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Don’t let cigs fascists get you down

11:40am Sunday 27th April 2008

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IN response to the article on page 10 (LT, April 22) concerning the Sahara Cafe and the letter by Councillor Salim Mulla in the same edition.

Chris Allen, head of Environmental Health and Trading Standards at Blackburn with Darwen Council, said: "We don't take any great pleasure in this (referring to the enforcement of the smoking ban). We are just doing our jobs."

How many people have we heard uttering those words over the last couple of decades?

Let us not forget the smoking ban was enacted in totality, with no choice, by a Health Minister whose policies border on "health fascism."

There was room for compromise with smoking and non-smoking venues but, like a petty dictator, the Health Minister took away the right to free choice.

So much for the democratic rights of any person in this free' country.

The smokers of this country paid taxes four times greater than the amount spent on the treatment of smoke-related diseases. Now, along with the profits of restaurants, cafes, pubs and the multitude of businesses that relied on tobacco as their income, that revenue has been lost.

To achieve what? Live longer, so that pensioners can be kept in penury deciding whether to eat or heat?

To do without the simple pleasures of life so that the Health Service can concentrate on arthritis, brittle bone, dementia, myopia, senility and the multitude of illnesses and disease that old-age brings and the young can look forward to?

To live longer so that small-minded idiots can have a good old whinge about the amount of pension paid to these pensioners who dared live longer than retirement age?

Coun Mulla was right. If tobacco becomes too expensive or difficult to buy then people will turn to the black market.

This is already happening. Black market tobacco at less than half the cost of retail is certainly easy to come by - the treasury is now losing money.

The pubs, clubs and restaurants have already lost my business because, being a long-term smoker, I choose my right to smoke, Do you know what? I don't miss those places in any form.

As a matter of fact, I've saved a fortune by not going out (and in the case of restaurants, home-cooked does taste better and I can even have a cigarette between courses).

Smoking is legal and approved by the Government.

It must be, because it is not even a class C drug and the Government still collects taxes on tobacco.

But if the health fascists have won and it keeps little jobsworths happy, who am I to bother about it?

I will be content in my home, puffing away merrily and will probably die young so the tax-paying whingers can't complain about my pension.

And the joke is, no matter what, we are all going to die. Ask the health freaks in the cemetery.

ALAN LIGHTBOWN-WHALLEY, Douglas Place, Roe Lee, Blackburn.

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David, New Mills, U.K. says...
8:28pm Sun 4 May 08

chas, suffolk on 12:05pm Wed 30 Apr 08.
Chas is being more than a little presumptious in believing that most people think of the Health Act, 2006, as a "stupid law".

David, New Mills, U.K. says...
8:19pm Sun 4 May 08

rosie, england on 10:08pm Mon 28 Apr 08.
"the smell of some of these unwashed antis is very offensive". I scarcely feel that non-smokers have a monopoly of being unwashed, or is rosie just a little biased? If smokers were to suck more mints, it might clean up their foul breath, or hadn't they realised?

David, New Mills, U.K. says...
8:12pm Sun 4 May 08

JS, Stockton on 6:02pm Mon 28 Apr 08.
How about "this very welcome legislation has brought us fug free pubs and other enclosed public places". That adult enough?

David, New Mills, U.K. says...
8:04pm Sun 4 May 08

Carlos on 4:55pm Mon 28 Apr 08.
Carlo is more than welcome to chuckle away and cough himself to an early grave.
At least non-smokers are spared the delights of his obnoxious fumes.

phil mcalinden, north lanarkshire says...
9:03pm Thu 1 May 08

enjoyed the article. just sums it all up. well done to an intelligent writer not afraid to make a stand on freedom 2 choose.

chas, suffolk says...
12:05pm Wed 30 Apr 08

Germany was once facist, but no longer.
The Publican
'However last month Bavarian voters gave them an absolute roasting in the local elections, barely two months after the ban was introduced. Now those same, previously 'anti' politicians are back-pedalling furiously having decided they now hate smoking bans'
Voters CAN change stupid laws.

Chris B, Blackburn says...
9:44am Wed 30 Apr 08

idlex wrote:
"Blathering on about 'democratic freedoms' is a complete joke," says Eric. I suppose Eric must think that democracy and freedom is a joke too.
No, just 'blathering' about it with empty rhetoric like you numptys...

I mean come on all the 'facist' stuff is just embarrasing!

idlex, Devon says...
12:10pm Tue 29 Apr 08

"Blathering on about 'democratic freedoms' is a complete joke," says Eric.

I suppose Eric must think that democracy and freedom is a joke too.

chas, suffolk says...
10:59am Tue 29 Apr 08

We live in a very selfish society today. Smokers are selfish in wanting SOME smoking pubs and anti-smokers are selfish in wanting ALL pubs to be non-smoking. Why are we ALL selfish?

Chris B, Blackburn says...
9:43am Tue 29 Apr 08

JS wrote:
Why is it that people who like this ghastly ban never advance any arguments in its favour but simply assert, in the most juvenile terms? They are either selfish or gullible.
Umm yeah but you lot throw around terms like 'facist' and ' the smell of some of these unwashed antis' and smokers having 'lost all their rights' (what ALL of them?) all very mature I'm sure.

I'm pretty sure that if real facists got into power, whinging about getting a bit cold when popping out side to sate your addiction would be the least of your problems...

