Planning inspector rejects Barnoldswick supermarket plan

AN APPLICATION to build a new Aldi superstore in Barnoldswick has been rejected over concerns it would have a negative impact on town centre shops.

Planning Inspector Robin Brooks dismissed an appeal by developer Mark Taylforth, of Pendle Projects Ltd, who wanted to build a 1,472 square metre discount supermarket at the site of the former Gas Works Yard, off Skipton Road.

Mr Brooks also raised the potential impact a new supermarket would have on the ‘fragile qualities’ of existing town centre shops.

In making his decision to uphold the West Craven area committee’s refusal, Mr Brooks said: “Of particular concern is that the appeal proposal and a (Albert Hartley) proposal on the Crownest Mill site could together establish what would be in effect a separate or alternative shopping centre on Skipton Road.

“The two new stores could operate in a complementary manner which might be to their advantage, but to the detriment of the town centre.

“A good number of customers would probably consider it no longer necessary to visit the town centre on a regular basis with predictable consequences for footfall there.

“I give particular weight to National Planning Policy Framework guidance on supporting the vitality and viability of town centres as the heart of their communities.

“Planning permission has already been granted for one major retail proposal on Skipton Road and in my view to add another there, albeit of a different scale and offer, would run counter to this guidance.

“In essence I believe that safeguarding the future of the town centre as a whole should take precedence over limited, though real, enhancement of part of the conservation area.”

Coun David Whipp, chairman of the West Craven area committee, said: “We’re pleased the decision locally has been confirmed by the Government inspector. Clearly, this is an issue where the town is divided.

“The issue that local councillors were most concerned about was the cumulative impact of two new stores opening in the town centre.

“Our judgment was backed by the inspector who came to the same view that their combined impact would be undesirable.”

Neil Watson, Pendle Council’s planning and building control manager, said: “While we want to encourage development in Pendle, sometimes harmful impacts outweigh the benefits, and unfortunately this is one of those cases.”

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9:26pm Sat 8 Jun 13

superyob says...

Shame! What Barlick needs is a major retail store, with a varied choice of affordable goods and open when needed! Too many times I've gone to Barlick on a Saturday, to find that some shops have closed at about 1.00 pm and others deciding to close at about 3.00pm. Added to this, surly, ungrateful staff and over-priced goods. Not all are of this ilk, the ones who do have a pride in the town, bend over backwards to help and make you feel welcome! The local council have really worked hard over the years to bring tourists into the town with a variety of FREE events, yet even then, some of the shopkeepers up their prices. Any opportunity to welcome people to Barlick and give them a chance to seewhat it has to offer, is lost, when certain shops don't even open or decide to close early. Later opening times and Sunday hours would be good competition and be a kick up the backside for the over-priced Co-op, which I have no doubt was one of the objectors. Can the local shopkeepers who have bleated about this store 'taking trade away' honestly say that they have NEVER shopped at a major store, or buy all their household goods, clothing, petrol etc. locally? I doubt even one fully supports the local economy. I believe there was some discussion lately regarding shops having differing 'half-days' If you can't be consistent then please don't whinge. I for one, think this is an opportunity missed!
I SHALL be using Asda, Aldi,Tesco, Morrisons & Sainsbury's in other towns as I can get what I want, when I want at a decent price!
Shame! What Barlick needs is a major retail store, with a varied choice of affordable goods and open when needed! Too many times I've gone to Barlick on a Saturday, to find that some shops have closed at about 1.00 pm and others deciding to close at about 3.00pm. Added to this, surly, ungrateful staff and over-priced goods. Not all are of this ilk, the ones who do have a pride in the town, bend over backwards to help and make you feel welcome! The local council have really worked hard over the years to bring tourists into the town with a variety of FREE events, yet even then, some of the shopkeepers up their prices. Any opportunity to welcome people to Barlick and give them a chance to seewhat it has to offer, is lost, when certain shops don't even open or decide to close early. Later opening times and Sunday hours would be good competition and be a kick up the backside for the over-priced Co-op, which I have no doubt was one of the objectors. Can the local shopkeepers who have bleated about this store 'taking trade away' honestly say that they have NEVER shopped at a major store, or buy all their household goods, clothing, petrol etc. locally? I doubt even one fully supports the local economy. I believe there was some discussion lately regarding shops having differing 'half-days' If you can't be consistent then please don't whinge. I for one, think this is an opportunity missed! I SHALL be using Asda, Aldi,Tesco, Morrisons & Sainsbury's in other towns as I can get what I want, when I want at a decent price! superyob

