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Lancashire Police issue fresh icy roads warning
7:20am Monday 11th January 2010 in Barrowford
THE big thaw could be set to follow the big freeze in East Lancashire.
The Met Office predictions of heavy snowfall on Sunday didn’t materialise and the county instead woke to rain, sleet and snow showers as temperatures hovered around one degree celsius.
Warnings of widespread icy roads remain in place on Monday morning as the showers fall on frozen roads, adding to the hazardous driving conditions.
However, police reported no road-related incidents over the weekend.
Northern Rail services in the area were running as normal this morning and a number of roads have re-opened, including Blacksnape Road at Hoddlesden Road (still closed near Darwen), Bacup Road, Burnley, and Crown Point Road, Burnley.
Only a handful of East Lancashire schools are closed today.
Meanwhile, the county council roads boss has admitted they could run out of grit if the area is hit by snow again.
Coun Keith Young, Lancashire County Council's cabinet member for roads, said the authority only had enough grit for if the weather remained clear.
He said: "If we get another blizzard then, like other authorities, we are in trouble."
Blackburn with Darwen's roads chief, Coun Alan Cottam, said the borough had 'more grit than we expected' after a delivery last week.
He said bus routes would continue to get priority treatment.
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Comments(112)
CapitaBackHander
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11:21am Tue 5 Jan 10
Anyway everyone sits at home now
Davidoff
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11:23am Tue 5 Jan 10
CapitaBackHander
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11:27am Tue 5 Jan 10
Davidoff wrote:They will probably be back on later, bus company rightly just making sure the council do the job and grit and remove ice from the main roads.
Just read no bus services ... Wonder how many who have used the buses today have now found they can't get home.
CapitaBackHander
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11:31am Tue 5 Jan 10
pendleton
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11:36am Tue 5 Jan 10
Brianjw
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11:47am Tue 5 Jan 10
Rubbish as we as a species have know about snow for thousands of years. we can put a man on the moon, but can we get a snow plough and grit wagon around the streets of Barnoldswick.
As i have mentioned to the council we folk of barnoldswick do occasionally like to venture out of the town if only to bay at the full moon.
surely by now it is not beyond the wit of man to be better prepared.
Our street has NEVER been gritted for more than two years, the hill at the end had been gritted this year, maybe a couple of times.
so again I cant get of the street to my office in manchester, yet my collegues from other towns can get into Manchester.
the last time i saw the orange flashing lights, of the gritter, coming up the hill, it STOPPED at the bottom & went away!!! good god. this ridiculous, i shall be writing for a credit on my council tax for
no gritting,
no rubbish collection, despite the wagon driving passing the house, same with the recycling wagon.
I REALLY REALLY hope one of the Pendle "Executives" requires a emergency vechile and it cant get to them because of lack of gritting!
But then i bet their road is gritted!!,
One council on the news this morning actually has workers with wheel barrows & spades gritting footpaths near elderly residents and trying to grit side roads, i suppose this will be against "elf & safety"
The excuse we get of 20 year snowfall etc is rubbish, to be in the 21st century and not have some planning for such events when the Met Office, has been forecasting this for weeks, maybe the council shoul replace the seaweed in the as they are as much B***** use!
I am so angry as four people in our house are yet again unable to get off the street to go to work, putting two jobs in jeapordy for yet another no show!
Brian (steam coming out of my ears!)
Viv
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12:29pm Tue 5 Jan 10
pendlelad
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2:04pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Izanears
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2:21pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Joepublicspeaking
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2:34pm Tue 5 Jan 10
blackburner
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3:01pm Tue 5 Jan 10
your driving skills & ability especially with the snowploughs are exceptional, especially when you control the gritting wagons on steep hills and dangerous roads and free trapped H.G.Vs & cars
a tremendous effort, keep up the good work!!!!
Hopping mad
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3:12pm Tue 5 Jan 10
MerlinTheVoiceofReason
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3:25pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Brianjw wrote:Have you finished your pathetic rant now?
I have really had enough of the council saying they are "deploying all available resources"
Rubbish as we as a species have know about snow for thousands of years. we can put a man on the moon, but can we get a snow plough and grit wagon around the streets of Barnoldswick.
As i have mentioned to the council we folk of barnoldswick do occasionally like to venture out of the town if only to bay at the full moon.
surely by now it is not beyond the wit of man to be better prepared.
Our street has NEVER been gritted for more than two years, the hill at the end had been gritted this year, maybe a couple of times.
so again I cant get of the street to my office in manchester, yet my collegues from other towns can get into Manchester.
the last time i saw the orange flashing lights, of the gritter, coming up the hill, it STOPPED at the bottom & went away!!! good god. this ridiculous, i shall be writing for a credit on my council tax for
no gritting,
no rubbish collection, despite the wagon driving passing the house, same with the recycling wagon.
I REALLY REALLY hope one of the Pendle "Executives" requires a emergency vechile and it cant get to them because of lack of gritting!
But then i bet their road is gritted!!,
One council on the news this morning actually has workers with wheel barrows & spades gritting footpaths near elderly residents and trying to grit side roads, i suppose this will be against "elf & safety"
The excuse we get of 20 year snowfall etc is rubbish, to be in the 21st century and not have some planning for such events when the Met Office, has been forecasting this for weeks, maybe the council shoul replace the seaweed in the as they are as much B***** use!
I am so angry as four people in our house are yet again unable to get off the street to go to work, putting two jobs in jeapordy for yet another no show!
Brian (steam coming out of my ears!)
Thousands accross Lancs have not been able to get to work you daft so-and-so! All you can do is think of yourself, when lots of elderly people in real need are stuck inside. Get some perspective on life! It's just a bot of snow, all will be fine in a week and you can go back to work then.
Ever thought of moving to Manchester?
MerlinTheVoiceofReason
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3:29pm Tue 5 Jan 10
"As I am sure you are aware from the weather reports, the Greater Manchester, Lancashire and Cheshire Counties have had a considerable amount of snow fall over the past few hours. This has severely affected all of the major transportation routes into Manchester, meaning that we have very few staff who have managed to make it into the office. Obviously the postal/courier services have also been affected."
DON'T THINK YOU ARE ALONE!
hasslem hasslem
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3:59pm Tue 5 Jan 10
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In fairness there were contributions from Burnley and Pendle buses, Lancashire Police, Blackburn Royal Hospital etc.
