with the football and organisation Berg seems to be implementing. I think its only a matter of time before you finish off teams. I can see a good fun coming and you champions by about 8 points. I am attending Ewood for the lancashire derby on 28 November which will be a great contest, i think you will sneak it. We seem to be playing well now but need to take chances and close out games. 3 points for us both this weekend and Blackburn Bolton 1 & 2 in the league for the automatic promotion spots. Its all about after the christmas period who dares wins! plenty of games to look forward to. Good luck for the season and look forward to an atmospheric packed Ewood for the derby!
Thanks mate. I always look forward to our derbies too. At least there's a real challenge and the results less predictable compares to some of our lesser neighbours.
[quote][p][bold]bwfcyeah[/bold] wrote: hi all Bolton fan in peace. I have been keeping tabs on you guys recently, i am impressed with the football and organisation Berg seems to be implementing. I think its only a matter of time before you finish off teams. I can see a good fun coming and you champions by about 8 points. I am attending Ewood for the lancashire derby on 28 November which will be a great contest, i think you will sneak it. We seem to be playing well now but need to take chances and close out games. 3 points for us both this weekend and Blackburn Bolton 1 & 2 in the league for the automatic promotion spots. Its all about after the christmas period who dares wins! plenty of games to look forward to. Good luck for the season and look forward to an atmospheric packed Ewood for the derby![/p][/quote]Thanks mate. I always look forward to our derbies too. At least there's a real challenge and the results less predictable compares to some of our lesser neighbours. blueblooded

12:24pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Road Runner Road Runner says...

blueblooded wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
Blueblooded, When Berg was appointed I suggested that he should teach Orr how to play at Right Back, I think Henning took a look and realised that he only has a 3 year contract !
(To RR's comment too).

I didnt rate Orr as a player either (apart from Kean I dont know who did tbh!), my point was his comments made him a pariah with the fans, but surely others would have fetl the same way whether they voiced it or not?

i didnt see the likes of Robbo, Dann etc make any bones about how Kean was managing, I can respect everyones opinion but I cant subscribe to the "the friend of my enemy is also my enemy" thing.

And he was on loan to the dingles.. doesnt really make him an EX-Dingle.. thats really harsh lol!
I understand your comments regards Orr and these are to be commended, but his loyalty flew in the face of the real issues occurring down at Ewood. He came in long after the rot had set in and then made it his opinion known to the detriment.

I have no issue with any person standing by that which they believe, but his stance was a two fingered salute to the vast majority of long suffering supporters and the derision he received thereon was totally justified. His heart was never ever in it for the greater good of the club, in my opinion ?

I may not agree with what he said but I will defend his right to say it, but then comes the rebuff to his patently obvious loyalty.

Our club became rudderless under the odious one(Venky are culpable too) and his type of comments said it all really.

Exactly, you didn't see Robbo etc making bones over the odious one's tenure seeing as they may have a tad more respect for the supporters, and allowed us to make the decision ?

Silence is golden !

Orr was there to give his best for BRFC not become embroiled with the supporters, and Berg will not stand for this kind of behavior when the club is sinking.

Just for the record I was ashamed at the level that was reached in regards the Odious One, but that could have been nipped in the bud.

The club is bigger than anyone - Orr and Kean finally realized that.

Ha Ha to him only being on loan :)

Arte et labore
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: Blueblooded, When Berg was appointed I suggested that he should teach Orr how to play at Right Back, I think Henning took a look and realised that he only has a 3 year contract ![/p][/quote](To RR's comment too). I didnt rate Orr as a player either (apart from Kean I dont know who did tbh!), my point was his comments made him a pariah with the fans, but surely others would have fetl the same way whether they voiced it or not? i didnt see the likes of Robbo, Dann etc make any bones about how Kean was managing, I can respect everyones opinion but I cant subscribe to the "the friend of my enemy is also my enemy" thing. And he was on loan to the dingles.. doesnt really make him an EX-Dingle.. thats really harsh lol![/p][/quote]I understand your comments regards Orr and these are to be commended, but his loyalty flew in the face of the real issues occurring down at Ewood. He came in long after the rot had set in and then made it his opinion known to the detriment. I have no issue with any person standing by that which they believe, but his stance was a two fingered salute to the vast majority of long suffering supporters and the derision he received thereon was totally justified. His heart was never ever in it for the greater good of the club, in my opinion ? I may not agree with what he said but I will defend his right to say it, but then comes the rebuff to his patently obvious loyalty. Our club became rudderless under the odious one(Venky are culpable too) and his type of comments said it all really. Exactly, you didn't see Robbo etc making bones over the odious one's tenure seeing as they may have a tad more respect for the supporters, and allowed us to make the decision ? Silence is golden ! Orr was there to give his best for BRFC not become embroiled with the supporters, and Berg will not stand for this kind of behavior when the club is sinking. Just for the record I was ashamed at the level that was reached in regards the Odious One, but that could have been nipped in the bud. The club is bigger than anyone - Orr and Kean finally realized that. Ha Ha to him only being on loan :) Arte et labore Road Runner Road Runner

12:39pm Wed 14 Nov 12

bornindarwenliveinnottm says...

My team for Saturday.........4-4
-2

GK - Robbo

RB - Henley
CB - Dann
CB - Hanley
LB - Martin Olson

CM - Murphy
CM - Etuhu

RW - Vuckevic
CF - Rhodes
CF - Nuno Gomez / Rochina
LW - Fabio Nunez

Defo need to play with 2 quick attacking wingers and 2 centre forwards working together.

Defo need an experienced holding midfielder in January. For me, that's the most important as I think for this league our defenders are good enough, they just need someone sitting infront, breaking down play and then starting the attack off again.

Attack attak attack - get the ball out wide to Nunez and Vuckevic and let them terrorise defenders, whip the ball in to 2 strikers and away we go!
My team for Saturday.........4-4 -2 GK - Robbo RB - Henley CB - Dann CB - Hanley LB - Martin Olson CM - Murphy CM - Etuhu RW - Vuckevic CF - Rhodes CF - Nuno Gomez / Rochina LW - Fabio Nunez Defo need to play with 2 quick attacking wingers and 2 centre forwards working together. Defo need an experienced holding midfielder in January. For me, that's the most important as I think for this league our defenders are good enough, they just need someone sitting infront, breaking down play and then starting the attack off again. Attack attak attack - get the ball out wide to Nunez and Vuckevic and let them terrorise defenders, whip the ball in to 2 strikers and away we go! bornindarwenliveinnottm

12:41pm Wed 14 Nov 12

1952 rover says...

Hendry next i hope.
Hendry next i hope. 1952 rover

12:59pm Wed 14 Nov 12

greenscreener says...

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
blueblooded wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
Blueblooded, When Berg was appointed I suggested that he should teach Orr how to play at Right Back, I think Henning took a look and realised that he only has a 3 year contract !
(To RR's comment too).

I didnt rate Orr as a player either (apart from Kean I dont know who did tbh!), my point was his comments made him a pariah with the fans, but surely others would have fetl the same way whether they voiced it or not?

i didnt see the likes of Robbo, Dann etc make any bones about how Kean was managing, I can respect everyones opinion but I cant subscribe to the "the friend of my enemy is also my enemy" thing.