9:27pm Sat 8 Jun 13

bingoman1 says...

yes but the shops in barnoldswick are never open ??
yes but the shops in barnoldswick are never open ?? bingoman1

9:32pm Sat 8 Jun 13

bingoman1 says...

what barlick needs is the return of that giant open market, that was operated in the late 1970s by a PRIVATE firm, I know this would bring punters back in to barlick, that company is STILL operating markets to this day, I remember traders would queue ALL NIGHT sleeping in their vans in order to get a stall, it was packed with stalls, WHY DID IT CEASE TRADING VERY SUDDENLY ?? DOES ANYONE KNOW THE REASON ?? it wasn't through lack of trade.
what barlick needs is the return of that giant open market, that was operated in the late 1970s by a PRIVATE firm, I know this would bring punters back in to barlick, that company is STILL operating markets to this day, I remember traders would queue ALL NIGHT sleeping in their vans in order to get a stall, it was packed with stalls, WHY DID IT CEASE TRADING VERY SUDDENLY ?? DOES ANYONE KNOW THE REASON ?? it wasn't through lack of trade. bingoman1

10:41pm Sat 8 Jun 13

tonygreaves says...

Why can't the get its headlines right? This story is about the Planning Inspector rejecting the appeal, not the Council (which rejected it last year).

Tony Greaves
Why can't the get its headlines right? This story is about the Planning Inspector rejecting the appeal, not the Council (which rejected it last year). Tony Greaves tonygreaves

10:42pm Sat 8 Jun 13

tonygreaves says...

That is to say why can't you (the LT) get your headlines right!
That is to say why can't you (the LT) get your headlines right! tonygreaves

11:19pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Good call says...

superyob wrote:
Shame! What Barlick needs is a major retail store, with a varied choice of affordable goods and open when needed! Too many times I've gone to Barlick on a Saturday, to find that some shops have closed at about 1.00 pm and others deciding to close at about 3.00pm. Added to this, surly, ungrateful staff and over-priced goods. Not all are of this ilk, the ones who do have a pride in the town, bend over backwards to help and make you feel welcome! The local council have really worked hard over the years to bring tourists into the town with a variety of FREE events, yet even then, some of the shopkeepers up their prices. Any opportunity to welcome people to Barlick and give them a chance to seewhat it has to offer, is lost, when certain shops don't even open or decide to close early. Later opening times and Sunday hours would be good competition and be a kick up the backside for the over-priced Co-op, which I have no doubt was one of the objectors. Can the local shopkeepers who have bleated about this store 'taking trade away' honestly say that they have NEVER shopped at a major store, or buy all their household goods, clothing, petrol etc. locally? I doubt even one fully supports the local economy. I believe there was some discussion lately regarding shops having differing 'half-days' If you can't be consistent then please don't whinge. I for one, think this is an opportunity missed!
I SHALL be using Asda, Aldi,Tesco, Morrisons & Sainsbury's in other towns as I can get what I want, when I want at a decent price!
Of course big companies sell cheaper products, but their full of horsemeat,aspartame,
MSG and who knows what else.Buy as little from the supermarket as possible, buy meat from your local butchers, or even hunt for it (an air rifle can take small game easily) and raise chickens if possible. Grow your own food, you know exactly what is has gone into growing it, and it is easy.
[quote][p][bold]superyob[/bold] wrote: Shame! What Barlick needs is a major retail store, with a varied choice of affordable goods and open when needed! Too many times I've gone to Barlick on a Saturday, to find that some shops have closed at about 1.00 pm and others deciding to close at about 3.00pm. Added to this, surly, ungrateful staff and over-priced goods. Not all are of this ilk, the ones who do have a pride in the town, bend over backwards to help and make you feel welcome! The local council have really worked hard over the years to bring tourists into the town with a variety of FREE events, yet even then, some of the shopkeepers up their prices. Any opportunity to welcome people to Barlick and give them a chance to seewhat it has to offer, is lost, when certain shops don't even open or decide to close early. Later opening times and Sunday hours would be good competition and be a kick up the backside for the over-priced Co-op, which I have no doubt was one of the objectors. Can the local shopkeepers who have bleated about this store 'taking trade away' honestly say that they have NEVER shopped at a major store, or buy all their household goods, clothing, petrol etc. locally? I doubt even one fully supports the local economy. I believe there was some discussion lately regarding shops having differing 'half-days' If you can't be consistent then please don't whinge. I for one, think this is an opportunity missed! I SHALL be using Asda, Aldi,Tesco, Morrisons & Sainsbury's in other towns as I can get what I want, when I want at a decent price![/p][/quote]Of course big companies sell cheaper products, but their full of horsemeat,aspartame, MSG and who knows what else.Buy as little from the supermarket as possible, buy meat from your local butchers, or even hunt for it (an air rifle can take small game easily) and raise chickens if possible. Grow your own food, you know exactly what is has gone into growing it, and it is easy. Good call

