Carnforth marina plan divides town

Ambitious plans to bring a multi-million pound hotel and marina to Carnforth have divided the north Lancashire town.

Dozens of residents packed into a public meeting as developers Graham Anthony Associates unveiled plans for development at Carnforth Brow, on the Lancaster Canal.

Artists’ impressions of the proposed 100-room hotel and 50-berth marina went on display in the town’s Civic Hall on Monday.

The scheme would also include a wind turbine, a new roundabout and new access off the A601 on land to the north of Brewers Barn.

“I’m in favour of it, as long as it doesn’t make the road busier, but the developers seem to have thought of that,” said resident Susan Spriggs. “We don’t have a good hotel in Carnforth even though it’s a tourist area.”

Geoff Billingham, from nearby Nether Kellet, said: “It’s a good idea. It’s creating employment which is badly needed in the area.”

But Mike Cronshaw, of Carnforth, said the scheme would do ‘very little’ for the town and there was already space for boats further along the canal.

“There’s only one person going to gain from this and that’s the developer,” said Mr Cronshaw. “The jobs in the hotel will all be people from outside the area.

“I don’t see the need for a marina – there is unused capacity at Tewitfield.”

Bryn Spriggs said he ‘felt sorry’ for people living on Whernside Grove, whose homes would back on to the planned new development.

“Their bungalows have an open aspect at the back and they bought their properties knowing they were like that,” he said. ”They would lose that openness.”

Like many locals, Mr Spriggs said he had concerns about extra traffic created by the hotel but was pleased an access road formed part of the plan as it would help keep vehicles away from residential areas.

“Anything that provides permanent, reasonably-paid employment is a plus, providing there’s not a big price to pay,” he said.

Graham Salisbury, from Graham Anthony Associates, said the scheme was backed by British Waterways and would create up to 80 full-time jobs.

He also reassured residents that the roundabout would address traffic concerns.

“It will slow traffic down and prevent traffic from going on to the estate,” said Mr Salisbury.

The proposals will now be submitted to Lancaster City Council, which will decide whether to grant consent.

Carnforth town councillors will also have their say at a meeting which clerk Adrian Attwood predicted would be ‘lively’.

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9:06am Fri 10 Feb 12

Moonbase says...

Sound's good but, unfortunately Carnforth is already a bottleneck at the best of times, another roudabout
etc would only make matters worse.
If this got the go ahead i'll have to take some pins so i can keep myself awake whilst travelling through.
Sound's good but, unfortunately Carnforth is already a bottleneck at the best of times, another roudabout etc would only make matters worse. If this got the go ahead i'll have to take some pins so i can keep myself awake whilst travelling through. Moonbase

2:47pm Fri 10 Feb 12

churchy66 says...

Moonbase wrote:
Sound's good but, unfortunately Carnforth is already a bottleneck at the best of times, another roudabout etc would only make matters worse. If this got the go ahead i'll have to take some pins so i can keep myself awake whilst travelling through.
Having lived in Carnforth for over 10 years I am not sure where the bottle neck is that you are referring to? If you mean the occasional queue at Bank Holidays then fair enough, but more often than not the traffic is free flowing and causes limited problems, for those of us who know the area, then you learn to know how to avoid this rare hold ups and use other routes. The proprosed Marina and hotel will be great for the town, bringing more money into it, together with providing employment. Good luck
[quote][p][bold]Moonbase[/bold] wrote: Sound's good but, unfortunately Carnforth is already a bottleneck at the best of times, another roudabout etc would only make matters worse. If this got the go ahead i'll have to take some pins so i can keep myself awake whilst travelling through.[/p][/quote]Having lived in Carnforth for over 10 years I am not sure where the bottle neck is that you are referring to? If you mean the occasional queue at Bank Holidays then fair enough, but more often than not the traffic is free flowing and causes limited problems, for those of us who know the area, then you learn to know how to avoid this rare hold ups and use other routes. The proprosed Marina and hotel will be great for the town, bringing more money into it, together with providing employment. Good luck churchy66

4:11pm Fri 10 Feb 12

magical trevor says...

Have to agree with moonbase....Carnfort
h is dire at the best of times.....maybe churchy66 is flying and not driving?
Have to agree with moonbase....Carnfort h is dire at the best of times.....maybe churchy66 is flying and not driving? magical trevor

4:35pm Fri 10 Feb 12

churchy66 says...