And he was on loan to the dingles.. doesnt really make him an EX-Dingle.. thats really harsh lol!
I understand your comments regards Orr and these are to be commended, but his loyalty flew in the face of the real issues occurring down at Ewood. He came in long after the rot had set in and then made it his opinion known to the detriment.

I have no issue with any person standing by that which they believe, but his stance was a two fingered salute to the vast majority of long suffering supporters and the derision he received thereon was totally justified. His heart was never ever in it for the greater good of the club, in my opinion ?

I may not agree with what he said but I will defend his right to say it, but then comes the rebuff to his patently obvious loyalty.

Our club became rudderless under the odious one(Venky are culpable too) and his type of comments said it all really.

Exactly, you didn't see Robbo etc making bones over the odious one's tenure seeing as they may have a tad more respect for the supporters, and allowed us to make the decision ?

Silence is golden !

Orr was there to give his best for BRFC not become embroiled with the supporters, and Berg will not stand for this kind of behavior when the club is sinking.

Just for the record I was ashamed at the level that was reached in regards the Odious One, but that could have been nipped in the bud.

The club is bigger than anyone - Orr and Kean finally realized that.

Ha Ha to him only being on loan :)

Arte et labore
I actually thought this was a good decision purely on playing grounds but I do agreeing with RR regarding behaviour. I don't think Orr did speak for the dressing room, I think his public support was simply belated payback for Kean rescuing his career when he couldn't get a game at QPR. The dressing room has been littered with players who didn't agree with Kean, most of whom he inheirited, and therefore owed him nothing, but ultimately left or were pushed out under agreements that required confidentiality be retained.
[quote][p][bold]Road Runner Road Runner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: Blueblooded, When Berg was appointed I suggested that he should teach Orr how to play at Right Back, I think Henning took a look and realised that he only has a 3 year contract ![/p][/quote](To RR's comment too). I didnt rate Orr as a player either (apart from Kean I dont know who did tbh!), my point was his comments made him a pariah with the fans, but surely others would have fetl the same way whether they voiced it or not? i didnt see the likes of Robbo, Dann etc make any bones about how Kean was managing, I can respect everyones opinion but I cant subscribe to the "the friend of my enemy is also my enemy" thing. And he was on loan to the dingles.. doesnt really make him an EX-Dingle.. thats really harsh lol![/p][/quote]I understand your comments regards Orr and these are to be commended, but his loyalty flew in the face of the real issues occurring down at Ewood. He came in long after the rot had set in and then made it his opinion known to the detriment. I have no issue with any person standing by that which they believe, but his stance was a two fingered salute to the vast majority of long suffering supporters and the derision he received thereon was totally justified. His heart was never ever in it for the greater good of the club, in my opinion ? I may not agree with what he said but I will defend his right to say it, but then comes the rebuff to his patently obvious loyalty. Our club became rudderless under the odious one(Venky are culpable too) and his type of comments said it all really. Exactly, you didn't see Robbo etc making bones over the odious one's tenure seeing as they may have a tad more respect for the supporters, and allowed us to make the decision ? Silence is golden ! Orr was there to give his best for BRFC not become embroiled with the supporters, and Berg will not stand for this kind of behavior when the club is sinking. Just for the record I was ashamed at the level that was reached in regards the Odious One, but that could have been nipped in the bud. The club is bigger than anyone - Orr and Kean finally realized that. Ha Ha to him only being on loan :) Arte et labore[/p][/quote]I actually thought this was a good decision purely on playing grounds but I do agreeing with RR regarding behaviour. I don't think Orr did speak for the dressing room, I think his public support was simply belated payback for Kean rescuing his career when he couldn't get a game at QPR. The dressing room has been littered with players who didn't agree with Kean, most of whom he inheirited, and therefore owed him nothing, but ultimately left or were pushed out under agreements that required confidentiality be retained. greenscreener

1:02pm Wed 14 Nov 12

whappen says...

blueblooded wrote:
Orr revealed the way Kean has handled himself calls for a great deal of respect. "The gaffer stood out there tonight and took a lot of stick, I've got nothing but admiration and respect for him," Orr said. "He's done everything he could to push us in the right direction and motivate us. "The tactics, training, everything - one man who can look in the mirror and say he's given everything is the manager. "I'll speak for the dressing room and thank him for what he's done, he's taken things on the chin that he shouldn't have had to. "The supporters voice their opinions in whatever way they want towards the owners, the players and the manager. Sometimes a line can be crossed and the way the gaffer's handled things is exemplary. "He's certainly the best I've worked with as far as managers go. "It's easy for people to pass the buck but the reality is the group of players fell short, it's us that need to take responsibility. "We've let the gaffer down because everything he's done has been geared to pushing us forward and we haven't done that." -------------- Those were Orr's words after relegation. I sometimes struggle with attitudes on this matter, i doubt he would have spoken for the dressing room if the rest of the team weren't with him. Certainly bar, a few players who were benched for openly being critical about Kean's tactics, there wasnt a lot of noise from the other players in protest. Yak even went and celebrated with Kean after scoring (and was boo-ed in the process). My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground. How he was personally to people around him, only those who were there would know, and if Orr felt the manager gave it his all and was getting a harder time than he should, surely that was his opinion? Kean himself stated that Venkys had tied his hands and were not allowing him free reign to run his team, if it hadnt been for the fact that he fell foul of the fans over his drink spiking comments and later the Big Sam snafu, surely fans might have felt differently about him too? maybe even have been a little sympathetic to a manager who was clearly being impeded by clueless owners to doing what he was employed to do? Anyway. Good luck to Orr, personally I hold no ill-feelings towards you and wish you all the best if you do decide to make the move permenant.
If he thought the owners were useless the first thing he should have done was tell them not sack Allardyce - yet. Plus he was their willing spokesman regarding everything to do with the club. Desai liked him so much she let him keep his job when surely even he must have known he should have been given the hook.

Everybody knows how he got the job in the first place, no matter what he and his agent says. He, or more likely, you know who, spotted an opportunity which he knew he (or rather his client) would never get again; he out stayed his welcome for the same reason. Now he says he was driven out, the nerve of the man!

He knew exactly what the score was regarding signing players; his own agent started it for heaven's sake. Even then he didn't appear to be under any pressure to actually pick them (Rochina and Formica). And how many games did Singh's Portugese start under him - not many.

All this dignity and respect rubbish seems to conveniently miss a) his ineptitude as a manager whilst b) his accusation his own fans got him banned from driving and c) he accused Allardyce of being a crook. Ok he was a little tipsy and probably used "crook" as a throwaway insult, rather than literally,but it didn't put him or the club in a very good light, did it?

Nor was it very dignified.

Players will always support the manager that's given them a job; until one or the other has gone anyway. And I hardly think the lack of any protest from the dressing room constitutes their support of Orr's statement. When have you ever heard one player openly disagreeing with another about the ability of their manager? They may say something about it between themselves or even to him (Orr) personally but it doesn't really serve any purpose contradicting a team mate in front of the cameras or in the papers.