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However, one organisation was conspicuous by their omission. That was Lancashire County Council, who are charged with maintaining the public highways. Not a whistle, not a dickie bird. Even the Ostriches were facing up.....but not our dear Lancashire County Council.
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I have no quibble with the poor guys who drive the trucks - they are obviously driving in extreme coditions and doing long hours. My beef is with Management and Administrators, who seem clueless. GRIT doesn't go off.
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As Johnny Rotten once said "Ever got the feeling your being had?"
And as for the clown who says enjoy it....the snow has been in my village since 17th December, the grit bin has been empty since the 18th December....nobody is nicking grit for their drives - nobody has any driveways.
RAyzer
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4:07pm Tue 5 Jan 10
wotever
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4:09pm Tue 5 Jan 10
whereistedward
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4:20pm Tue 5 Jan 10
hasslem hasslem wrote:Shouldn't have moved to such an out of the way spot !! Maybe hasslem didn't notice the very big hill near his property ?!!
Listened to Radio Lancashire all morning for updates on traffic, public services etc. . In fairness there were contributions from Burnley and Pendle buses, Lancashire Police, Blackburn Royal Hospital etc. . However, one organisation was conspicuous by their omission. That was Lancashire County Council, who are charged with maintaining the public highways. Not a whistle, not a dickie bird. Even the Ostriches were facing up.....but not our dear Lancashire County Council. . I have no quibble with the poor guys who drive the trucks - they are obviously driving in extreme coditions and doing long hours. My beef is with Management and Administrators, who seem clueless. GRIT doesn't go off. . As Johnny Rotten once said "Ever got the feeling your being had?" And as for the clown who says enjoy it....the snow has been in my village since 17th December, the grit bin has been empty since the 18th December....nobody is nicking grit for their drives - nobody has any driveways.
But I agree with his comments about the Tory controlled County Council !
Maybe hasslem could have a word with his mate Mr Cameron ?!
hasslem hasslem
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4:35pm Tue 5 Jan 10
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didnt realise that she was engalnd's answer to marionne antoinette....but if the pipes freeze up maybe she say "let them drink cristal".
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whislt on the subject of politics (i am jedward, no tory, i am agnostic) my understanding is that labour were in control of lcc last year and we had exactly the same issues (but over a less sustained period). so, it would seem that all politicians are totally useless and just are keen to blame the other side and quote lies as statistics. dont take me on jedward, you lose every time. (how long have we been in recession?)
CapitaBackHander
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4:35pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Viv wrote:No in answer to your moronic question. I was stating fact, last night the A666 in Darwen had NOT been gritted and it had in Bolton. I know how grit works and the main way it works is that a grit lorry has to pass the road while actually spreading it. This had not been done upto 9pm but after 10pm it was like I said.
Do you wander around with your eyes shut Capitabackhander? I saw gritters working on Sunday night and Monday morning in Darwen - they drove past my house. Some people think grit is some sort of fairy dust that makes snow magicallly disappear. Take today for example - right now it looks like the road in front of my house (I live on a key route) LOOKS like it hasn't been gritted BUT I KNOW it has - the gritter went past spreading grit aboput 30 mins ago. Because of the snow falling and people heeding advise not to drive it hasn't been ground into the snow properly. Hardly the councils fault I would have thought.
hasslem hasslem
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4:39pm Tue 5 Jan 10
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prat!.
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there seems to be no national policy which you would think would be determined by the dept of transport. now who has been in power since 1997?
whereistedward
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4:43pm Tue 5 Jan 10
hasslem hasslem wrote:The Tories have been in control of LCC for half of last year and they (and your Lib-Dem pals) constantly criticised Labour's gritting policy. They could have changed it.
and maybe jedward - you could have a word with your boss janet - no doubt she will be filling in her expenses form for loads of grit to line her drive. - will she put it down as part of her £400 per month food expenses. . didnt realise that she was engalnd's answer to marionne antoinette....but if the pipes freeze up maybe she say "let them drink cristal". . whislt on the subject of politics (i am jedward, no tory, i am agnostic) my understanding is that labour were in control of lcc last year and we had exactly the same issues (but over a less sustained period). so, it would seem that all politicians are totally useless and just are keen to blame the other side and quote lies as statistics. dont take me on jedward, you lose every time. (how long have we been in recession?)
Janet Anderson MP sensibly moved to a street which is on a grit route. Maybe you did too ? Shame the Tory County Council hasn't gritted it nor re-filled the grit box !!
Or maybe they did grit the lane, only for the grit to fail to have the magical properties to remove 8" of snow ?
Mmmm....I live on a mountain side...have I bought 'winter' tyres or chains for the tyres ?
burner
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4:44pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Honourable MP?
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4:58pm Tue 5 Jan 10
BWDBC have run out of grit and are buying table salt! It just about sums up the service we receive from the people we've elected to spend our council tax.
We've been told that only A & B roads will be gritted to preserve stocks. Why then, for instance, has Pleasington Road, been regularly gritted over the holiday period whilst other (shall we say more underprivileged) areas been neglected?
The people who drive the gritters have done a fantastic job but are sadley hampered by the people paid to make decisons.
I think that BWDBC really need to adopt a more open and honest approach. I quite willing to revise my opinion/comments if anyone as a more informed view.
Jim Swanton
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5:13pm Tue 5 Jan 10
ganja man
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5:20pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Working class areas( those with a high indices of deprivation) receive little gritting compared with high income middle class areas.
THIS can be observed in Nelson!
This is the result of negative bias against the poor and weak in our society.
IT is a disgrace and one that poor people need to come together and raise with Lancashire County Councillors and the TORIES in power.
WHY have the streets in NELSON around primary schools NOT been gritted for the last 4 weeks?
REFUSE to pay your council tax until the "middle class mandarins" sort this out!
ganja man
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5:20pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Working class areas( those with a high indices of deprivation) receive little gritting compared with high income middle class areas.
THIS can be observed in Nelson!
This is the result of negative bias against the poor and weak in our society.
IT is a disgrace and one that poor people need to come together and raise with Lancashire County Councillors and the TORIES in power.
WHY have the streets in NELSON around primary schools NOT been gritted for the last 4 weeks?
REFUSE to pay your council tax until the "middle class mandarins" sort this out!
ganja man
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5:20pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Working class areas( those with a high indices of deprivation) receive little gritting compared with high income middle class areas.