I drive for a living Magical Trevor - no flying takes place with either myself or my neighbours - who are all perplexed by the comments on Carnforth, we all live more or less in the town centre, which takes us all daily, up Market Street and onto Scotland Road. It is not 'dire' as you describe - you live in Carnforth do you? Every town as a rush hour - very unusual if it hasn't.
To bring more revenue into the town is a positive, we are country which is forever looking at the negatives. Carnforth is a natural gateway for those who wish to enjoy the canal, as well as the railway, with the delights of Silverdale and Arnside being practicality on it doorstep, together with being just over half an hour away from the shores of Windermere - not to mention to Morecambe Bay.
I drive for a living Magical Trevor - no flying takes place with either myself or my neighbours - who are all perplexed by the comments on Carnforth, we all live more or less in the town centre, which takes us all daily, up Market Street and onto Scotland Road. It is not 'dire' as you describe - you live in Carnforth do you? Every town as a rush hour - very unusual if it hasn't. To bring more revenue into the town is a positive, we are country which is forever looking at the negatives. Carnforth is a natural gateway for those who wish to enjoy the canal, as well as the railway, with the delights of Silverdale and Arnside being practicality on it doorstep, together with being just over half an hour away from the shores of Windermere - not to mention to Morecambe Bay. churchy66

5:42pm Fri 10 Feb 12

lendempsey says...

Everytime a company or individual wishes to bring new life or business to this area the first response is "No ! not here. I't's not for us , it's will only benefit the developer" When will this community wake up to the fact that there will never be another K Shoes or Provincial Insurance or Vickers.. we are too far north for such enterprises.. Cumbria and North Lancs is for tourism and leisure..we have to grasp this concept and go with it. Every potential must be followed up. If Disneyland wanted to redevelop Morecambe there would be those who would say "NO, we must preserve this Victorian decay !"
Everytime a company or individual wishes to bring new life or business to this area the first response is "No ! not here. I't's not for us , it's will only benefit the developer" When will this community wake up to the fact that there will never be another K Shoes or Provincial Insurance or Vickers.. we are too far north for such enterprises.. Cumbria and North Lancs is for tourism and leisure..we have to grasp this concept and go with it. Every potential must be followed up. If Disneyland wanted to redevelop Morecambe there would be those who would say "NO, we must preserve this Victorian decay !" lendempsey

10:16pm Fri 10 Feb 12

Milkbutnosugarplease says...

If there's spare capacity at Tewitfield, that's because it's a dead-end of the canal in the middle of fields. Visiting boaters want to shop, see the sights (eg the restored railway station), eat out while hotel guests could enjoy the under-exploited heritage of the canal. A marina will put Carnforth on the map when at the moment it's overshadowed by the Lakes to the north and by Lancaster to the south. Steam Town has gone - now there'll be a waterside replacement.
If there's spare capacity at Tewitfield, that's because it's a dead-end of the canal in the middle of fields. Visiting boaters want to shop, see the sights (eg the restored railway station), eat out while hotel guests could enjoy the under-exploited heritage of the canal. A marina will put Carnforth on the map when at the moment it's overshadowed by the Lakes to the north and by Lancaster to the south. Steam Town has gone - now there'll be a waterside replacement. Milkbutnosugarplease

5:12pm Thu 16 Feb 12

1207 says...

Sorry chaps the only trade Carnforth will get might be from holiday makers buying there food and drink from Booths or Tesco otherwise the town has Nothing to offer a visiting family apart from the Brief Encounter thing in the middle of a run down unmaned railway station and does anybody under the age of 50 remember the film?
So its park your boat and head for the Lakes and Dales.
By the way I avoid Carnforth because of the permenate traffic tail backs that last all day long.
Sorry chaps the only trade Carnforth will get might be from holiday makers buying there food and drink from Booths or Tesco otherwise the town has Nothing to offer a visiting family apart from the Brief Encounter thing in the middle of a run down unmaned railway station and does anybody under the age of 50 remember the film? So its park your boat and head for the Lakes and Dales. By the way I avoid Carnforth because of the permenate traffic tail backs that last all day long. 1207

8:18am Fri 24 Feb 12

minkebill says...