The lack of anyone actually supporting him was far more telling.

Do not start a sympathy campaign for this charletan. He got a job by dubious means; a job he in no way deserved. In the context of the game - remember that's all it is - he did get everything he deserved after that. He's now walked off with a shed load of cash (which he most certainly didn't deserve) and can forget about the whole thing, living a nice and comfortable life, miles away from Blackburn. All this despite having been an abject failure.

Now, that is not what I call suffering nor does it deserve any sympathy from anyone.
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: Orr revealed the way Kean has handled himself calls for a great deal of respect. "The gaffer stood out there tonight and took a lot of stick, I've got nothing but admiration and respect for him," Orr said. "He's done everything he could to push us in the right direction and motivate us. "The tactics, training, everything - one man who can look in the mirror and say he's given everything is the manager. "I'll speak for the dressing room and thank him for what he's done, he's taken things on the chin that he shouldn't have had to. "The supporters voice their opinions in whatever way they want towards the owners, the players and the manager. Sometimes a line can be crossed and the way the gaffer's handled things is exemplary. "He's certainly the best I've worked with as far as managers go. "It's easy for people to pass the buck but the reality is the group of players fell short, it's us that need to take responsibility. "We've let the gaffer down because everything he's done has been geared to pushing us forward and we haven't done that." -------------- Those were Orr's words after relegation. I sometimes struggle with attitudes on this matter, i doubt he would have spoken for the dressing room if the rest of the team weren't with him. Certainly bar, a few players who were benched for openly being critical about Kean's tactics, there wasnt a lot of noise from the other players in protest. Yak even went and celebrated with Kean after scoring (and was boo-ed in the process). My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground. How he was personally to people around him, only those who were there would know, and if Orr felt the manager gave it his all and was getting a harder time than he should, surely that was his opinion? Kean himself stated that Venkys had tied his hands and were not allowing him free reign to run his team, if it hadnt been for the fact that he fell foul of the fans over his drink spiking comments and later the Big Sam snafu, surely fans might have felt differently about him too? maybe even have been a little sympathetic to a manager who was clearly being impeded by clueless owners to doing what he was employed to do? Anyway. Good luck to Orr, personally I hold no ill-feelings towards you and wish you all the best if you do decide to make the move permenant.[/p][/quote]If he thought the owners were useless the first thing he should have done was tell them not sack Allardyce - yet. Plus he was their willing spokesman regarding everything to do with the club. Desai liked him so much she let him keep his job when surely even he must have known he should have been given the hook. Everybody knows how he got the job in the first place, no matter what he and his agent says. He, or more likely, you know who, spotted an opportunity which he knew he (or rather his client) would never get again; he out stayed his welcome for the same reason. Now he says he was driven out, the nerve of the man! He knew exactly what the score was regarding signing players; his own agent started it for heaven's sake. Even then he didn't appear to be under any pressure to actually pick them (Rochina and Formica). And how many games did Singh's Portugese start under him - not many. All this dignity and respect rubbish seems to conveniently miss a) his ineptitude as a manager whilst b) his accusation his own fans got him banned from driving and c) he accused Allardyce of being a crook. Ok he was a little tipsy and probably used "crook" as a throwaway insult, rather than literally,but it didn't put him or the club in a very good light, did it? Nor was it very dignified. Players will always support the manager that's given them a job; until one or the other has gone anyway. And I hardly think the lack of any protest from the dressing room constitutes their support of Orr's statement. When have you ever heard one player openly disagreeing with another about the ability of their manager? They may say something about it between themselves or even to him (Orr) personally but it doesn't really serve any purpose contradicting a team mate in front of the cameras or in the papers. The lack of anyone actually supporting him was far more telling. Do not start a sympathy campaign for this charletan. He got a job by dubious means; a job he in no way deserved. In the context of the game - remember that's all it is - he did get everything he deserved after that. He's now walked off with a shed load of cash (which he most certainly didn't deserve) and can forget about the whole thing, living a nice and comfortable life, miles away from Blackburn. All this despite having been an abject failure. Now, that is not what I call suffering nor does it deserve any sympathy from anyone. whappen

1:17pm Wed 14 Nov 12

blueblooded says...

whappen wrote:
blueblooded wrote:
Orr revealed the way Kean has handled himself calls for a great deal of respect. "The gaffer stood out there tonight and took a lot of stick, I've got nothing but admiration and respect for him," Orr said. "He's done everything he could to push us in the right direction and motivate us. "The tactics, training, everything - one man who can look in the mirror and say he's given everything is the manager. "I'll speak for the dressing room and thank him for what he's done, he's taken things on the chin that he shouldn't have had to. "The supporters voice their opinions in whatever way they want towards the owners, the players and the manager. Sometimes a line can be crossed and the way the gaffer's handled things is exemplary. "He's certainly the best I've worked with as far as managers go. "It's easy for people to pass the buck but the reality is the group of players fell short, it's us that need to take responsibility. "We've let the gaffer down because everything he's done has been geared to pushing us forward and we haven't done that." -------------- Those were Orr's words after relegation. I sometimes struggle with attitudes on this matter, i doubt he would have spoken for the dressing room if the rest of the team weren't with him. Certainly bar, a few players who were benched for openly being critical about Kean's tactics, there wasnt a lot of noise from the other players in protest. Yak even went and celebrated with Kean after scoring (and was boo-ed in the process). My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground. How he was personally to people around him, only those who were there would know, and if Orr felt the manager gave it his all and was getting a harder time than he should, surely that was his opinion? Kean himself stated that Venkys had tied his hands and were not allowing him free reign to run his team, if it hadnt been for the fact that he fell foul of the fans over his drink spiking comments and later the Big Sam snafu, surely fans might have felt differently about him too? maybe even have been a little sympathetic to a manager who was clearly being impeded by clueless owners to doing what he was employed to do? Anyway. Good luck to Orr, personally I hold no ill-feelings towards you and wish you all the best if you do decide to make the move permenant.
If he thought the owners were useless the first thing he should have done was tell them not sack Allardyce - yet. Plus he was their willing spokesman regarding everything to do with the club. Desai liked him so much she let him keep his job when surely even he must have known he should have been given the hook.

Everybody knows how he got the job in the first place, no matter what he and his agent says. He, or more likely, you know who, spotted an opportunity which he knew he (or rather his client) would never get again; he out stayed his welcome for the same reason. Now he says he was driven out, the nerve of the man!

He knew exactly what the score was regarding signing players; his own agent started it for heaven's sake. Even then he didn't appear to be under any pressure to actually pick them (Rochina and Formica). And how many games did Singh's Portugese start under him - not many.

All this dignity and respect rubbish seems to conveniently miss a) his ineptitude as a manager whilst b) his accusation his own fans got him banned from driving and c) he accused Allardyce of being a crook. Ok he was a little tipsy and probably used "crook" as a throwaway insult, rather than literally,but it didn't put him or the club in a very good light, did it?

Nor was it very dignified.