THIS can be observed in Nelson!
This is the result of negative bias against the poor and weak in our society.
IT is a disgrace and one that poor people need to come together and raise with Lancashire County Councillors and the TORIES in power.
WHY have the streets in NELSON around primary schools NOT been gritted for the last 4 weeks?
REFUSE to pay your council tax until the "middle class mandarins" sort this out!
CapitaBackHander
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5:57pm Tue 5 Jan 10
ganja man
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6:02pm Tue 5 Jan 10
CapitaBackHander
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6:04pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Surely you only run out if poor management is involved and you don't purchase enough?
Honourable MP?
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6:30pm Tue 5 Jan 10
I wish it was a joke but it's been reported but the LET so it must be true. I must admit that I howled with laughter when I read the article, perhaps the weather is turning me
into a wolf (steady ganja man, you're not having a trip.)
I wonder whether BWDBC ever run out of Claret or do they have sufficient space to store large quantities? If not they could use the empty salt bins ;)
ghanto
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6:50pm Tue 5 Jan 10
dont care for limited services nor care for childrens safety
can be shut for xmas for over 2 weeks but cannot close the school for 2 days due to such condition
every school in blackburn runs the same however st thomas school is different
if it such condition dont send your children
it far worth then not going to school for over 4 weeks after suffering injury
Mr-Reasonable
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7:50pm Tue 5 Jan 10
slackerbtch
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8:05pm Tue 5 Jan 10
burner
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8:30pm Tue 5 Jan 10
whereistedward
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8:56pm Tue 5 Jan 10
hasslem hasslem wrote:You are the prat !! There is absolutely no national policy on re-filling grit bins. It is entirely down to your council - maybe the parish council for your area could purchase grit to re-fill the bin ? Why don't you go to the next meeting and put the idea forward ? (goodness - a positive suggestion instead of all the moans !!)
jedward - where did i complain about living on pendle hill, regardless of where i live the issue of empty grit bins is a generic one, nothing to do with where i live. . prat!. . there seems to be no national policy which you would think would be determined by the dept of transport. now who has been in power since 1997?
Maybe you could post the comments from your Tory County Councillor after you contacted her ??
hasslem hasslem
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9:15pm Tue 5 Jan 10
whereistedward wrote:labout councillor david smith and employee of janet anderson you behave like a numpty.
hasslem hasslem wrote: jedward - where did i complain about living on pendle hill, regardless of where i live the issue of empty grit bins is a generic one, nothing to do with where i live. . prat!. . there seems to be no national policy which you would think would be determined by the dept of transport. now who has been in power since 1997?You are the prat !! There is absolutely no national policy on re-filling grit bins. It is entirely down to your council - maybe the parish council for your area could purchase grit to re-fill the bin ? Why don't you go to the next meeting and put the idea forward ? (goodness - a positive suggestion instead of all the moans !!) Maybe you could post the comments from your Tory County Councillor after you contacted her ??
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i was talking about the overall issue of gritting being a national issue. not my grit bin in my village - hence gritting being generic.
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next thing you will be telling me that there are record levels of strawberry production in east anglia due to our brillliant leader president brown. how about record levels of steel production in the steelworks of teeside.
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for your information i have contacted my local councillor and tried to establish contact with lancashire county council - both the highways dept and the councillor. don't see what it is to do with you.
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you suggest i should have chains for my car, without realising that these are illegal. perhaps you would be a witness for me in court when i get arrested for using these and damaging the road surface.
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i would have thought that the establishment of a priority network of roads throughout the country would have some link to a national transport policy - after all the weather seems to affect the whole of the country. then again what do i know?
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tell me david how long has the country been in recession compared to germany? honest answers only please.
ganja man
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9:41pm Tue 5 Jan 10
So clearly it not from the "Edwardian era" but an issue of relevance in the 21st century. You need to get the facts before making baseless statements which you continually continue to do.
This event is not a record snow event.
In the 1960's, 1970's and 1980's snow would fall to a depth of several feet regularly. There was less chaos then due to EFFECTIVE GRITTING of all main streets in towns both by gritters and by workmen. Those were the days! "Burner" can you remember that far back?
AS for communism credit has to given to countries ruled by communist governments at the time who despite harsh winters and huge amounts of snow continued to function normally. Yugoslavia, Poland, East Germany, Ukraine, Georgia, Russia, China.
so lets follow these countries and waft the red flag to help us cope better with these conditions
Hopping mad
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10:03pm Tue 5 Jan 10
I walk to work in these conditions. I then do my best, whether that be refuse collecting or driving on trecherous roads with grit throwing it out on where-ever I'm told to.
Only for me to read about how bad the council workers are and your bin as not been emptied. How inspiring you all are.
May I make a suggestion for next year. Maybe we should drop care for the elderly, childrens services and health promotions as long as you can drive to work eh.
happycyclist
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10:19pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Big pile of grit in the lorry that they were ferrying in a wheelbarrow to pedestrian areas outside thetown hall. Sounds good, huh?
Wrong. There was four or five inches of snow on the ground and the muppets were scattering spadefuls over entire areas of snow -a complete and utter waste of grit/salt.
They should have cleared pathways with their spades and gritted those. Instead, 8 hours later, the town centre is just one big mush of snow.
Absolutely unbelieveable. Morons.
They might as well have gone up on the moors and just scattered it around. Pointless. I haven't the words (without swearing) to describe this sort of stupidity.
Hopping mad
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10:26pm Tue 5 Jan 10
happycyclist wrote:If your so much of an expert at gritting, why don't you get off your backside and nip up to the depot at davyfield road and come out with us and show us morons how its done? I will even give up my meagre £6 an hour. See you at 7.30am then.
