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Windows error could cost firm £115k

8:26pm Wednesday 9th January 2008

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By Helen Korn »

A DEVELOPER converting a grade II-listed chapel may be forced to rip out £115,000 worth of brand new windows after installing the wrong type.

Barnett Construction has told Rossendale Council that it was an "oversight" and is asking for permission to keep the UPVC windows at the former methodist chapel, off York Street, Crawshawbooth.

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And it has won the backing of 18 local traders who have signed a petition supporting the bid. They are keen to see the rundown building be turned into 12 apartments.

But council officers are recommending the windows be removed as they are "historically and architecturally incorrect" for the 1870s chapel.

Now the matter will be decided on by councillors at a meeting next week.

Barnett Construction was granted planning permission for the apartments in 2004, subject to conditions which stated it must use double-glazed timber framed windows.

But brown UPVC frames with a woodgrain finish were installed.

In a report, the council says the UPVC frames are an unauthorised change which has "resulted in a colour that is historically and architecturally incorrect for the building".

It goes on to say that the "construction, shape and design are at odds with the period and character of the chapel."

In his report the council conservation officer recommends that the UPVC frames and associated panels used in the implementation were used "unnecessarily and unacceptably harm the special architectural and historic interest of the listed building".

He recommends that the current applications be refused and action taken to secure the replacement of the window frames and associated panels.

English Heritage argues for the use of timber windows against other materials, covering issues of energy efficiency, longevity, repair and maintenance, the council report says.

But the agent, Alan Kinder Associates, says that the insertion of the UPVC windows was an "oversight", in documents included in council agenda papers.

It says changing the window design would cause massive problems with regards to sound transmission and acoustic regulations.

Alan Kinder Associates also says that the windows were the most expensive and realistic wood grain finish foil available on the market and that they had all had been individually hand-crafted to suit their opening.

Neither Barnett Construction nor Alan Kinder Associates were available for comment.

The item will be discussed at a development control meeting on Tuesday, January 15.

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Dave, Crawshawbooth says...
9:06pm Tue 29 Jan 08

I live just behind this development, and am so annoyed at how amateur this building firm is. We had a lovely cobbled street leading down to burnley road, and this has now been ruined by all the machinery using it daily. they have left huge holes in the road which will destroy any car going accross them. They speed up and down the streets, with no thought to the people living close by.... Should have sold there other houses on burnley road before building more... Rant over..

J Suthers, crawshawbooth says...
2:59pm Fri 18 Jan 08

I read the original planning document at the one stop shop and it did say the construction company had made an oversight.
go and have a look for yourself instead

Mr Morse, rawtenstall says...
11:17pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Get to know the real facts behind this story by visiting rossendale borough council website look up minutes of development control meeting 15/1/08.
Check out page 2 article 2.2 "As a result of discussion with the applicant's Agent amended drawings and a letter were received detailing(amongst other things):a)how a stone transom would be inserted into the first-floor window-openings at the level of the new floor-slab; & b)proposing the installation in the round-headed and segmental-headed window-openings throughout the building of new double-glazed frames which were to be of timber-construction and painted a cream colour."
After reading this how is it that the word "oversight" is being used ?

glenn procter, rawtenstall says...
5:56pm Sun 13 Jan 08

I must admit I have passed the building many times since it,s restoration,and it looks magnificent! and from the road the window frames and doors do indeed look like wood,perhaps a compromise could be reached,the developer could do something for the village at a much smaller cost than replacing the windows,thus not getting of scott free.

Robert, Rawtenstall says...
10:17pm Sat 12 Jan 08

If you search the planning application on google it brings up the documents for this project,on page 5or6 it says in black and white "The exterior will be sensitively cleaned,the window openings will be restored and timber frames utilised and the front doors refurbished".How can you oversight that?
Also if I make a mistake and don't get my own way in the future Is it fair to say all I need is the local traders with a petition to get me out of the mess.
Finally does it really matter if they used the most exspensive (Handcrafted?)plasti

c windows?
No it does not the council is right but I bet they back down as usual.Watching with interest

remove them, blackburn says...
10:09am Sat 12 Jan 08

remove them!!! every terraced house has the same windows, and to me its started to look more like a house. Wood window frames are hard to get hold off and because of it being unique the job should have been completed with the correct windows. Replace them because my terraced house looks the same.

clydeiboy, rossendale says...
6:25pm Fri 11 Jan 08

How many windows can you buy for £115,000 I would'nt ask them to do a job for me to expensive and incapable of understanding the materials they should be using.
The developer should be capable of understanding wood from upvc they knew what they were doing and been caught out.They should just change them and stop moaning

Richard, Burnley says...
2:31pm Fri 11 Jan 08

I drive past this building every day and it now looks fantastic. The developer should be applauded not castigated. Knowing Rossendale Borough Council like I do you can bet there is a tale to be told. This is a council that is anti developer indeed progress of any sort except if it something that benefits officers.

Mr Angry, Blackburn says...
6:21pm Thu 10 Jan 08

Developers regularly breach planning conditions, gambling (often successfully) that the local authority won't have the guts to enforce the conditions.

When the developer bought the property the price would have been negotiated on the basis that the conversion work would cost a lot more because it was a listed building. Consequently, if the developer gets away with this the net effect is an increase in their profit at the expense of the community.

Sarah, Bacup says...
5:29pm Thu 10 Jan 08

They look like wood to me.In fact it looks pretty good.Better than it going to rack n ruin.They should leave the windows in..it's crazy to take them out at this stage in the game.Fair do's if they were some outragous colour but they're not.If they look like wood does it matter....Really!
If it was done on a council building I'm **** sure the council would be overlooking this one!

Andrew Farrow, Clitheroe says...
12:22pm Thu 10 Jan 08

which part of " wood frames were stipulated in the approved plans " do people not understand ?
developers CANNOT just deviate from the appoved specification on a whim .
the merits / demerits of UPVC are irrelevant , they were told to , and agreed to install wood . so wood should have been installed .
if they wanted to use plastic , they should have negotiated plastic into the plans .

tony, bacup says...
10:34am Thu 10 Jan 08

Rossendale Council should remove any central heating elecric lighting from th building and install coal fires and candles and while their at it remove the tarmac/ street lighting as it simply isn't in keeping with an 1870s building.
Dullards.

Ian the Beancounter, Darwen says...
10:20am Thu 10 Jan 08

Another example of ridiculous bureacracy! I'm all in favour of retaining our history and heritage, but some things have got to change or else we would all still be living in mud huts with wattle & daub walls! I agree that the general feel must be retained, and woodgrain UPVC windows these days look extremely realistic and are certainly far more efficient than timber. Come on Rossendale Council, catch up with the World!

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ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE: Windows at the former Methodist chapel, off York Street, Crawshawbooth ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE: Windows at the former Methodist chapel, off York Street, Crawshawbooth

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