Rossendale man jailed for growing £16k drugs farm (From Lancashire Telegraph)

bonobo wrote:
"a committee member at his local WMC " where alcohol is sold .I wonder how many times the police/NHS have had to deal with the problems caused by the legal drug at this club ?.This persecution has to stop your D.MARCH

Cha'mone MF wrote:

bonobo wrote:
"a committee member at his local WMC " where alcohol is sold .I wonder how many times the police/NHS have had to deal with the problems caused by the legal drug at this club ?.This persecution has to stop your D.MARCH

Yes but alcohol is legal regardless of what you think and cannabis isn't.

Cha'mone MF wrote:

bonobo wrote:
"a committee member at his local WMC " where alcohol is sold .I wonder how many times the police/NHS have had to deal with the problems caused by the legal drug at this club ?.This persecution has to stop your D.MARCH

Yes but alcohol is legal regardless of what you think and cannabis isn't.

midas wrote:
My maths might be well out but (I'm old school!) 1.6kg is 56oz. £16,000 divided by 56 = £286 per ounce. Can anyone confirm that the "street" price of cannabis is any where near £286/oz(or £35 an eigth!).
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There seems to be a lot of "potential" ianvolved in the sentencing as well! Perhaps the mitigation should have been - "well your Honour, its the first time hes tried to grow his own. There are 39 plants but only 20 will reach maturity, of those 20, 10 are male and will not flower and out of the other 10, hes not given them enough food/light so the yield will be an ounce each, its got a low THC and a street value of £50/oz but he smokes a couple of oz a week and wouldn't have any to sell etc etc"
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regardless i will however feel much safer walking around Rossendale knowing that this villan is off the streets!

midas wrote:
My maths might be well out but (I'm old school!) 1.6kg is 56oz. £16,000 divided by 56 = £286 per ounce. Can anyone confirm that the "street" price of cannabis is any where near £286/oz(or £35 an eigth!).
.
There seems to be a lot of "potential" ianvolved in the sentencing as well! Perhaps the mitigation should have been - "well your Honour, its the first time hes tried to grow his own. There are 39 plants but only 20 will reach maturity, of those 20, 10 are male and will not flower and out of the other 10, hes not given them enough food/light so the yield will be an ounce each, its got a low THC and a street value of £50/oz but he smokes a couple of oz a week and wouldn't have any to sell etc etc"
.
regardless i will however feel much safer walking around Rossendale knowing that this villan is off the streets!

D Bell wrote:

midas wrote:
My maths might be well out but (I'm old school!) 1.6kg is 56oz. £16,000 divided by 56 = £286 per ounce. Can anyone confirm that the "street" price of cannabis is any where near £286/oz(or £35 an eigth!).
.
There seems to be a lot of "potential" ianvolved in the sentencing as well! Perhaps the mitigation should have been - "well your Honour, its the first time hes tried to grow his own. There are 39 plants but only 20 will reach maturity, of those 20, 10 are male and will not flower and out of the other 10, hes not given them enough food/light so the yield will be an ounce each, its got a low THC and a street value of £50/oz but he smokes a couple of oz a week and wouldn't have any to sell etc etc"
.
regardless i will however feel much safer walking around Rossendale knowing that this villan is off the streets!

MIDAS,

The police use £10 a gram as the street price when they value cannabis

Also, the Court of Appeal issued sentencing guidelines in the Auton ruling which is what this sentence is based on

D Bell wrote:

midas wrote:
My maths might be well out but (I'm old school!) 1.6kg is 56oz. £16,000 divided by 56 = £286 per ounce. Can anyone confirm that the "street" price of cannabis is any where near £286/oz(or £35 an eigth!).
.
There seems to be a lot of "potential" ianvolved in the sentencing as well! Perhaps the mitigation should have been - "well your Honour, its the first time hes tried to grow his own. There are 39 plants but only 20 will reach maturity, of those 20, 10 are male and will not flower and out of the other 10, hes not given them enough food/light so the yield will be an ounce each, its got a low THC and a street value of £50/oz but he smokes a couple of oz a week and wouldn't have any to sell etc etc"
.
regardless i will however feel much safer walking around Rossendale knowing that this villan is off the streets!