There was a lorry full of grit out in Darwen town centre this afternoon. Big pile of grit in the lorry that they were ferrying in a wheelbarrow to pedestrian areas outside thetown hall. Sounds good, huh? Wrong. There was four or five inches of snow on the ground and the muppets were scattering spadefuls over entire areas of snow -a complete and utter waste of grit/salt. They should have cleared pathways with their spades and gritted those. Instead, 8 hours later, the town centre is just one big mush of snow. Absolutely unbelieveable. Morons. They might as well have gone up on the moors and just scattered it around. Pointless. I haven't the words (without swearing) to describe this sort of stupidity.
burger face
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10:41pm Tue 5 Jan 10
CapitaBackHander
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10:49pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Hopping mad wrote:I was going to say (again) that people were not moaning at the council employees who do the physical work but indeed the mouth pieces. How ever if HappyCyclist description is correct (think so) then there comes a point when you have to have common sense or balls to say to your boss "what is the point in this? we should shovel it off first."
happycyclist wrote: There was a lorry full of grit out in Darwen town centre this afternoon. Big pile of grit in the lorry that they were ferrying in a wheelbarrow to pedestrian areas outside thetown hall. Sounds good, huh? Wrong. There was four or five inches of snow on the ground and the muppets were scattering spadefuls over entire areas of snow -a complete and utter waste of grit/salt. They should have cleared pathways with their spades and gritted those. Instead, 8 hours later, the town centre is just one big mush of snow. Absolutely unbelieveable. Morons. They might as well have gone up on the moors and just scattered it around. Pointless. I haven't the words (without swearing) to describe this sort of stupidity.If your so much of an expert at gritting, why don't you get off your backside and nip up to the depot at davyfield road and come out with us and show us morons how its done? I will even give up my meagre £6 an hour. See you at 7.30am then.
p.s. If your offer was serious I would actually take you up on the offer. No doubt my back would hurt but I would be happy to help the community.
CapitaBackHander
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10:51pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Noiticer
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10:31am Wed 6 Jan 10
To those who sat in traffic jams and live and work within a mile or two of a station perhaps it would be worth noting that our local rail service is running well.
CAG1
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11:06am Wed 6 Jan 10
Get over it.
happycyclist
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11:50am Wed 6 Jan 10
CapitaBackHander wrote:I'd take him up on the offer, too, out of civic spirit. I wouldn't be able to do too much because I too have a fragile lower back, but I would be willing if the council made an organised call for volunteers. However, I'm not about to wander around Darwen on my own with a spade.
Hopping mad wrote:I was going to say (again) that people were not moaning at the council employees who do the physical work but indeed the mouth pieces. How ever if HappyCyclist description is correct (think so) then there comes a point when you have to have common sense or balls to say to your boss "what is the point in this? we should shovel it off first."
happycyclist wrote: There was a lorry full of grit out in Darwen town centre this afternoon. Big pile of grit in the lorry that they were ferrying in a wheelbarrow to pedestrian areas outside thetown hall. Sounds good, huh? Wrong. There was four or five inches of snow on the ground and the muppets were scattering spadefuls over entire areas of snow -a complete and utter waste of grit/salt. They should have cleared pathways with their spades and gritted those. Instead, 8 hours later, the town centre is just one big mush of snow. Absolutely unbelieveable. Morons. They might as well have gone up on the moors and just scattered it around. Pointless. I haven't the words (without swearing) to describe this sort of stupidity.If your so much of an expert at gritting, why don't you get off your backside and nip up to the depot at davyfield road and come out with us and show us morons how its done? I will even give up my meagre £6 an hour. See you at 7.30am then.
p.s. If your offer was serious I would actually take you up on the offer. No doubt my back would hurt but I would be happy to help the community.
If the council had the nous to organise volunteer groups in times like this, they might be quietly surprised at all the big mouths like me who would be willing to assist.
And I wouldn't want your money.
ice ice baby
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1:00pm Wed 6 Jan 10
Hopping mad wrote:Well said Hopping mad!!
happycyclist wrote: There was a lorry full of grit out in Darwen town centre this afternoon. Big pile of grit in the lorry that they were ferrying in a wheelbarrow to pedestrian areas outside thetown hall. Sounds good, huh? Wrong. There was four or five inches of snow on the ground and the muppets were scattering spadefuls over entire areas of snow -a complete and utter waste of grit/salt. They should have cleared pathways with their spades and gritted those. Instead, 8 hours later, the town centre is just one big mush of snow. Absolutely unbelieveable. Morons. They might as well have gone up on the moors and just scattered it around. Pointless. I haven't the words (without swearing) to describe this sort of stupidity.If your so much of an expert at gritting, why don't you get off your backside and nip up to the depot at davyfield road and come out with us and show us morons how its done? I will even give up my meagre £6 an hour. See you at 7.30am then.
People are too quick to moan about the gritters - yes the roads are icy - its winter!!!!
I've travelled out today, and the roads are not too bad - i live on a side road (at the bottom of a hill) and once i managed to get out of there it was not too bad. This morning i got the train to Accrington - they are running a normal service.
My bins have not been emptied for four weeks either - so what! its really not the end of the world!!!
People in this thread are clearly enjoying a good moan. You've had a go at the schools, now lets start on the gritters - how many of you would actually want to dothe job of a gritter - honestly???
I can think of a million and one other things to moan about (if i could really be bothered)...
Get over it and leave the people who are actually doing the best they can to get on with it.
Once last thing: Hopping Mad - did any of these wingers actually come and help you out this morning? I think i know the answer
emertonbrokemyhand
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1:20pm Wed 6 Jan 10
I am getting bored with Snow Stories
happycyclist
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2:00pm Wed 6 Jan 10
But go down Darwen today and you can see where the snow has been cleared and then gritted and the places where the grit was just scattered over snow.
I'm no expert, but the resources could have been better used.
Does anyone seriously think that if I'd gone to the grit team and eithera) offer to help or b) suggested a better way of doing it, that anyone would have taken any notice of me?
Perhaps if the council had a database of volunteers who were willing to go out and help the crews, and could provide us with suitable snow-clearing spades/shovels (not garden spades) and stiff brushes, they might get some help. There are lessons that can be learned from things like this if anyone in authority is prepared to take a little gamble.
Davidoff
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2:27pm Wed 6 Jan 10
As of moments ago I see that many of Lancashire United's services are still not running. The UK is and always had differing weather positions, simply because of where it's positioned on the hemisphere. Yet, every year, we seem very ill prepared for this kind of weather. The idea of such situations is to learn from them so then next time things are better prepared. That roll lies solely in the hands of the authorities not the general public. It is the authorities the general public look to in times of emergency.
