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Preston woman dies after 90ft fall from Blackburn Mall car park

Lancashire Telegraph: TRAGEDY Police and ambulance behind Blackburn shopping centre where a woman died TRAGEDY Police and ambulance behind Blackburn shopping centre where a woman died

SHOPPERS watched in horror as a woman plunged 90ft to her death in Blackburn town centre this afternoon.

Specially-trained police negotiators attempted to talk the 32-year-old down from the top of The Mall in a tense two-hour stand-off.

The area around Ainsworth Street and Richmond Terrace was cordoned off following the incident.

But horrified onlookers, including shoppers and staff from Blackburn with Darwen Council’s children’s services, which is directly opposite, watched as the woman, fell to the ground at about 2.15pm.

She landed on the windscreen of a parked grey Vauxhall Astra car, and despite being given CPR, was pronounced dead at the scene at 2.35pm.

Police confirmed the woman, who was from Preston, was alone and that there were no suspicious circumstances.

Insp Graham Ashcroft said: “We were called to reports of a suicidal female.

"Officers responded and there was a period of negotiation.

"Then she jumped from the edge of the car park. She was confirmed dead at the scene.”

A spokeswoman for the Mall said a parapet wall runs along the top of the carpark.

She said there had been no involvement from Mall staff.

The top level of the car park was temporarily closed and a cordon remained in place.

Ainsworth Street at the junction with Barbara Castle Way remained closed for some time afterwards.

A spokeswoman for the Samaritans said: “Anyone who is feeling desperate can always contact a member of the Samaritans for help 24 hours a day.”

The helpline is 08457 909090.

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3:55pm Thu 1 Dec 11

polly_58 says...

This poor woman has died!
very sad for her family
RIP
This poor woman has died! very sad for her family RIP polly_58
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4:04pm Thu 1 Dec 11

tip top tow says...

she did not fall she just sat there for a bit befor toppling over the side,i wos there very sad to see ;(.
she did not fall she just sat there for a bit befor toppling over the side,i wos there very sad to see ;(. tip top tow
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4:31pm Thu 1 Dec 11

Keep Darwen Green says...

Tragic, absolutely awful RIP
Tragic, absolutely awful RIP Keep Darwen Green
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4:39pm Thu 1 Dec 11

Moonman says...

Tragic incident which I was unfortunate enough to witness, RIP to the young girl who has lost her life and thoughts to her family and friends who will have to cope with this. It is worrying that children are being driven to such actions, another story on this website about a 12 year old boy who hung himself. Children should be enjoying life and looking forward to what the world can offer them, not getting in to such poor mental states that drive them to actions such as this.
Tragic incident which I was unfortunate enough to witness, RIP to the young girl who has lost her life and thoughts to her family and friends who will have to cope with this. It is worrying that children are being driven to such actions, another story on this website about a 12 year old boy who hung himself. Children should be enjoying life and looking forward to what the world can offer them, not getting in to such poor mental states that drive them to actions such as this. Moonman
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4:43pm Thu 1 Dec 11

Bat E Karen says...

Oh no, was it a young girl? How tragic.
Oh no, was it a young girl? How tragic. Bat E Karen
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5:33pm Thu 1 Dec 11

ghanto says...

make things safe for public as its made for public not a show
make things safe for public as its made for public not a show ghanto
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5:56pm Thu 1 Dec 11

wajp138 says...

I witnessed the incident and felt really sick afterwards. I am really sad to read the lady sadly passed away. It is very sad.

What makes my blood boil was that the police did not seal the whole area off whilst the lady was sat on the edge of the roof top of the car park. from where i was standing, (and i was only passing and the incident was brought to my attention by someone else) there were people who were taking pictures on the mobile phones.

In such a sensitive life threatening situation the area should have been cordoned off by the police.
I witnessed the incident and felt really sick afterwards. I am really sad to read the lady sadly passed away. It is very sad. What makes my blood boil was that the police did not seal the whole area off whilst the lady was sat on the edge of the roof top of the car park. from where i was standing, (and i was only passing and the incident was brought to my attention by someone else) there were people who were taking pictures on the mobile phones. In such a sensitive life threatening situation the area should have been cordoned off by the police. wajp138
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6:35pm Thu 1 Dec 11

Manuel Hung says...

wajp138 wrote:
I witnessed the incident and felt really sick afterwards. I am really sad to read the lady sadly passed away. It is very sad. What makes my blood boil was that the police did not seal the whole area off whilst the lady was sat on the edge of the roof top of the car park. from where i was standing, (and i was only passing and the incident was brought to my attention by someone else) there were people who were taking pictures on the mobile phones. In such a sensitive life threatening situation the area should have been cordoned off by the police.
Why on earth is any of this the fault of the Police?
.
Even if they had managed to put a 600m exclusion zone around the area, which in a town centre would take hundreds of officers, do you think it would have made any difference?
.
Get a grip and realise that sometimes people are responsible for their own actions and the nanny state can not solve everything!
[quote][p][bold]wajp138[/bold] wrote: I witnessed the incident and felt really sick afterwards. I am really sad to read the lady sadly passed away. It is very sad. What makes my blood boil was that the police did not seal the whole area off whilst the lady was sat on the edge of the roof top of the car park. from where i was standing, (and i was only passing and the incident was brought to my attention by someone else) there were people who were taking pictures on the mobile phones. In such a sensitive life threatening situation the area should have been cordoned off by the police.[/p][/quote]Why on earth is any of this the fault of the Police? . Even if they had managed to put a 600m exclusion zone around the area, which in a town centre would take hundreds of officers, do you think it would have made any difference? . Get a grip and realise that sometimes people are responsible for their own actions and the nanny state can not solve everything! Manuel Hung
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6:44pm Thu 1 Dec 11

brfcianbrfc says...

Why are you all trying to blame somebody. Its very sad. RIP
Why are you all trying to blame somebody. Its very sad. RIP brfcianbrfc
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6:54pm Thu 1 Dec 11

zara10zara10 says...

irrispective of how this young woman come to end up on the floor, a person has still died today. May she R.I.P n my Condolences are with her family at this very sad time :(
irrispective of how this young woman come to end up on the floor, a person has still died today. May she R.I.P n my Condolences are with her family at this very sad time :( zara10zara10
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6:58pm Thu 1 Dec 11

tomboy28 says...

Christmas is not going to be the same this yr.
first the 12 yrs old boy now her
Christmas is not going to be the same this yr. first the 12 yrs old boy now her tomboy28
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7:03pm Thu 1 Dec 11

littledolly says...

it was an awful thing to witness, thoughts go out to the family of this poor lady !
it was an awful thing to witness, thoughts go out to the family of this poor lady ! littledolly
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7:06pm Thu 1 Dec 11

nelsonborn&bred says...

don't understand why they still build car parks in this way without safety bars or grills after all the deaths in nelson multi storey over the years i do understand that if somebody wants to kill their selves they will find a way but such a shame .
don't understand why they still build car parks in this way without safety bars or grills after all the deaths in nelson multi storey over the years i do understand that if somebody wants to kill their selves they will find a way but such a shame . nelsonborn&bred
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7:33pm Thu 1 Dec 11

RupertsReason says...

RIP Young Lady. It doesn't need discussing. Her family are hurting enough without trying to justify, blame or disect. So very sad.
RIP Young Lady. It doesn't need discussing. Her family are hurting enough without trying to justify, blame or disect. So very sad. RupertsReason
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7:49pm Thu 1 Dec 11

'Kean on getting out..! says...

RupertsReason wrote:
RIP Young Lady. It doesn't need discussing. Her family are hurting enough without trying to justify, blame or disect. So very sad.
R.I.P Our thoughts are with the ones she as left behind.
[quote][p][bold]RupertsReason[/bold] wrote: RIP Young Lady. It doesn't need discussing. Her family are hurting enough without trying to justify, blame or disect. So very sad.[/p][/quote]R.I.P Our thoughts are with the ones she as left behind. 'Kean on getting out..!
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8:27pm Thu 1 Dec 11

NUMBER5 says...

RIP young lady. So sad to read about another death this week. Thoughts go out to your family and friends xxx
RIP young lady. So sad to read about another death this week. Thoughts go out to your family and friends xxx NUMBER5
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9:57pm Thu 1 Dec 11

emmalou79 says...

this is so sad to hear. I feel so sad to hear of another young life been cut short this week. My thoughts go out to her family and her children. What this women went through to lose custody of her children, then to feel that she couldn't live without them is so heart wrenching to hear. being a mum myself my children also mean the world to me. Again my thoughts and prayers go out to her family. god bless x
this is so sad to hear. I feel so sad to hear of another young life been cut short this week. My thoughts go out to her family and her children. What this women went through to lose custody of her children[if this rumor is true], then to feel that she couldn't live without them is so heart wrenching to hear. being a mum myself my children also mean the world to me. Again my thoughts and prayers go out to her family. god bless x emmalou79
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1:36am Fri 2 Dec 11

joinerpat says...

Regardless of age-sex-creed or colour all people will face some mind boggling dilemma in life, be it of their own making or otherwise, there will always be someone ready to lay blame on something or someone.
That unfortunately is the nanny state and how it operates, I am sure all avenues of this tragic death will be investigated thoroughly by the authorities.
My sincere condolences to family and friends of this young lady. R.I.P.
Regardless of age-sex-creed or colour all people will face some mind boggling dilemma in life, be it of their own making or otherwise, there will always be someone ready to lay blame on something or someone. That unfortunately is the nanny state and how it operates, I am sure all avenues of this tragic death will be investigated thoroughly by the authorities. My sincere condolences to family and friends of this young lady. R.I.P. joinerpat
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1:55am Fri 2 Dec 11

joinerpat says...

macduke.

Ian

Please accept my condolances on your sad loss.

Be strong
macduke. Ian Please accept my condolances on your sad loss. Be strong joinerpat
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7:46am Fri 2 Dec 11

jimmypetter1 says...

most upsetting ro read what this young lady has done, people shouldnt make comments about her as she had so many problems and just try to feel how her family must feel ,
most upsetting ro read what this young lady has done, people shouldnt make comments about her as she had so many problems and just try to feel how her family must feel , jimmypetter1
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8:38am Fri 2 Dec 11

chammy says...

My deepest sympathy to this ladys family,RIP,
My deepest sympathy to this ladys family,RIP, chammy
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8:41am Fri 2 Dec 11

dintymc says...

IAN , my famlies condolences to your family,she must have been very unhappy. I was seperated from my children , not due to social services but the bad divorce with my husband and I had some very desperate times during that time so I know how low you can get. I am thankful life turned around for us.My son was on duty at the Mall yesterday when this happened, he and all his collegues have been very affected by this and I know my son hopes she rest's in peace now. Very sad. And to some of the other commenters Unfortunatly no matter how the area is designed,or cleared around the area it happened. This affects any witnesess from the innocent bystander returning to their car to the Customer leaison officers who tried to clear the areas and for people to video it was disgusting.RIP SHARON
IAN , my famlies condolences to your family,she must have been very unhappy. I was seperated from my children , not due to social services but the bad divorce with my husband and I had some very desperate times during that time so I know how low you can get. I am thankful life turned around for us.My son was on duty at the Mall yesterday when this happened, he and all his collegues have been very affected by this and I know my son hopes she rest's in peace now. Very sad. And to some of the other commenters Unfortunatly no matter how the area is designed,or cleared around the area it happened. This affects any witnesess from the innocent bystander returning to their car to the Customer leaison officers who tried to clear the areas and for people to video it was disgusting.RIP SHARON dintymc
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9:34am Fri 2 Dec 11

madari says...

Madari the snake charmer says:

My deepest condolences, R I P
Madari the snake charmer says: My deepest condolences, R I P madari
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9:40am Fri 2 Dec 11

jandi56 says...

Ian
so sorry for you n the family i have experienced suicide personnaly, different circumstances and after 11 years it is still very raw God bless you all ****
Ian so sorry for you n the family i have experienced suicide personnaly, different circumstances and after 11 years it is still very raw God bless you all **** jandi56
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9:50am Fri 2 Dec 11

mazer says...

RIP xxx
RIP xxx mazer
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10:58am Fri 2 Dec 11

manyarecalled says...

How many of these tragedies can be attributed to the lack of support and prospects now and in the future ?
it is hardly a ''nanny state'' problem.
many cases seem to be women throwing themselves from motorway bridges etc. is there a common link ?
How many of these tragedies can be attributed to the lack of support and prospects now and in the future ? it is hardly a ''nanny state'' problem. many cases seem to be women throwing themselves from motorway bridges etc. is there a common link ? manyarecalled
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11:21am Fri 2 Dec 11

Miss May says...

My thoughts and condolences are with the family at this very sad time xxx
My thoughts and condolences are with the family at this very sad time xxx Miss May
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2:36pm Fri 2 Dec 11

angeleyes25 says...

I think its morally wrong that people can be so rude to make heartless comments when a lady has died here.
regardless of opinions weather she should have had children or not, she did! and her family are feeling the pain right now. Also who's to say she couldn't look after herself?
because she did what she did?? Well maybe she just wanted the pain she was feeling to stop. some people dont know how to deal with hard situations in life
or simply feel they have nobody to turn to. I like many others dont know the full storey of why this lady came to feel like this and the unfortunate events that lead upto this,
but what ever wrongs and mistakes she made in her life i truly feel the regret and loss of her child/children proved to much for her to bear!
Anyone with compassion wouldn't make a comment about tax payers money! and that the police should have left her there
just goes to show what money does to some people!! RiP X my thoughts are with your family.
I think its morally wrong that people can be so rude to make heartless comments when a lady has died here. regardless of opinions weather she should have had children or not, she did! and her family are feeling the pain right now. Also who's to say she couldn't look after herself? because she did what she did?? Well maybe she just wanted the pain she was feeling to stop. some people dont know how to deal with hard situations in life or simply feel they have nobody to turn to. I like many others dont know the full storey of why this lady came to feel like this and the unfortunate events that lead upto this, but what ever wrongs and mistakes she made in her life i truly feel the regret and loss of her child/children proved to much for her to bear! Anyone with compassion wouldn't make a comment about tax payers money! and that the police should have left her there just goes to show what money does to some people!! RiP X my thoughts are with your family. angeleyes25
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3:08pm Fri 2 Dec 11

BurnleyBloke says...

How desperate do you have to be to do this - so sorry for the woman and her family.

What kind of world are we in that people see this tragedy as some sort of "entertainment" to be filmed and then passed round their mates or posted online?
How desperate do you have to be to do this - so sorry for the woman and her family. What kind of world are we in that people see this tragedy as some sort of "entertainment" to be filmed and then passed round their mates or posted online? BurnleyBloke
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3:41pm Fri 2 Dec 11

Road Runner Road Runner says...

Condolences to this poor woman & her family.