Players will always support the manager that's given them a job; until one or the other has gone anyway. And I hardly think the lack of any protest from the dressing room constitutes their support of Orr's statement. When have you ever heard one player openly disagreeing with another about the ability of their manager? They may say something about it between themselves or even to him (Orr) personally but it doesn't really serve any purpose contradicting a team mate in front of the cameras or in the papers.

The lack of anyone actually supporting him was far more telling.

Do not start a sympathy campaign for this charletan. He got a job by dubious means; a job he in no way deserved. In the context of the game - remember that's all it is - he did get everything he deserved after that. He's now walked off with a shed load of cash (which he most certainly didn't deserve) and can forget about the whole thing, living a nice and comfortable life, miles away from Blackburn. All this despite having been an abject failure.

Now, that is not what I call suffering nor does it deserve any sympathy from anyone.
I think you misread my point whappen,no-one feels any sympathy towards Kean, he knew the score he was part of the problem and could have been part of the solution simply by stepping down BEFORE ww became relegation fodder.

My point as RR picked up on is his opinion was from his own experience of Kean. I'm sure many of us have worked under odious management that we detested, but other people alongside of us who were maybe treated differebtly had a different perspective. With regards to him being vocal about his loyalty to Kean, he wasn't the only one to jump on the "dignity" wagon although we would have preferred to have Kean be more dignified by stepping down of course.

Orr didnt shine as a player and he didnt make any friends of fans with his allegiance but I wont hold it against him tbh, and he's on loan let us not forget.. we though Goodwillie was gone and he's back, there is little reason to believe that IT will want him if he doesnt shine, given his less than spectacular display for Rovers.
[quote][p][bold]whappen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: Orr revealed the way Kean has handled himself calls for a great deal of respect. "The gaffer stood out there tonight and took a lot of stick, I've got nothing but admiration and respect for him," Orr said. "He's done everything he could to push us in the right direction and motivate us. "The tactics, training, everything - one man who can look in the mirror and say he's given everything is the manager. "I'll speak for the dressing room and thank him for what he's done, he's taken things on the chin that he shouldn't have had to. "The supporters voice their opinions in whatever way they want towards the owners, the players and the manager. Sometimes a line can be crossed and the way the gaffer's handled things is exemplary. "He's certainly the best I've worked with as far as managers go. "It's easy for people to pass the buck but the reality is the group of players fell short, it's us that need to take responsibility. "We've let the gaffer down because everything he's done has been geared to pushing us forward and we haven't done that." -------------- Those were Orr's words after relegation. I sometimes struggle with attitudes on this matter, i doubt he would have spoken for the dressing room if the rest of the team weren't with him. Certainly bar, a few players who were benched for openly being critical about Kean's tactics, there wasnt a lot of noise from the other players in protest. Yak even went and celebrated with Kean after scoring (and was boo-ed in the process). My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground. How he was personally to people around him, only those who were there would know, and if Orr felt the manager gave it his all and was getting a harder time than he should, surely that was his opinion? Kean himself stated that Venkys had tied his hands and were not allowing him free reign to run his team, if it hadnt been for the fact that he fell foul of the fans over his drink spiking comments and later the Big Sam snafu, surely fans might have felt differently about him too? maybe even have been a little sympathetic to a manager who was clearly being impeded by clueless owners to doing what he was employed to do? Anyway. Good luck to Orr, personally I hold no ill-feelings towards you and wish you all the best if you do decide to make the move permenant.[/p][/quote]If he thought the owners were useless the first thing he should have done was tell them not sack Allardyce - yet. Plus he was their willing spokesman regarding everything to do with the club. Desai liked him so much she let him keep his job when surely even he must have known he should have been given the hook. Everybody knows how he got the job in the first place, no matter what he and his agent says. He, or more likely, you know who, spotted an opportunity which he knew he (or rather his client) would never get again; he out stayed his welcome for the same reason. Now he says he was driven out, the nerve of the man! He knew exactly what the score was regarding signing players; his own agent started it for heaven's sake. Even then he didn't appear to be under any pressure to actually pick them (Rochina and Formica). And how many games did Singh's Portugese start under him - not many. All this dignity and respect rubbish seems to conveniently miss a) his ineptitude as a manager whilst b) his accusation his own fans got him banned from driving and c) he accused Allardyce of being a crook. Ok he was a little tipsy and probably used "crook" as a throwaway insult, rather than literally,but it didn't put him or the club in a very good light, did it? Nor was it very dignified. Players will always support the manager that's given them a job; until one or the other has gone anyway. And I hardly think the lack of any protest from the dressing room constitutes their support of Orr's statement. When have you ever heard one player openly disagreeing with another about the ability of their manager? They may say something about it between themselves or even to him (Orr) personally but it doesn't really serve any purpose contradicting a team mate in front of the cameras or in the papers. The lack of anyone actually supporting him was far more telling. Do not start a sympathy campaign for this charletan. He got a job by dubious means; a job he in no way deserved. In the context of the game - remember that's all it is - he did get everything he deserved after that. He's now walked off with a shed load of cash (which he most certainly didn't deserve) and can forget about the whole thing, living a nice and comfortable life, miles away from Blackburn. All this despite having been an abject failure. Now, that is not what I call suffering nor does it deserve any sympathy from anyone.[/p][/quote]I think you misread my point whappen,no-one feels any sympathy towards Kean, he knew the score he was part of the problem and could have been part of the solution simply by stepping down BEFORE ww became relegation fodder. My point as RR picked up on is his opinion was from his own experience of Kean. I'm sure many of us have worked under odious management that we detested, but other people alongside of us who were maybe treated differebtly had a different perspective. With regards to him being vocal about his loyalty to Kean, he wasn't the only one to jump on the "dignity" wagon although we would have preferred to have Kean be more dignified by stepping down of course. Orr didnt shine as a player and he didnt make any friends of fans with his allegiance but I wont hold it against him tbh, and he's on loan let us not forget.. we though Goodwillie was gone and he's back, there is little reason to believe that IT will want him if he doesnt shine, given his less than spectacular display for Rovers. blueblooded

1:29pm Wed 14 Nov 12

blueblooded says...

In answer the point about players not speaking out against Kean, Yak was boo-ed for celebrating with Kean, but he wasnt rebuffed when he left for showing his support. orr might have gone out of his way to do so, but silence isnt always golden. On one side you have the argument of employees who dont want to risk losing their jobs by being vocal, on the flip side you have players who get payed VERY well to represent the club and should be answerable and represent the people who pay their wages (us). It could be argued that Robbo and company had a DUTY to protest against the obvious desecration of all that we, the fans, the bill payers, hold sacred?

ps. isnt it nice to go back to reasoned debates again without all the name calling from the Keano era?