MIDAS,

The police use £10 a gram as the street price when they value cannabis

Also, the Court of Appeal issued sentencing guidelines in the Auton ruling which is what this sentence is based on

Cha'mone MF wrote:

bonobo wrote:
"a committee member at his local WMC " where alcohol is sold .I wonder how many times the police/NHS have had to deal with the problems caused by the legal drug at this club ?.This persecution has to stop your D.MARCH

Yes but alcohol is legal regardless of what you think and cannabis isn't.

D Bell wrote:
Here is the Auton ruling,

http://www.keithbore

r.co.uk/news/view-ar

ticle/court-of-appea

l-ruling--indoor-can

nabis-cultivation

D Bell wrote:
The link doesn't seem to be working but this gives the basics:

A recent ruling from the Court of Appeal has put new light on indoor cannabis cultivation - how will this affect your case?

In previous cases, much of our work addressed what was considered over-estimation (by the prosecution) of potential yields from cannabis crops to give the impression that cultivation may be for supply rather than personal use. One Prosecution laboratory had been using an estimate of 57g per plant, whereas another was using 40g per plant. We have been successful in a number of cases in addressing the balance of this to look at what may or may not be realistically achievable. Immature or poorly cultivated plants, for instance, would not be expected to yield as much of the active drug as fully grown plants.

The recent case of R –v- Auton made some significant recommendations, including:
•the need for a custodial sentence even if cultivation is for personal use

•yield estimates should be in the range of 28g to 40g

•elements of the case such as scale, investment in equipment or whether or not the cultivation is commercial should be assessed as guidance for sentencing.

Issues such as whether the plants are seed grown or cutting grown (which dramatically affects yield), the health of the plants and whether leaves are being kept or discarded still need to be considered. Furthermore, outdoor cultivation arguably falls outside the scope of the ruling.

Jack Stanley Evans wrote:
Well a lawyer or a cannabis nerd/geek, that's for sure!

Isn't there a more straightforward approach?

Isn't there a more consumer focused, less nerdy approach to changing this stupid law?

mpierce wrote:
How about instead of wasting millions of pounds of taxpayer money cracking down on these victimless "crimes," the police and justice system actually earns it's keep by preventing absurd miscarriages of justice like this: http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2084370/Paedophile-O

NE-MILLION-sickening

-images-child-abuse-

spared-jail.html

D Bell wrote:
And it costs us as taxpayers £40,000 a year to keep a cannabis grower in prison

We should demand tax rebates!

1LoveUnity wrote:
I think it would be good if we could treat Cannabis pretty much the same as alcohol with age restrictions etc, but don't put it on supermarket shelves, kids might shoplift it from there. They should not have booze on supermarket shelves either, for the same reason.

AB3 wrote:

1LoveUnity wrote:
I think it would be good if we could treat Cannabis pretty much the same as alcohol with age restrictions etc, but don't put it on supermarket shelves, kids might shoplift it from there. They should not have booze on supermarket shelves either, for the same reason.

Yes but cannabis is nothing like alcohol: cannabis is a plant, alcohol is manufactured from plants; it is impossible to die from over-consumption of cannabis, from alcohol tens of thousands in the UK day every year, countless accidents, violence, abusiveness, ill-health, absenteeism and premature death from alcohol.

Cannabis itself has powerful medicinal uses - as well as social, religious and industrial.

People are allowed to brew their own beer, make their own wine, and consume it at home - same should be allowed for growing and possessing own cannabis.

Adults should be allowed to buy from licensed outlets where advice and quality control (consumer protection) would be available and profits taxed.

Commercial growers should be licensed.

It is unjust to punish cannabis users because of their choice whilst those that choose alcohol get the protection of the law and police stay away until somebody is at risk or harmed.

With cannabis they barge in to people's homes and arrest them for doing no harm at all.

Burnleyboy38 wrote:
believe it or not BUT cannabis DOES grow outside HERE EVEN IN BURNLEY,,,,,,,,,,,,,

,,,,,,,,,so..think about it..................