May she R.I.P
Condolences to this poor woman & her family. May she R.I.P Road Runner Road Runner
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4:54pm Fri 2 Dec 11

jack daniels says...

ossym wrote:
My deepest condolences to Ian and most of all to her daughter who must have a very tough time before all this. I hope she gets the right kind of support she deserves and has a wonderful life. By the right kind of support I dont mean the offical kind that SS et al would offer that churn out platitudes, tick boxes and generally make the right noises to protect their precious careers (but in practice often condemn the kids in their "care" to the kind of thing that her loving brother told us about (drink drugs sex perhaps expoiltation)). I dont think the reality is anything like Tracy Beaker if only it was. The only true support that girl needed (and her mother) was from the people who truly love her, that is the only care I would ever have any trust in, even if it was imperfect. Any child would rather live in squaller with its mum or dad rather than a palace run by 9-5 by "experts" . If some of the early comments are correct maybe this very disturbed lady (who wouldnt be after losing your child) did not truly intend to do this. It has been commented that she sat on the edge for some time, maybe she had been drinking etc and/or just got tired? If true why did the fire brigade etc not put something underneath?, this type of situation has happened before. Anyway once again my heart goes out to all concerned and wish the young girl gets back on the rails and has a good life for her mums sake. Many people will be rooting for you in heaven and earth!
Social services only exist because people find themselves in difficult or impossible situations. They don’t make people ill, old or mentally ill so keep your stupid, dumb a55ed comments to yourself.
[quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: My deepest condolences to Ian and most of all to her daughter who must have a very tough time before all this. I hope she gets the right kind of support she deserves and has a wonderful life. By the right kind of support I dont mean the offical kind that SS et al would offer that churn out platitudes, tick boxes and generally make the right noises to protect their precious careers (but in practice often condemn the kids in their "care" to the kind of thing that her loving brother told us about (drink drugs sex perhaps expoiltation)). I dont think the reality is anything like Tracy Beaker if only it was. The only true support that girl needed (and her mother) was from the people who truly love her, that is the only care I would ever have any trust in, even if it was imperfect. Any child would rather live in squaller with its mum or dad rather than a palace run by 9-5 by "experts" . If some of the early comments are correct maybe this very disturbed lady (who wouldnt be after losing your child) did not truly intend to do this. It has been commented that she sat on the edge for some time, maybe she had been drinking etc and/or just got tired? If true why did the fire brigade etc not put something underneath?, this type of situation has happened before. Anyway once again my heart goes out to all concerned and wish the young girl gets back on the rails and has a good life for her mums sake. Many people will be rooting for you in heaven and earth![/p][/quote]Social services only exist because people find themselves in difficult or impossible situations. They don’t make people ill, old or mentally ill so keep your stupid, dumb a55ed comments to yourself. jack daniels
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5:36pm Fri 2 Dec 11

sniper16 says...

No sympathy, people who take their own lives and risk the lives of other people or traumatise some poor child who has the misfortune to witness it make me sick.
No sympathy, people who take their own lives and risk the lives of other people or traumatise some poor child who has the misfortune to witness it make me sick. sniper16
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5:37pm Fri 2 Dec 11

sniper16 says...

No sympathy, people who take their own lives and risk the lives of other people or traumatise some poor child who has the misfortune to witness it make me sick.
No sympathy, people who take their own lives and risk the lives of other people or traumatise some poor child who has the misfortune to witness it make me sick. sniper16
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6:50pm Fri 2 Dec 11

rachyd says...

I think these comments are disgusting at a time when a "14" year old little girl is greiving and could look at this at any time. I lost my mum at 29 suddenly and it still haunts me now!!! Think of the effect u have on the child u sick ****!! My hat goes off to the services that are helping to deal with this, any child would rather live in squaler u dick think about the child reading this it will haunt her forever!!!!!
I think these comments are disgusting at a time when a "14" year old little girl is greiving and could look at this at any time. I lost my mum at 29 suddenly and it still haunts me now!!! Think of the effect u have on the child u sick ****!! My hat goes off to the services that are helping to deal with this, any child would rather live in squaler u dick think about the child reading this it will haunt her forever!!!!! rachyd
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6:52pm Fri 2 Dec 11

rachyd says...

I think these comments are disgusting at a time when a "14" year old little girl is greiving and could look at this at any time. I lost my mum at 29 suddenly and it still haunts me now!!! Think of the effect u have on the child u sick people! My hat goes off to the services that are helping to deal with this, any child would rather live in squaler u petson think about the child reading this it will haunt her forever!!!!!
I think these comments are disgusting at a time when a "14" year old little girl is greiving and could look at this at any time. I lost my mum at 29 suddenly and it still haunts me now!!! Think of the effect u have on the child u sick people! My hat goes off to the services that are helping to deal with this, any child would rather live in squaler u petson think about the child reading this it will haunt her forever!!!!! rachyd
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7:07pm Fri 2 Dec 11

monopoly says...

I can't believe how shallow minded some of the comments are on here.My thoughts are with her family xxx
I can't believe how shallow minded some of the comments are on here.My thoughts are with her family xxx monopoly
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7:24pm Fri 2 Dec 11

ossym says...

jack daniels wrote:
ossym wrote:
My deepest condolences to Ian and most of all to her daughter who must have a very tough time before all this. I hope she gets the right kind of support she deserves and has a wonderful life. By the right kind of support I dont mean the offical kind that SS et al would offer that churn out platitudes, tick boxes and generally make the right noises to protect their precious careers (but in practice often condemn the kids in their "care" to the kind of thing that her loving brother told us about (drink drugs sex perhaps expoiltation)). I dont think the reality is anything like Tracy Beaker if only it was. The only true support that girl needed (and her mother) was from the people who truly love her, that is the only care I would ever have any trust in, even if it was imperfect. Any child would rather live in squaller with its mum or dad rather than a palace run by 9-5 by "experts" . If some of the early comments are correct maybe this very disturbed lady (who wouldnt be after losing your child) did not truly intend to do this. It has been commented that she sat on the edge for some time, maybe she had been drinking etc and/or just got tired? If true why did the fire brigade etc not put something underneath?, this type of situation has happened before. Anyway once again my heart goes out to all concerned and wish the young girl gets back on the rails and has a good life for her mums sake. Many people will be rooting for you in heaven and earth!
Social services only exist because people find themselves in difficult or impossible situations. They don’t make people ill, old or mentally ill so keep your stupid, dumb a55ed comments to yourself.
The reason why they exist seems to have been lost in practice somewhere along the line.

I am sure there are exceptions to this, but the SS dont seem to have done very much for this family do they, quite the opposite in fact.

Maybe they now think they exist mainly for the benefit of the empire builders within it?

And if its alright with you I will comment and

maybe in this case they did make this poor lady ill and in an impossoble situation!
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: My deepest condolences to Ian and most of all to her daughter who must have a very tough time before all this. I hope she gets the right kind of support she deserves and has a wonderful life. By the right kind of support I dont mean the offical kind that SS et al would offer that churn out platitudes, tick boxes and generally make the right noises to protect their precious careers (but in practice often condemn the kids in their "care" to the kind of thing that her loving brother told us about (drink drugs sex perhaps expoiltation)). I dont think the reality is anything like Tracy Beaker if only it was. The only true support that girl needed (and her mother) was from the people who truly love her, that is the only care I would ever have any trust in, even if it was imperfect. Any child would rather live in squaller with its mum or dad rather than a palace run by 9-5 by "experts" . If some of the early comments are correct maybe this very disturbed lady (who wouldnt be after losing your child) did not truly intend to do this. It has been commented that she sat on the edge for some time, maybe she had been drinking etc and/or just got tired? If true why did the fire brigade etc not put something underneath?, this type of situation has happened before. Anyway once again my heart goes out to all concerned and wish the young girl gets back on the rails and has a good life for her mums sake. Many people will be rooting for you in heaven and earth![/p][/quote]Social services only exist because people find themselves in difficult or impossible situations. They don’t make people ill, old or mentally ill so keep your stupid, dumb a55ed comments to yourself.[/p][/quote]The reason why they exist seems to have been lost in practice somewhere along the line. I am sure there are exceptions to this, but the SS dont seem to have done very much for this family do they, quite the opposite in fact. Maybe they now think they exist mainly for the benefit of the empire builders within it? And if its alright with you I will comment and maybe in this case they did make this poor lady ill and in an impossoble situation! ossym
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7:59pm Fri 2 Dec 11

Your ferret stinks says...

Whilst this is a very tragic thing to has been allowed to happen in todays Health and Safety concious environment i can't help but wonder why there is not a device like a fire blanket that someone could roll out underneath a person who could fataly fall...simular to an airbag in a car!
Maybe one for dragons den!
Secondly there are people saying they are horrified at what they saw when the lady landed and how it will stay with them forever....i say.... then why where you stood there with your phone on video record, or in the street watching instead of going about your businness?
Whilst this is a very tragic thing to has been allowed to happen in todays Health and Safety concious environment i can't help but wonder why there is not a device like a fire blanket that someone could roll out underneath a person who could fataly fall...simular to an airbag in a car! Maybe one for dragons den! Secondly there are people saying they are horrified at what they saw when the lady landed and how it will stay with them forever....i say.... then why where you stood there with your phone on video record, or in the street watching instead of going about your businness? Your ferret stinks
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9:28pm Fri 2 Dec 11

Your ferret stinks says...

Whilst this is a very tragic thing to has been allowed to happen in todays Health and Safety concious environment i can't help but wonder why there is not a device like a fire blanket that someone could roll out underneath a person who could fataly fall...simular to an airbag in a car!
Maybe one for dragons den!
Secondly there are people saying they are horrified at what they saw when the lady landed and how it will stay with them forever....i say.... then why where you stood there with your phone on video record, or in the street watching instead of going about your businness?
Whilst this is a very tragic thing to has been allowed to happen in todays Health and Safety concious environment i can't help but wonder why there is not a device like a fire blanket that someone could roll out underneath a person who could fataly fall...simular to an airbag in a car! Maybe one for dragons den! Secondly there are people saying they are horrified at what they saw when the lady landed and how it will stay with them forever....i say.... then why where you stood there with your phone on video record, or in the street watching instead of going about your businness? Your ferret stinks
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9:50pm Fri 2 Dec 11

**Tinkerbelle** says...

sniper16 wrote:
No sympathy, people who take their own lives and risk the lives of other people or traumatise some poor child who has the misfortune to witness it make me sick.
Sniper16 - Your comment was highly insensitive.

I hope you are never unfortunate enough to experience the depths and dispair of depression. Focus your energy on polishing your rose tinted spectacles, and not sharing narrow minded opinions on here.

Sending my sincere condolences to the ladies family and friends RIP x
[quote][p][bold]sniper16[/bold] wrote: No sympathy, people who take their own lives and risk the lives of other people or traumatise some poor child who has the misfortune to witness it make me sick.[/p][/quote]Sniper16 - Your comment was highly insensitive. I hope you are never unfortunate enough to experience the depths and dispair of depression. Focus your energy on polishing your rose tinted spectacles, and not sharing narrow minded opinions on here. Sending my sincere condolences to the ladies family and friends RIP x **Tinkerbelle**
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9:50pm Fri 2 Dec 11

**Tinkerbelle** says...

sniper16 wrote:
No sympathy, people who take their own lives and risk the lives of other people or traumatise some poor child who has the misfortune to witness it make me sick.
Sniper16 - Your comment was highly insensitive.

I hope you are never unfortunate enough to experience the depths and dispair of depression. Focus your energy on polishing your rose tinted spectacles, and not sharing narrow minded opinions on here.

Sending my sincere condolences to the ladies family and friends RIP x
[quote][p][bold]sniper16[/bold] wrote: No sympathy, people who take their own lives and risk the lives of other people or traumatise some poor child who has the misfortune to witness it make me sick.[/p][/quote]Sniper16 - Your comment was highly insensitive. I hope you are never unfortunate enough to experience the depths and dispair of depression. Focus your energy on polishing your rose tinted spectacles, and not sharing narrow minded opinions on here. Sending my sincere condolences to the ladies family and friends RIP x **Tinkerbelle**
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10:27pm Fri 2 Dec 11

Sarayates1 says...

R.I.P unbelievably sad and thoughts are with your family and friends - hope your in a better place now xxx
R.I.P unbelievably sad and thoughts are with your family and friends - hope your in a better place now xxx Sarayates1
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10:30pm Fri 2 Dec 11

ossym says...

rachyd wrote:
I think these comments are disgusting at a time when a "14" year old little girl is greiving and could look at this at any time. I lost my mum at 29 suddenly and it still haunts me now!!! Think of the effect u have on the child u sick ****!! My hat goes off to the services that are helping to deal with this, any child would rather live in squaler u dick think about the child reading this it will haunt her forever!!!!!
I wasnt referring to this particular lady/child, it was just a general comment about what is most important to a child-parental love.
[quote][p][bold]rachyd[/bold] wrote: I think these comments are disgusting at a time when a "14" year old little girl is greiving and could look at this at any time. I lost my mum at 29 suddenly and it still haunts me now!!! Think of the effect u have on the child u sick ****!! My hat goes off to the services that are helping to deal with this, any child would rather live in squaler u dick think about the child reading this it will haunt her forever!!!!![/p][/quote]I wasnt referring to this particular lady/child, it was just a general comment about what is most important to a child-parental love. ossym
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3:08am Sat 3 Dec 11

MxMave says...

This may seem like a silly question but I always wonder....

Why did nobody try to catch her?

If there were tons of people around and police officers surely someone coulda cushioned her fall.
This may seem like a silly question but I always wonder.... Why did nobody try to catch her? If there were tons of people around and police officers surely someone coulda cushioned her fall. MxMave
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3:09am Sat 3 Dec 11

MxMave says...

STEVE KEAN!!! Thats who could have cushioned her fall...... sorry... inappropriate... wrong thread..... D.K.O
STEVE KEAN!!! Thats who could have cushioned her fall...... sorry... inappropriate... wrong thread..... D.K.O MxMave
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8:41am Sat 3 Dec 11

jack daniels says...

ossym wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
ossym wrote:
My deepest condolences to Ian and most of all to her daughter who must have a very tough time before all this. I hope she gets the right kind of support she deserves and has a wonderful life. By the right kind of support I dont mean the offical kind that SS et al would offer that churn out platitudes, tick boxes and generally make the right noises to protect their precious careers (but in practice often condemn the kids in their "care" to the kind of thing that her loving brother told us about (drink drugs sex perhaps expoiltation)). I dont think the reality is anything like Tracy Beaker if only it was. The only true support that girl needed (and her mother) was from the people who truly love her, that is the only care I would ever have any trust in, even if it was imperfect. Any child would rather live in squaller with its mum or dad rather than a palace run by 9-5 by "experts" . If some of the early comments are correct maybe this very disturbed lady (who wouldnt be after losing your child) did not truly intend to do this. It has been commented that she sat on the edge for some time, maybe she had been drinking etc and/or just got tired? If true why did the fire brigade etc not put something underneath?, this type of situation has happened before. Anyway once again my heart goes out to all concerned and wish the young girl gets back on the rails and has a good life for her mums sake. Many people will be rooting for you in heaven and earth!
Social services only exist because people find themselves in difficult or impossible situations. They don’t make people ill, old or mentally ill so keep your stupid, dumb a55ed comments to yourself.
The reason why they exist seems to have been lost in practice somewhere along the line.

I am sure there are exceptions to this, but the SS dont seem to have done very much for this family do they, quite the opposite in fact.

Maybe they now think they exist mainly for the benefit of the empire builders within it?

And if its alright with you I will comment and

maybe in this case they did make this poor lady ill and in an impossoble situation!
The fact that your comment is littered with ‘seems to have’ and a few ‘maybes’, strongly suggests that this is something based solely on your opinion. While I am in support of free speech, I find that this freedom should not include the right for people to label others and question their professionalism without including any evidence to back this up. All you have done is demonise a difficult but committed team of professionals in a feeble attempt at you wishing to associate yourself with this terrible event.

There is nothing wrong with the policies and procedures, set up by Blackburn with Darwen Council, to cover the Community Act, Children Act and Mental Health Act. The problem is that there is not enough funding provided by central government for all the services we need. If you wish to join in with the ‘blame game’, then blame the previous and present governments for setting the cost of a human life so low.

