Why shouldn't people be treated equally, regardless of their sexuality? (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Sorry Bill, your naievity shows through very clearly.

Who are you or we to judge another. Well society has certain rules and to live within such a society we must all adhere to them. If we don't like them, then we can join another society or fight to change societies standards.

However, our standards or rules have been formed over several centuries and now some naieve short sighted people want to change them at the drop of a hat. That shows a complete lack of understanding and no sensitivity for the rest of our society.

Unfortunately, our society currently stinks and is so bad that no justice exists or is seen to exist. I would think again before publishing such an article.

If people want to be judged equally why are there gay "pride" parades and new policies at work to " protect gays lesbians and transexuals " ? If they want to be equal the why special policies ?
That is not equal to hetrosexuals .

If people want to be judged equally why are there gay "pride" parades and new policies at work to " protect gays lesbians and transexuals " ? If they want to be equal the why special policies ?
That is not equal to hetrosexuals .

I do hope this fool is not getting paid to write this patronising drivel.

Good on you Bill. Nice to see the old socialist in you again. It's a shame the bumpkin's above fail to understand that all people ask for is equality.

Caspar the ghost wrote:
Sorry Bill, your naievity shows through very clearly.

Who are you or we to judge another. Well society has certain rules and to live within such a society we must all adhere to them. If we don't like them, then we can join another society or fight to change societies standards.

However, our standards or rules have been formed over several centuries and now some naieve short sighted people want to change them at the drop of a hat. That shows a complete lack of understanding and no sensitivity for the rest of our society.

Unfortunately, our society currently stinks and is so bad that no justice exists or is seen to exist. I would think again before publishing such an article.

Would these be the same laws based on the bible? Saying that over 50% of the population of the UK is atheist - I think that a change is what we need.

BritainfortheBritish wrote:
If people want to be judged equally why are there gay "pride" parades and new policies at work to " protect gays lesbians and transexuals " ? If they want to be equal the why special policies ?
That is not equal to hetrosexuals .

The laws allowing gay pride marches are EXACTLY THE SAME as the laws allowing the edl retards to have their street party booze ups.

It's called the equality act.

Something about us all being equal......... Sounds nice doesn't it?

nonjob wrote:
I do hope this fool is not getting paid to write this patronising drivel.

Like him or loath him; at least he puts his money where his mouth is - unlike you!

jack daniels wrote:

BritainfortheBritish wrote:
If people want to be judged equally why are there gay "pride" parades and new policies at work to " protect gays lesbians and transexuals " ? If they want to be equal the why special policies ?
That is not equal to hetrosexuals .

The laws allowing gay pride marches are EXACTLY THE SAME as the laws allowing the edl retards to have their street party booze ups.

It's called the equality act.

Something about us all being equal......... Sounds nice doesn't it?

But ! special policies in the workplace is not equality it is preferential treatment that could end up with someone getting sacked for making a remark that could be deemed as anti gay just because someone gay within earshot takes it the wrong way.
It is also a restriction of freedom of speech in the workplace. Once again preferential treatment .

Re the EDL i do not think they are retards at all as they have a genuine and justifiable cause .That is to stop the rise of islam. And when ones own Christian country starts to resemble Saud Arabi of pakistan it is time to act but we have had gutless past and present governments that fail to do anything. Just look at Camerons recent stance of the wearing of crosses. He would not dare to tell muslims what not to wear . Eg the burka " although not even religious " .Once again preferential treatment to a small segment of society.

Yawns at NonJob!
Sir Bill has put forward some thoughtful or thought provoking notions, you choose to dismiss him as a Fool. If I recall correctly the guy has quite a few academic qualifications, degrees etc.
Seem to me a bit like "nothing to say" - denigrate those who put forward something to thoughtfully consider.
Have you anything constructive to say on these potentially family splitting issues?

BritainfortheBritish wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

BritainfortheBritish wrote:
If people want to be judged equally why are there gay "pride" parades and new policies at work to " protect gays lesbians and transexuals " ? If they want to be equal the why special policies ?
That is not equal to hetrosexuals .

The laws allowing gay pride marches are EXACTLY THE SAME as the laws allowing the edl retards to have their street party booze ups.

It's called the equality act.

Something about us all being equal......... Sounds nice doesn't it?

But ! special policies in the workplace is not equality it is preferential treatment that could end up with someone getting sacked for making a remark that could be deemed as anti gay just because someone gay within earshot takes it the wrong way.
It is also a restriction of freedom of speech in the workplace. Once again preferential treatment .

Re the EDL i do not think they are retards at all as they have a genuine and justifiable cause .That is to stop the rise of islam. And when ones own Christian country starts to resemble Saud Arabi of pakistan it is time to act but we have had gutless past and present governments that fail to do anything. Just look at Camerons recent stance of the wearing of crosses. He would not dare to tell muslims what not to wear . Eg the burka " although not even religious " .Once again preferential treatment to a small segment of society.

two things.