.. save ur doors.LOL..........B

UT we also need a good summer

endunjustlaws wrote:
I am a single parent. My child knows I smoke cannabis. I have sat with him and discussed drugs and drug misuse at some length. Not surprisingly his knowledge and attitude towards alcohol and cigarettes has a sound footing. Grandma died of lung cancer at 63 and could not quit even after an early and hopeful diagnosis. His attitude toward alcohol somewhat formed by the fact that one of his best friends lost his Mum and Grandma through alcoholism (they died in the same ward in the same bed within 3 months of each other) but more so by watching and observing peoples behaviour. I have found programmes like nightcops to be a great educational tool and a good starting point for discussion on the subject.
He realises that the state sponsored terrorism he sees in these programmes could happen to us early one morning and that balaclava clad and possibly armed police have the powers to smash their way into our house just because when I get home from work after a hard day I choose a relatively harmless herb to help me relax and wind down instead of a gin and tonic. Does that scare him so much that he wants me to stop smoking cannabis and start drinking again instead?
ABSOLUTELY NOT and why because he can see the drunken idiots and their behaviour on TV in programmes like this and to him THAT IS VERY SCARY!
He knows how cannabis affects people because he can see it with his own eyes every day. He doesn't want to smoke or drink alcohol but even at his young age he can comprehend the unfairness and hypocrisy of the drug laws. When are our government, police and judiciary going to show as much intelligence as this 9yr old

endunjustlaws wrote:
I am a single parent. My child knows I smoke cannabis. I have sat with him and discussed drugs and drug misuse at some length. Not surprisingly his knowledge and attitude towards alcohol and cigarettes has a sound footing. Grandma died of lung cancer at 63 and could not quit even after an early and hopeful diagnosis. His attitude toward alcohol somewhat formed by the fact that one of his best friends lost his Mum and Grandma through alcoholism (they died in the same ward in the same bed within 3 months of each other) but more so by watching and observing peoples behaviour. I have found programmes like nightcops to be a great educational tool and a good starting point for discussion on the subject.
He realises that the state sponsored terrorism he sees in these programmes could happen to us early one morning and that balaclava clad and possibly armed police have the powers to smash their way into our house just because when I get home from work after a hard day I choose a relatively harmless herb to help me relax and wind down instead of a gin and tonic. Does that scare him so much that he wants me to stop smoking cannabis and start drinking again instead?
ABSOLUTELY NOT and why because he can see the drunken idiots and their behaviour on TV in programmes like this and to him THAT IS VERY SCARY!
He knows how cannabis affects people because he can see it with his own eyes every day. He doesn't want to smoke or drink alcohol but even at his young age he can comprehend the unfairness and hypocrisy of the drug laws. When are our government, police and judiciary going to show as much intelligence as this 9yr old

endunjustlaws wrote:
Your ignorance of the subject is obvious from your ridiculous comments. The first thing my Son sees when he comes home from School is his childminder as I am a single Father who works hard to support his child. In your weird world I suppose there should not be such a thing as a single Father working and bringing up a child on his own let alone anyone capable of holding down a job and recreationally using cannabis? Your dangerous and ignorant attitude towards the issues of recreational drug use be it with legal or illegal drugs is exactly what I am trying to avoid by being open and honest with my child regarding my experiences and those of others. Cannabis use can be problematic especially if used habitually from a young age. No way would I want my child getting into using any recreational drug be it illegal or legal until he is old enough to have an education and make an informed adult decision. Its no different with cannabis than it is with alcohol. Unfortunately and because of years of failed government policy I am sure that he is going to come across the necessity to make that decision before he is an adult so it is vital that I teach him the truth, the facts about all drugs, in a calm intelligent manner. Throughout history human beings have always had the desire to alter their conciousness or mood through the use of various substances. It will never be any different in my boys generation or generations to come. The sooner we recognise that this is a part of human nature we are never going to change the sooner we can end the costly and violent war on drugs and bring some common sense into the argument. Unfortunately Keep Darwin Green that sensible debate is never going to include someone as uneducated as you appear to be.

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

endunjustlaws wrote:
Your ignorance of the subject is obvious from your ridiculous comments. The first thing my Son sees when he comes home from School is his childminder as I am a single Father who works hard to support his child. In your weird world I suppose there should not be such a thing as a single Father working and bringing up a child on his own let alone anyone capable of holding down a job and recreationally using cannabis? Your dangerous and ignorant attitude towards the issues of recreational drug use be it with legal or illegal drugs is exactly what I am trying to avoid by being open and honest with my child regarding my experiences and those of others. Cannabis use can be problematic especially if used habitually from a young age. No way would I want my child getting into using any recreational drug be it illegal or legal until he is old enough to have an education and make an informed adult decision. Its no different with cannabis than it is with alcohol. Unfortunately and because of years of failed government policy I am sure that he is going to come across the necessity to make that decision before he is an adult so it is vital that I teach him the truth, the facts about all drugs, in a calm intelligent manner. Throughout history human beings have always had the desire to alter their conciousness or mood through the use of various substances. It will never be any different in my boys generation or generations to come. The sooner we recognise that this is a part of human nature we are never going to change the sooner we can end the costly and violent war on drugs and bring some common sense into the argument. Unfortunately Keep Darwin Green that sensible debate is never going to include someone as uneducated as you appear to be.