Apologies to anybody that finds this offensive but I just grow tired of the wrong people being blamed.
[quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: My deepest condolences to Ian and most of all to her daughter who must have a very tough time before all this. I hope she gets the right kind of support she deserves and has a wonderful life. By the right kind of support I dont mean the offical kind that SS et al would offer that churn out platitudes, tick boxes and generally make the right noises to protect their precious careers (but in practice often condemn the kids in their "care" to the kind of thing that her loving brother told us about (drink drugs sex perhaps expoiltation)). I dont think the reality is anything like Tracy Beaker if only it was. The only true support that girl needed (and her mother) was from the people who truly love her, that is the only care I would ever have any trust in, even if it was imperfect. Any child would rather live in squaller with its mum or dad rather than a palace run by 9-5 by "experts" . If some of the early comments are correct maybe this very disturbed lady (who wouldnt be after losing your child) did not truly intend to do this. It has been commented that she sat on the edge for some time, maybe she had been drinking etc and/or just got tired? If true why did the fire brigade etc not put something underneath?, this type of situation has happened before. Anyway once again my heart goes out to all concerned and wish the young girl gets back on the rails and has a good life for her mums sake. Many people will be rooting for you in heaven and earth![/p][/quote]Social services only exist because people find themselves in difficult or impossible situations. They don’t make people ill, old or mentally ill so keep your stupid, dumb a55ed comments to yourself.[/p][/quote]The reason why they exist seems to have been lost in practice somewhere along the line. I am sure there are exceptions to this, but the SS dont seem to have done very much for this family do they, quite the opposite in fact. Maybe they now think they exist mainly for the benefit of the empire builders within it? And if its alright with you I will comment and maybe in this case they did make this poor lady ill and in an impossoble situation![/p][/quote]The fact that your comment is littered with ‘seems to have’ and a few ‘maybes’, strongly suggests that this is something based solely on your opinion. While I am in support of free speech, I find that this freedom should not include the right for people to label others and question their professionalism without including any evidence to back this up. All you have done is demonise a difficult but committed team of professionals in a feeble attempt at you wishing to associate yourself with this terrible event. There is nothing wrong with the policies and procedures, set up by Blackburn with Darwen Council, to cover the Community Act, Children Act and Mental Health Act. The problem is that there is not enough funding provided by central government for all the services we need. If you wish to join in with the ‘blame game’, then blame the previous and present governments for setting the cost of a human life so low. Apologies to anybody that finds this offensive but I just grow tired of the wrong people being blamed. jack daniels
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5:49pm Sat 3 Dec 11

ossym says...

jack daniels wrote:
ossym wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
ossym wrote:
My deepest condolences to Ian and most of all to her daughter who must have a very tough time before all this. I hope she gets the right kind of support she deserves and has a wonderful life. By the right kind of support I dont mean the offical kind that SS et al would offer that churn out platitudes, tick boxes and generally make the right noises to protect their precious careers (but in practice often condemn the kids in their "care" to the kind of thing that her loving brother told us about (drink drugs sex perhaps expoiltation)). I dont think the reality is anything like Tracy Beaker if only it was. The only true support that girl needed (and her mother) was from the people who truly love her, that is the only care I would ever have any trust in, even if it was imperfect. Any child would rather live in squaller with its mum or dad rather than a palace run by 9-5 by "experts" . If some of the early comments are correct maybe this very disturbed lady (who wouldnt be after losing your child) did not truly intend to do this. It has been commented that she sat on the edge for some time, maybe she had been drinking etc and/or just got tired? If true why did the fire brigade etc not put something underneath?, this type of situation has happened before. Anyway once again my heart goes out to all concerned and wish the young girl gets back on the rails and has a good life for her mums sake. Many people will be rooting for you in heaven and earth!
Social services only exist because people find themselves in difficult or impossible situations. They don’t make people ill, old or mentally ill so keep your stupid, dumb a55ed comments to yourself.
The reason why they exist seems to have been lost in practice somewhere along the line.

I am sure there are exceptions to this, but the SS dont seem to have done very much for this family do they, quite the opposite in fact.

Maybe they now think they exist mainly for the benefit of the empire builders within it?

And if its alright with you I will comment and

maybe in this case they did make this poor lady ill and in an impossoble situation!
The fact that your comment is littered with ‘seems to have’ and a few ‘maybes’, strongly suggests that this is something based solely on your opinion. While I am in support of free speech, I find that this freedom should not include the right for people to label others and question their professionalism without including any evidence to back this up. All you have done is demonise a difficult but committed team of professionals in a feeble attempt at you wishing to associate yourself with this terrible event.

There is nothing wrong with the policies and procedures, set up by Blackburn with Darwen Council, to cover the Community Act, Children Act and Mental Health Act. The problem is that there is not enough funding provided by central government for all the services we need. If you wish to join in with the ‘blame game’, then blame the previous and present governments for setting the cost of a human life so low.

Apologies to anybody that finds this offensive but I just grow tired of the wrong people being blamed.
It must be great to be so sure of everything JD.

You are SURE that everything is perfect with BwD procedures.

Are you SURE they have HELPED this family because I am not.

It seems pretty obvious that this family has suffered greatly as a result of these interventions. The situation before may not have been perfect but what is.

And you seem so SURE of my motives for commenting on this, of that I CAN be VERY SURE you are TOTALLY WRONG with your dumb a55 comments.

If the procedures are so under funded then why vigoursly persue something that you admit you cannot fulfill, leaving a trail of carnage behind you.


I presume you are talking from experience to be so SURE.

I am not sure but it seems quite likely from this highly distressed ladies actions they were the direct result of the court procedings that day.
I am SURE all involved can congratulate themselves for following the procedures so perfectly.


The most important thing right now is respect for this greiving family who have suffered so much, rather than you defending your BwD et al buddies.

They never get it wrong do they.

Anyone who is so SURE is surely wrong.

Does anyone remember this?

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/femail/articl
e-565183/How-social-
workers-took-away-ch
ildren-11-months-shr
ed-evidence.html
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: My deepest condolences to Ian and most of all to her daughter who must have a very tough time before all this. I hope she gets the right kind of support she deserves and has a wonderful life. By the right kind of support I dont mean the offical kind that SS et al would offer that churn out platitudes, tick boxes and generally make the right noises to protect their precious careers (but in practice often condemn the kids in their "care" to the kind of thing that her loving brother told us about (drink drugs sex perhaps expoiltation)). I dont think the reality is anything like Tracy Beaker if only it was. The only true support that girl needed (and her mother) was from the people who truly love her, that is the only care I would ever have any trust in, even if it was imperfect. Any child would rather live in squaller with its mum or dad rather than a palace run by 9-5 by "experts" . If some of the early comments are correct maybe this very disturbed lady (who wouldnt be after losing your child) did not truly intend to do this. It has been commented that she sat on the edge for some time, maybe she had been drinking etc and/or just got tired? If true why did the fire brigade etc not put something underneath?, this type of situation has happened before. Anyway once again my heart goes out to all concerned and wish the young girl gets back on the rails and has a good life for her mums sake. Many people will be rooting for you in heaven and earth![/p][/quote]Social services only exist because people find themselves in difficult or impossible situations. They don’t make people ill, old or mentally ill so keep your stupid, dumb a55ed comments to yourself.[/p][/quote]The reason why they exist seems to have been lost in practice somewhere along the line. I am sure there are exceptions to this, but the SS dont seem to have done very much for this family do they, quite the opposite in fact. Maybe they now think they exist mainly for the benefit of the empire builders within it? And if its alright with you I will comment and maybe in this case they did make this poor lady ill and in an impossoble situation![/p][/quote]The fact that your comment is littered with ‘seems to have’ and a few ‘maybes’, strongly suggests that this is something based solely on your opinion. While I am in support of free speech, I find that this freedom should not include the right for people to label others and question their professionalism without including any evidence to back this up. All you have done is demonise a difficult but committed team of professionals in a feeble attempt at you wishing to associate yourself with this terrible event. There is nothing wrong with the policies and procedures, set up by Blackburn with Darwen Council, to cover the Community Act, Children Act and Mental Health Act. The problem is that there is not enough funding provided by central government for all the services we need. If you wish to join in with the ‘blame game’, then blame the previous and present governments for setting the cost of a human life so low. Apologies to anybody that finds this offensive but I just grow tired of the wrong people being blamed.[/p][/quote]It must be great to be so sure of everything JD. You are SURE that everything is perfect with BwD procedures. Are you SURE they have HELPED this family because I am not. It seems pretty obvious that this family has suffered greatly as a result of these interventions. The situation before may not have been perfect but what is. And you seem so SURE of my motives for commenting on this, of that I CAN be VERY SURE you are TOTALLY WRONG with your dumb a55 comments. If the procedures are so under funded then why vigoursly persue something that you admit you cannot fulfill, leaving a trail of carnage behind you. I presume you are talking from experience to be so SURE. I am not sure but it seems quite likely from this highly distressed ladies actions they were the direct result of the court procedings that day. I am SURE all involved can congratulate themselves for following the procedures so perfectly. The most important thing right now is respect for this greiving family who have suffered so much, rather than you defending your BwD et al buddies. They never get it wrong do they. Anyone who is so SURE is surely wrong. Does anyone remember this? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/femail/articl e-565183/How-social- workers-took-away-ch ildren-11-months-shr ed-evidence.html ossym
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6:47pm Sat 3 Dec 11

jack daniels says...

@ossym

I might not know everything, but I do know that she was being supported by Lancashire County Council, so BwD have feck all to do with this case.

Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where? Obviously it’s the weekend so I’ll assume you’ll get back to me sometime on Monday; unless of course you have a copy of these at home…

‘’it seems pretty obvious…..’’.

Does it?
Not to me it doesn’t.
Have you seen the notes recorded by ALL the staff involved with this family which you have drawn you conclusions from?

Shall I guess that’s a NO then?

Have you the training and experience to be able to justify this biased opinion you have towards these care professionals? Could you please list your qualifications?

Shall I guess that’s NONE then?

Don’t forget: social services got involved because the family dynamics broke down, not the other way around.

Maybe you should show some respect to the family instead of trying to justify your incredibly flawed and childish statement which I repeatedly pick apart without even trying.

What is important is that we have no idea what has happened and you are basing this on hearsay and a report from the LT. The final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker, so you are even wrong about this too.

What you really need to think about before you start finger typing your next reply is that social work is not a exact science, it is an educated conclusion based on OBSERVATION and ASSESSMENT. There is always a room for error, no matter how small.

What you never hear about, and what ungrateful trolls like you never appreciate, is when social services actually get it right.

You never know… this still could have been one of those times.
@ossym I might not know everything, but I do know that she was being supported by Lancashire County Council, so BwD have feck all to do with this case. Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where? Obviously it’s the weekend so I’ll assume you’ll get back to me sometime on Monday; unless of course you have a copy of these at home… ‘’it seems pretty obvious…..’’. Does it? Not to me it doesn’t. Have you seen the notes recorded by ALL the staff involved with this family which you have drawn you conclusions from? Shall I guess that’s a NO then? Have you the training and experience to be able to justify this biased opinion you have towards these care professionals? Could you please list your qualifications? Shall I guess that’s NONE then? Don’t forget: social services got involved because the family dynamics broke down, not the other way around. Maybe you should show some respect to the family instead of trying to justify your incredibly flawed and childish statement which I repeatedly pick apart without even trying. What is important is that we have no idea what has happened and you are basing this on hearsay and a report from the LT. The final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker, so you are even wrong about this too. What you really need to think about before you start finger typing your next reply is that social work is not a exact science, it is an educated conclusion based on OBSERVATION and ASSESSMENT. There is always a room for error, no matter how small. What you never hear about, and what ungrateful trolls like you never appreciate, is when social services actually get it right. You never know… this still could have been one of those times. jack daniels
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7:39pm Sat 3 Dec 11

Lancistan says...

The moral of the story is-

If you feel little depressed, don`t go shopping in Blackburn.
The moral of the story is- If you feel little depressed, don`t go shopping in Blackburn. Lancistan
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8:43pm Sat 3 Dec 11

ossym says...

jack daniels wrote:
@ossym

I might not know everything, but I do know that she was being supported by Lancashire County Council, so BwD have feck all to do with this case.

Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where? Obviously it’s the weekend so I’ll assume you’ll get back to me sometime on Monday; unless of course you have a copy of these at home…

‘’it seems pretty obvious…..’’.

Does it?
Not to me it doesn’t.
Have you seen the notes recorded by ALL the staff involved with this family which you have drawn you conclusions from?

Shall I guess that’s a NO then?

Have you the training and experience to be able to justify this biased opinion you have towards these care professionals? Could you please list your qualifications?

Shall I guess that’s NONE then?

Don’t forget: social services got involved because the family dynamics broke down, not the other way around.

Maybe you should show some respect to the family instead of trying to justify your incredibly flawed and childish statement which I repeatedly pick apart without even trying.

What is important is that we have no idea what has happened and you are basing this on hearsay and a report from the LT. The final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker, so you are even wrong about this too.

What you really need to think about before you start finger typing your next reply is that social work is not a exact science, it is an educated conclusion based on OBSERVATION and ASSESSMENT. There is always a room for error, no matter how small.

What you never hear about, and what ungrateful trolls like you never appreciate, is when social services actually get it right.

You never know… this still could have been one of those times.
It sounds to me like your main concern is the reputation of the SS rather than the grieving family concerned.

If “experts” cant stand their authority to be questioned after such dramatic and tragic events then the system is in a sorry state.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: @ossym I might not know everything, but I do know that she was being supported by Lancashire County Council, so BwD have feck all to do with this case. Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where? Obviously it’s the weekend so I’ll assume you’ll get back to me sometime on Monday; unless of course you have a copy of these at home… ‘’it seems pretty obvious…..’’. Does it? Not to me it doesn’t. Have you seen the notes recorded by ALL the staff involved with this family which you have drawn you conclusions from? Shall I guess that’s a NO then? Have you the training and experience to be able to justify this biased opinion you have towards these care professionals? Could you please list your qualifications? Shall I guess that’s NONE then? Don’t forget: social services got involved because the family dynamics broke down, not the other way around. Maybe you should show some respect to the family instead of trying to justify your incredibly flawed and childish statement which I repeatedly pick apart without even trying. What is important is that we have no idea what has happened and you are basing this on hearsay and a report from the LT. The final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker, so you are even wrong about this too. What you really need to think about before you start finger typing your next reply is that social work is not a exact science, it is an educated conclusion based on OBSERVATION and ASSESSMENT. There is always a room for error, no matter how small. What you never hear about, and what ungrateful trolls like you never appreciate, is when social services actually get it right. You never know… this still could have been one of those times.[/p][/quote]It sounds to me like your main concern is the reputation of the SS rather than the grieving family concerned. If “experts” cant stand their authority to be questioned after such dramatic and tragic events then the system is in a sorry state. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. ossym
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2:17pm Sun 4 Dec 11

jack daniels says...

ossym wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
@ossym

I might not know everything, but I do know that she was being supported by Lancashire County Council, so BwD have feck all to do with this case.

Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where? Obviously it’s the weekend so I’ll assume you’ll get back to me sometime on Monday; unless of course you have a copy of these at home…

‘’it seems pretty obvious…..’’.

Does it?
Not to me it doesn’t.
Have you seen the notes recorded by ALL the staff involved with this family which you have drawn you conclusions from?

Shall I guess that’s a NO then?

Have you the training and experience to be able to justify this biased opinion you have towards these care professionals? Could you please list your qualifications?

Shall I guess that’s NONE then?

Don’t forget: social services got involved because the family dynamics broke down, not the other way around.

Maybe you should show some respect to the family instead of trying to justify your incredibly flawed and childish statement which I repeatedly pick apart without even trying.