Almost feels like a new beginning :)
In answer the point about players not speaking out against Kean, Yak was boo-ed for celebrating with Kean, but he wasnt rebuffed when he left for showing his support. orr might have gone out of his way to do so, but silence isnt always golden. On one side you have the argument of employees who dont want to risk losing their jobs by being vocal, on the flip side you have players who get payed VERY well to represent the club and should be answerable and represent the people who pay their wages (us). It could be argued that Robbo and company had a DUTY to protest against the obvious desecration of all that we, the fans, the bill payers, hold sacred? ps. isnt it nice to go back to reasoned debates again without all the name calling from the Keano era? Almost feels like a new beginning :) blueblooded

1:32pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Lancs - pensioner says...

bwfcyeah wrote:
hi all
Bolton fan in peace. I have been keeping tabs on you guys recently, i am impressed with the football and organisation Berg seems to be implementing. I think its only a matter of time before you finish off teams. I can see a good fun coming and you champions by about 8 points.
I am attending Ewood for the lancashire derby on 28 November which will be a great contest, i think you will sneak it. We seem to be playing well now but need to take chances and close out games. 3 points for us both this weekend and Blackburn Bolton 1 & 2 in the league for the automatic promotion spots. Its all about after the christmas period who dares wins! plenty of games to look forward to. Good luck for the season and look forward to an atmospheric packed Ewood for the derby!
Hi BW
Good to see a footalling post from a local rival, yeh the last two years have been hell under Kean AND the Venkys so to hear posts just talking football again is great, HB has had a slow start but he seems to be going in the right direction, given time I hope both your predictions come true and we see you in the PL next year.
Good luck for the rest of the season (except against us obviously).
[quote][p][bold]bwfcyeah[/bold] wrote: hi all Bolton fan in peace. I have been keeping tabs on you guys recently, i am impressed with the football and organisation Berg seems to be implementing. I think its only a matter of time before you finish off teams. I can see a good fun coming and you champions by about 8 points. I am attending Ewood for the lancashire derby on 28 November which will be a great contest, i think you will sneak it. We seem to be playing well now but need to take chances and close out games. 3 points for us both this weekend and Blackburn Bolton 1 & 2 in the league for the automatic promotion spots. Its all about after the christmas period who dares wins! plenty of games to look forward to. Good luck for the season and look forward to an atmospheric packed Ewood for the derby![/p][/quote]Hi BW Good to see a footalling post from a local rival, yeh the last two years have been hell under Kean AND the Venkys so to hear posts just talking football again is great, HB has had a slow start but he seems to be going in the right direction, given time I hope both your predictions come true and we see you in the PL next year. Good luck for the rest of the season (except against us obviously). Lancs - pensioner

1:43pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Lancs - pensioner says...

Only1Garner wrote:
We a short on defenders and we move this clown out, just shows how good he is, perhaps he is the next Myles Anderson!
Myles Anderson, does anyone know where the next "Chris Smalling" is seeing out his lucrative contract?

Barrow?

GreatHarwood Town?

Clitheroe FC?

I wish my Daddy could get me job where the money is good and you dont have to be good at your job to earn it!!
[quote][p][bold]Only1Garner[/bold] wrote: We a short on defenders and we move this clown out, just shows how good he is, perhaps he is the next Myles Anderson![/p][/quote]Myles Anderson, does anyone know where the next "Chris Smalling" is seeing out his lucrative contract? Barrow? GreatHarwood Town? Clitheroe FC? I wish my Daddy could get me job where the money is good and you dont have to be good at your job to earn it!! Lancs - pensioner

2:03pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Captain Dreckley says...

1952 rover wrote:
Hendry next i hope.
Taxi for Hendry
[quote][p][bold]1952 rover[/bold] wrote: Hendry next i hope.[/p][/quote]Taxi for Hendry Captain Dreckley

2:23pm Wed 14 Nov 12

blueblooded says...

Funny how my comment on Twitter about Orr was answered so differently than on here.. always nice to get differrent viewpoints.
Funny how my comment on Twitter about Orr was answered so differently than on here.. always nice to get differrent viewpoints. blueblooded

3:27pm Wed 14 Nov 12

greenscreener says...

blueblooded wrote:
Funny how my comment on Twitter about Orr was answered so differently than on here.. always nice to get differrent viewpoints.
Sorry mate, don't follow twitter, what did the tweets think ?
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: Funny how my comment on Twitter about Orr was answered so differently than on here.. always nice to get differrent viewpoints.[/p][/quote]Sorry mate, don't follow twitter, what did the tweets think ? greenscreener

4:44pm Wed 14 Nov 12

blueblooded says...

greenscreener wrote:
blueblooded wrote:
Funny how my comment on Twitter about Orr was answered so differently than on here.. always nice to get differrent viewpoints.
Sorry mate, don't follow twitter, what did the tweets think ?
Bit of both really but mostly wishing him well which I think is right. I think there are too many unknowns to cast aspersions on any player in Kean's time.
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: Funny how my comment on Twitter about Orr was answered so differently than on here.. always nice to get differrent viewpoints.[/p][/quote]Sorry mate, don't follow twitter, what did the tweets think ?[/p][/quote]Bit of both really but mostly wishing him well which I think is right. I think there are too many unknowns to cast aspersions on any player in Kean's time. blueblooded

10:16pm Wed 14 Nov 12

whappen says...

