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The Scottish people need the full facts

SCOTLAND! It’s a prickly subject, ‘a thorn in our side’ — a thistle!

To go or not to go, that certainly is a question that affects us all, and not just those north of the border.

I suppose I should have a strong leaning to Scotland as my mother was born in Rutherglen near Glasgow, but no, I’m English, and very proud of it.

So what do I think about the parting of the ways?

Well, I’m against it, not because of any great love of Scotland.

But because I am a believer in Great Britain, and to break that unity which gives both countries a great strength would be foolish.

Mind you, financially, we here in England would be better off, but would Scotland? I think not.

Amongst other things, they would have no National Health Service, would lose the monies and grants we so generously allow them and they wouldn’t have the backing of sterling.

But I am just a little afraid of a referendum taking place without the Scottish population having had a full debate and had all the facts and disadvantages put before them.

Funny thing the United Kingdom.

For we are a conglomerate of very different peoples, often with a different approach to life and its problems and, in the past, I think that sometimes there has been a feeling almost of hostility But that is all long gone.

The main thing to major on now is our solidarity, so that our four small united nations, can keep our place on the world stage.

Strange isn’t it, though, that we English have no national costume.

Being English I, of course, assume it’s because we are so universally known and respected we don’t need one, whereas other countries seem to have the need to reinforce their characteristics by a ‘uniform’.

We should forget the old music hall jokes ‘There was once an English, an Irish, a Scotsman and a Welsh man, and say ‘there is now Great Briton’.

By the way, I have heard on the grapevine that our council has no plans to celebrate the Queen’s Jubilee.

Someone, please tell me this is not the case.

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6:43pm Tue 17 Jan 12

Heretical says...

Erm....surprisingly the Scots get the same tv channels,radio programmes and newspapers......and internet that the English do.

Weird I know, but they aren't really cut off by Hadrian's wall.

I'm pretty sure that Scottish people are just as capable as anyone else of garnering information.And I'm definitely,positivel
y sure that they will have BOTH sides of the argument rammed down their throats until they are heartily sick of the whole thing.

As for your passing reference to no nation hostilities between the 4 nations...I would hate to disagree but there are still some around if you know where to look...it hasn't all gone.
Erm....surprisingly the Scots get the same tv channels,radio programmes and newspapers......and internet that the English do. Weird I know, but they aren't really cut off by Hadrian's wall. I'm pretty sure that Scottish people are just as capable as anyone else of garnering information.And I'm definitely,positivel y sure that they will have BOTH sides of the argument rammed down their throats until they are heartily sick of the whole thing. As for your passing reference to no nation hostilities between the 4 nations...I would hate to disagree but there are still some around if you know where to look...it hasn't all gone. Heretical
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8:24pm Tue 17 Jan 12

sean_brfc says...

Very patronising to the Scots saying that England would be financially better of but they would not. In the short-term you are wrong. Geographically, Scotland has 90% of the UK's North Sea fossil fuels so whilst the government may spend slightly more on Scots than the rest of us, there is a great deal of money flowing south of the border.

I do, however, agree that Scotland would suffer, given that keeping Sterling would effectively mean continued union, the Euro would mean less independence and a new currency would cause great uncertainty (as said by Alistair Darling). Its economy would be shaken, but it would be able to overcome that.

Nevertheless, independence would be a bad thing for Scotland AND for what would remain of the United Kingdom. If we portray ourselves as breaking up, we would lose the respect that, to an extent, we still demand as a remnant of our imperial and economic heydays. This would relegate us in many areas - the UN, Europe - affecting us politically and economically. Breaking apart makes absolutely no sense when everyone else is converging.
Very patronising to the Scots saying that England would be financially better of but they would not. In the short-term you are wrong. Geographically, Scotland has 90% of the UK's North Sea fossil fuels so whilst the government may spend slightly more on Scots than the rest of us, there is a great deal of money flowing south of the border. I do, however, agree that Scotland would suffer, given that keeping Sterling would effectively mean continued union, the Euro would mean less independence and a new currency would cause great uncertainty (as said by Alistair Darling). Its economy would be shaken, but it would be able to overcome that. Nevertheless, independence would be a bad thing for Scotland AND for what would remain of the United Kingdom. If we portray ourselves as breaking up, we would lose the respect that, to an extent, we still demand as a remnant of our imperial and economic heydays. This would relegate us in many areas - the UN, Europe - affecting us politically and economically. Breaking apart makes absolutely no sense when everyone else is converging. sean_brfc
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12:18pm Sat 21 Jan 12

louderfasterlonger says...

Proud nation with their own identity and varying loyalties whose upper lands were pillaged by the english and whose people were driven off their land by force.
They fought many wars for the crown, even against the english 350 years ago.
The people have the right to decide their own destiny as a democracy.
We have seen many states in Europe in very recent years win autonomy, not least the former Yugoslave states, the slovaks, and the Eastern block countries.
Holding onto outdated imperialism is, quite frankly futile. Good luck to the Scots, whatever you ultimately decide, but remember, those subs up Faslane are ours and we'll want them back.
Proud nation with their own identity and varying loyalties whose upper lands were pillaged by the english and whose people were driven off their land by force. They fought many wars for the crown, even against the english 350 years ago. The people have the right to decide their own destiny as a democracy. We have seen many states in Europe in very recent years win autonomy, not least the former Yugoslave states, the slovaks, and the Eastern block countries. Holding onto outdated imperialism is, quite frankly futile. Good luck to the Scots, whatever you ultimately decide, but remember, those subs up Faslane are ours and we'll want them back. louderfasterlonger
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12:30am Sun 22 Jan 12

brok says...

Have you ever filled in an official form? You must have come across the question,
Nationality: Try writing 'English' -especially when it is an on line form.
We live in a country called Uk to rhyme with 'pluck' among other words.
We are not 'citizens' we are 'subjects' yet we cannot say,
'I am English'. Ask a Scot, ask a Welsh man or woman, ask the Irish.
They are members of this Great British 'family' who are proud of their heritage and will say Scottish, Irish, or Welsh; while our masters will not even allow us that, because it may upset someone who is not English.
'On, on you noblest UK people! Doesn't have the same ring as 'On, on, you noblest English!
'God, for England and St George'! Harry's dead.
Have you ever filled in an official form? You must have come across the question, Nationality: Try writing 'English' -especially when it is an on line form. We live in a country called Uk to rhyme with 'pluck' among other words. We are not 'citizens' we are 'subjects' yet we cannot say, 'I am English'. Ask a Scot, ask a Welsh man or woman, ask the Irish. They are members of this Great British 'family' who are proud of their heritage and will say Scottish, Irish, or Welsh; while our masters will not even allow us that, because it may upset someone who is not English. 'On, on you noblest UK people! Doesn't have the same ring as 'On, on, you noblest English! 'God, for England and St George'! Harry's dead. brok
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