What is important is that we have no idea what has happened and you are basing this on hearsay and a report from the LT. The final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker, so you are even wrong about this too.

What you really need to think about before you start finger typing your next reply is that social work is not a exact science, it is an educated conclusion based on OBSERVATION and ASSESSMENT. There is always a room for error, no matter how small.

What you never hear about, and what ungrateful trolls like you never appreciate, is when social services actually get it right.

You never know… this still could have been one of those times.
It sounds to me like your main concern is the reputation of the SS rather than the grieving family concerned.

If “experts” cant stand their authority to be questioned after such dramatic and tragic events then the system is in a sorry state.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
My main concern is making you look foolish by systematically picking apart your flawed comments you have made about Social Services and the fact you really have provided no evidence at all that justifies your made-up drivel.

It is clear however, that you have no idea what social services actually do, nor the immense legal protocols that govern every action which is taken in a person’s best interest. More importantly, if a person is deemed to have capacity, there is very little that Social Services can actually do unless a detailed and compressive risk assessment shows that a person is at risk of being harmed. Again, we do not know all the details of this terrible event but the fact that it has gone to court, suggests something had to be done.


These ‘experts’ will expect their authority to be questioned. Any unfortunate event such as this will result in a serious case review and I am sure the outcome will be published when the time is right. (No, there won’t be a cover up and I think any suggestion of this would be slanderous.)

Again your limit knowledge in this area is starting to show you up.

What nobody needs now are keyboard trolls, such as you, writing fairytales about who is to blame.

They say an empty can rattles the most….
[quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: @ossym I might not know everything, but I do know that she was being supported by Lancashire County Council, so BwD have feck all to do with this case. Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where? Obviously it’s the weekend so I’ll assume you’ll get back to me sometime on Monday; unless of course you have a copy of these at home… ‘’it seems pretty obvious…..’’. Does it? Not to me it doesn’t. Have you seen the notes recorded by ALL the staff involved with this family which you have drawn you conclusions from? Shall I guess that’s a NO then? Have you the training and experience to be able to justify this biased opinion you have towards these care professionals? Could you please list your qualifications? Shall I guess that’s NONE then? Don’t forget: social services got involved because the family dynamics broke down, not the other way around. Maybe you should show some respect to the family instead of trying to justify your incredibly flawed and childish statement which I repeatedly pick apart without even trying. What is important is that we have no idea what has happened and you are basing this on hearsay and a report from the LT. The final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker, so you are even wrong about this too. What you really need to think about before you start finger typing your next reply is that social work is not a exact science, it is an educated conclusion based on OBSERVATION and ASSESSMENT. There is always a room for error, no matter how small. What you never hear about, and what ungrateful trolls like you never appreciate, is when social services actually get it right. You never know… this still could have been one of those times.[/p][/quote]It sounds to me like your main concern is the reputation of the SS rather than the grieving family concerned. If “experts” cant stand their authority to be questioned after such dramatic and tragic events then the system is in a sorry state. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.[/p][/quote]My main concern is making you look foolish by systematically picking apart your flawed comments you have made about Social Services and the fact you really have provided no evidence at all that justifies your made-up drivel. It is clear however, that you have no idea what social services actually do, nor the immense legal protocols that govern every action which is taken in a person’s best interest. More importantly, if a person is deemed to have capacity, there is very little that Social Services can actually do unless a detailed and compressive risk assessment shows that a person is at risk of being harmed. Again, we do not know all the details of this terrible event but the fact that it has gone to court, suggests something had to be done. These ‘experts’ will expect their authority to be questioned. Any unfortunate event such as this will result in a serious case review and I am sure the outcome will be published when the time is right. (No, there won’t be a cover up and I think any suggestion of this would be slanderous.) Again your limit knowledge in this area is starting to show you up. What nobody needs now are keyboard trolls, such as you, writing fairytales about who is to blame. They say an empty can rattles the most…. jack daniels
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4:15pm Sun 4 Dec 11

macduke says...

Hello to all and once again thanks for all the possitive remarks , etc.I am this lady's brother.Whilst my first post has been removed , I stand by all that I stated and whilst the comments were said within a few hours of my younger sister Sharon death , I would like to clarify that I personally dont blame Social Services (s s), it has been a culmination of events as unfortunately there is not the support out there for people with mental health issues, It is all ifs and buts as Sharon had issues for years and ubfortunately with places like The Avondale Centre at Preston closing there is less facilities to access in our area .Sharon was diagnosed with several mental issues ,but for the main She could be the nicest person you could meet , or sometimed She was so dark and hard work.Whilst I understand why Her daughter was put back into care it has been S S inability to provide the required level of support on a mental basis to my Niece , as due to Her own instability ,etc, placements in foster care broke down, and ultimately my Niece has ended up in a childrens home , which is where my issues are with S S , as these homes in a lot of situations are not ideal. My thoughts go to the Police and Ambulance service and anyone else in a proffessional capacity who tried to reason with Sharon and then help after wards,and any witnesses,I know in my heart that nobody could have prevented Sharons death, and no that no person is responsible but each and every one of us could have done more for Her,especially Her family .Goodnight and may you be at peace with Mum xx
Sharon may not be a legend like Gary Speed (RIP Gary) but to us She is and always will be a special person .
Hello to all and once again thanks for all the possitive remarks , etc.I am this lady's brother.Whilst my first post has been removed , I stand by all that I stated and whilst the comments were said within a few hours of my younger sister Sharon death , I would like to clarify that I personally dont blame Social Services (s s), it has been a culmination of events as unfortunately there is not the support out there for people with mental health issues, It is all ifs and buts as Sharon had issues for years and ubfortunately with places like The Avondale Centre at Preston closing there is less facilities to access in our area .Sharon was diagnosed with several mental issues ,but for the main She could be the nicest person you could meet , or sometimed She was so dark and hard work.Whilst I understand why Her daughter was put back into care it has been S S inability to provide the required level of support on a mental basis to my Niece , as due to Her own instability ,etc, placements in foster care broke down, and ultimately my Niece has ended up in a childrens home , which is where my issues are with S S , as these homes in a lot of situations are not ideal. My thoughts go to the Police and Ambulance service and anyone else in a proffessional capacity who tried to reason with Sharon and then help after wards,and any witnesses,I know in my heart that nobody could have prevented Sharons death, and no that no person is responsible but each and every one of us could have done more for Her,especially Her family .Goodnight and may you be at peace with Mum xx Sharon may not be a legend like Gary Speed (RIP Gary) but to us She is and always will be a special person . macduke
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4:15pm Sun 4 Dec 11

macduke says...

Hello to all and once again thanks for all the possitive remarks , etc.I am this lady's brother.Whilst my first post has been removed , I stand by all that I stated and whilst the comments were said within a few hours of my younger sister Sharon death , I would like to clarify that I personally dont blame Social Services (s s), it has been a culmination of events as unfortunately there is not the support out there for people with mental health issues, It is all ifs and buts as Sharon had issues for years and ubfortunately with places like The Avondale Centre at Preston closing there is less facilities to access in our area .Sharon was diagnosed with several mental issues ,but for the main She could be the nicest person you could meet , or sometimed She was so dark and hard work.Whilst I understand why Her daughter was put back into care it has been S S inability to provide the required level of support on a mental basis to my Niece , as due to Her own instability ,etc, placements in foster care broke down, and ultimately my Niece has ended up in a childrens home , which is where my issues are with S S , as these homes in a lot of situations are not ideal. My thoughts go to the Police and Ambulance service and anyone else in a proffessional capacity who tried to reason with Sharon and then help after wards,and any witnesses,I know in my heart that nobody could have prevented Sharons death, and no that no person is responsible but each and every one of us could have done more for Her,especially Her family .Goodnight and may you be at peace with Mum xx
Sharon may not be a legend like Gary Speed (RIP Gary) but to us She is and always will be a special person .
Hello to all and once again thanks for all the possitive remarks , etc.I am this lady's brother.Whilst my first post has been removed , I stand by all that I stated and whilst the comments were said within a few hours of my younger sister Sharon death , I would like to clarify that I personally dont blame Social Services (s s), it has been a culmination of events as unfortunately there is not the support out there for people with mental health issues, It is all ifs and buts as Sharon had issues for years and ubfortunately with places like The Avondale Centre at Preston closing there is less facilities to access in our area .Sharon was diagnosed with several mental issues ,but for the main She could be the nicest person you could meet , or sometimed She was so dark and hard work.Whilst I understand why Her daughter was put back into care it has been S S inability to provide the required level of support on a mental basis to my Niece , as due to Her own instability ,etc, placements in foster care broke down, and ultimately my Niece has ended up in a childrens home , which is where my issues are with S S , as these homes in a lot of situations are not ideal. My thoughts go to the Police and Ambulance service and anyone else in a proffessional capacity who tried to reason with Sharon and then help after wards,and any witnesses,I know in my heart that nobody could have prevented Sharons death, and no that no person is responsible but each and every one of us could have done more for Her,especially Her family .Goodnight and may you be at peace with Mum xx Sharon may not be a legend like Gary Speed (RIP Gary) but to us She is and always will be a special person . macduke
  • Score: 1

5:16pm Sun 4 Dec 11

floydbrfc says...

MxMave wrote:
This may seem like a silly question but I always wonder....

Why did nobody try to catch her?

If there were tons of people around and police officers surely someone coulda cushioned her fall.
your right it is a silly question .
[quote][p][bold]MxMave[/bold] wrote: This may seem like a silly question but I always wonder.... Why did nobody try to catch her? If there were tons of people around and police officers surely someone coulda cushioned her fall.[/p][/quote]your right it is a silly question . floydbrfc
  • Score: 0

5:58pm Sun 4 Dec 11

natasham says...

Rest in Peace you are with the angels now, look down on your daughter.xx

- As for social services, i did disagree with these's people in so many ways they only bother with people that dont need there help that much, when theres children out there getting battered etc, i cant even imagine what the women felt on her court day because i know it hurts alot when you have profesionals involed but being told you cannot have your child back, it must of been distraught for her.
It is very stupid how the goverment work and how our society has turned out to be and it really does show what they can drive you to, they didnt do anything of the sort with alot of the sistuations in the newspaper with children beeing hurt or even killed, it really is discusting how they work.
To them its only a career but to everyone else it there lives that they are ruining, You social services are the ones that are going to have to sleep and live with that little girl having no mother because of your actions!!
Rest in Peace you are with the angels now, look down on your daughter.xx - As for social services, i did disagree with these's people in so many ways they only bother with people that dont need there help that much, when theres children out there getting battered etc, i cant even imagine what the women felt on her court day because i know it hurts alot when you have profesionals involed but being told you cannot have your child back, it must of been distraught for her. It is very stupid how the goverment work and how our society has turned out to be and it really does show what they can drive you to, they didnt do anything of the sort with alot of the sistuations in the newspaper with children beeing hurt or even killed, it really is discusting how they work. To them its only a career but to everyone else it there lives that they are ruining, You social services are the ones that are going to have to sleep and live with that little girl having no mother because of your actions!! natasham
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10:26pm Sun 4 Dec 11

ossym says...

jack daniels wrote:
ossym wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
@ossym

I might not know everything, but I do know that she was being supported by Lancashire County Council, so BwD have feck all to do with this case.

Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where? Obviously it’s the weekend so I’ll assume you’ll get back to me sometime on Monday; unless of course you have a copy of these at home…

‘’it seems pretty obvious…..’’.

Does it?
Not to me it doesn’t.
Have you seen the notes recorded by ALL the staff involved with this family which you have drawn you conclusions from?

Shall I guess that’s a NO then?

Have you the training and experience to be able to justify this biased opinion you have towards these care professionals? Could you please list your qualifications?

Shall I guess that’s NONE then?

Don’t forget: social services got involved because the family dynamics broke down, not the other way around.

Maybe you should show some respect to the family instead of trying to justify your incredibly flawed and childish statement which I repeatedly pick apart without even trying.

What is important is that we have no idea what has happened and you are basing this on hearsay and a report from the LT. The final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker, so you are even wrong about this too.

What you really need to think about before you start finger typing your next reply is that social work is not a exact science, it is an educated conclusion based on OBSERVATION and ASSESSMENT. There is always a room for error, no matter how small.

What you never hear about, and what ungrateful trolls like you never appreciate, is when social services actually get it right.

You never know… this still could have been one of those times.
It sounds to me like your main concern is the reputation of the SS rather than the grieving family concerned.

If “experts” cant stand their authority to be questioned after such dramatic and tragic events then the system is in a sorry state.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
My main concern is making you look foolish by systematically picking apart your flawed comments you have made about Social Services and the fact you really have provided no evidence at all that justifies your made-up drivel.

It is clear however, that you have no idea what social services actually do, nor the immense legal protocols that govern every action which is taken in a person’s best interest. More importantly, if a person is deemed to have capacity, there is very little that Social Services can actually do unless a detailed and compressive risk assessment shows that a person is at risk of being harmed. Again, we do not know all the details of this terrible event but the fact that it has gone to court, suggests something had to be done.


These ‘experts’ will expect their authority to be questioned. Any unfortunate event such as this will result in a serious case review and I am sure the outcome will be published when the time is right. (No, there won’t be a cover up and I think any suggestion of this would be slanderous.)

Again your limit knowledge in this area is starting to show you up.

What nobody needs now are keyboard trolls, such as you, writing fairytales about who is to blame.

They say an empty can rattles the most….
Out of respect for macduke and family I will not make any more comment on this poor lady, but as for jd I would just like to remind people just how imperfect the SS system can be at times.
Perhaps he thinks us mere mortals cannot be allowed to have any opinion on these matters.

Obviously I cannot compete with his knowledge of such matters, as he even claims knowledge of future events!

("there won’t be a cover up and I think any suggestion of this would be slanderous")



Anyway anyone remember this?