blueblooded wrote:
whappen wrote:
blueblooded wrote: Orr revealed the way Kean has handled himself calls for a great deal of respect. "The gaffer stood out there tonight and took a lot of stick, I've got nothing but admiration and respect for him," Orr said. "He's done everything he could to push us in the right direction and motivate us. "The tactics, training, everything - one man who can look in the mirror and say he's given everything is the manager. "I'll speak for the dressing room and thank him for what he's done, he's taken things on the chin that he shouldn't have had to. "The supporters voice their opinions in whatever way they want towards the owners, the players and the manager. Sometimes a line can be crossed and the way the gaffer's handled things is exemplary. "He's certainly the best I've worked with as far as managers go. "It's easy for people to pass the buck but the reality is the group of players fell short, it's us that need to take responsibility. "We've let the gaffer down because everything he's done has been geared to pushing us forward and we haven't done that." -------------- Those were Orr's words after relegation. I sometimes struggle with attitudes on this matter, i doubt he would have spoken for the dressing room if the rest of the team weren't with him. Certainly bar, a few players who were benched for openly being critical about Kean's tactics, there wasnt a lot of noise from the other players in protest. Yak even went and celebrated with Kean after scoring (and was boo-ed in the process). My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground. How he was personally to people around him, only those who were there would know, and if Orr felt the manager gave it his all and was getting a harder time than he should, surely that was his opinion? Kean himself stated that Venkys had tied his hands and were not allowing him free reign to run his team, if it hadnt been for the fact that he fell foul of the fans over his drink spiking comments and later the Big Sam snafu, surely fans might have felt differently about him too? maybe even have been a little sympathetic to a manager who was clearly being impeded by clueless owners to doing what he was employed to do? Anyway. Good luck to Orr, personally I hold no ill-feelings towards you and wish you all the best if you do decide to make the move permenant.
If he thought the owners were useless the first thing he should have done was tell them not sack Allardyce - yet. Plus he was their willing spokesman regarding everything to do with the club. Desai liked him so much she let him keep his job when surely even he must have known he should have been given the hook. Everybody knows how he got the job in the first place, no matter what he and his agent says. He, or more likely, you know who, spotted an opportunity which he knew he (or rather his client) would never get again; he out stayed his welcome for the same reason. Now he says he was driven out, the nerve of the man! He knew exactly what the score was regarding signing players; his own agent started it for heaven's sake. Even then he didn't appear to be under any pressure to actually pick them (Rochina and Formica). And how many games did Singh's Portugese start under him - not many. All this dignity and respect rubbish seems to conveniently miss a) his ineptitude as a manager whilst b) his accusation his own fans got him banned from driving and c) he accused Allardyce of being a crook. Ok he was a little tipsy and probably used "crook" as a throwaway insult, rather than literally,but it didn't put him or the club in a very good light, did it? Nor was it very dignified. Players will always support the manager that's given them a job; until one or the other has gone anyway. And I hardly think the lack of any protest from the dressing room constitutes their support of Orr's statement. When have you ever heard one player openly disagreeing with another about the ability of their manager? They may say something about it between themselves or even to him (Orr) personally but it doesn't really serve any purpose contradicting a team mate in front of the cameras or in the papers. The lack of anyone actually supporting him was far more telling. Do not start a sympathy campaign for this charletan. He got a job by dubious means; a job he in no way deserved. In the context of the game - remember that's all it is - he did get everything he deserved after that. He's now walked off with a shed load of cash (which he most certainly didn't deserve) and can forget about the whole thing, living a nice and comfortable life, miles away from Blackburn. All this despite having been an abject failure. Now, that is not what I call suffering nor does it deserve any sympathy from anyone.
I think you misread my point whappen,no-one feels any sympathy towards Kean, he knew the score he was part of the problem and could have been part of the solution simply by stepping down BEFORE ww became relegation fodder. My point as RR picked up on is his opinion was from his own experience of Kean. I'm sure many of us have worked under odious management that we detested, but other people alongside of us who were maybe treated differebtly had a different perspective. With regards to him being vocal about his loyalty to Kean, he wasn't the only one to jump on the "dignity" wagon although we would have preferred to have Kean be more dignified by stepping down of course. Orr didnt shine as a player and he didnt make any friends of fans with his allegiance but I wont hold it against him tbh, and he's on loan let us not forget.. we though Goodwillie was gone and he's back, there is little reason to believe that IT will want him if he doesnt shine, given his less than spectacular display for Rovers.
Personally, I couldn't care less what Orr or any other player says about any manager. As Robbie Savage said, players couldn't care less who's the manager as long as they get paid and play on a Saturday. Any opinions they put forward in public or perceived support for the manager are obviously influenced by those factors.

My point related more to the level of sympathy for Kean you suggest there may have been had circumstances been different.

" My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground."

What else is there for the fans to form an opinion about their manager? You can add to those the way he got the job in the first place or the appointments he made and those he influenced; Hendry, Agnew and, by association, Shaw. Not to mention his chauffeur getting the ground manager's job. Of course this was down to the owners incompetence in running a football club and having to rely on Kean so heavily. But then why didn't he say to them, "Look this isn't my field; I don't know who should be operations director/chairman/gr
ound manager". Instead he made sure he built a human shield around himself by giving jobs to his friends and allies.

The fact is the fans' opinion of Kean came from all the usual factors on which a fan of any club bases their opinion of their manager. I think you are being kind in calling the accusations he made against the fans and BFS as "PR gaffes" whilst the results speak for themselves. Thank heavens the players weren't all against him.

With Kean, there was a whole lot more besides; the interference with team selection just does not wash I'm afraid.

He would have been run out of virtually any other club,regardless of what the players said and before you even begin to consider any of the extra baggage,
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whappen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: Orr revealed the way Kean has handled himself calls for a great deal of respect. "The gaffer stood out there tonight and took a lot of stick, I've got nothing but admiration and respect for him," Orr said. "He's done everything he could to push us in the right direction and motivate us. "The tactics, training, everything - one man who can look in the mirror and say he's given everything is the manager. "I'll speak for the dressing room and thank him for what he's done, he's taken things on the chin that he shouldn't have had to. "The supporters voice their opinions in whatever way they want towards the owners, the players and the manager. Sometimes a line can be crossed and the way the gaffer's handled things is exemplary. "He's certainly the best I've worked with as far as managers go. "It's easy for people to pass the buck but the reality is the group of players fell short, it's us that need to take responsibility. "We've let the gaffer down because everything he's done has been geared to pushing us forward and we haven't done that." -------------- Those were Orr's words after relegation. I sometimes struggle with attitudes on this matter, i doubt he would have spoken for the dressing room if the rest of the team weren't with him. Certainly bar, a few players who were benched for openly being critical about Kean's tactics, there wasnt a lot of noise from the other players in protest. Yak even went and celebrated with Kean after scoring (and was boo-ed in the process). My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground. How he was personally to people around him, only those who were there would know, and if Orr felt the manager gave it his all and was getting a harder time than he should, surely that was his opinion? Kean himself stated that Venkys had tied his hands and were not allowing him free reign to run his team, if it hadnt been for the fact that he fell foul of the fans over his drink spiking comments and later the Big Sam snafu, surely fans might have felt differently about him too? maybe even have been a little sympathetic to a manager who was clearly being impeded by clueless owners to doing what he was employed to do? Anyway. Good luck to Orr, personally I hold no ill-feelings towards you and wish you all the best if you do decide to make the move permenant.[/p][/quote]If he thought the owners were useless the first thing he should have done was tell them not sack Allardyce - yet. Plus he was their willing spokesman regarding everything to do with the club. Desai liked him so much she let him keep his job when surely even he must have known he should have been given the hook. Everybody knows how he got the job in the first place, no matter what he and his agent says. He, or more likely, you know who, spotted an opportunity which he knew he (or rather his client) would never get again; he out stayed his welcome for the same reason. Now he says he was driven out, the nerve of the man! He knew exactly what the score was regarding signing players; his own agent started it for heaven's sake. Even then he didn't appear to be under any pressure to actually pick them (Rochina and Formica). And how many games did Singh's Portugese start under him - not many. All this dignity and respect rubbish seems to conveniently miss a) his ineptitude as a manager whilst b) his accusation his own fans got him banned from driving and c) he accused Allardyce of being a crook. Ok he was a little tipsy and probably used "crook" as a throwaway insult, rather than literally,but it didn't put him or the club in a very good light, did it? Nor was it very dignified. Players will always support the manager that's given them a job; until one or the other has gone anyway. And I hardly think the lack of any protest from the dressing room constitutes their support of Orr's statement. When have you ever heard one player openly disagreeing with another about the ability of their manager? They may say something about it between themselves or even to him (Orr) personally but it doesn't really serve any purpose contradicting a team mate in front of the cameras or in the papers. The lack of anyone actually supporting him was far more telling. Do not start a sympathy campaign for this charletan. He got a job by dubious means; a job he in no way deserved. In the context of the game - remember that's all it is - he did get everything he deserved after that. He's now walked off with a shed load of cash (which he most certainly didn't deserve) and can forget about the whole thing, living a nice and comfortable life, miles away from Blackburn. All this despite having been an abject failure. Now, that is not what I call suffering nor does it deserve any sympathy from anyone.[/p][/quote]I think you misread my point whappen,no-one feels any sympathy towards Kean, he knew the score he was part of the problem and could have been part of the solution simply by stepping down BEFORE ww became relegation fodder. My point as RR picked up on is his opinion was from his own experience of Kean. I'm sure many of us have worked under odious management that we detested, but other people alongside of us who were maybe treated differebtly had a different perspective. With regards to him being vocal about his loyalty to Kean, he wasn't the only one to jump on the "dignity" wagon although we would have preferred to have Kean be more dignified by stepping down of course. Orr didnt shine as a player and he didnt make any friends of fans with his allegiance but I wont hold it against him tbh, and he's on loan let us not forget.. we though Goodwillie was gone and he's back, there is little reason to believe that IT will want him if he doesnt shine, given his less than spectacular display for Rovers.[/p][/quote]Personally, I couldn't care less what Orr or any other player says about any manager. As Robbie Savage said, players couldn't care less who's the manager as long as they get paid and play on a Saturday. Any opinions they put forward in public or perceived support for the manager are obviously influenced by those factors. My point related more to the level of sympathy for Kean you suggest there may have been had circumstances been different. " My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground." What else is there for the fans to form an opinion about their manager? You can add to those the way he got the job in the first place or the appointments he made and those he influenced; Hendry, Agnew and, by association, Shaw. Not to mention his chauffeur getting the ground manager's job. Of course this was down to the owners incompetence in running a football club and having to rely on Kean so heavily. But then why didn't he say to them, "Look this isn't my field; I don't know who should be operations director/chairman/gr ound manager". Instead he made sure he built a human shield around himself by giving jobs to his friends and allies. The fact is the fans' opinion of Kean came from all the usual factors on which a fan of any club bases their opinion of their manager. I think you are being kind in calling the accusations he made against the fans and BFS as "PR gaffes" whilst the results speak for themselves. Thank heavens the players weren't all against him. With Kean, there was a whole lot more besides; the interference with team selection just does not wash I'm afraid. He would have been run out of virtually any other club,regardless of what the players said and before you even begin to consider any of the extra baggage, whappen