11:29pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

It will go through at some stage if they really want it. TESCO can beat any council when it comes to money and I bet that is what will end up happening here, it might not end up Aldi but trust my words some big store is coming very soon.
It will go through at some stage if they really want it. TESCO can beat any council when it comes to money and I bet that is what will end up happening here, it might not end up Aldi but trust my words some big store is coming very soon. Michael@ClitheroeSince58

11:30pm Sat 8 Jun 13

willie eckerslike says...

the market company that bingoman mentions, also ran the open markets at colne and longridge, there were never any vacancies, all ways full up.
the market company that bingoman mentions, also ran the open markets at colne and longridge, there were never any vacancies, all ways full up. willie eckerslike

11:44pm Sat 8 Jun 13

coates warder says...

its funny mr greaves that your party do not have the balls to push through what most people wanted in barlick ...a supermarket ,maybe not an aldi but only the shop keepers did not want it.and most of the owners dont even live in barlick.we had a meeting at rolls where shop keepers and councillors saying tesco were only wanted by fat lazy people on coates estate . now with people on the council and shop keepers like that ,this is why i will not buy a 1p bubbly from any shop on the town square.i will buy from supermarkets and shops in skipton where i work. david whipp i used to have a lot of time for but now i have none.what really makes me mad over this is the councillors who did not want a supermarket shop at asda and morrisons in other towns...you just cant make it up.
its funny mr greaves that your party do not have the balls to push through what most people wanted in barlick ...a supermarket ,maybe not an aldi but only the shop keepers did not want it.and most of the owners dont even live in barlick.we had a meeting at rolls where shop keepers and councillors saying tesco were only wanted by fat lazy people on coates estate . now with people on the council and shop keepers like that ,this is why i will not buy a 1p bubbly from any shop on the town square.i will buy from supermarkets and shops in skipton where i work. david whipp i used to have a lot of time for but now i have none.what really makes me mad over this is the councillors who did not want a supermarket shop at asda and morrisons in other towns...you just cant make it up. coates warder

1:04am Sun 9 Jun 13

superyob says...