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/femail/articl
e-565183/How-social-
workers-took-away-ch
ildren-11-months-shr
ed-evidence.html


RIP Sharon all the best to the child concerned.
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: @ossym I might not know everything, but I do know that she was being supported by Lancashire County Council, so BwD have feck all to do with this case. Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where? Obviously it’s the weekend so I’ll assume you’ll get back to me sometime on Monday; unless of course you have a copy of these at home… ‘’it seems pretty obvious…..’’. Does it? Not to me it doesn’t. Have you seen the notes recorded by ALL the staff involved with this family which you have drawn you conclusions from? Shall I guess that’s a NO then? Have you the training and experience to be able to justify this biased opinion you have towards these care professionals? Could you please list your qualifications? Shall I guess that’s NONE then? Don’t forget: social services got involved because the family dynamics broke down, not the other way around. Maybe you should show some respect to the family instead of trying to justify your incredibly flawed and childish statement which I repeatedly pick apart without even trying. What is important is that we have no idea what has happened and you are basing this on hearsay and a report from the LT. The final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker, so you are even wrong about this too. What you really need to think about before you start finger typing your next reply is that social work is not a exact science, it is an educated conclusion based on OBSERVATION and ASSESSMENT. There is always a room for error, no matter how small. What you never hear about, and what ungrateful trolls like you never appreciate, is when social services actually get it right. You never know… this still could have been one of those times.[/p][/quote]It sounds to me like your main concern is the reputation of the SS rather than the grieving family concerned. If “experts” cant stand their authority to be questioned after such dramatic and tragic events then the system is in a sorry state. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.[/p][/quote]My main concern is making you look foolish by systematically picking apart your flawed comments you have made about Social Services and the fact you really have provided no evidence at all that justifies your made-up drivel. It is clear however, that you have no idea what social services actually do, nor the immense legal protocols that govern every action which is taken in a person’s best interest. More importantly, if a person is deemed to have capacity, there is very little that Social Services can actually do unless a detailed and compressive risk assessment shows that a person is at risk of being harmed. Again, we do not know all the details of this terrible event but the fact that it has gone to court, suggests something had to be done. These ‘experts’ will expect their authority to be questioned. Any unfortunate event such as this will result in a serious case review and I am sure the outcome will be published when the time is right. (No, there won’t be a cover up and I think any suggestion of this would be slanderous.) Again your limit knowledge in this area is starting to show you up. What nobody needs now are keyboard trolls, such as you, writing fairytales about who is to blame. They say an empty can rattles the most….[/p][/quote]Out of respect for macduke and family I will not make any more comment on this poor lady, but as for jd I would just like to remind people just how imperfect the SS system can be at times. Perhaps he thinks us mere mortals cannot be allowed to have any opinion on these matters. Obviously I cannot compete with his knowledge of such matters, as he even claims knowledge of future events! ("there won’t be a cover up and I think any suggestion of this would be slanderous") Anyway anyone remember this? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/femail/articl e-565183/How-social- workers-took-away-ch ildren-11-months-shr ed-evidence.html RIP Sharon all the best to the child concerned. ossym
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9:18am Mon 5 Dec 11

Lifeinthemix says...

from the newer report it says :
Police are treating the incident as suicide.

the police can call it what they want, but murdered by the Blackburn county court judge and covered up by the police is how I will report this.

who was the judge?
who was the soliciter acting against her?
from the newer report it says : Police are treating the incident as suicide. the police can call it what they want, but murdered by the Blackburn county court judge and covered up by the police is how I will report this. who was the judge? who was the soliciter acting against her? Lifeinthemix
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9:24am Mon 5 Dec 11

Lifeinthemix says...

with the legislation proposed by Cameron that your children will be picked up off the street then taken not home but to a designated centre, then for the parents to go to the centre to be grilled by psychologists, then child removal is the aim.

no one is normal when the psychologists disect normal human behaviour and label you with all sorts of conditions enough to disaloow your children coming home.

parents sent on corporate courses making big money for the same.

get with it people, they aim to find enough children to satisfy the demand by lazy females who want to scrounge off trhge state as foster parents for some £400 quid per child per week.

how evil is that?
with the legislation proposed by Cameron that your children will be picked up off the street then taken not home but to a designated centre, then for the parents to go to the centre to be grilled by psychologists, then child removal is the aim. no one is normal when the psychologists disect normal human behaviour and label you with all sorts of conditions enough to disaloow your children coming home. parents sent on corporate courses making big money for the same. get with it people, they aim to find enough children to satisfy the demand by lazy females who want to scrounge off trhge state as foster parents for some £400 quid per child per week. how evil is that? Lifeinthemix
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11:50am Mon 5 Dec 11

gellerhick says...

ossym wrote:
jack daniels wrote: @ossym I might not know everything, but I do know that she was being supported by Lancashire County Council, so BwD have feck all to do with this case. Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where? Obviously it’s the weekend so I’ll assume you’ll get back to me sometime on Monday; unless of course you have a copy of these at home… ‘’it seems pretty obvious…..’’. Does it? Not to me it doesn’t. Have you seen the notes recorded by ALL the staff involved with this family which you have drawn you conclusions from? Shall I guess that’s a NO then? Have you the training and experience to be able to justify this biased opinion you have towards these care professionals? Could you please list your qualifications? Shall I guess that’s NONE then? Don’t forget: social services got involved because the family dynamics broke down, not the other way around. Maybe you should show some respect to the family instead of trying to justify your incredibly flawed and childish statement which I repeatedly pick apart without even trying. What is important is that we have no idea what has happened and you are basing this on hearsay and a report from the LT. The final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker, so you are even wrong about this too. What you really need to think about before you start finger typing your next reply is that social work is not a exact science, it is an educated conclusion based on OBSERVATION and ASSESSMENT. There is always a room for error, no matter how small. What you never hear about, and what ungrateful trolls like you never appreciate, is when social services actually get it right. You never know… this still could have been one of those times.
It sounds to me like your main concern is the reputation of the SS rather than the grieving family concerned. If “experts” cant stand their authority to be questioned after such dramatic and tragic events then the system is in a sorry state. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
My deepest sympathy goes to the family during this very difficult period. @ Jack Daniels I find your comments highly insenstive and feel this is a knee jerk reaction and highly defensive. I'm sure a report was compiled which incorporated the recommendations of the allocated social worker. Social work is clearly not a science largely because it isn't based on a central paradigm and social workers are working with human beings not a hypothesis, albeit, social sciences may provide a knowledge base that may informs social work interventions. There is some abiguity in relation to which discipline underpins your emotive and reactive response. There is also an implication that professionals exist on a higher realm than mere mortals and possess a right to adopt the moral high ground and that no body has the right to question or challenge the outcome of an assessment. Considering that under the 1989 Children's Act the needs and welfare of the child are paramount then it is clearly evident that this outcome in no way shape or form has adhered to this Act. It would have been in the child's best interest for the local authority to develop a partnership with the child's mother (an underlying principle of the act) and to collaborate with mental health for professionals to ensure that appropriate support measures were in place during and after the court hearing. In a previous comment you stated that the local authority are powerless to act if a mental capacity assessment has been and the individual is found to possess capacity. I believe believe this would be dealt with under the Mental Health Act rather than the Mental Capacity Act. In any case it has been become clear that the mother had a formal diagnosis of mental health difficulties and that alone ought to have triggered alarm bells and questions such as, what impact will the admission of her daughter into local authority care, have on her mental health. You appear to possess the view that professionals are not accountable and can act in an extremely derisory manner and cannot be held to account for decisions. Social workers are civil servants employed to serve the most vulnerable individuals in society not immortal creatures who cast judgements on those who may not be educated or non professionals. Again, my sympathy is with the family and I sincerely hope that the local authority are able to meet the daughter's needs and enable her to one day meet her full potential. x.
[quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: @ossym I might not know everything, but I do know that she was being supported by Lancashire County Council, so BwD have feck all to do with this case. Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where? Obviously it’s the weekend so I’ll assume you’ll get back to me sometime on Monday; unless of course you have a copy of these at home… ‘’it seems pretty obvious…..’’. Does it? Not to me it doesn’t. Have you seen the notes recorded by ALL the staff involved with this family which you have drawn you conclusions from? Shall I guess that’s a NO then? Have you the training and experience to be able to justify this biased opinion you have towards these care professionals? Could you please list your qualifications? Shall I guess that’s NONE then? Don’t forget: social services got involved because the family dynamics broke down, not the other way around. Maybe you should show some respect to the family instead of trying to justify your incredibly flawed and childish statement which I repeatedly pick apart without even trying. What is important is that we have no idea what has happened and you are basing this on hearsay and a report from the LT. The final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker, so you are even wrong about this too. What you really need to think about before you start finger typing your next reply is that social work is not a exact science, it is an educated conclusion based on OBSERVATION and ASSESSMENT. There is always a room for error, no matter how small. What you never hear about, and what ungrateful trolls like you never appreciate, is when social services actually get it right. You never know… this still could have been one of those times.[/p][/quote]It sounds to me like your main concern is the reputation of the SS rather than the grieving family concerned. If “experts” cant stand their authority to be questioned after such dramatic and tragic events then the system is in a sorry state. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.[/p][/quote]My deepest sympathy goes to the family during this very difficult period. @ Jack Daniels I find your comments highly insenstive and feel this is a knee jerk reaction and highly defensive. I'm sure a report was compiled which incorporated the recommendations of the allocated social worker. Social work is clearly not a science largely because it isn't based on a central paradigm and social workers are working with human beings not a hypothesis, albeit, social sciences may provide a knowledge base that may informs social work interventions. There is some abiguity in relation to which discipline underpins your emotive and reactive response. There is also an implication that professionals exist on a higher realm than mere mortals and possess a right to adopt the moral high ground and that no body has the right to question or challenge the outcome of an assessment. Considering that under the 1989 Children's Act the needs and welfare of the child are paramount then it is clearly evident that this outcome in no way shape or form has adhered to this Act. It would have been in the child's best interest for the local authority to develop a partnership with the child's mother (an underlying principle of the act) and to collaborate with mental health for professionals to ensure that appropriate support measures were in place during and after the court hearing. In a previous comment you stated that the local authority are powerless to act if a mental capacity assessment has been and the individual is found to possess capacity. I believe believe this would be dealt with under the Mental Health Act rather than the Mental Capacity Act. In any case it has been become clear that the mother had a formal diagnosis of mental health difficulties and that alone ought to have triggered alarm bells and questions such as, what impact will the admission of her daughter into local authority care, have on her mental health. You appear to possess the view that professionals are not accountable and can act in an extremely derisory manner and cannot be held to account for decisions. Social workers are civil servants employed to serve the most vulnerable individuals in society not immortal creatures who cast judgements on those who may not be educated or non professionals. Again, my sympathy is with the family and I sincerely hope that the local authority are able to meet the daughter's needs and enable her to one day meet her full potential. x. gellerhick
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1:46pm Mon 5 Dec 11

Lifeinthemix says...

no, it is called the Youth Crime Action Plan. and it is being unleashed on the back of the masonic created riots this summer.
no, it is called the Youth Crime Action Plan. and it is being unleashed on the back of the masonic created riots this summer. Lifeinthemix
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8:26pm Mon 5 Dec 11

jack daniels says...

ossym wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
ossym wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
@ossym

I might not know everything, but I do know that she was being supported by Lancashire County Council, so BwD have feck all to do with this case.

Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where? Obviously it’s the weekend so I’ll assume you’ll get back to me sometime on Monday; unless of course you have a copy of these at home…

‘’it seems pretty obvious…..’’.

Does it?
Not to me it doesn’t.
Have you seen the notes recorded by ALL the staff involved with this family which you have drawn you conclusions from?

Shall I guess that’s a NO then?

Have you the training and experience to be able to justify this biased opinion you have towards these care professionals? Could you please list your qualifications?

Shall I guess that’s NONE then?

Don’t forget: social services got involved because the family dynamics broke down, not the other way around.

Maybe you should show some respect to the family instead of trying to justify your incredibly flawed and childish statement which I repeatedly pick apart without even trying.

What is important is that we have no idea what has happened and you are basing this on hearsay and a report from the LT. The final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker, so you are even wrong about this too.

What you really need to think about before you start finger typing your next reply is that social work is not a exact science, it is an educated conclusion based on OBSERVATION and ASSESSMENT. There is always a room for error, no matter how small.

What you never hear about, and what ungrateful trolls like you never appreciate, is when social services actually get it right.

You never know… this still could have been one of those times.
It sounds to me like your main concern is the reputation of the SS rather than the grieving family concerned.

If “experts” cant stand their authority to be questioned after such dramatic and tragic events then the system is in a sorry state.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
My main concern is making you look foolish by systematically picking apart your flawed comments you have made about Social Services and the fact you really have provided no evidence at all that justifies your made-up drivel.

It is clear however, that you have no idea what social services actually do, nor the immense legal protocols that govern every action which is taken in a person’s best interest. More importantly, if a person is deemed to have capacity, there is very little that Social Services can actually do unless a detailed and compressive risk assessment shows that a person is at risk of being harmed. Again, we do not know all the details of this terrible event but the fact that it has gone to court, suggests something had to be done.


These ‘experts’ will expect their authority to be questioned. Any unfortunate event such as this will result in a serious case review and I am sure the outcome will be published when the time is right. (No, there won’t be a cover up and I think any suggestion of this would be slanderous.)

Again your limit knowledge in this area is starting to show you up.

What nobody needs now are keyboard trolls, such as you, writing fairytales about who is to blame.

They say an empty can rattles the most….
Out of respect for macduke and family I will not make any more comment on this poor lady, but as for jd I would just like to remind people just how imperfect the SS system can be at times.
Perhaps he thinks us mere mortals cannot be allowed to have any opinion on these matters.

Obviously I cannot compete with his knowledge of such matters, as he even claims knowledge of future events!

("there won’t be a cover up and I think any suggestion of this would be slanderous")



Anyway anyone remember this?

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/femail/articl

e-565183/How-social-

workers-took-away-ch

ildren-11-months-shr

ed-evidence.html


RIP Sharon all the best to the child concerned.
Pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: @ossym I might not know everything, but I do know that she was being supported by Lancashire County Council, so BwD have feck all to do with this case. Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where? Obviously it’s the weekend so I’ll assume you’ll get back to me sometime on Monday; unless of course you have a copy of these at home… ‘’it seems pretty obvious…..’’. Does it? Not to me it doesn’t. Have you seen the notes recorded by ALL the staff involved with this family which you have drawn you conclusions from? Shall I guess that’s a NO then? Have you the training and experience to be able to justify this biased opinion you have towards these care professionals? Could you please list your qualifications? Shall I guess that’s NONE then? Don’t forget: social services got involved because the family dynamics broke down, not the other way around. Maybe you should show some respect to the family instead of trying to justify your incredibly flawed and childish statement which I repeatedly pick apart without even trying. What is important is that we have no idea what has happened and you are basing this on hearsay and a report from the LT. The final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker, so you are even wrong about this too. What you really need to think about before you start finger typing your next reply is that social work is not a exact science, it is an educated conclusion based on OBSERVATION and ASSESSMENT. There is always a room for error, no matter how small. What you never hear about, and what ungrateful trolls like you never appreciate, is when social services actually get it right. You never know… this still could have been one of those times.[/p][/quote]It sounds to me like your main concern is the reputation of the SS rather than the grieving family concerned. If “experts” cant stand their authority to be questioned after such dramatic and tragic events then the system is in a sorry state. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.[/p][/quote]My main concern is making you look foolish by systematically picking apart your flawed comments you have made about Social Services and the fact you really have provided no evidence at all that justifies your made-up drivel. It is clear however, that you have no idea what social services actually do, nor the immense legal protocols that govern every action which is taken in a person’s best interest. More importantly, if a person is deemed to have capacity, there is very little that Social Services can actually do unless a detailed and compressive risk assessment shows that a person is at risk of being harmed. Again, we do not know all the details of this terrible event but the fact that it has gone to court, suggests something had to be done. These ‘experts’ will expect their authority to be questioned. Any unfortunate event such as this will result in a serious case review and I am sure the outcome will be published when the time is right. (No, there won’t be a cover up and I think any suggestion of this would be slanderous.) Again your limit knowledge in this area is starting to show you up. What nobody needs now are keyboard trolls, such as you, writing fairytales about who is to blame. They say an empty can rattles the most….[/p][/quote]Out of respect for macduke and family I will not make any more comment on this poor lady, but as for jd I would just like to remind people just how imperfect the SS system can be at times. Perhaps he thinks us mere mortals cannot be allowed to have any opinion on these matters. Obviously I cannot compete with his knowledge of such matters, as he even claims knowledge of future events! ("there won’t be a cover up and I think any suggestion of this would be slanderous") Anyway anyone remember this? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/femail/articl e-565183/How-social- workers-took-away-ch ildren-11-months-shr ed-evidence.html RIP Sharon all the best to the child concerned.[/p][/quote]Pathetic. jack daniels
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9:11pm Mon 5 Dec 11

jack daniels says...

Hello gellerhick.

While I am slightly impressed with your knowledge surrounding this topic, it truly disappoints me that you have succumbed to the same basic errors as my previous commenter, ossym.

1)I can’t help wondering why my comments are a knee jerk reaction when there is no evidence at this time that proves social services where at fault for this tragic event. I also don’t consider my comment insensitive as at no point have I questioned the wellbeing of any of the people involved.

