Talks urged over Pendle Green Line bus service

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A COUNCILLOR has called for talks over the future of the Pendle Green Line bus service before funding ends next year.

The 94 and 95 services run from Brierfield to Nelson, and Burnley to Colne.

For the past five years the service has been operating from £350,000 development money paid by Boundary Mill when they opened their store at the end of the M65 in Colne.

Now Colne councillor Tony Greaves says talks have to take place to consider how the service will be funded when the agreement ends.

He said: “I think that people in Colne should start talking about the service and start having some discussions before the five-year section 106 agreement with Boundary Mill comes to an end.

“We need information on the number of users of the service, we should be getting facts and figures.

“It is quite clear looking at the service that there are times of the day it is quite well used and times of the day it doesn’t appear to be quite as well used.

“But we need to get hold of the facts and figures before we discuss the future of the service with Lancashire County Council and Boundary Mill.”

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Part of the section 106 money paid to the council for the development was used to fund the service from March 2008 to March 2013.

Coun Greaves said: “It was a service run by the county council before Boundary Mill came in. The section 106 agreement enabled the service to keep running and take in Boundary Mill.

“It is quite clear there will be a danger that Boundary Mill don’t want to continue subsidising this route.

"We need to start talking about it soon so we don’t get left with the council coming back with proposals and us trying to catch up.”

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12:50pm Tue 13 Mar 12

andybNelson says...

Maybe Councillor Greaves should talk to the bus Operator which is Tryer Bus as they will have the figures by journey and boarding point as its recorded by those Nice black ticket machines that all operators have to use in order to accept the Nowcard Pensioner and disabled passes.

i would think that it is guaranteed that Boundary mill are not going to pay for this service after march 2013 and why should they.

On all my journeys on this service i have never known a Passenger get off at Boundary Mill.
most Workers use the MainLine service and walk through to Boundary mill.
the Council have used this service to cover for other routes which have been cut back the result is a service which wanders all over with journey times been continuously extended wich discourages use
Maybe Councillor Greaves should talk to the bus Operator which is Tryer Bus as they will have the figures by journey and boarding point as its recorded by those Nice black ticket machines that all operators have to use in order to accept the Nowcard Pensioner and disabled passes. i would think that it is guaranteed that Boundary mill are not going to pay for this service after march 2013 and why should they. On all my journeys on this service i have never known a Passenger get off at Boundary Mill. most Workers use the MainLine service and walk through to Boundary mill. the Council have used this service to cover for other routes which have been cut back the result is a service which wanders all over with journey times been continuously extended wich discourages use andybNelson
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1:58pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Clarets Mad says...

Is it elction time soon ?
Lord Greaves must be busy tapping the keyboard in the House Of Lords Tearooms.

People of Colne haven't forgotten he sold our buses off and now he pretends to be the saviour - what a flamin hypocrite

He is part of this CON/dEM government and he must be defeated to send Nick Clegg a message that enough is enough

This time you will get battered in Colne for supporting this Tory government
When are you publishing your parliamentary expenses ????
Is it elction time soon ? Lord Greaves must be busy tapping the keyboard in the House Of Lords Tearooms. People of Colne haven't forgotten he sold our buses off and now he pretends to be the saviour - what a flamin hypocrite He is part of this CON/dEM government and he must be defeated to send Nick Clegg a message that enough is enough This time you will get battered in Colne for supporting this Tory government When are you publishing your parliamentary expenses ???? Clarets Mad
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8:22pm Tue 13 Mar 12

tonygreaves says...

No keyboards in the "House of Lords tearooms", whatever and wherever they may be.

You think Burnley and Pendle Councils could have afforded to run the local bus services during the past 20 years? We would still have been running 30 year old buses.

I am not a member of the government.

House of Lords allowances are all published regularly on the HoL website. Members of the Lords do not get any salary or wage but are paid a flat rate £300 for each day they attend - and no other "expenses" other than the cost of travel to and from London. (So if I spend a day working at home on HoL stuff, which I often do, I am paid nothing - not complaining just pointing out the difference between peers and MPs who are paid a salary and their allowances and expenses on top of that).

Tony Greaves
No keyboards in the "House of Lords tearooms", whatever and wherever they may be. You think Burnley and Pendle Councils could have afforded to run the local bus services during the past 20 years? We would still have been running 30 year old buses. I am not a member of the government. House of Lords allowances are all published regularly on the HoL website. Members of the Lords do not get any salary or wage but are paid a flat rate £300 for each day they attend - and no other "expenses" other than the cost of travel to and from London. (So if I spend a day working at home on HoL stuff, which I often do, I am paid nothing - not complaining just pointing out the difference between peers and MPs who are paid a salary and their allowances and expenses on top of that). Tony Greaves tonygreaves
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8:22pm Tue 13 Mar 12

tonygreaves says...