Good call wrote:
superyob wrote:
Shame! What Barlick needs is a major retail store, with a varied choice of affordable goods and open when needed! Too many times I've gone to Barlick on a Saturday, to find that some shops have closed at about 1.00 pm and others deciding to close at about 3.00pm. Added to this, surly, ungrateful staff and over-priced goods. Not all are of this ilk, the ones who do have a pride in the town, bend over backwards to help and make you feel welcome! The local council have really worked hard over the years to bring tourists into the town with a variety of FREE events, yet even then, some of the shopkeepers up their prices. Any opportunity to welcome people to Barlick and give them a chance to seewhat it has to offer, is lost, when certain shops don't even open or decide to close early. Later opening times and Sunday hours would be good competition and be a kick up the backside for the over-priced Co-op, which I have no doubt was one of the objectors. Can the local shopkeepers who have bleated about this store 'taking trade away' honestly say that they have NEVER shopped at a major store, or buy all their household goods, clothing, petrol etc. locally? I doubt even one fully supports the local economy. I believe there was some discussion lately regarding shops having differing 'half-days' If you can't be consistent then please don't whinge. I for one, think this is an opportunity missed!
I SHALL be using Asda, Aldi,Tesco, Morrisons & Sainsbury's in other towns as I can get what I want, when I want at a decent price!
Of course big companies sell cheaper products, but their full of horsemeat,aspartame,

MSG and who knows what else.Buy as little from the supermarket as possible, buy meat from your local butchers, or even hunt for it (an air rifle can take small game easily) and raise chickens if possible. Grow your own food, you know exactly what is has gone into growing it, and it is easy.
Aint got a garden and don't wanna rent a plot. Work full-time! What about shoes, clothes, electrical goods? It's not only meat & veg. There are 2 shops in Barlick that sell veg. One, really cheap & good quality, the other, in a high priced card shop where the price is really high. And what about after 4:00pm? No way am I being a sheep and following Barlickers there! Choice is what it's all about. Not much of that in Barlick, really, is there?
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]superyob[/bold] wrote: Shame! What Barlick needs is a major retail store, with a varied choice of affordable goods and open when needed! Too many times I've gone to Barlick on a Saturday, to find that some shops have closed at about 1.00 pm and others deciding to close at about 3.00pm. Added to this, surly, ungrateful staff and over-priced goods. Not all are of this ilk, the ones who do have a pride in the town, bend over backwards to help and make you feel welcome! The local council have really worked hard over the years to bring tourists into the town with a variety of FREE events, yet even then, some of the shopkeepers up their prices. Any opportunity to welcome people to Barlick and give them a chance to seewhat it has to offer, is lost, when certain shops don't even open or decide to close early. Later opening times and Sunday hours would be good competition and be a kick up the backside for the over-priced Co-op, which I have no doubt was one of the objectors. Can the local shopkeepers who have bleated about this store 'taking trade away' honestly say that they have NEVER shopped at a major store, or buy all their household goods, clothing, petrol etc. locally? I doubt even one fully supports the local economy. I believe there was some discussion lately regarding shops having differing 'half-days' If you can't be consistent then please don't whinge. I for one, think this is an opportunity missed! I SHALL be using Asda, Aldi,Tesco, Morrisons & Sainsbury's in other towns as I can get what I want, when I want at a decent price![/p][/quote]Of course big companies sell cheaper products, but their full of horsemeat,aspartame, MSG and who knows what else.Buy as little from the supermarket as possible, buy meat from your local butchers, or even hunt for it (an air rifle can take small game easily) and raise chickens if possible. Grow your own food, you know exactly what is has gone into growing it, and it is easy.[/p][/quote]Aint got a garden and don't wanna rent a plot. Work full-time! What about shoes, clothes, electrical goods? It's not only meat & veg. There are 2 shops in Barlick that sell veg. One, really cheap & good quality, the other, in a high priced card shop where the price is really high. And what about after 4:00pm? No way am I being a sheep and following Barlickers there! Choice is what it's all about. Not much of that in Barlick, really, is there? superyob

8:19am Sun 9 Jun 13

doggydog says...