Snow wheels could be fitted or modified onto buses. Yes, it costs money and Lancashire United continue on about LOSING money but keeping services off the roads isn't going to gain them any is it. Darwen has already suffered with an apalling bus service for over 4 months now, there are now some areas in the town with NO service running. No, not everyone can get family, friends, neighbours (depends where you live in Darwen TBH if you CAN ask your neighbour; those living here will know what I mean there) to run them in a car. For those people, some elderly, they'll be trapped in their homes. And this weather is in NO way anywhere near the level of snow experienced in countries that have it daily nearly all year round. Yet, we are now all at the mercy of it. Why? Because services yet again were not ready. It's not the gritter drivers fault but the people higher up whom after all these years still do not have an emergency plan in place. As a service user, tax payer I have every right to voice these concerns BTW. It's not moaning. As for schoolchildren, maybe you'd like to have seen how some of them behaved yesterday in Darwen.
I always think of others, but I also look at the bigger picture.
Davidoff
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2:42pm Wed 6 Jan 10
Yet, I am forever seeing selfishness wherever I look. In the shops last week, Sainsbury(s). Panic shopping on a scale appearing to indicate the end of the world. Wonder how many thought to NOT take 10 loaves of bread off the shelf, so someone else could at least get one loaf and not got without. There was no milk yesterday in some shops. Online, in the street, you name it. If people thought more about others in the world then it would be a start towards making it better.
I will say no more.
skeptic
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2:48pm Wed 6 Jan 10
skeptic
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3:04pm Wed 6 Jan 10
Pennine Lad
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4:53pm Wed 6 Jan 10
Hopping mad wrote:Thank you 'Hopping mad' for one of the few sensible comments in this thread of stories and comments.
Can I just say without getting into a class war and I know because I work for the council. That if you think that the council treats one class or culture over another you are sadly deluded. I have not had my bin emptied, I have no grit on my road and yes I pay my council tax the same as all of you. I walk to work in these conditions. I then do my best, whether that be refuse collecting or driving on trecherous roads with grit throwing it out on where-ever I'm told to. Only for me to read about how bad the council workers are and your bin as not been emptied. How inspiring you all are. May I make a suggestion for next year. Maybe we should drop care for the elderly, childrens services and health promotions as long as you can drive to work eh.
I don't work for the Council, but I do value our public services. They are by no means perfect, but all this moaning and whingeing is pathetic.
happycyclist
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5:07pm Wed 6 Jan 10
I moan a lot, it's true, but I think some of that is frustration.
It wouldn't/shouldn't be too difficult to have a volunteer database with the sort of skills/things you can muck in with (a tick box identifying the things and areas you would be willing to help out in?). If there only a few, then text/ring/email them. If there are a lot, then put out messages on LT website/Council website/radio calling for volunteers. It would obviously depend on people's circumstances, as to when and if they could help with any given situation...
And then I suppose we'd get all the bloody bureaucracy, H&S crap, insurance problems, etc .... aw forget it, I'll stick to moaning.
ganja man
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5:53pm Wed 6 Jan 10
The motorway is clear and the main routes into Nelson are clear.
When over 90% of children who attend primary schools in nelson live within a 5-10 minute walk from the school.
Why then can the schools NOT open??
It is clear that the closures are to suit the comfort of the teachers within these schools.
The buses and trains have been running!
Hospitals remain open!
Council offices are open!
Why can these teachers not be prepared to WALK part of the way to school INSTEAD of wanting to park outside the main entrance to school!
Primary school headteachers and the governors need to be asked SERIOUS questions as to why they are not open on Thursday?
They have had over 3 days to devise contingency plans!!
Better still look it up in the "paper policies and plans" kept inside schools
ganja man
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5:53pm Wed 6 Jan 10
The motorway is clear and the main routes into Nelson are clear.
When over 90% of children who attend primary schools in nelson live within a 5-10 minute walk from the school.
Why then can the schools NOT open??
It is clear that the closures are to suit the comfort of the teachers within these schools.
The buses and trains have been running!
Hospitals remain open!
Council offices are open!
Why can these teachers not be prepared to WALK part of the way to school INSTEAD of wanting to park outside the main entrance to school!
Primary school headteachers and the governors need to be asked SERIOUS questions as to why they are not open on Thursday?
They have had over 3 days to devise contingency plans!!
Better still look it up in the "paper policies and plans" kept inside schools
RAyzer
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8:15pm Wed 6 Jan 10
RAyzer
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8:23pm Wed 6 Jan 10
skeptic wrote:pal,il explain.......counci
regarding your comments RAyzer i wasnt aware MPs and councilors emptied your bins thought it was done by refuse collectors!!! so you would rather a refuse vehicle drove round the streets and slid into parked vehicles what cost to the tax payers then the councils insurance would have to pay then bang goes the premium!!
llers and MPS have had all the cash,hence no gritt...they wouldnt slide if gritted!!!!is that easy enough...the roads should be gritted.....100 million in aid to yemen and weve no gritt....YEMEN???WHA
T THE ????whats happening to this once great country
slave
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9:01pm Wed 6 Jan 10
Stone Island
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9:33pm Wed 6 Jan 10
RAyzer wrote:After 13 years of 'Lily-livered Labour'
skeptic wrote: regarding your comments RAyzer i wasnt aware MPs and councilors emptied your bins thought it was done by refuse collectors!!! so you would rather a refuse vehicle drove round the streets and slid into parked vehicles what cost to the tax payers then the councils insurance would have to pay then bang goes the premium!!pal,il explain.......counci llers and MPS have had all the cash,hence no gritt...they wouldnt slide if gritted!!!!is that easy enough...the roads should be gritted.....100 million in aid to yemen and weve no gritt....YEMEN???WHA T THE ????whats happening to this once great country
i think we can take the 'Great' out of Britain.
Lifeinthemix
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10:46pm Wed 6 Jan 10
Heres something to see while the snow melts :
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http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=HgkCw8_rI
Vw
ladysal
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8:44am Thu 7 Jan 10
Really? If that is the case, then how come Halfords etc are selling them for use in the current weather? I don't honestly think the police have got so little on their plate that they will be worried about the relatively slight damage these will do compared to the much bigger problem of road surface break down caused by the freeze / thaw that the weather is producing. They are more likely to applaud the sense involved in making essential journeys in a car equipped for the current conditions.
paolowhite
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8:45am Thu 7 Jan 10
ewoodman
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9:05am Thu 7 Jan 10
burner
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10:27am Thu 7 Jan 10
weather observer
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1:22pm Thu 7 Jan 10
ganja man wrote:Notes from the Huncoat Weather Station
Why are the Council's not better prepared? Pendle Borough Council is a disgrace after many streets in Nelson were not gritted. I was walking this morning when i saw the result of this failure an ambulance unable to get up Railway st in Nelson and at the top of this main street was a school double decker bus stuck and sliding down the hill. Where is the gritting plan the LIB DEMS promised? In event of emergency ambulances, police cars and fire engines are UNABLE to get up ad down most streets in Nelson. What a disaster! Cut the pay of senior managers and chief executives and spend it on buying extra grit and gritters for Pendle. What do people pay their council tax for??