2) While I agree with your description of Social work/science; I am curious to why you feel that I consider “that professionals exist on a higher realm than mere mortals” when I clearly stated “There is always a room for error, no matter how small.” What is worth mentioning is that Social services only intervene when something goes wrong. If you think social workers have nothing else better to do than ‘make stuff up’, then we really are on dodgy ground!

3) “that no body has the right to question or challenge the outcome of an assessment” Now is this an implication that I have made or are you putting words into my mouth?

The latter I think….

Not a good start on your part is it??

4) How do you know that the outcome didn’t adhere to the Childrens act? What evidence do you have that contradicts the information given by the press and more importantly, WHY HAVE YOU NOT INCLUDED IT?

5) How do you know that the best place for the daughter was with her mother? What evidence do you have that contradicts a court of Law and more importantly, WHY HAVE YOU NOT INCLUDED IT?

6) The mental health act and the mental capacity act are different issues entirely. A Person with a profound learning disability could be considered not to have capacity, yet not deemed to have an enduring mental health issue. You can also have a mental illness and still have capacity.

I used this example to help explain some of the problems with ossym’s comments and at no point did I relate it to this story.

7) “You appear to possess the view that professionals are not accountable and can act in an extremely derisory manner and cannot be held to account for decisions”

Yet I clearly mentioned - training and qualifications; that social services get involved because the family dynamics break down, not the other way around; that the final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker; the immense legal protocols that govern every action; and that these ‘experts’ will expect their authority to be questioned.

I think that covers it.


8) It seems that you really haven’t actually read anything I have written at all.

P.S. It was YOU who has actually commented on the wellbeing of the lady in question and I find that this is very insensitive and selfish of you at this difficult time for the family.
Hello gellerhick. While I am slightly impressed with your knowledge surrounding this topic, it truly disappoints me that you have succumbed to the same basic errors as my previous commenter, ossym. 1)I can’t help wondering why my comments are a knee jerk reaction when there is no evidence at this time that proves social services where at fault for this tragic event. I also don’t consider my comment insensitive as at no point have I questioned the wellbeing of any of the people involved. 2) While I agree with your description of Social work/science; I am curious to why you feel that I consider “that professionals exist on a higher realm than mere mortals” when I clearly stated “There is always a room for error, no matter how small.” What is worth mentioning is that Social services only intervene when something goes wrong. If you think social workers have nothing else better to do than ‘make stuff up’, then we really are on dodgy ground! 3) “that no body has the right to question or challenge the outcome of an assessment” Now is this an implication that I have made or are you putting words into my mouth? The latter I think…. Not a good start on your part is it?? 4) How do you know that the outcome didn’t adhere to the Childrens act? What evidence do you have that contradicts the information given by the press and more importantly, WHY HAVE YOU NOT INCLUDED IT? 5) How do you know that the best place for the daughter was with her mother? What evidence do you have that contradicts a court of Law and more importantly, WHY HAVE YOU NOT INCLUDED IT? 6) The mental health act and the mental capacity act are different issues entirely. A Person with a profound learning disability could be considered not to have capacity, yet not deemed to have an enduring mental health issue. You can also have a mental illness and still have capacity. I used this example to help explain some of the problems with ossym’s comments and at no point did I relate it to this story. 7) “You appear to possess the view that professionals are not accountable and can act in an extremely derisory manner and cannot be held to account for decisions” Yet I clearly mentioned - training and qualifications; that social services get involved because the family dynamics break down, not the other way around; that the final judgement on this case was decided by a Judge, not a social worker; the immense legal protocols that govern every action; and that these ‘experts’ will expect their authority to be questioned. I think that covers it. 8) It seems that you really haven’t actually read anything I have written at all. P.S. It was YOU who has actually commented on the wellbeing of the lady in question and I find that this is very insensitive and selfish of you at this difficult time for the family. jack daniels
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11:29pm Mon 5 Dec 11

flowers22 says...

Lifeinthemix wrote:
from the newer report it says : Police are treating the incident as suicide. the police can call it what they want, but murdered by the Blackburn county court judge and covered up by the police is how I will report this. who was the judge? who was the soliciter acting against her?
The above comments are unjust and the person who wrote them has little, if any, understanding of the issues in the case. Tragic as the death of this young woman was it is not professionals who are responsible, as individuals we are responsible for our own actions. It is very clear that this young woman was unwell enough to care for her daughter. Professionals involved and social work assessments come in for close scrutiny and challenge in the family court/s. Support was offered but unfortunately declined. Once again social workers are vilified, "they can't do right for doing wrong". And as for the Blackburn County Court Judge and Solicitor/s acting for the Local Authority and the womans daughter, well they obviously made the correct decision based on the evidence placed before the Court.

Children's Services staff at BWD placed flowers at the scene and I would like to remind the taxi driver who "took" them on Friday afternoon to return or replace them or he/she will be named and shamed.
[quote][p][bold]Lifeinthemix[/bold] wrote: from the newer report it says : Police are treating the incident as suicide. the police can call it what they want, but murdered by the Blackburn county court judge and covered up by the police is how I will report this. who was the judge? who was the soliciter acting against her?[/p][/quote]The above comments are unjust and the person who wrote them has little, if any, understanding of the issues in the case. Tragic as the death of this young woman was it is not professionals who are responsible, as individuals we are responsible for our own actions. It is very clear that this young woman was unwell enough to care for her daughter. Professionals involved and social work assessments come in for close scrutiny and challenge in the family court/s. Support was offered but unfortunately declined. Once again social workers are vilified, "they can't do right for doing wrong". And as for the Blackburn County Court Judge and Solicitor/s acting for the Local Authority and the womans daughter, well they obviously made the correct decision based on the evidence placed before the Court. Children's Services staff at BWD placed flowers at the scene and I would like to remind the taxi driver who "took" them on Friday afternoon to return or replace them or he/she will be named and shamed. flowers22
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11:56pm Mon 5 Dec 11

gellerhick says...

My sympathy remains with family members and may they be blessed with the support and good wishes of a caring community.

Hi JD
I am pleased your slightly impressed with my knowledge on social care issues, but I am not particularly impressed with your perspective or claim that I have made some basic errors. It appears that there is a lack of clarity in terms of precisely what these mistakes are and it’s absence illustrates that full consideration has not been given to my previous comment.
In relation to your first point, you are clearly attempting to defend the local authority by the following statements “Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where…” “The final judgement on this case was decided by a judge, not a social worker , so your even wrong about this too” There are obviously a plethora of examples providing evidence to suggest that you are adopting a defensive position and I would also contend that this is not an objective considered response, but merely a reaction to Ossym’s perspective of the local authority. It’s slightly perplexing as to why on the one hand, you claim that this is an LCC case and on the other, ask for further information on whether BwD’s procedures are wrong. I find your comments insensitive, since there is more focus on right and wrong rather than a compassionate empathic response, which is what the majority of human beings expect when such a tragic incident occurs. The events which have unfolded provide substantial evidence to suggest that the mother’s mental health needs have clearly been neglected. Surely a risk assessment ought to have been conducted risk to determine whether child protection procedures would have a detrimental impact on the mother’s mental health. The admission of ones child into local authority care is clearly an extremely traumatic experience. As previously stated under the 1989 Children Act the local authority ought to be working in partnership with parents and the child’s views and wishes ought to be given paramount consideration. There are obviously issues that will trigger a case review, an objective analysis of the case history and the events which unfolded prior to this tragic event and this alone is evidence to suggest that mistakes have been made.
In relation to your second and third point, it is clear that you hold the view that professionals exist on a higher moral plane than individuals who do not possess practical and academic knowledge on social work. This is evident in the following statement “.. My main concern is making you look foolish by systematically picking apart your flawed comments you have made about social services…” This thought process clearly originates from a distorted self concept and a social care professional who holds a God complex and the belief that they have the ability to rectify and correct those who hold a negative perspective of the local authority. Obviously, you are attempting to humiliate individuals into silence, rather than accept that an individual’s standpoint will determine how they perceive reality and it is highly likely that there will be a significant contrast between your perspective and the perspective of other individuals. Whilst you perceive my comments to be ‘incorrect’ this is merely your perception and it’s highly likely that your perception is not a mirror reflection of reality, since there can be no objective perspective of reality as perceptions are constructs of the mind. What scientific method have you adopted to determine what is correct or incorrect.
In terms of your fourth and fifth point. I refer you to my previous comments and also comments made by family members and I HAVE INCLUDED IT. These Grandiose statements and complete fabrications such as “How do you know the best …” and “what evidence do you have that contradicts a court of law…” are highly infuriating. Please can you identify my statement that the child ought to have remained within the family home or that the outcome of the child protection procedures were incorrect (Obviously you can’t since these are merely fabrications). It is questionable whether the welfare checklist and the child’s emotional, social, spiritual and educational development have been given paramount consideration. It’s clear that the loss of a mother will impact on the child’s welfare and development and also that there is a clear correlation between the court hearing and the tragic incident and this leads me to believe that the mother’s mental health needs have clearly been neglected which in turn negatively impacts on the child’s development.
The context in which the mental capacity assessment emerged and the purpose of this statement remains ambiguous. “More importantly, if a person is deemed to have capacity there is very little social services can actually do unless ….a risk assessment show that a person is at risk of being harmed.” I’m not sure how this explains the problem with some of Ossym’s comments. The local authority do possess the power to request mental health assessments from psychiatrists to determine whether individuals have an impairment of the mind and as you quite rightly pointed out have the power to act if the individual is assessed as at risk of harming him/herself or another person. As previously stated I think this would be dealt with under the Mental Health Act, since the Mental Capacity Act is largely used to determine whether an individual has the capacity to make informed decisions in relation their care. Thus, it is clear that local authority social services can implement social care legislation that is specifically designed to protect individuals who are deemed to be a risk to themselves or others.

This lengthy response to your comment is underpinned by my view that your initial comments were heartless and focused more on defending the local authority and your precious views than on the devastation currently facing the family. My sincere condolences to family members and my thoughts and wishes are with you during this difficult period.
My sympathy remains with family members and may they be blessed with the support and good wishes of a caring community. Hi JD I am pleased your slightly impressed with my knowledge on social care issues, but I am not particularly impressed with your perspective or claim that I have made some basic errors. It appears that there is a lack of clarity in terms of precisely what these mistakes are and it’s absence illustrates that full consideration has not been given to my previous comment. In relation to your first point, you are clearly attempting to defend the local authority by the following statements “Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where…” “The final judgement on this case was decided by a judge, not a social worker , so your even wrong about this too” There are obviously a plethora of examples providing evidence to suggest that you are adopting a defensive position and I would also contend that this is not an objective considered response, but merely a reaction to Ossym’s perspective of the local authority. It’s slightly perplexing as to why on the one hand, you claim that this is an LCC case and on the other, ask for further information on whether BwD’s procedures are wrong. I find your comments insensitive, since there is more focus on right and wrong rather than a compassionate empathic response, which is what the majority of human beings expect when such a tragic incident occurs. The events which have unfolded provide substantial evidence to suggest that the mother’s mental health needs have clearly been neglected. Surely a risk assessment ought to have been conducted risk to determine whether child protection procedures would have a detrimental impact on the mother’s mental health. The admission of ones child into local authority care is clearly an extremely traumatic experience. As previously stated under the 1989 Children Act the local authority ought to be working in partnership with parents and the child’s views and wishes ought to be given paramount consideration. There are obviously issues that will trigger a case review, an objective analysis of the case history and the events which unfolded prior to this tragic event and this alone is evidence to suggest that mistakes have been made. In relation to your second and third point, it is clear that you hold the view that professionals exist on a higher moral plane than individuals who do not possess practical and academic knowledge on social work. This is evident in the following statement “.. My main concern is making you look foolish by systematically picking apart your flawed comments you have made about social services…” This thought process clearly originates from a distorted self concept and a social care professional who holds a God complex and the belief that they have the ability to rectify and correct those who hold a negative perspective of the local authority. Obviously, you are attempting to humiliate individuals into silence, rather than accept that an individual’s standpoint will determine how they perceive reality and it is highly likely that there will be a significant contrast between your perspective and the perspective of other individuals. Whilst you perceive my comments to be ‘incorrect’ this is merely your perception and it’s highly likely that your perception is not a mirror reflection of reality, since there can be no objective perspective of reality as perceptions are constructs of the mind. What scientific method have you adopted to determine what is correct or incorrect. In terms of your fourth and fifth point. I refer you to my previous comments and also comments made by family members and I HAVE INCLUDED IT. These Grandiose statements and complete fabrications such as “How do you know the best …” and “what evidence do you have that contradicts a court of law…” are highly infuriating. Please can you identify my statement that the child ought to have remained within the family home or that the outcome of the child protection procedures were incorrect (Obviously you can’t since these are merely fabrications). It is questionable whether the welfare checklist and the child’s emotional, social, spiritual and educational development have been given paramount consideration. It’s clear that the loss of a mother will impact on the child’s welfare and development and also that there is a clear correlation between the court hearing and the tragic incident and this leads me to believe that the mother’s mental health needs have clearly been neglected which in turn negatively impacts on the child’s development. The context in which the mental capacity assessment emerged and the purpose of this statement remains ambiguous. “More importantly, if a person is deemed to have capacity there is very little social services can actually do unless ….a risk assessment show that a person is at risk of being harmed.” I’m not sure how this explains the problem with some of Ossym’s comments. The local authority do possess the power to request mental health assessments from psychiatrists to determine whether individuals have an impairment of the mind and as you quite rightly pointed out have the power to act if the individual is assessed as at risk of harming him/herself or another person. As previously stated I think this would be dealt with under the Mental Health Act, since the Mental Capacity Act is largely used to determine whether an individual has the capacity to make informed decisions in relation their care. Thus, it is clear that local authority social services can implement social care legislation that is specifically designed to protect individuals who are deemed to be a risk to themselves or others. This lengthy response to your comment is underpinned by my view that your initial comments were heartless and focused more on defending the local authority and your precious views than on the devastation currently facing the family. My sincere condolences to family members and my thoughts and wishes are with you during this difficult period. gellerhick
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12:04am Tue 6 Dec 11

Lifeinthemix says...

flowers22 wrote:
Lifeinthemix wrote:
from the newer report it says : Police are treating the incident as suicide. the police can call it what they want, but murdered by the Blackburn county court judge and covered up by the police is how I will report this. who was the judge? who was the soliciter acting against her?
The above comments are unjust and the person who wrote them has little, if any, understanding of the issues in the case. Tragic as the death of this young woman was it is not professionals who are responsible, as individuals we are responsible for our own actions. It is very clear that this young woman was unwell enough to care for her daughter. Professionals involved and social work assessments come in for close scrutiny and challenge in the family court/s. Support was offered but unfortunately declined. Once again social workers are vilified, "they can't do right for doing wrong". And as for the Blackburn County Court Judge and Solicitor/s acting for the Local Authority and the womans daughter, well they obviously made the correct decision based on the evidence placed before the Court.

Children's Services staff at BWD placed flowers at the scene and I would like to remind the taxi driver who "took" them on Friday afternoon to return or replace them or he/she will be named and shamed.
I will grant you my limited knowledge of the case, but as a journalist i have read some horrendous reports of outright destruction of families.

It matters not what kind of existence children are living under save for physical abuse, they would always choose to remain with their parents/s.

Perhaps in this case you are correct, but that takes nothing away from what is going on behind the scenes when it comes to social services and their links to barnardos who have been demanding more children be taken away from parents even at birth.

you also have to take into consideration the expanding industry of fostering, to expand this they need to expand child removal.