Chris, the ferry to Spain says...
11:46pm Mon 28 Apr 08

The existence of this ban is clear evidence of our MPs' inability to think or even concern themselves with their employers - US the Electorate.
On April 23 the Government still claimed the ban is a success "However, survey data, anecdotal evidence and reports in the media seem to indicate that the impact on the hospitality trade as a whole has been at worst neutral and in many cases positive."
Surely they can't have missed the fact that 2,000+ venues have already closed down since 1st July 2007 and only 208 closed in 2006.
They are destroying Social Health, happiness, camaraderie and community on the back of biased and corrupted science.
BTW. My wife and I haven't bought a cigarette in this Country since before the ban - The enjoyment of 20-a-day costs around £1,200: a loss to our exchequer of well over £3,000 but a benefit of over £900 to the Spanish Exchequer.

rosie, england says...
10:08pm Mon 28 Apr 08

Great letter, just a pity it received the
standard response from the anti, nut it begs the question, when these people go out do they wear protective masks to protect them from pollution and every other smell that offends their senses. I'd also like to know if their hygience is up to scratch. I mean the smell of some of these unwashed antis is very offensive, so why should we have to breathe their lethal feculence.

I think the only fair course of action is to campaign for unhygienic antis to be banned from all public places.

mandyv, banitland says...
7:47pm Mon 28 Apr 08

Great letter, so true, the tax on ciggies is just legalised theft, well that is how I and many others see it now, it was I believe hiked up a few years ago, to supposedly pay for extra treatment we may need. Now they want to with hold that. I do not want to live old enough to be fed, watered and change, when and if someone can be bothered. This ban is just vindictive, it feels like we are in the middle of a tug and war game, between, smoke haters along with the big drug companies,and Big Tobacco.
freedom2choose.info for tolerant non-smokers and smokers alike

chas, suffolk says...
7:21pm Mon 28 Apr 08

Obviously eric has no 'addictions' and does nothing to pollute others, like driving. Personally, I feel a lot healthier and richer by cutting down on drinking.

JS, Stockton says...
6:02pm Mon 28 Apr 08

Why is it that people who like this ghastly ban never advance any arguments in its favour but simply assert, in the most juvenile terms?

They are either selfish or gullible.

Carlos, says...
4:55pm Mon 28 Apr 08

Judith Morris wrote:
eric wrote:
The pubs, clubs and restaurants have already lost my business because, being a long-term smoker, I choose my right to smoke, Do you know what? I don\\\'t miss those places in any form. As a matter of fact, I\\\'ve saved a fortune by not going out Which begs the question: \\\"If you don\\\'t miss them what are you whinging about?\\\" Blathering on about \\\'democratic freedoms\\\' is a complete joke, as ever your right to indulge in your addiction always comes second to those who have to breathe your lethal feculence.
Eh up - we have an ANTI - with an typical ANTI response!! Yawn - boring. Go and pick on someone else who has lost all their rights - maybe they want to listen!!
Not sure about that- best way to deal with antis is just laugh at them and how silly their arguments are.

Judith Morris, York says...
3:55pm Mon 28 Apr 08

eric wrote:
The pubs, clubs and restaurants have already lost my business because, being a long-term smoker, I choose my right to smoke, Do you know what? I don\'t miss those places in any form. As a matter of fact, I\'ve saved a fortune by not going out Which begs the question: \"If you don\'t miss them what are you whinging about?\" Blathering on about \'democratic freedoms\' is a complete joke, as ever your right to indulge in your addiction always comes second to those who have to breathe your lethal feculence.
Eh up - we have an ANTI - with an typical ANTI response!! Yawn - boring. Go and pick on someone else who has lost all their rights - maybe they want to listen!!

eric, says...
3:31pm Mon 28 Apr 08

The pubs, clubs and restaurants have already lost my business because, being a long-term smoker, I choose my right to smoke, Do you know what? I don't miss those places in any form. As a matter of fact, I've saved a fortune by not going out

Which begs the question: "If you don't miss them what are you whinging about?"

Blathering on about 'democratic freedoms' is a complete joke, as ever your right to indulge in your addiction always comes second to those who have to breathe your lethal feculence.

DaveA, Atherton says...
12:45pm Mon 28 Apr 08

Alan: Hear, hear, hear. Let me being the pedant just add to the figures you have quoted. The precise figures are, cost of smoking related illnesses £1.7 billion, tax collected £9.8 billion. 5x return on money. Also the Dutch did some figures on the life time costs of smokers versus non smokers. £180,000 for a smoker and £224,000 for a non smoker, so a 20% saving. Basically when you become infirm there are daily costs involved for care. I have not factored in the taxes and employment figures tobacco companies pay along with their employees. Nanny/bully Britain and the jobsworths have much to answer for. Drinkers and the plump, are you feeling the weight of NuLabour?

Kin, Co Durham says...
12:42pm Mon 28 Apr 08

Surely not rhetoric Judith!- This article is not embellished at all - it is the way it is, a vicious, inequitable piece of legislation disadvantaging a quarter of the population based on the deception and rhetoric of ASH et al.

Helen, Wigan says...
12:33pm Mon 28 Apr 08

What can I say Alan. I totally agree with everything you say and I just wish more would speak out like this. Anyway, I'm at the ballot box this Thursday voting against this labour party for one reason alone - the draconian, undemoctratic smoking ban.

Judith Morris, York says...
11:59am Mon 28 Apr 08

What a brilliant, brilliant piece of rhetoric. It justs sums up this ridiculous 'law' and the actions all smokers should adopt in answer to it. Roll on the elections, both local and general and we will show them who rule this country.

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