This winter compared to the past
December – lowest temperature -5.3, 9 days of snow lying up to 4 inches deep
January – lowest temperature -7.2, 7 days of snow lying (so far) up to 6 inches deep
January - The deepest lying snow for over 20 years
The longest lasting snow for 20 years (10 days in 1991)
The lowest January temperature for 24 years (-13 in 1987)
The lowest monthly temperature for 16 years (-8.8 in December 1995)
fatgit
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2:05pm Thu 7 Jan 10
ganja man wrote:Actually, I can understand why there are school closures.
Why are the primary schools in nelson going to be closed on Thursday??
The motorway is clear and the main routes into Nelson are clear.
When over 90% of children who attend primary schools in nelson live within a 5-10 minute walk from the school.
Why then can the schools NOT open??
It is clear that the closures are to suit the comfort of the teachers within these schools.
The buses and trains have been running!
Hospitals remain open!
Council offices are open!
Why can these teachers not be prepared to WALK part of the way to school INSTEAD of wanting to park outside the main entrance to school!
Primary school headteachers and the governors need to be asked SERIOUS questions as to why they are not open on Thursday?
They have had over 3 days to devise contingency plans!!
Better still look it up in the "paper policies and plans" kept inside schools
Firstly, many teachers, support staff etc don't live locally. Gone are the days when people lived close to their place of work, we're a more mobile country than ever - a lot of people commute many miles to get to work, and that journey may currently be impossible or unsafe.
Schools have to have a minimum number of staff to operate safely, and that's for the children's safety. There are ratio's of Adults:Children that have to be met and so on.
If the staff can't physically get to the schools, they can't open.
Not only that, but it also becomes unsafe to allow children on the grounds due to ice etc.
Many schools are pretty old, and lack of funding and investment by successive Governments and County Councils also means many have very inefficient and unreliable heating systems, that often break down, or can't cope below certain temperatures. Again, there are strict laws on temperature levels in schools, as there are in the workplace. As a parent myself (although mine are no longer in school), I would have blown a fuse if the school had made my kids sit there for 8 hours in the freezing cold.
I know, like me, you probably went to school in all kinds of weather, and spent many hours on ice slides down the playground, on your backside, your belly, never knowing if you'd stop before the fence - but we also happen to live in a Compensation Society now - a kid grazes their knee on their way down a slippery path, and the school gets sued. Madness, but we made this society we live in, and also, parents have a right to expect that their children will be kept safe and sound while in the care of the school.
If a school cannot in all honesty guarantee that, they have to close.
Remember, Schools are not offering a life-saving service like Hospitals, nor are they adults making the decision to go to work or not, based on an assessment of the risk, these are children. With children, you always err on the side of caution - I accept you don't wrap them up in cotton wool, but neither do you send them down the pits.
CAG1
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3:14pm Thu 7 Jan 10
I asked him why he couldn't walk to work like I did to which he said it was too dangerous for him!
When I returned home today, my milk had been delivered and the postman had been. If these and I can get to work, why can't teachers?
gossipgirl123
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4:04pm Thu 7 Jan 10
Seriously though, well done to the milk men/women, posties, emergency services etc. for carrying on regardless.
However, schools are not an essential service and are certainly not there as a free childminding service like some parents think because they need to go to the gym or shopping or for coffee with a frend.
FATGIT explained the reasons for school closures pretty well, because sadly we do live in a compensation society.
I would have loved nothing more than to get back to work this week, with a normal routine following Christmas, however instead my oldest son is at home with me and my youngest son too because the nursery is closed. I for one don't want to take my children out on the roads/footpaths which have been partially gritted or not gritted at all, why risk injuries etc. when the messages coming out on the news on tv and radio are 'only travel if necessary'. Yes my son's school probably would have stood a better chance of opening had the route been gritted better because it was trecherous on Monday, both roads and footpaths before the bad snow, now will be even worse.
Happy sledging/snowman building!!!
Darren (Accy) Thompson
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5:46pm Thu 7 Jan 10
Norman Pitkin
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7:18pm Thu 7 Jan 10
skeptic
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7:22pm Thu 7 Jan 10
Lifeinthemix
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7:26pm Thu 7 Jan 10
So Mr Gore, I have a seven foot igloo in my front garden....
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'Global warming'.....
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Told you it was a scam, even the tv cannot out do nature..
RAyzer
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7:26pm Thu 7 Jan 10
Lifeinthemix
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7:31pm Thu 7 Jan 10
Here is what is coming next :
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Next Round For The Climate End Of The World Idiots : T Pyxidis Star Explodes :
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http://www.lifeinthe
mixtalk.com/?p=8022
Mikeee47
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7:38pm Thu 7 Jan 10
very Apt my security word for today
rock-salt, ha ha
Rational
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7:56pm Thu 7 Jan 10
fatgit
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8:55pm Thu 7 Jan 10
I think the gritting teams have done a fantastic job with the resources available to them, but the Tories at County Hall failed to plan for even a week of bad weather despite slamming the fiasco by Labour last year - just goes to show, there's not much difference in the Labservatives these days.
They promised to keep grit bins filled, so communities could keep pavements safe, and failed.
Now from memory, with temperatures as low as they were lastnight, today, and are predicted overnight, you need a very large concentration of salt:water to start it melting much higher than they use on the roads. Salt is also very corrosive, it kills plants, it affects pets and other animals etc, not something you want massive amounts of throwing about - which we are already doing.
There comes a point where you are simply wasting the grit/salt mix for the sake of it (and it's a non-renewable source too).
Lastly, I do wish certain people would do some reading up on the responsibilities of each tier of local government.
As many people above have also pointed out, District Council's (such as Burnley, Pendle etc) do not have responsibility for gritting roads or pavements - nor do they have funding to do so, County and Unitary Authorities (such as Lancashire County Council, Blackburn with Darwen) do.