Well I'm under 50 and I know that film well. I also think there is plenty of good stuff around Carnforth its just not marketed.

Yes we do have traffic issues at certain times of the day, caused I think on the whole by bad traffic lights at Tesco. But surely if the new M6 link road gets the go ahead a lot of the traffic will be diverted to that (eventually). Plus they are planning to create new access for this development. I think its right that more is made of the Lancaster canal as a whole, although I feel for those who look out onto green fields at present and will end up looking over onto this.
Well I'm under 50 and I know that film well. I also think there is plenty of good stuff around Carnforth its just not marketed. Yes we do have traffic issues at certain times of the day, caused I think on the whole by bad traffic lights at Tesco. But surely if the new M6 link road gets the go ahead a lot of the traffic will be diverted to that (eventually). Plus they are planning to create new access for this development. I think its right that more is made of the Lancaster canal as a whole, although I feel for those who look out onto green fields at present and will end up looking over onto this. minkebill

2:15pm Fri 24 Feb 12

PieWoman says...

Carnforth town will not benefit from this one iota. Hotel guests will eat in the hotel, and arrive and depart by car directly onto the motorway network.

The developers will benefit handsomely from previous generations' hard graft to contruct the canals. I hope they recognise this and put something significant back into the network (such as towards canal repair, towpath improvement, helping fund canal extension northwards, provision of public toilets etc).

Piewoman
Carnforth town will not benefit from this one iota. Hotel guests will eat in the hotel, and arrive and depart by car directly onto the motorway network. The developers will benefit handsomely from previous generations' hard graft to contruct the canals. I hope they recognise this and put something significant back into the network (such as towards canal repair, towpath improvement, helping fund canal extension northwards, provision of public toilets etc). Piewoman PieWoman

12:30pm Sat 25 Feb 12

Chris Abram says...

Church 66 must live in another Carnforth and not the one that I live in. I live on the main A6 though Carnforth and there are constant tailbacks and traffic congestion right through the town. If you disagree then look at my films "Bittern Country Our Heritage" and "Morecambe Bay Our Heritage Part 1" and you will be proven wrong.
A new hotel would be welcome but the "80 new jobs will be created" is a farce. Never do the originally quoted figures live up to expectations. Also, most of the eventual new jobs invariably turn out to be part time. The new marina at Tewitfield is still not filled and therefore has spare capacity.
I agree that little benefit would be gained by the local high street shops, just look what Tesco has done for the town, nothing except to get rid of our greengrocer and butcher and make us buy cheap, poor quality. products often with a short shelf life.
Carnforth needs industry situated near where the new industrial estate is being created north of the town with good motorway access. We need less of the "affordable", subsidised council housing, with its subsequent benefit culture and anti social behaviour, and more upmarket estates to increase the financial spend in the town.
The hotel would do nothing to improve Carnforth and we already see people with boats on the canal crossing the road to Tesco, and also leaving their cars parked in high traffic areas such as Lancaster Road causing problems for local residents.

A very debateable project indeed
Church 66 must live in another Carnforth and not the one that I live in. I live on the main A6 though Carnforth and there are constant tailbacks and traffic congestion right through the town. If you disagree then look at my films "Bittern Country Our Heritage" and "Morecambe Bay Our Heritage Part 1" and you will be proven wrong. A new hotel would be welcome but the "80 new jobs will be created" is a farce. Never do the originally quoted figures live up to expectations. Also, most of the eventual new jobs invariably turn out to be part time. The new marina at Tewitfield is still not filled and therefore has spare capacity. I agree that little benefit would be gained by the local high street shops, just look what Tesco has done for the town, nothing except to get rid of our greengrocer and butcher and make us buy cheap, poor quality. products often with a short shelf life. Carnforth needs industry situated near where the new industrial estate is being created north of the town with good motorway access. We need less of the "affordable", subsidised council housing, with its subsequent benefit culture and anti social behaviour, and more upmarket estates to increase the financial spend in the town. The hotel would do nothing to improve Carnforth and we already see people with boats on the canal crossing the road to Tesco, and also leaving their cars parked in high traffic areas such as Lancaster Road causing problems for local residents. A very debateable project indeed Chris Abram

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