No keyboards in the "House of Lords tearooms", whatever and wherever they may be.

You think Burnley and Pendle Councils could have afforded to run the local bus services during the past 20 years? We would still have been running 30 year old buses.

I am not a member of the government.

House of Lords allowances are all published regularly on the HoL website. Members of the Lords do not get any salary or wage but are paid a flat rate £300 for each day they attend - and no other "expenses" other than the cost of travel to and from London. (So if I spend a day working at home on HoL stuff, which I often do, I am paid nothing - not complaining just pointing out the difference between peers and MPs who are paid a salary and their allowances and expenses on top of that).

Tony Greaves
No keyboards in the "House of Lords tearooms", whatever and wherever they may be. You think Burnley and Pendle Councils could have afforded to run the local bus services during the past 20 years? We would still have been running 30 year old buses. I am not a member of the government. House of Lords allowances are all published regularly on the HoL website. Members of the Lords do not get any salary or wage but are paid a flat rate £300 for each day they attend - and no other "expenses" other than the cost of travel to and from London. (So if I spend a day working at home on HoL stuff, which I often do, I am paid nothing - not complaining just pointing out the difference between peers and MPs who are paid a salary and their allowances and expenses on top of that). Tony Greaves tonygreaves
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11:29am Wed 14 Mar 12

Clarets Mad says...

You are a Lib/Dem Lord in a Con-Dem government ..so you are a member of the government ..with your record you will soon competing with Birty next door to whom will get a ministerial Jag first as the biggest sell out ...
..lol
Birty nor you have the b******
to condemn Clegg for Privatising the NHS or selling your souls to this right wing Cameroon Tories
I can't wait for the Tories or Labour to expose your voting record in the Lords

By the way do Peers still get first class travel and expenses for cream teas ??
You are a Lib/Dem Lord in a Con-Dem government ..so you are a member of the government ..with your record you will soon competing with Birty next door to whom will get a ministerial Jag first as the biggest sell out ... ..lol Birty nor you have the b****** to condemn Clegg for Privatising the NHS or selling your souls to this right wing Cameroon Tories I can't wait for the Tories or Labour to expose your voting record in the Lords By the way do Peers still get first class travel and expenses for cream teas ?? Clarets Mad
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6:54pm Wed 14 Mar 12

Kevin, Colne says...

I have never been convinced by the argument that section 106 money should be used for funding current expenditure. Local political parties and councillors take a very different view, and I accept that there may well be legal issues about how the money can be spent.

Far better to treat 106 money not as a bonanza to be squandered but in the way that we should have treated income from North Sea oil taxation - as a one off gift to be nurtured so that it can 'keep giving' to our children and grand-children.

It's true that services 94 and 95 has provided a useful service but by the same token what the Council has done is to spend good money - valuable capital - to transport fresh air from a to b.

Moreover, the service has not been marketed in any sense of the word. This is a great shame as there is potential to market the service in some very imaginative ways. Part of the problem is that the service is under the 'dead-hand' of Lancashire County Council whose idea of marketing amounts to producing some leaflets and placing them in libraries and sticking generic posters in bus shelters. I imagine that the pricing policy - fares - is not market-driven either, so all-in-all I suspect that the service has under-performed by a considerable margin.

If the Council is going to subsidise a bus service then councillors should insist that officers produce a well thought-out, convincing and on-going marketing plan to go with it. This means more than leaflets and posters.

The danger here is that councillors and officers will employ consultants to assist them in this task; this without a doubt will guarantee failure.
I have never been convinced by the argument that section 106 money should be used for funding current expenditure. Local political parties and councillors take a very different view, and I accept that there may well be legal issues about how the money can be spent. Far better to treat 106 money not as a bonanza to be squandered but in the way that we should have treated income from North Sea oil taxation - as a one off gift to be nurtured so that it can 'keep giving' to our children and grand-children. It's true that services 94 and 95 has provided a useful service but by the same token what the Council has done is to spend good money - valuable capital - to transport fresh air from a to b. Moreover, the service has not been marketed in any sense of the word. This is a great shame as there is potential to market the service in some very imaginative ways. Part of the problem is that the service is under the 'dead-hand' of Lancashire County Council whose idea of marketing amounts to producing some leaflets and placing them in libraries and sticking generic posters in bus shelters. I imagine that the pricing policy - fares - is not market-driven either, so all-in-all I suspect that the service has under-performed by a considerable margin. If the Council is going to subsidise a bus service then councillors should insist that officers produce a well thought-out, convincing and on-going marketing plan to go with it. This means more than leaflets and posters. The danger here is that councillors and officers will employ consultants to assist them in this task; this without a doubt will guarantee failure. Kevin, Colne
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