Lifeinthemix
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9:03pm Thu 7 Jan 10
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What we have lost today is the will of people in their public roles to actually do their best in the role they are paid to carry out. This is the consequence of removing power from elected representatives and handing it to corporations who are concerned with maximising profit and expanding their inhfluence.
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This surely goes against what was Great Britain, I am speaking of Great Britain when it worked.
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People have forgotton what it means to exist in a free society, it does not just happen, we the people have a duty to ensure our elected representatives do what they said they would do when they wanted our votes.
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Without the people... the political system will die, they have no backup....
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The politicians need to remember what they are supposed to be doing instead of cowering under the bullying of Capita and Serco. And to add insult, both the aforementioned corporate bodies are responsible for health & safety...
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Having pensioners imprisoned in their homes without bread is not conducive to health & safety, all the local shops have run out of bread this will not do.
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it is up to we the people to make a lot of noise in the right earoles, and demand what we have already paid for is carried out, the grit comes from Cheshire so no excuse whatever...
Darren (Accy) Thompson
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10:04pm Thu 7 Jan 10
RAyzer wrote:LOL. Global Freezing you mean!!
global warming????heres your answer...its all a con...milder winters???temps have changed,risen and fallen since records began...its all a scam
retired one
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10:22pm Thu 7 Jan 10
blackburn south
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11:46pm Thu 7 Jan 10
tubby275
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1:44am Fri 8 Jan 10
A Game of Blue & White Halves
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2:21am Fri 8 Jan 10
tubby275 wrote:Have you seen her in the last 3 days?
With this cold weather the government are saying we should look after our neighbours. My 87 year old neighbour has not come to check on me once. Lazy **** hasn't taken her milk in for 3 days."
Knock on the door - ensure she's ok....
happycyclist
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7:33am Fri 8 Jan 10
Lifeinthemix wrote:Good comments, Lifeinthemix.
While walking this afternoon I walked up the coppice in the company of a local business lady who mentioned she in her younger days had worked at the gritting office. She said that in those days the county council went all out to keep the roads clear, they saw it as their duty.
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What we have lost today is the will of people in their public roles to actually do their best in the role they are paid to carry out. This is the consequence of removing power from elected representatives and handing it to corporations who are concerned with maximising profit and expanding their inhfluence.
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This surely goes against what was Great Britain, I am speaking of Great Britain when it worked.
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People have forgotton what it means to exist in a free society, it does not just happen, we the people have a duty to ensure our elected representatives do what they said they would do when they wanted our votes.
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Without the people... the political system will die, they have no backup....
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The politicians need to remember what they are supposed to be doing instead of cowering under the bullying of Capita and Serco. And to add insult, both the aforementioned corporate bodies are responsible for health & safety...
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Having pensioners imprisoned in their homes without bread is not conducive to health & safety, all the local shops have run out of bread this will not do.
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it is up to we the people to make a lot of noise in the right earoles, and demand what we have already paid for is carried out, the grit comes from Cheshire so no excuse whatever...
They've taken away our sense of pride, our dignity, our community spirit, our generosity, our personal responsibility... and they need to give it all back so that we can start to function like a people, like a nation, again.
CapitaBackHander
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10:39am Fri 8 Jan 10
tubby275 wrote:Good attempt at a joke, will go over the head of many ;)
With this cold weather the government are saying we should look after our neighbours. My 87 year old neighbour has not come to check on me once. Lazy **** hasn't taken her milk in for 3 days."
I personally have checked on 3 neighbours but was nicely surprised to find I had been beaten to it by many....
Stone Island
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11:04am Fri 8 Jan 10
A Game of Blue & White Halves wrote:D'oh!!!!!!!!!!!
tubby275 wrote: With this cold weather the government are saying we should look after our neighbours. My 87 year old neighbour has not come to check on me once. Lazy **** hasn't taken her milk in for 3 days."Have you seen her in the last 3 days? Knock on the door - ensure she's ok....
rovers-baz
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11:21am Fri 8 Jan 10
Lifeinthemix
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1:38pm Fri 8 Jan 10
The state is taking our power away from us...but....
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They can only do this if we let them...we have the power...we are the country.
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I am fighting my arse off at the moment, Peel Park basically banned me from the school for asking to see my sons exercise books...and a few other requests... Think about it...a school telling the parents what is and what is not??
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They want our power, i say I dont think so....
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The snow has definitely got people moved to comment, why do we not together lobby the telegraph to present a vote....
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The vote
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Do we allow Capita and the Crown to dictate terms to our elected representatives be it under H&S or Contingency...
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Or...
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Do we demand our elected reps do what they are mandated to do...administer the will of the people under common law?
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Crown statutes see us all as assets, common law sees us all as human beings with rights under god, and so above any king queen and pope or indeed any banker, although they are all w-bankers....
Stone Island
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5:06pm Fri 8 Jan 10
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We're DOOMED.............
now in the north
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5:45pm Fri 8 Jan 10
Having only had my car 2 weeks, and knowing the council had this dangerous situation reported counctless times, and knowing pedestrians were walking in the road to avoid the ice but cars and vans were sliding dangerously close, I never let up.
I called everyone in the council I could. Pointing out their legal responsibility AND telling them I would also report their stance to the paper incase anyone was injured or killed.
I finally got through to the Man in the ENVIRONMENTAL dept (in case anyone wants to know where to find him), who is responsible for the gritting and gritting orders...he told me straight, no one was going to come as they had run out of grit/salt for the trucks.
Eventually, I forced him to send someone out to grit manually.
It simply isnt good enough!
Despite saying otherwise, they had every intention of merely pretending they would deal with a lethal situation and never intended to deal with it at all.
Bolton council (where I live) have tried their hardest to keep up and things are only just struggling now.
Blackburn stated on the 23th, to the papers, that they had AMPLE supplies! But not only do they run out, they pretend they havent.
No wonder people die on average 8-15 years earlier in Blackburn!
now in the north
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5:47pm Fri 8 Jan 10
Stone Island
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5:57pm Fri 8 Jan 10
now in the north wrote:Thats a very good idea.
To add, Bolton council are also placing skips and big bins on many key points for people to get rid of their rubbish more easily.
CapitaBackHander
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7:00pm Fri 8 Jan 10
Stone Island wrote:Good BUT VERY OBVIOUS. You could always use the skips they have out for the Christmas trees. Don't leave name in your bag just incase a jobsworth gets out of the office. There is one opposite Lidl Darwen in the car park of i.e. Jacks DIY... Had one tree in the other day.
now in the north wrote: To add, Bolton council are also placing skips and big bins on many key points for people to get rid of their rubbish more easily.Thats a very good idea.