12:50am Thu 15 Nov 12

diamonds2india says...

whappen wrote:
blueblooded wrote:
whappen wrote:
blueblooded wrote: Orr revealed the way Kean has handled himself calls for a great deal of respect. "The gaffer stood out there tonight and took a lot of stick, I've got nothing but admiration and respect for him," Orr said. "He's done everything he could to push us in the right direction and motivate us. "The tactics, training, everything - one man who can look in the mirror and say he's given everything is the manager. "I'll speak for the dressing room and thank him for what he's done, he's taken things on the chin that he shouldn't have had to. "The supporters voice their opinions in whatever way they want towards the owners, the players and the manager. Sometimes a line can be crossed and the way the gaffer's handled things is exemplary. "He's certainly the best I've worked with as far as managers go. "It's easy for people to pass the buck but the reality is the group of players fell short, it's us that need to take responsibility. "We've let the gaffer down because everything he's done has been geared to pushing us forward and we haven't done that." -------------- Those were Orr's words after relegation. I sometimes struggle with attitudes on this matter, i doubt he would have spoken for the dressing room if the rest of the team weren't with him. Certainly bar, a few players who were benched for openly being critical about Kean's tactics, there wasnt a lot of noise from the other players in protest. Yak even went and celebrated with Kean after scoring (and was boo-ed in the process). My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground. How he was personally to people around him, only those who were there would know, and if Orr felt the manager gave it his all and was getting a harder time than he should, surely that was his opinion? Kean himself stated that Venkys had tied his hands and were not allowing him free reign to run his team, if it hadnt been for the fact that he fell foul of the fans over his drink spiking comments and later the Big Sam snafu, surely fans might have felt differently about him too? maybe even have been a little sympathetic to a manager who was clearly being impeded by clueless owners to doing what he was employed to do? Anyway. Good luck to Orr, personally I hold no ill-feelings towards you and wish you all the best if you do decide to make the move permenant.
If he thought the owners were useless the first thing he should have done was tell them not sack Allardyce - yet. Plus he was their willing spokesman regarding everything to do with the club. Desai liked him so much she let him keep his job when surely even he must have known he should have been given the hook. Everybody knows how he got the job in the first place, no matter what he and his agent says. He, or more likely, you know who, spotted an opportunity which he knew he (or rather his client) would never get again; he out stayed his welcome for the same reason. Now he says he was driven out, the nerve of the man! He knew exactly what the score was regarding signing players; his own agent started it for heaven's sake. Even then he didn't appear to be under any pressure to actually pick them (Rochina and Formica). And how many games did Singh's Portugese start under him - not many. All this dignity and respect rubbish seems to conveniently miss a) his ineptitude as a manager whilst b) his accusation his own fans got him banned from driving and c) he accused Allardyce of being a crook. Ok he was a little tipsy and probably used "crook" as a throwaway insult, rather than literally,but it didn't put him or the club in a very good light, did it? Nor was it very dignified. Players will always support the manager that's given them a job; until one or the other has gone anyway. And I hardly think the lack of any protest from the dressing room constitutes their support of Orr's statement. When have you ever heard one player openly disagreeing with another about the ability of their manager? They may say something about it between themselves or even to him (Orr) personally but it doesn't really serve any purpose contradicting a team mate in front of the cameras or in the papers. The lack of anyone actually supporting him was far more telling. Do not start a sympathy campaign for this charletan. He got a job by dubious means; a job he in no way deserved. In the context of the game - remember that's all it is - he did get everything he deserved after that. He's now walked off with a shed load of cash (which he most certainly didn't deserve) and can forget about the whole thing, living a nice and comfortable life, miles away from Blackburn. All this despite having been an abject failure. Now, that is not what I call suffering nor does it deserve any sympathy from anyone.
I think you misread my point whappen,no-one feels any sympathy towards Kean, he knew the score he was part of the problem and could have been part of the solution simply by stepping down BEFORE ww became relegation fodder. My point as RR picked up on is his opinion was from his own experience of Kean. I'm sure many of us have worked under odious management that we detested, but other people alongside of us who were maybe treated differebtly had a different perspective. With regards to him being vocal about his loyalty to Kean, he wasn't the only one to jump on the "dignity" wagon although we would have preferred to have Kean be more dignified by stepping down of course. Orr didnt shine as a player and he didnt make any friends of fans with his allegiance but I wont hold it against him tbh, and he's on loan let us not forget.. we though Goodwillie was gone and he's back, there is little reason to believe that IT will want him if he doesnt shine, given his less than spectacular display for Rovers.
Personally, I couldn't care less what Orr or any other player says about any manager. As Robbie Savage said, players couldn't care less who's the manager as long as they get paid and play on a Saturday. Any opinions they put forward in public or perceived support for the manager are obviously influenced by those factors. My point related more to the level of sympathy for Kean you suggest there may have been had circumstances been different. " My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground." What else is there for the fans to form an opinion about their manager? You can add to those the way he got the job in the first place or the appointments he made and those he influenced; Hendry, Agnew and, by association, Shaw. Not to mention his chauffeur getting the ground manager's job. Of course this was down to the owners incompetence in running a football club and having to rely on Kean so heavily. But then why didn't he say to them, "Look this isn't my field; I don't know who should be operations director/chairman/gr ound manager". Instead he made sure he built a human shield around himself by giving jobs to his friends and allies. The fact is the fans' opinion of Kean came from all the usual factors on which a fan of any club bases their opinion of their manager. I think you are being kind in calling the accusations he made against the fans and BFS as "PR gaffes" whilst the results speak for themselves. Thank heavens the players weren't all against him. With Kean, there was a whole lot more besides; the interference with team selection just does not wash I'm afraid. He would have been run out of virtually any other club,regardless of what the players said and before you even begin to consider any of the extra baggage,
...and was it just coincidence the police were following him that night??