1) the equality act is there to stop people being offended or discriminated against. It's there to protect YOU when YOU need it.

I can't believe your example about a comment being taken the wrong way. Restriction of freedom of speech in the workplace?

Is that called work place bullying? Are you a bully yet you don't realise it?

2) This is not a christian country. Over 50% of the population is athiest according to the recent surveys. The equality act will shortly be used to stop muslims from dong some of the things they do in their own home. Wait until sharia law becomes used more and people will start using the equality act against them.

Oppression of women? Equality act will make them stop.

Forcing your child to go to madressa? Equality act will make them stop

'arranged marriages', yup, here comes the equality act to make them stop. All it needs is for people to takes these issues to court and make it case law.

Something to think about....

jack daniels wrote:

BritainfortheBritish wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

BritainfortheBritish wrote:
If people want to be judged equally why are there gay "pride" parades and new policies at work to " protect gays lesbians and transexuals " ? If they want to be equal the why special policies ?
That is not equal to hetrosexuals .

The laws allowing gay pride marches are EXACTLY THE SAME as the laws allowing the edl retards to have their street party booze ups.

It's called the equality act.

Something about us all being equal......... Sounds nice doesn't it?

But ! special policies in the workplace is not equality it is preferential treatment that could end up with someone getting sacked for making a remark that could be deemed as anti gay just because someone gay within earshot takes it the wrong way.
It is also a restriction of freedom of speech in the workplace. Once again preferential treatment .

Re the EDL i do not think they are retards at all as they have a genuine and justifiable cause .That is to stop the rise of islam. And when ones own Christian country starts to resemble Saud Arabi of pakistan it is time to act but we have had gutless past and present governments that fail to do anything. Just look at Camerons recent stance of the wearing of crosses. He would not dare to tell muslims what not to wear . Eg the burka " although not even religious " .Once again preferential treatment to a small segment of society.

two things.

1) the equality act is there to stop people being offended or discriminated against. It's there to protect YOU when YOU need it.

I can't believe your example about a comment being taken the wrong way. Restriction of freedom of speech in the workplace?

Is that called work place bullying? Are you a bully yet you don't realise it?

2) This is not a christian country. Over 50% of the population is athiest according to the recent surveys. The equality act will shortly be used to stop muslims from dong some of the things they do in their own home. Wait until sharia law becomes used more and people will start using the equality act against them.

Oppression of women? Equality act will make them stop.

Forcing your child to go to madressa? Equality act will make them stop

'arranged marriages', yup, here comes the equality act to make them stop. All it needs is for people to takes these issues to court and make it case law.

Something to think about....

It has already been established when labour were in power that any incident in the workplace that someone finds offensive even if not directed at them can end up being disciplined or sacked .
I think you will find the equality act favours gays / ethnic minorities etc not the ordinary working person. So is in effect not creating equality but is promoting inequality.
How can restriction of speech at worked be classed as work place bullying unless you mean by the use of the equality act as this could be deemed as bullying . This act will not stop people being people by it,s brainwashing mindset . People will still use language / terminology they always have . An example of this is the country being told they cannot use an abbreviation for pakistani .It still being used .It just means that if they use it they are likely to get disciplined / sacked for using their usual terminology .Not exactly fair is it ? I am far from the office bully by the way.
The last survey i read was that this country was 77% Christian so i suppose it depends on which survey one reads and how in depth it was.

As for sharia law it should not even be allowed in this country it should be British law only . And if you really think the equality law will stop anything at all to do with muslim practices you are living in dreamland . This country never says or does anything to upset them as they know they will create havoc by marching the streets as they do over the silliest things they do not like in our country.

BritainfortheBritish wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

BritainfortheBritish wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

BritainfortheBritish wrote:
If people want to be judged equally why are there gay "pride" parades and new policies at work to " protect gays lesbians and transexuals " ? If they want to be equal the why special policies ?
That is not equal to hetrosexuals .

The laws allowing gay pride marches are EXACTLY THE SAME as the laws allowing the edl retards to have their street party booze ups.

It's called the equality act.

Something about us all being equal......... Sounds nice doesn't it?

But ! special policies in the workplace is not equality it is preferential treatment that could end up with someone getting sacked for making a remark that could be deemed as anti gay just because someone gay within earshot takes it the wrong way.
It is also a restriction of freedom of speech in the workplace. Once again preferential treatment .

Re the EDL i do not think they are retards at all as they have a genuine and justifiable cause .That is to stop the rise of islam. And when ones own Christian country starts to resemble Saud Arabi of pakistan it is time to act but we have had gutless past and present governments that fail to do anything. Just look at Camerons recent stance of the wearing of crosses. He would not dare to tell muslims what not to wear . Eg the burka " although not even religious " .Once again preferential treatment to a small segment of society.

two things.