CapitaBackHander
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7:27pm Fri 8 Jan 10
Read it here at 12pm - traffic chaos as Darwen residents wheel their rubbish across main rd and slip down Vale Street.
I think a better idea would be for residents living on a side street to put the bins out the back alleys like normal and for the bin men and/or residents to wheel bins to the bottom or top of alley, residents to collect them later with neighbours helping. To simple?
RAyzer
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12:54pm Sat 9 Jan 10
Mikeee47
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2:02pm Sat 9 Jan 10
The country is Broken can't & do the job won't do the job, do what us brits do best & deal with it, instead of living in namby pamby land of the soft, yeah I agree we do need a better service but until the election nothing will change, & whoever gets in will have to undo all the wrongs done by this govt'.
Or chose to bring the country to a stand still, I would prefer the latter something will have to give , but in the meantime spare a thought for the old & infirm who have been imprisoned over the last 10 days can't draw their pensions, so can't buy food or pay for gas & electric, we all have legs walk to work catch the bus, get up an hour earlier to de-frost the car, stop making excuses for not getting to work or opening schools etc.
burner
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7:45pm Sat 9 Jan 10
NDT
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10:19pm Sat 9 Jan 10
enoch-powell
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10:44pm Sat 9 Jan 10
NDT wrote:NDT , You had a bump not from the road being ungritted but from your own bad driving , I have myself been to Tesco today and yes the roads are not clear but by driving sensibly have avoided any ' bumps ' , as you put it .
to late had a bump due to the bloody road not being gritted can i claim of the council for the damage or get a refund for roads not fit for purpose just keep a eye on area round tesco greenbank ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I work 20 miles from my house and have made it into work everyday and set off at 6 am , and yes I live on a great big ungritted hill , it has not been fun driving to and fro work in these conditions but my sensible driving has paid off .
If you are an experienced enough driver and know your vehicles limits then no problems should arise , even on the most trecherous of roads !
fullagrit
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10:56pm Sat 9 Jan 10
"Help me to help myself,HELP ME TO HELP MYSELF,show me the grit,SHOW ME THE GRIT GERRY".
Sorry got carried away then oopsies!!
Izanears
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11:32am Sun 10 Jan 10
donroz
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3:13pm Sun 10 Jan 10
salt and grit will not melt or deal with snow, snow ploughs will.
move the snow, then apply grit on to the bare road, remembering of course that it all has to be cleaned off afterwards.
best plan is simple, drive slowly, remember that you do not have winter tyres, and brake very gently.
how do I know this, becuase I live in Northern manitoba, where we drive on snow for six months of the year. Plough the snow, apply grit on to the road, salt alone is useless and below -10 will not work anyway, and do what we call winter driving.
and yes I do about britain, I am originally from Burnley, when I was back in december this year the one thing that sticks out compared to any other country I go to is that you drive way to fast!
Lifeinthemix
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6:57pm Sun 10 Jan 10
The word coming out of Hyndburn council is the fact Hyndburn and Blackburn and one other sold all our grit to Manchester Airport for big profits just before it began to snow.....
Somebody better pay for this....
CapitaBackHander
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10:31am Mon 11 Jan 10
Mikeee47
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6:45pm Mon 11 Jan 10
I'll cost more in repairs to these roads than it would to cover them with grit also the pavements are suffering too they have started to lift.
Oh but I forgot, theyre not repairing the pot holes either.
Well I for one won't be renewing my road fund licence.
Darwenbert
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6:13am Tue 12 Jan 10
Mikeee47
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10:18am Tue 12 Jan 10
Darwenbert wrote:Why are you shouting??
YOU CANT EXPECT ANY COUNCIL TO BUY THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF POUNDS OF GRIT JUST TO SIT THERE ALL YEAR ROUND NOT BEING USED. ITS RARE THAT WE GET THIS KIND OF WEATHER AND TO BUY ALL THE KIT REQUIRED TO DEAL WITH IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF MONEY. IF THIS WEATHER WAS EVERY YEAR THEN FAIR ENOUGH, AS IT IS ITS JUST ANOTHER THING FOR EVERYONE TO MOAN ABOUT.
You must be happy with the situation to go on & on since before Xmas,
We get Ice & snow every winter, we might not get the snow as bad but we still get tempratures of minus 5 every winter so the roads have to be salted,
Snow is not new ! we used to get snow drifts up to 6ft in places yrs ago & the only road to close would be Manchester Rd Burnley due to it's height,
Now we're in the 21st century we really should be better equipped for freak weather, the boffins keep telling us about, The weather forcasters warned us about it, what did LCC do about it????? Nothing.
The Country is Doomed were the laughing stock of Europe, Im fed up to the back teeth of having to Dig yes dig my way out of trouble, & getting stuck in the thawing Ice. If I didn't I would be stuck & not get home, but every day is getting beyond a joke,
Just spare a thought for the old folk who haven't ventured outside for over 3 weeks, can't draw their pensions to buy fuel to keep warm
Have a bit of british pride & grit,
Stop believeing what your being told, There is plenty of rock salt. Ok the winsford mine is working a full capacity to get the salt out, You won't see a haulier contracted for getting salt to our local depots, because there still tight & won't spend, the gritters have been told to go out & look busy with no salt in there holds. The truth is out there .
Stop the councils spending on silly sculpures & modern art works on roundabouts that we don't need A grassy flowerbed will do, thats where the money has gone,
we cleared streets yrs ago albeit in 2 days of heavy snow, why not now?
because we all turned namby pamby in this nanny state we call Gt Britain your all prepared to roll over & die, it's a disgrace. the local council is a disgrace, the LCC is even worse.
ganja man says...
10:37am Tue 5 Jan 10
Pendle Borough Council is a disgrace after many streets in Nelson were not gritted.
I was walking this morning when i saw the result of this failure an ambulance unable to get up Railway st in Nelson and at the top of this main street was a school double decker bus stuck and sliding down the hill.
Where is the gritting plan the LIB DEMS promised?
In event of emergency ambulances, police cars and fire engines are UNABLE to get up ad down most streets in Nelson.
What a disaster!
Cut the pay of senior managers and chief executives and spend it on buying extra grit and gritters for Pendle.
What do people pay their council tax for??