So you condone getting mind blown as its happened throughout history since we first emerged from caves? with the shamens jigging around chanting after mindwiping themselves and telling us its a sign from god. No you crack pipe hitter, you are just incapable of dealing with a normal existence and prefer one which has been chemically enhanced. Then you preach to ma boy about how one mind bending mindwipe drug is worse than another.
Well from where I'm sitting you're all the same. I don't need educating to deal with reality I already manage to cope with no rocks involved. You on the other hand are unable to do so, until your head is full of them.
I refuse to be lectured by an addict. You need help to get you off the crack pipe and the podium. Sit down you junkie

Keep Darwen Green wrote:
Sorry for the delay in posting, I've just come round from gouching out. I had this dream that some nutter smoked drugs in front of his nine year old child and then called me uneducated for saying he is a nutter. If its against the law you are teaching him to break it.
Great parenting

Burnleyboy38 wrote:
NUP JUST OUTDOORS,i did it other yr n got a 4footer...but not nr my house just out in the wilderness.i was shocked to see it do so well.roll on summer ,but u have to germinate it urself AND u can use NORMAL soil./4get all this john innes old stuff n what not.mine was perfect

Jack Stanley Evans wrote:
"All these people injecting cannabis"

"The first thing he sees is his parent crack piped out of its head"

Good bye!

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:
Can any one help me I'm trying to inject my self with cannabis lol funny stuff on here :) Information really is power

Burnleyboy38 wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin

ce58 wrote:
Can any one help me I'm trying to inject my self with cannabis lol funny stuff on here :) Information really is power

guess u dint watch that program .i think it was called"SHALL I OR NOT" n she got injected with sum PURE THC oh man id av luvd to try it out but needlephobia qwud stop me,IF im right its in dam u can get it im not sure or cud av been in a lab somewhere here i 4got was that long ago,,was FUNNY prog,cos she didnt normally use.bet shes a PURE POT HEAD now.LOL

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:
Sorry for the delay in posting, I've just come round from gouching out. I had this dream that some nutter smoked drugs in front of his nine year old child and then called me uneducated for saying he is a nutter. If its against the law you are teaching him to break it.
Great parenting

Are you bi-polar, not being nasty just asking :)

Jack Stanley Evans wrote:
So what can be done to make this happen? It is important that people know about this.

Who is doing anything about this? Is it just the LibDems?

I must say 1Love, I am impressed with your ideas.

1LoveUnity wrote:

Jack Stanley Evans wrote:
So what can be done to make this happen? It is important that people know about this.

Who is doing anything about this? Is it just the LibDems?

I must say 1Love, I am impressed with your ideas.

Well I've been looking around and many people seem to be coming together now to press for the changes that need to be made. There was even a presentation made at Parliament last year with a discussion plan being presented showing that the U.K. as a whole could be much better off with a legal supply chain for Cannabis. As more people band together into a unified voice I hope we can have more influence.

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

1LoveUnity wrote:

Jack Stanley Evans wrote:
So what can be done to make this happen? It is important that people know about this.

Who is doing anything about this? Is it just the LibDems?

I must say 1Love, I am impressed with your ideas.

Well I've been looking around and many people seem to be coming together now to press for the changes that need to be made. There was even a presentation made at Parliament last year with a discussion plan being presented showing that the U.K. as a whole could be much better off with a legal supply chain for Cannabis. As more people band together into a unified voice I hope we can have more influence.

So all the junkies think if they share a needle, people will listen do you. Cannabis is wrong, it kills and spreads disease.

Keep Darwen Green wrote:
Sorry I stand corrected. Bi polar is an invented disorder to describe someone who has injected too much cannabis and now loses arguments with himself.
Think about that one too :0).
Anyway all these cannabis users leaving their used hyperdermics lying around while they lie there mindwiped must be a health hazard. Does this 9 year old lad just step over you and make his own tea?

Keep Darwen Green wrote:
Look like all the junkies have passed out and are now drowning in their own vomit.
Just say NO, Don't let your life be taken over by the receptors in your brain. Fight back, refuse to be an addict, don't you know if you keep on injecting cannabis your veins will collapse and you will die.