This town is so out dated and to be honest........boring
. The shops are poor if they are open. Blink and ya miss the whole centre if ya driving down the main st.I fear that most of the residents are like the homes they live in. old fashioned and out of touch.If i am working there, i would drive out of this place regardless of distance to buy some decent grub at a decent price. Mind you, in this day of green is the way forward, it dont help but i dont care when it comes to saving my hard earned cash
This town is so out dated and to be honest........boring . The shops are poor if they are open. Blink and ya miss the whole centre if ya driving down the main st.I fear that most of the residents are like the homes they live in. old fashioned and out of touch.If i am working there, i would drive out of this place regardless of distance to buy some decent grub at a decent price. Mind you, in this day of green is the way forward, it dont help but i dont care when it comes to saving my hard earned cash doggydog

10:23am Sun 9 Jun 13

willie eckerslike says...

willie eckerslike wrote:
the market company that bingoman mentions, also ran the open markets at colne and longridge, there were never any vacancies, all ways full up.
maybe lord greaves may be able to assist in the question about the open markets closure, it is possible he may have been on the council at that time, just a thought.
[quote][p][bold]willie eckerslike[/bold] wrote: the market company that bingoman mentions, also ran the open markets at colne and longridge, there were never any vacancies, all ways full up.[/p][/quote]maybe lord greaves may be able to assist in the question about the open markets closure, it is possible he may have been on the council at that time, just a thought. willie eckerslike

11:52am Sun 9 Jun 13

coates warder says...

can someone tell me where i can buy a decent shirt ,trousers or shoes in barlick. think only the butchers are local and are competetive they give a good service where i mean open before 10am and have good quality goods and prices.the coop blackmailed the council by saying if you pass tesco we will shut our store instantly ,yes the libs caved in and people like j purcell were whooping at the meeting .by the way she was a ex-shopkeeper says it all and does shop outside barlick. these people on the council in barlick are nowt but traitors do what the shops in the centre want them to do then they all go shop at asda etc. 2 faced comes to mind.
can someone tell me where i can buy a decent shirt ,trousers or shoes in barlick. think only the butchers are local and are competetive they give a good service where i mean open before 10am and have good quality goods and prices.the coop blackmailed the council by saying if you pass tesco we will shut our store instantly ,yes the libs caved in and people like j purcell were whooping at the meeting .by the way she was a ex-shopkeeper says it all and does shop outside barlick. these people on the council in barlick are nowt but traitors do what the shops in the centre want them to do then they all go shop at asda etc. 2 faced comes to mind. coates warder

8:40am Mon 10 Jun 13

David Whipp says...

Planning approval for a supermarket has been granted on the Albert Hartley site.

A government inspector has agreed with local councillors that approving two new stores would cause a lot of damage to the town centre.

Unlike other small towns, Barnoldswick still has lots of small independent shops. A lot of visitors come to Barlick because of this.
Planning approval for a supermarket has been granted on the Albert Hartley site. A government inspector has agreed with local councillors that approving two new stores would cause a lot of damage to the town centre. Unlike other small towns, Barnoldswick still has lots of small independent shops. A lot of visitors come to Barlick because of this. David Whipp

9:15am Mon 10 Jun 13

willie eckerslike says...

David Whipp wrote:
Planning approval for a supermarket has been granted on the Albert Hartley site.

A government inspector has agreed with local councillors that approving two new stores would cause a lot of damage to the town centre.

Unlike other small towns, Barnoldswick still has lots of small independent shops. A lot of visitors come to Barlick because of this.
david, do you know the reason that the popular open market at barlick ceased trading.
[quote][p][bold]David Whipp[/bold] wrote: Planning approval for a supermarket has been granted on the Albert Hartley site. A government inspector has agreed with local councillors that approving two new stores would cause a lot of damage to the town centre. Unlike other small towns, Barnoldswick still has lots of small independent shops. A lot of visitors come to Barlick because of this.[/p][/quote]david, do you know the reason that the popular open market at barlick ceased trading. willie eckerslike

10:33am Mon 10 Jun 13

Gammon Flap says...

David Whipp wrote:
Planning approval for a supermarket has been granted on the Albert Hartley site.

A government inspector has agreed with local councillors that approving two new stores would cause a lot of damage to the town centre.