Social services are in the spotlight and rightly so, the family courts are an abomination and whern you have Blackburn solicitors, specifically female, hell bent on destroying the fathers, then all is not well at all, and the judges are complicit.

It is events like this which puts all things social services in the spotlight as they should be as civil servants, but of course as you know, more and more social services are moving into the corporate domain, that is a real problem and needs to be fully exposed. corporate means profit, and what has been set up in the background is to say the least, evil, with nothing but evil intent.

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
1290187/Failing-chil
dren-care-costs-extr
a-33k-child-says-Bar
nardos-boss.html
[quote][p][bold]flowers22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lifeinthemix[/bold] wrote: from the newer report it says : Police are treating the incident as suicide. the police can call it what they want, but murdered by the Blackburn county court judge and covered up by the police is how I will report this. who was the judge? who was the soliciter acting against her?[/p][/quote]The above comments are unjust and the person who wrote them has little, if any, understanding of the issues in the case. Tragic as the death of this young woman was it is not professionals who are responsible, as individuals we are responsible for our own actions. It is very clear that this young woman was unwell enough to care for her daughter. Professionals involved and social work assessments come in for close scrutiny and challenge in the family court/s. Support was offered but unfortunately declined. Once again social workers are vilified, "they can't do right for doing wrong". And as for the Blackburn County Court Judge and Solicitor/s acting for the Local Authority and the womans daughter, well they obviously made the correct decision based on the evidence placed before the Court. Children's Services staff at BWD placed flowers at the scene and I would like to remind the taxi driver who "took" them on Friday afternoon to return or replace them or he/she will be named and shamed.[/p][/quote]I will grant you my limited knowledge of the case, but as a journalist i have read some horrendous reports of outright destruction of families. It matters not what kind of existence children are living under save for physical abuse, they would always choose to remain with their parents/s. Perhaps in this case you are correct, but that takes nothing away from what is going on behind the scenes when it comes to social services and their links to barnardos who have been demanding more children be taken away from parents even at birth. you also have to take into consideration the expanding industry of fostering, to expand this they need to expand child removal. Social services are in the spotlight and rightly so, the family courts are an abomination and whern you have Blackburn solicitors, specifically female, hell bent on destroying the fathers, then all is not well at all, and the judges are complicit. It is events like this which puts all things social services in the spotlight as they should be as civil servants, but of course as you know, more and more social services are moving into the corporate domain, that is a real problem and needs to be fully exposed. corporate means profit, and what has been set up in the background is to say the least, evil, with nothing but evil intent. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 1290187/Failing-chil dren-care-costs-extr a-33k-child-says-Bar nardos-boss.html Lifeinthemix
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12:09am Tue 6 Dec 11

ossym says...

j danny- "Pathetic".

You forgot to mention your better qualities;

Abusive, Condescending, Patronising, Self Important and Deluded.
j danny- "Pathetic". You forgot to mention your better qualities; Abusive, Condescending, Patronising, Self Important and Deluded. ossym
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12:10am Tue 6 Dec 11

gellerhick says...

My sympathy remains with family members and may they be blessed with the support and good wishes of a caring community.

Hi JD
I am pleased your slightly impressed with my knowledge on social care issues, but I am not particularly impressed with your perspective or claim that I have made some basic errors. It appears that there is a lack of clarity in terms of precisely what these mistakes are and it’s absence illustrates that full consideration has not been given to my previous comment.
In relation to your first point, you are clearly attempting to defend the local authority by the following statements “Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where…” “The final judgement on this case was decided by a judge, not a social worker , so your even wrong about this too” There are obviously a plethora of examples providing evidence to suggest that you are adopting a defensive position and I would also contend that this is not an objective considered response, but merely a reaction to Ossym’s perspective of the local authority. It’s slightly perplexing as to why on the one hand, you claim that this is an LCC case and on the other, ask for further information on whether BwD’s procedures are wrong. I find your comments insensitive, since there is more focus on right and wrong rather than a compassionate empathic response, which is what the majority of human beings expect when such a tragic incident occurs. The events which have unfolded provide substantial evidence to suggest that the mother’s mental health needs have clearly been neglected. Surely a risk assessment ought to have been conducted risk to determine whether child protection procedures would have a detrimental impact on the mother’s mental health. The admission of ones child into local authority care is clearly an extremely traumatic experience. As previously stated under the 1989 Children Act the local authority ought to be working in partnership with parents and the child’s views and wishes ought to be given paramount consideration. There are obviously issues that will trigger a case review, an objective analysis of the case history and the events which unfolded prior to this tragic event and this alone is evidence to suggest that mistakes have been made.
In relation to your second and third point, it is clear that you hold the view that professionals exist on a higher moral plane than individuals who do not possess practical and academic knowledge on social work. This is evident in the following statement “.. My main concern is making you look foolish by systematically picking apart your flawed comments you have made about social services…” This thought process clearly originates from a distorted self concept and a social care professional who holds a God complex and the belief that they have the ability to rectify and correct those who hold a negative perspective of the local authority. Obviously, you are attempting to humiliate individuals into silence, rather than accept that an individual’s standpoint will determine how they perceive reality and it is highly likely that there will be a significant contrast between your perspective and the perspective of other individuals. Whilst you perceive my comments to be ‘incorrect’ this is merely your perception and it’s highly likely that your perception is not a mirror reflection of reality, since there can be no objective perspective of reality as perceptions are constructs of the mind. What scientific method have you adopted to determine what is correct or incorrect.
In terms of your fourth and fifth point. I refer you to my previous comments and also comments made by family members and I HAVE INCLUDED IT. These Grandiose statements and complete fabrications such as “How do you know the best …” and “what evidence do you have that contradicts a court of law…” are highly infuriating. Please can you identify my statement that the child ought to have remained within the family home or that the outcome of the child protection procedures were incorrect (Obviously you can’t since these are merely fabrications). It is questionable whether the welfare checklist and the child’s emotional, social, spiritual and educational development have been given paramount consideration. It’s clear that the loss of a mother will impact on the child’s welfare and development and also that there is a clear correlation between the court hearing and the tragic incident and this leads me to believe that the mother’s mental health needs have clearly been neglected which in turn negatively impacts on the child’s development.
The context in which the mental capacity assessment emerged and the purpose of this statement remains ambiguous. “More importantly, if a person is deemed to have capacity there is very little social services can actually do unless ….a risk assessment show that a person is at risk of being harmed.” I’m not sure how this explains the problem with some of Ossym’s comments. The local authority do possess the power to request mental health assessments from psychiatrists to determine whether individuals have an impairment of the mind and as you quite rightly pointed out have the power to act if the individual is assessed as at risk of harming him/herself or another person. As previously stated I think this would be dealt with under the Mental Health Act, since the Mental Capacity Act is largely used to determine whether an individual has the capacity to make informed decisions in relation their care. Thus, it is clear that local authority social services can implement social care legislation that is specifically designed to protect individuals who are deemed to be a risk to themselves or others.

This lengthy response to your comment is underpinned by my view that your initial comments were heartless and focused more on defending the local authority and your precious views than on the devastation currently facing the family. My sincere condolences to family members and my thoughts and wishes are with you during this difficult period.
My sympathy remains with family members and may they be blessed with the support and good wishes of a caring community. Hi JD I am pleased your slightly impressed with my knowledge on social care issues, but I am not particularly impressed with your perspective or claim that I have made some basic errors. It appears that there is a lack of clarity in terms of precisely what these mistakes are and it’s absence illustrates that full consideration has not been given to my previous comment. In relation to your first point, you are clearly attempting to defend the local authority by the following statements “Also, if BwD’s procedures are wrong, can you tell me where…” “The final judgement on this case was decided by a judge, not a social worker , so your even wrong about this too” There are obviously a plethora of examples providing evidence to suggest that you are adopting a defensive position and I would also contend that this is not an objective considered response, but merely a reaction to Ossym’s perspective of the local authority. It’s slightly perplexing as to why on the one hand, you claim that this is an LCC case and on the other, ask for further information on whether BwD’s procedures are wrong. I find your comments insensitive, since there is more focus on right and wrong rather than a compassionate empathic response, which is what the majority of human beings expect when such a tragic incident occurs. The events which have unfolded provide substantial evidence to suggest that the mother’s mental health needs have clearly been neglected. Surely a risk assessment ought to have been conducted risk to determine whether child protection procedures would have a detrimental impact on the mother’s mental health. The admission of ones child into local authority care is clearly an extremely traumatic experience. As previously stated under the 1989 Children Act the local authority ought to be working in partnership with parents and the child’s views and wishes ought to be given paramount consideration. There are obviously issues that will trigger a case review, an objective analysis of the case history and the events which unfolded prior to this tragic event and this alone is evidence to suggest that mistakes have been made. In relation to your second and third point, it is clear that you hold the view that professionals exist on a higher moral plane than individuals who do not possess practical and academic knowledge on social work. This is evident in the following statement “.. My main concern is making you look foolish by systematically picking apart your flawed comments you have made about social services…” This thought process clearly originates from a distorted self concept and a social care professional who holds a God complex and the belief that they have the ability to rectify and correct those who hold a negative perspective of the local authority. Obviously, you are attempting to humiliate individuals into silence, rather than accept that an individual’s standpoint will determine how they perceive reality and it is highly likely that there will be a significant contrast between your perspective and the perspective of other individuals. Whilst you perceive my comments to be ‘incorrect’ this is merely your perception and it’s highly likely that your perception is not a mirror reflection of reality, since there can be no objective perspective of reality as perceptions are constructs of the mind. What scientific method have you adopted to determine what is correct or incorrect. In terms of your fourth and fifth point. I refer you to my previous comments and also comments made by family members and I HAVE INCLUDED IT. These Grandiose statements and complete fabrications such as “How do you know the best …” and “what evidence do you have that contradicts a court of law…” are highly infuriating. Please can you identify my statement that the child ought to have remained within the family home or that the outcome of the child protection procedures were incorrect (Obviously you can’t since these are merely fabrications). It is questionable whether the welfare checklist and the child’s emotional, social, spiritual and educational development have been given paramount consideration. It’s clear that the loss of a mother will impact on the child’s welfare and development and also that there is a clear correlation between the court hearing and the tragic incident and this leads me to believe that the mother’s mental health needs have clearly been neglected which in turn negatively impacts on the child’s development. The context in which the mental capacity assessment emerged and the purpose of this statement remains ambiguous. “More importantly, if a person is deemed to have capacity there is very little social services can actually do unless ….a risk assessment show that a person is at risk of being harmed.” I’m not sure how this explains the problem with some of Ossym’s comments. The local authority do possess the power to request mental health assessments from psychiatrists to determine whether individuals have an impairment of the mind and as you quite rightly pointed out have the power to act if the individual is assessed as at risk of harming him/herself or another person. As previously stated I think this would be dealt with under the Mental Health Act, since the Mental Capacity Act is largely used to determine whether an individual has the capacity to make informed decisions in relation their care. Thus, it is clear that local authority social services can implement social care legislation that is specifically designed to protect individuals who are deemed to be a risk to themselves or others. This lengthy response to your comment is underpinned by my view that your initial comments were heartless and focused more on defending the local authority and your precious views than on the devastation currently facing the family. My sincere condolences to family members and my thoughts and wishes are with you during this difficult period. gellerhick
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12:24am Tue 6 Dec 11

ossym says...

flowers22 wrote:
Lifeinthemix wrote:
from the newer report it says : Police are treating the incident as suicide. the police can call it what they want, but murdered by the Blackburn county court judge and covered up by the police is how I will report this. who was the judge? who was the soliciter acting against her?
The above comments are unjust and the person who wrote them has little, if any, understanding of the issues in the case. Tragic as the death of this young woman was it is not professionals who are responsible, as individuals we are responsible for our own actions. It is very clear that this young woman was unwell enough to care for her daughter. Professionals involved and social work assessments come in for close scrutiny and challenge in the family court/s. Support was offered but unfortunately declined. Once again social workers are vilified, "they can't do right for doing wrong". And as for the Blackburn County Court Judge and Solicitor/s acting for the Local Authority and the womans daughter, well they obviously made the correct decision based on the evidence placed before the Court.

Children's Services staff at BWD placed flowers at the scene and I would like to remind the taxi driver who "took" them on Friday afternoon to return or replace them or he/she will be named and shamed.
I hope the SS system CAN offer this much harmed young lady the care she deserves and needs.
[quote][p][bold]flowers22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lifeinthemix[/bold] wrote: from the newer report it says : Police are treating the incident as suicide. the police can call it what they want, but murdered by the Blackburn county court judge and covered up by the police is how I will report this. who was the judge? who was the soliciter acting against her?[/p][/quote]The above comments are unjust and the person who wrote them has little, if any, understanding of the issues in the case. Tragic as the death of this young woman was it is not professionals who are responsible, as individuals we are responsible for our own actions. It is very clear that this young woman was unwell enough to care for her daughter. Professionals involved and social work assessments come in for close scrutiny and challenge in the family court/s. Support was offered but unfortunately declined. Once again social workers are vilified, "they can't do right for doing wrong". And as for the Blackburn County Court Judge and Solicitor/s acting for the Local Authority and the womans daughter, well they obviously made the correct decision based on the evidence placed before the Court. Children's Services staff at BWD placed flowers at the scene and I would like to remind the taxi driver who "took" them on Friday afternoon to return or replace them or he/she will be named and shamed.[/p][/quote]I hope the SS system CAN offer this much harmed young lady the care she deserves and needs. ossym
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12:33am Tue 6 Dec 11

Lifeinthemix says...

ossym wrote:
j danny- "Pathetic".

You forgot to mention your better qualities;

Abusive, Condescending, Patronising, Self Important and Deluded.
there is a lot of them on here....
[quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: j danny- "Pathetic". You forgot to mention your better qualities; Abusive, Condescending, Patronising, Self Important and Deluded.[/p][/quote]there is a lot of them on here.... Lifeinthemix
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7:33am Tue 6 Dec 11

jack daniels says...

@gellerhick

To quote –

“It appears that there is a lack of clarity in terms of precisely what these mistakes are and it’s absence illustrates that full consideration has not been given to my previous comment.”

Yet YOU clearly write -

“In relation to your first point,”

“In relation to your second and third point”

“In terms of your fourth and fifth point”

So obviously I did make a point after all because you have read and responded to them.

I’m more concerned about why you feel it appropriate to troll on this story.
Is it something personal that has brought you out of the woodwork?
Was it a significant life event or are you an ex-employee with an axe to grind?
@gellerhick To quote – “It appears that there is a lack of clarity in terms of precisely what these mistakes are and it’s absence illustrates that full consideration has not been given to my previous comment.” Yet YOU clearly write - “In relation to your first point,” “In relation to your second and third point” “In terms of your fourth and fifth point” So obviously I did make a point after all because you have read and responded to them. I’m more concerned about why you feel it appropriate to troll on this story. Is it something personal that has brought you out of the woodwork? Was it a significant life event or are you an ex-employee with an axe to grind? jack daniels
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7:38am Tue 6 Dec 11

jack daniels says...

ossym wrote:
j danny- "Pathetic".

You forgot to mention your better qualities;

Abusive, Condescending, Patronising, Self Important and Deluded.
What happened to not commenting anymore?

You lied, just like everything else you have posted on this thread.