[quote][p][bold]whappen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whappen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: Orr revealed the way Kean has handled himself calls for a great deal of respect. "The gaffer stood out there tonight and took a lot of stick, I've got nothing but admiration and respect for him," Orr said. "He's done everything he could to push us in the right direction and motivate us. "The tactics, training, everything - one man who can look in the mirror and say he's given everything is the manager. "I'll speak for the dressing room and thank him for what he's done, he's taken things on the chin that he shouldn't have had to. "The supporters voice their opinions in whatever way they want towards the owners, the players and the manager. Sometimes a line can be crossed and the way the gaffer's handled things is exemplary. "He's certainly the best I've worked with as far as managers go. "It's easy for people to pass the buck but the reality is the group of players fell short, it's us that need to take responsibility. "We've let the gaffer down because everything he's done has been geared to pushing us forward and we haven't done that." -------------- Those were Orr's words after relegation. I sometimes struggle with attitudes on this matter, i doubt he would have spoken for the dressing room if the rest of the team weren't with him. Certainly bar, a few players who were benched for openly being critical about Kean's tactics, there wasnt a lot of noise from the other players in protest. Yak even went and celebrated with Kean after scoring (and was boo-ed in the process). My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground. How he was personally to people around him, only those who were there would know, and if Orr felt the manager gave it his all and was getting a harder time than he should, surely that was his opinion? Kean himself stated that Venkys had tied his hands and were not allowing him free reign to run his team, if it hadnt been for the fact that he fell foul of the fans over his drink spiking comments and later the Big Sam snafu, surely fans might have felt differently about him too? maybe even have been a little sympathetic to a manager who was clearly being impeded by clueless owners to doing what he was employed to do? Anyway. Good luck to Orr, personally I hold no ill-feelings towards you and wish you all the best if you do decide to make the move permenant.[/p][/quote]If he thought the owners were useless the first thing he should have done was tell them not sack Allardyce - yet. Plus he was their willing spokesman regarding everything to do with the club. Desai liked him so much she let him keep his job when surely even he must have known he should have been given the hook. Everybody knows how he got the job in the first place, no matter what he and his agent says. He, or more likely, you know who, spotted an opportunity which he knew he (or rather his client) would never get again; he out stayed his welcome for the same reason. Now he says he was driven out, the nerve of the man! He knew exactly what the score was regarding signing players; his own agent started it for heaven's sake. Even then he didn't appear to be under any pressure to actually pick them (Rochina and Formica). And how many games did Singh's Portugese start under him - not many. All this dignity and respect rubbish seems to conveniently miss a) his ineptitude as a manager whilst b) his accusation his own fans got him banned from driving and c) he accused Allardyce of being a crook. Ok he was a little tipsy and probably used "crook" as a throwaway insult, rather than literally,but it didn't put him or the club in a very good light, did it? Nor was it very dignified. Players will always support the manager that's given them a job; until one or the other has gone anyway. And I hardly think the lack of any protest from the dressing room constitutes their support of Orr's statement. When have you ever heard one player openly disagreeing with another about the ability of their manager? They may say something about it between themselves or even to him (Orr) personally but it doesn't really serve any purpose contradicting a team mate in front of the cameras or in the papers. The lack of anyone actually supporting him was far more telling. Do not start a sympathy campaign for this charletan. He got a job by dubious means; a job he in no way deserved. In the context of the game - remember that's all it is - he did get everything he deserved after that. He's now walked off with a shed load of cash (which he most certainly didn't deserve) and can forget about the whole thing, living a nice and comfortable life, miles away from Blackburn. All this despite having been an abject failure. Now, that is not what I call suffering nor does it deserve any sympathy from anyone.[/p][/quote]I think you misread my point whappen,no-one feels any sympathy towards Kean, he knew the score he was part of the problem and could have been part of the solution simply by stepping down BEFORE ww became relegation fodder. My point as RR picked up on is his opinion was from his own experience of Kean. I'm sure many of us have worked under odious management that we detested, but other people alongside of us who were maybe treated differebtly had a different perspective. With regards to him being vocal about his loyalty to Kean, he wasn't the only one to jump on the "dignity" wagon although we would have preferred to have Kean be more dignified by stepping down of course. Orr didnt shine as a player and he didnt make any friends of fans with his allegiance but I wont hold it against him tbh, and he's on loan let us not forget.. we though Goodwillie was gone and he's back, there is little reason to believe that IT will want him if he doesnt shine, given his less than spectacular display for Rovers.[/p][/quote]Personally, I couldn't care less what Orr or any other player says about any manager. As Robbie Savage said, players couldn't care less who's the manager as long as they get paid and play on a Saturday. Any opinions they put forward in public or perceived support for the manager are obviously influenced by those factors. My point related more to the level of sympathy for Kean you suggest there may have been had circumstances been different. " My point is, whatever fans felt about Kean, was surely more about his PR gaffs and the results on the ground." What else is there for the fans to form an opinion about their manager? You can add to those the way he got the job in the first place or the appointments he made and those he influenced; Hendry, Agnew and, by association, Shaw. Not to mention his chauffeur getting the ground manager's job. Of course this was down to the owners incompetence in running a football club and having to rely on Kean so heavily. But then why didn't he say to them, "Look this isn't my field; I don't know who should be operations director/chairman/gr ound manager". Instead he made sure he built a human shield around himself by giving jobs to his friends and allies. The fact is the fans' opinion of Kean came from all the usual factors on which a fan of any club bases their opinion of their manager. I think you are being kind in calling the accusations he made against the fans and BFS as "PR gaffes" whilst the results speak for themselves. Thank heavens the players weren't all against him. With Kean, there was a whole lot more besides; the interference with team selection just does not wash I'm afraid. He would have been run out of virtually any other club,regardless of what the players said and before you even begin to consider any of the extra baggage,[/p][/quote]...and was it just coincidence the police were following him that night?? diamonds2india

12:51am Thu 15 Nov 12

diamonds2india says...

Captain Dreckley wrote:
1952 rover wrote: Hendry next i hope.
Taxi for Hendry
...van for Hendry.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Dreckley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1952 rover[/bold] wrote: Hendry next i hope.[/p][/quote]Taxi for Hendry[/p][/quote]...van for Hendry. diamonds2india

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