1) the equality act is there to stop people being offended or discriminated against. It's there to protect YOU when YOU need it.

I can't believe your example about a comment being taken the wrong way. Restriction of freedom of speech in the workplace?

Is that called work place bullying? Are you a bully yet you don't realise it?

2) This is not a christian country. Over 50% of the population is athiest according to the recent surveys. The equality act will shortly be used to stop muslims from dong some of the things they do in their own home. Wait until sharia law becomes used more and people will start using the equality act against them.

Oppression of women? Equality act will make them stop.

Forcing your child to go to madressa? Equality act will make them stop

'arranged marriages', yup, here comes the equality act to make them stop. All it needs is for people to takes these issues to court and make it case law.

Something to think about....

It has already been established when labour were in power that any incident in the workplace that someone finds offensive even if not directed at them can end up being disciplined or sacked .
I think you will find the equality act favours gays / ethnic minorities etc not the ordinary working person. So is in effect not creating equality but is promoting inequality.
How can restriction of speech at worked be classed as work place bullying unless you mean by the use of the equality act as this could be deemed as bullying . This act will not stop people being people by it,s brainwashing mindset . People will still use language / terminology they always have . An example of this is the country being told they cannot use an abbreviation for pakistani .It still being used .It just means that if they use it they are likely to get disciplined / sacked for using their usual terminology .Not exactly fair is it ? I am far from the office bully by the way.
The last survey i read was that this country was 77% Christian so i suppose it depends on which survey one reads and how in depth it was.

As for sharia law it should not even be allowed in this country it should be British law only . And if you really think the equality law will stop anything at all to do with muslim practices you are living in dreamland . This country never says or does anything to upset them as they know they will create havoc by marching the streets as they do over the silliest things they do not like in our country.

The new national census data says that over 50% are atheist. I'd say that's pretty solid evidence.

It's pointless arguing about the rest of your comment though because neither of us will agree and we are repeating ourselves. I hope you agree with this instead of claiming victory.

An example of good practice and why we should be equal under one sky.

A court in Derbyshire has convicted a Muslim man, already jailed for inciting hatred against gays, of using threatening or abusive language at Derbyshire Pride.

Kabir Ahmed was convicted under section 4A of the Public Order Act 1986, which makes it an offence to cause harassment, alarm or distress with threatening language or behaviour for his appearance at the 2011 pride march.

While Ahmed, 28, was given a two-year conditional discharge, his three co-defendants were cleared, the Derby Telegraph reports.

Magistrate Bernard Thorpe said: “It was for the defence to show the conduct was responsible and did not go beyond his religious beliefs.

“But we find that his words and behaviour were intended to cause harassment, alarm or distress against homosexuals.

“We cannot find the other defendants guilty as there is insufficient evidence.”

A gay couple had complained after Mr Ahmed spoke through a loudhailer of research showing a connection between homosexuality and paedophilia. Passer-by Aaron Stephens, 43, told the court: “The phrase that I heard which sticks out in my mind is one that linked gay people to paedophilia.

“I was shocked, offended and sickened by it.”

Ahmed formed part of a 30-strong group protesting the event with placards reading “Homosexuality = Freedom Gone Too Far,” “Homosexuality = A Crime Against God” and “Islam is the Ultimate Truth”.

Earlier this year, Ahmed was convicted of distributing leaflets intended to stir up hatred against gays. He and two other men had handed out a publication entitled ‘The Death Penalty?’ outside their mosque ahead of the gay pride parade the previous year.

The ‘Death Penalty?’ leaflet contained an image of a mannequin hanging from a noose and quoted Muslim texts suggesting execution was the way to rid society of homosexuality.

The Public Order Act 1986 was amended by the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 to create the offence of intentionally stirring up hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation, and this was the first-ever trial under the offence.

In order to convict, the jury had to be convinced the leaflets were not just insulting or abusive, but were “threatening”, and were distributed with the intention of stirring up hatred.

Last night, one of Ahmed’s co-accused said the others “knew they were never guilty” of the lesser distress offence.

and an example of when there is no equality act.

Twelve Christians have been sentenced to life imprisonment in Egypt, while eight Muslims jointly charged in the case were acquitted, in what has been slammed as a “serious miscarriage of justice”.

A military court tried the defendants on 21 May in connection with an outbreak of sectarian violence in Abu Qurqas El Balad, Minya, in April 2011 in which four people were killed.

Christian activist Georges Wahib, who attended the hearing, said that as the judge pronounced the verdict:


There was complete silence, as it came as a shock to everyone, then cries of grief and wailing could be heard from the Christian families with shouts of “we are innocent”, while the Muslim side broke out into jubilation and shouts of “Allahu Akbar” (“god is great”).