Unlike other small towns, Barnoldswick still has lots of small independent shops. A lot of visitors come to Barlick because of this.
Oh yes, I am sure that people come from miles around to shop in independent, overpriced shops in Barlick.

What a crock.
[quote][p][bold]David Whipp[/bold] wrote: Planning approval for a supermarket has been granted on the Albert Hartley site. A government inspector has agreed with local councillors that approving two new stores would cause a lot of damage to the town centre. Unlike other small towns, Barnoldswick still has lots of small independent shops. A lot of visitors come to Barlick because of this.[/p][/quote]Oh yes, I am sure that people come from miles around to shop in independent, overpriced shops in Barlick. What a crock. Gammon Flap

6:25pm Mon 10 Jun 13

coates warder says...

david it could take 5-7 years just to get 1 supermarket built.i go to asda on a sat morning and half of barlick is in there ,what right do these jumped up shop keepers most dont even live in barlick have a right to tell me and others where to shop.also the rumor mill says rolls royce have put a bid in for the hartleys site.so if it goes that way no supermarket will get built thats the talk in rolls and hartleys. look at colne surrounded by asda sainsburys morrisons in nelson aldi etc and the high street is thriving as it has brought people in.whats wrong with councillors they do the opposite to what the voters want .as i say a lot of the shop keepers dont live in barlick and they are untouchable.i will carry on shopping out of town and most people will while you and jenny have your heads in the sand and cant pass a supermarket between the lot of you ,well in a fashion you have but will take a minimum of 5 years to be built without any guarantee it will be built. ASDA HERE I COME
david it could take 5-7 years just to get 1 supermarket built.i go to asda on a sat morning and half of barlick is in there ,what right do these jumped up shop keepers most dont even live in barlick have a right to tell me and others where to shop.also the rumor mill says rolls royce have put a bid in for the hartleys site.so if it goes that way no supermarket will get built thats the talk in rolls and hartleys. look at colne surrounded by asda sainsburys morrisons in nelson aldi etc and the high street is thriving as it has brought people in.whats wrong with councillors they do the opposite to what the voters want .as i say a lot of the shop keepers dont live in barlick and they are untouchable.i will carry on shopping out of town and most people will while you and jenny have your heads in the sand and cant pass a supermarket between the lot of you ,well in a fashion you have but will take a minimum of 5 years to be built without any guarantee it will be built. ASDA HERE I COME coates warder

9:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13

willie eckerslike says...

lord greaves puts many posts on here, but does not reply to questions, may be he genuinely does not know the answer, but at least he should say so, as I have taken the time to ask, my question was this, why did barnoldswick open market close so suddenly when every stall was occupied.
lord greaves puts many posts on here, but does not reply to questions, may be he genuinely does not know the answer, but at least he should say so, as I have taken the time to ask, my question was this, why did barnoldswick open market close so suddenly when every stall was occupied. willie eckerslike

6:54am Tue 11 Jun 13

superyob says...

David Whipp wrote:
Planning approval for a supermarket has been granted on the Albert Hartley site.

A government inspector has agreed with local councillors that approving two new stores would cause a lot of damage to the town centre.

Unlike other small towns, Barnoldswick still has lots of small independent shops. A lot of visitors come to Barlick because of this.
Most of these independent shops are the ones that charge over the top prices for standard goods and can't be arsed to open reasonable hours for out-of-town visitors or tourists. That's why a decent store is needed !
[quote][p][bold]David Whipp[/bold] wrote: Planning approval for a supermarket has been granted on the Albert Hartley site. A government inspector has agreed with local councillors that approving two new stores would cause a lot of damage to the town centre. Unlike other small towns, Barnoldswick still has lots of small independent shops. A lot of visitors come to Barlick because of this.[/p][/quote]Most of these independent shops are the ones that charge over the top prices for standard goods and can't be arsed to open reasonable hours for out-of-town visitors or tourists. That's why a decent store is needed ! superyob

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