As for having one last attack at me before stating “I will not make any more comment on this poor lady”

PATHETIC.
[quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: j danny- "Pathetic". You forgot to mention your better qualities; Abusive, Condescending, Patronising, Self Important and Deluded.[/p][/quote]What happened to not commenting anymore? You lied, just like everything else you have posted on this thread. As for having one last attack at me before stating “I will not make any more comment on this poor lady” PATHETIC. jack daniels
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7:44am Tue 6 Dec 11

jack daniels says...

flowers22 wrote:
Lifeinthemix wrote:
from the newer report it says : Police are treating the incident as suicide. the police can call it what they want, but murdered by the Blackburn county court judge and covered up by the police is how I will report this. who was the judge? who was the soliciter acting against her?
The above comments are unjust and the person who wrote them has little, if any, understanding of the issues in the case. Tragic as the death of this young woman was it is not professionals who are responsible, as individuals we are responsible for our own actions. It is very clear that this young woman was unwell enough to care for her daughter. Professionals involved and social work assessments come in for close scrutiny and challenge in the family court/s. Support was offered but unfortunately declined. Once again social workers are vilified, "they can't do right for doing wrong". And as for the Blackburn County Court Judge and Solicitor/s acting for the Local Authority and the womans daughter, well they obviously made the correct decision based on the evidence placed before the Court.

Children's Services staff at BWD placed flowers at the scene and I would like to remind the taxi driver who "took" them on Friday afternoon to return or replace them or he/she will be named and shamed.
well said flowers. Some people would rather hang the innocent than take a look at their own flawed existence.

If social work was so easy, why don’t all these people do it?

The truth of the matter is that it’s a dirty job and many people don’t have the guts to put themselves out there.

I am just grateful that somebody will pick me when I fall…..
[quote][p][bold]flowers22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lifeinthemix[/bold] wrote: from the newer report it says : Police are treating the incident as suicide. the police can call it what they want, but murdered by the Blackburn county court judge and covered up by the police is how I will report this. who was the judge? who was the soliciter acting against her?[/p][/quote]The above comments are unjust and the person who wrote them has little, if any, understanding of the issues in the case. Tragic as the death of this young woman was it is not professionals who are responsible, as individuals we are responsible for our own actions. It is very clear that this young woman was unwell enough to care for her daughter. Professionals involved and social work assessments come in for close scrutiny and challenge in the family court/s. Support was offered but unfortunately declined. Once again social workers are vilified, "they can't do right for doing wrong". And as for the Blackburn County Court Judge and Solicitor/s acting for the Local Authority and the womans daughter, well they obviously made the correct decision based on the evidence placed before the Court. Children's Services staff at BWD placed flowers at the scene and I would like to remind the taxi driver who "took" them on Friday afternoon to return or replace them or he/she will be named and shamed.[/p][/quote]well said flowers. Some people would rather hang the innocent than take a look at their own flawed existence. If social work was so easy, why don’t all these people do it? The truth of the matter is that it’s a dirty job and many people don’t have the guts to put themselves out there. I am just grateful that somebody will pick me when I fall….. jack daniels
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11:10am Tue 6 Dec 11

gellerhick says...

jack daniels wrote:
@gellerhick To quote – “It appears that there is a lack of clarity in terms of precisely what these mistakes are and it’s absence illustrates that full consideration has not been given to my previous comment.” Yet YOU clearly write - “In relation to your first point,” “In relation to your second and third point” “In terms of your fourth and fifth point” So obviously I did make a point after all because you have read and responded to them. I’m more concerned about why you feel it appropriate to troll on this story. Is it something personal that has brought you out of the woodwork? Was it a significant life event or are you an ex-employee with an axe to grind?
Do you have significant difficulties understanding the English language or is there just a gap in your synapses that interupts the assimilation of information and results in your distorted concept of reality? There's clearly a distinction between the points you made and my "errors" It's exasperating attempting to communicate with you, since you clearly believe that you have been blessed with the gift of a sovereign view. I suspect that if you were left alone in a dark room you'd be having an altercation with yourself in an attempt to silence your conscience whilst constructing further fabrications to justify that which cannot be justified.

I am extremely disappointed that you have fallen below par and choose personal insults with the aim of justifying your nonsense and pontification re "immense legal protocols" Reflecting attention on to me is probably a wise move since you are close to breaching confidentiality and disclosing the information you possess on this case. Your obviously in defense mode and there's a reason for that. So perhaps you ought to engage in some reflective practise, rather than policing trolls, lest they uncover that which you are so desperate to protect.
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: @gellerhick To quote – “It appears that there is a lack of clarity in terms of precisely what these mistakes are and it’s absence illustrates that full consideration has not been given to my previous comment.” Yet YOU clearly write - “In relation to your first point,” “In relation to your second and third point” “In terms of your fourth and fifth point” So obviously I did make a point after all because you have read and responded to them. I’m more concerned about why you feel it appropriate to troll on this story. Is it something personal that has brought you out of the woodwork? Was it a significant life event or are you an ex-employee with an axe to grind?[/p][/quote]Do you have significant difficulties understanding the English language or is there just a gap in your synapses that interupts the assimilation of information and results in your distorted concept of reality? There's clearly a distinction between the points you made and my "errors" It's exasperating attempting to communicate with you, since you clearly believe that you have been blessed with the gift of a sovereign view. I suspect that if you were left alone in a dark room you'd be having an altercation with yourself in an attempt to silence your conscience whilst constructing further fabrications to justify that which cannot be justified. I am extremely disappointed that you have fallen below par and choose personal insults with the aim of justifying your nonsense and pontification re "immense legal protocols" Reflecting attention on to me is probably a wise move since you are close to breaching confidentiality and disclosing the information you possess on this case. Your obviously in defense mode and there's a reason for that. So perhaps you ought to engage in some reflective practise, rather than policing trolls, lest they uncover that which you are so desperate to protect. gellerhick
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12:23pm Tue 6 Dec 11

jack daniels says...

gellerhick wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
@gellerhick To quote – “It appears that there is a lack of clarity in terms of precisely what these mistakes are and it’s absence illustrates that full consideration has not been given to my previous comment.” Yet YOU clearly write - “In relation to your first point,” “In relation to your second and third point” “In terms of your fourth and fifth point” So obviously I did make a point after all because you have read and responded to them. I’m more concerned about why you feel it appropriate to troll on this story. Is it something personal that has brought you out of the woodwork? Was it a significant life event or are you an ex-employee with an axe to grind?
Do you have significant difficulties understanding the English language or is there just a gap in your synapses that interupts the assimilation of information and results in your distorted concept of reality? There's clearly a distinction between the points you made and my "errors" It's exasperating attempting to communicate with you, since you clearly believe that you have been blessed with the gift of a sovereign view. I suspect that if you were left alone in a dark room you'd be having an altercation with yourself in an attempt to silence your conscience whilst constructing further fabrications to justify that which cannot be justified.

I am extremely disappointed that you have fallen below par and choose personal insults with the aim of justifying your nonsense and pontification re "immense legal protocols" Reflecting attention on to me is probably a wise move since you are close to breaching confidentiality and disclosing the information you possess on this case. Your obviously in defense mode and there's a reason for that. So perhaps you ought to engage in some reflective practise, rather than policing trolls, lest they uncover that which you are so desperate to protect.
Hey troll.

I've been thinking about your last paragraph.

Would I need to be a social worker to engage in reflective practice?

Am I a social worker?

Err, no.

Whoops, that's another assumption on your part. Have you ever thought of taking up a career in writing fiction? You have a certain knack for it judging by your recent comments.

Still, if you are wasting your time with me, it means the real hard working Social Services staff can get on with the important work of saving lives.

Speak again soon, troll.
X
[quote][p][bold]gellerhick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: @gellerhick To quote – “It appears that there is a lack of clarity in terms of precisely what these mistakes are and it’s absence illustrates that full consideration has not been given to my previous comment.” Yet YOU clearly write - “In relation to your first point,” “In relation to your second and third point” “In terms of your fourth and fifth point” So obviously I did make a point after all because you have read and responded to them. I’m more concerned about why you feel it appropriate to troll on this story. Is it something personal that has brought you out of the woodwork? Was it a significant life event or are you an ex-employee with an axe to grind?[/p][/quote]Do you have significant difficulties understanding the English language or is there just a gap in your synapses that interupts the assimilation of information and results in your distorted concept of reality? There's clearly a distinction between the points you made and my "errors" It's exasperating attempting to communicate with you, since you clearly believe that you have been blessed with the gift of a sovereign view. I suspect that if you were left alone in a dark room you'd be having an altercation with yourself in an attempt to silence your conscience whilst constructing further fabrications to justify that which cannot be justified. I am extremely disappointed that you have fallen below par and choose personal insults with the aim of justifying your nonsense and pontification re "immense legal protocols" Reflecting attention on to me is probably a wise move since you are close to breaching confidentiality and disclosing the information you possess on this case. Your obviously in defense mode and there's a reason for that. So perhaps you ought to engage in some reflective practise, rather than policing trolls, lest they uncover that which you are so desperate to protect.[/p][/quote]Hey troll. I've been thinking about your last paragraph. Would I need to be a social worker to engage in reflective practice? Am I a social worker? Err, no. Whoops, that's another assumption on your part. Have you ever thought of taking up a career in writing fiction? You have a certain knack for it judging by your recent comments. Still, if you are wasting your time with me, it means the real hard working Social Services staff can get on with the important work of saving lives. Speak again soon, troll. X jack daniels
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5:26pm Tue 6 Dec 11

macduke says...

Wow this article has certainly ruffled a few feathers , as brother of this yet to be named person(Sharon),whils
t as a family we appreciate peoples thoughts ,etc , some of the comments are OTT , as 1st of all BwD had nought to do with this case as it was a LCC case , and as for the case Sharon had not just lost the case on the day as it had been ongoing for a while , and although this was the final hearing Sharon was fully aware of the outcome before arriving at Court. I for one hold no one responsible , yes mistakes happen ,etc.who knows after the inquest we might all have a better understanding as people have reported that Sharon was drinking , which for Her was quite rare, One thing that saddens me is that on the day it happened and also on the friday I came to Blackburn to see where Sharon had died , but saw no signs ,and to read that a taxi driver had stolen some flowers that had been left really saddens , as a society have we really gone that bad ? I now know where the sad event happened due to this paper having printed the picture so I know I was not too far away .
Wow this article has certainly ruffled a few feathers , as brother of this yet to be named person(Sharon),whils t as a family we appreciate peoples thoughts ,etc , some of the comments are OTT , as 1st of all BwD had nought to do with this case as it was a LCC case , and as for the case Sharon had not just lost the case on the day as it had been ongoing for a while , and although this was the final hearing Sharon was fully aware of the outcome before arriving at Court. I for one hold no one responsible , yes mistakes happen ,etc.who knows after the inquest we might all have a better understanding as people have reported that Sharon was drinking , which for Her was quite rare, One thing that saddens me is that on the day it happened and also on the friday I came to Blackburn to see where Sharon had died , but saw no signs ,and to read that a taxi driver had stolen some flowers that had been left really saddens , as a society have we really gone that bad ? I now know where the sad event happened due to this paper having printed the picture so I know I was not too far away . macduke
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8:23pm Tue 6 Dec 11

ossym says...

jack daniels wrote:
ossym wrote:
j danny- "Pathetic".

You forgot to mention your better qualities;

Abusive, Condescending, Patronising, Self Important and Deluded.
What happened to not commenting anymore?

You lied, just like everything else you have posted on this thread.

As for having one last attack at me before stating “I will not make any more comment on this poor lady”

PATHETIC.
Yes youre right you are pathetic, forgot to say also obnoxious and clearly wrong with your response as I have not commented again on this lady.
If anyone is a troll it is you with your provocative smokescreen tactics presumably to protect your pathetic self and/or buddies.

Anyway Ill leave it there for now as I guess Macduke and family will feel inclined to look at this again and again every time you add your pathetic and errant minutiae, besides I have got work to do, I do hope you arent spending too much "work" time composing your rambling trolls.
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ossym[/bold] wrote: j danny- "Pathetic". You forgot to mention your better qualities; Abusive, Condescending, Patronising, Self Important and Deluded.[/p][/quote]What happened to not commenting anymore? You lied, just like everything else you have posted on this thread. As for having one last attack at me before stating “I will not make any more comment on this poor lady” PATHETIC.[/p][/quote]Yes youre right you are pathetic, forgot to say also obnoxious and clearly wrong with your response as I have not commented again on this lady. If anyone is a troll it is you with your provocative smokescreen tactics presumably to protect your pathetic self and/or buddies. Anyway Ill leave it there for now as I guess Macduke and family will feel inclined to look at this again and again every time you add your pathetic and errant minutiae, besides I have got work to do, I do hope you arent spending too much "work" time composing your rambling trolls. ossym
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10:14pm Tue 6 Dec 11

Pebbles3 says...

Ian,
My heart goes out to you, I pass by this car park every morning on the bus & when it stops for a minute since Thursday I've said RIP and little messages to your sister. As like you I lost my sister to suicide 2 years ago with a mental illness, luckily my niece was 16 when it started and 18 when she died but the amounts of times in that 2 years she rang me screaming to help her mum & she had locked herself in her room for safety and crisis team would not come to help us, I was the one who had to go over sometimes twice a day. My sister had a beautiful home, a career we don't know what triggered her downfall no1 did. In fact I have no faith in the mental health system or team anymore after one said if you want to kill yourself to my sister you would take more than X you would take such an amount and that is exactly what my sister took & from that conversion I had to switch my sisters life support machine off with my niece by my side, so anyone hear preaching about SS or NHS tell my niece I am sure she would like to listen where you were for 2 years!! Anyway I've gone off on a tangent what I really wanted to say Ian is you will get through this as a family, suicide leaves you very angry at your sibling who you love unconditionally for leaving everyone this way, (what I've learnt in the past 2 years is they didn't mean to) it leaves you hurt, helpless, heartbroken. You will go through every emotion in the book give yourself time to grief and go with these emotions, my brother held it in & that not good 2years later he in bits. Talk to your friends, mention Sharon at every opportunity talk about the goods times, the childhood times, keep your sister's memories alive, Sharon lived for 32 glorious years don't dwell on how she died too much but HOW SHE LIVED and her daughter his her legacy for you all to cherish. Most of Blackburn (the decent ones) have put RIP on their fb pages in respect of your sister last Thursday even though we didn't know her we felt for her family xx D
Ian, My heart goes out to you, I pass by this car park every morning on the bus & when it stops for a minute since Thursday I've said RIP and little messages to your sister. As like you I lost my sister to suicide 2 years ago with a mental illness, luckily my niece was 16 when it started and 18 when she died but the amounts of times in that 2 years she rang me screaming to help her mum & she had locked herself in her room for safety and crisis team would not come to help us, I was the one who had to go over sometimes twice a day. My sister had a beautiful home, a career we don't know what triggered her downfall no1 did. In fact I have no faith in the mental health system or team anymore after one said if you want to kill yourself to my sister you would take more than X you would take such an amount and that is exactly what my sister took & from that conversion I had to switch my sisters life support machine off with my niece by my side, so anyone hear preaching about SS or NHS tell my niece I am sure she would like to listen where you were for 2 years!! Anyway I've gone off on a tangent what I really wanted to say Ian is you will get through this as a family, suicide leaves you very angry at your sibling who you love unconditionally for leaving everyone this way, (what I've learnt in the past 2 years is they didn't mean to) it leaves you hurt, helpless, heartbroken. You will go through every emotion in the book give yourself time to grief and go with these emotions, my brother held it in & that not good 2years later he in bits. Talk to your friends, mention Sharon at every opportunity talk about the goods times, the childhood times, keep your sister's memories alive, Sharon lived for 32 glorious years don't dwell on how she died too much but HOW SHE LIVED and her daughter his her legacy for you all to cherish. Most of Blackburn (the decent ones) have put RIP on their fb pages in respect of your sister last Thursday even though we didn't know her we felt for her family xx D Pebbles3
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