Violence broke out on 18 April 2011 after a Muslim bus driver became angry over a speed bump outside the home of a wealthy Christian lawyer, Alaa Reda Roushdi. Two Muslims were killed in the subsequent fighting.

Following the funerals of the two deceased, a mob of Muslims looted and burnt down scores of homes and businesses belonging to Christians. An elderly Christian woman died after being thrown from a second floor balcony, and a Christian man who was stabbed during the violence later died in hospital. Ten Christians were injured and hospitalised.

The twelve Christian men sentenced to life imprisonment were convicted of sowing public strife, the possession of illegal weapons and killing two Muslims. Among the twelve was Mr Roushdi, who was not even at home when the deaths occurred.

The eight Muslim defendants who were acquitted had been charged with possession of illegal weapons and burning down the homes and businesses. Nobody was charged with the murder of the Christians.

The first instance you give is aimed at hatred of homosexuals not really equality .But one has to ask does there really need to be gay pride parades in the first place ? Is being gay something to be proud of ? Or should they be truly equal and just get on with life like the rest of us with no special policies etc .
We all know there are gay people .We are innundated with it on tv to the extent one has to miss bits of their favourite soaps / dramas etc as the sught of 2 mens kissing makes me sick as do 2 women to straight women.
I had to laugh at the muslims saying homosexuality is connected to paedophilia . There religion thta is more connected to this than anything else . Marrying little girls is paedophilia / child abuse.

As for the Christians story . It was in Egypt so what do you expect .This would be commonplace in any islamic country where life is cheap and the culture heathen .

jack daniels wrote:

BritainfortheBritish wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

BritainfortheBritish wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

BritainfortheBritish wrote:
If people want to be judged equally why are there gay "pride" parades and new policies at work to " protect gays lesbians and transexuals " ? If they want to be equal the why special policies ?
That is not equal to hetrosexuals .

The laws allowing gay pride marches are EXACTLY THE SAME as the laws allowing the edl retards to have their street party booze ups.

It's called the equality act.

Something about us all being equal......... Sounds nice doesn't it?

But ! special policies in the workplace is not equality it is preferential treatment that could end up with someone getting sacked for making a remark that could be deemed as anti gay just because someone gay within earshot takes it the wrong way.
It is also a restriction of freedom of speech in the workplace. Once again preferential treatment .

Re the EDL i do not think they are retards at all as they have a genuine and justifiable cause .That is to stop the rise of islam. And when ones own Christian country starts to resemble Saud Arabi of pakistan it is time to act but we have had gutless past and present governments that fail to do anything. Just look at Camerons recent stance of the wearing of crosses. He would not dare to tell muslims what not to wear . Eg the burka " although not even religious " .Once again preferential treatment to a small segment of society.

two things.

1) the equality act is there to stop people being offended or discriminated against. It's there to protect YOU when YOU need it.

I can't believe your example about a comment being taken the wrong way. Restriction of freedom of speech in the workplace?

Is that called work place bullying? Are you a bully yet you don't realise it?

2) This is not a christian country. Over 50% of the population is athiest according to the recent surveys. The equality act will shortly be used to stop muslims from dong some of the things they do in their own home. Wait until sharia law becomes used more and people will start using the equality act against them.

Oppression of women? Equality act will make them stop.

Forcing your child to go to madressa? Equality act will make them stop

'arranged marriages', yup, here comes the equality act to make them stop. All it needs is for people to takes these issues to court and make it case law.

Something to think about....

It has already been established when labour were in power that any incident in the workplace that someone finds offensive even if not directed at them can end up being disciplined or sacked .
I think you will find the equality act favours gays / ethnic minorities etc not the ordinary working person. So is in effect not creating equality but is promoting inequality.
How can restriction of speech at worked be classed as work place bullying unless you mean by the use of the equality act as this could be deemed as bullying . This act will not stop people being people by it,s brainwashing mindset . People will still use language / terminology they always have . An example of this is the country being told they cannot use an abbreviation for pakistani .It still being used .It just means that if they use it they are likely to get disciplined / sacked for using their usual terminology .Not exactly fair is it ? I am far from the office bully by the way.
The last survey i read was that this country was 77% Christian so i suppose it depends on which survey one reads and how in depth it was.

As for sharia law it should not even be allowed in this country it should be British law only . And if you really think the equality law will stop anything at all to do with muslim practices you are living in dreamland . This country never says or does anything to upset them as they know they will create havoc by marching the streets as they do over the silliest things they do not like in our country.

The new national census data says that over 50% are atheist. I'd say that's pretty solid evidence.

It's pointless arguing about the rest of your comment though because neither of us will agree and we are repeating ourselves. I hope you agree with this instead of claiming victory.

No probs re that Jack . And i would not want to claim victory as it is just 2 different peoples opinions .
If the census says that then so be it.