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East Lancashire women's fury at retirement age raise

UNCERTAIN FUTURE: Colette Holden UNCERTAIN FUTURE: Colette Holden

WOMEN look set to be forced to work six years longer than their own mothers did before receiving state pension. We asked the women of East Lancashire what they thought about raising the retirement age.

WE’RE living longer – it’s a fact – and now the average woman has a lot more to worry about in later life than which skin cream to use into her old age.

Until recently, women could start receiving their state pension – currently worth £97.65 a week – at the age of 60.

But earlier this year, under the previous Labour government, it was announced that the age of retirement would raise gradually from 60 to 65 between 2010 and 2020.

And with life expectancy increasing Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne announced proposals last week to up the age for both men and women to 66, with the changes looking set to come into full effect by 2020.

This means that women’s state pension age will increase more quickly to 65 between April 2016 and November 2018.And from December 2018 the state pension age will start to increase to reach 66 by April 2020.

Colette Holden, 56, has worked full time since she was 16 when she began her first job at Albion Mill, Ewood, in 1970.

But her definitive retirement date hangs in the balance until the new proposals are passed through parliament.

The mum-of-two, of Dorset Drive, Knuzden, is the payroll manager at CGA Recruitment, Preston New Road, Blackburn, and until recently she expected to be retiring from the company in four years.

She said: “I am absolutely disgusted that the retirement age is to be raised.

“I have worked full time all my life and only had time off when my children were born.

“When I started work you stopped paying National Insurance at 60 and could look forward to retirement, now all of a sudden because the country is in such a mess the ordinary working class person will be penalised by paying up to an extra six years of contributions.

“Most women working full time go home after a day’s work only to start yet again on housework bringing the average ‘working’ day to 12 hours at least.

"Even at the age of 60 a woman can’t ‘retire’ so God help us at 66. We will be fit for nothing but the grave!”

Secretary Jill Little, 51, of Manchester Road, Haslingden added: “I’ll have to have worked 50 years, half a century no less, before I can retire now.

“And given the fact women finish work and then carry on working in the home I’m going to spend a lifetime working. It’s horrendous.”

Women born before April 6, 1953, and men born before December 6, 1953, will not be affected by these new proposals.

And for those it will impact, it’s not all bad news — further announcements this week include plans to increase state pension to £140 a week.

Financial adviser Liz Faye of Palm Financial Care, Nelson, urged women not to panic.

She said: “Many of our female clients expected changes although we were all unsure just how far reaching they would be.

“At least now we know, we can plan ahead.

“The most important thing is not to overreact. Get help in assessing exactly how these changes affect you.

"Once you know this, you can restructure your plans accordingly.”

Analysts say those born in the 1960s and later could be even worse hit because the coalition government is planning to raise the state pension age higher in the future.

No decision has been made yet, but Labour had planned for it to rise to 67 between 2034 and 2036, and 68 between 2044 and 2046.

Office worker Mary Sciambarella, 28, of Derby Close, Darwen, said: “I think the retirement age being the same as men is fine, I don’t want to be treated differently because of my gender.

“But the pension age is likely to reach 70 before I will be in a position to retire, which worries me.

"Is it feasible in some industries to work at that age? I want to retire when I still have the energy to enjoy life I think everyone deserves a happy retirement.”

Jane Caunce, 38, manager of Ellison Printing, Rishton, said: “I am going to do everything I can to try to ensure I don’t have to work into my late sixties, by investing my spare income.

"The sad fact is not everyone will be in a position to be able to do that and many women in this area will be working most of their lives.”

Liz Faye had some extra financial advice for younger women.

She said: “Forward planning and a good financial structure for younger women is paramount.

“One tip would be to cut back on your daily coffee fix and re-routing the £50 per month (based on a daily £2.50 takeaway coffee from large coffee house chain) into saving for the future.

"That way whatever the changes you are prepared and can look forward to a happy and financially healthy retirement.”

Comments(22)

miichael says...
2:41pm Wed 27 Oct 10

.... the bottom line is we cant afford to let people retire at sixty,,,, for a live-able state pension ...
male nor femail.... ! and it was very unfair for women to retire earlier than men .... previously...
,,,
especialy ....since life expectancy is now greater.....and it looks like the new regime is going to increase
... the pension amount to ,,, £140 per week !

Finger Bang says...
2:50pm Wed 27 Oct 10

We could all retire far earlier if the "I'm alright Jack" public sector workers gave up their completely unsustainable pensions which the rest of the whole country has to pay for.

They won't of course, because they're "alright Jack".

lwg76 says...
4:27pm Wed 27 Oct 10

Bias and Obfuscation.

This report is littered with it.

"But earlier this year, under the previous Labour government, it was announced that the age of retirement would raise gradually from 60 to 65 between 2010 and 2020."

The Pensions bill that aimed to equalise pension ages was Published by Mr John Hutton Work & Pensions Secretary in Nov 2006, Not earlier this year.
If you can't get that right what veracity can we attach to the rest of this whinging diatribe.

The 2006 bill also included provision for raising the state pension age GRADUALLY to 68 by 2045.

The recent announcement by the new Government only changes the timescale and is not imposing any further raising of the State pension age than previously (Like Four Years Ago) announced.

Get your heads out of the sand and face reality. State Pension Age is not a Mandatory retirement age and I believe the whole thing started because Women used the Sex discrimination act to try to stop employers retiring them earlier than men.

You are going to achieve your greatest desire, parity with men, at least over pension age. So Live with it.

Atticman says...
4:30pm Wed 27 Oct 10

If women fight for equal rights in pay voteing ect....... which I agree with. Then there is no reason why they should be allowed to retire at a younger age than men. If men where trying to reduce their retirement age would the woman agree with that? And could we as a nation afford it,,,,,NO. Lets line up everything and then there will be no arguments..

burner says...
7:56pm Wed 27 Oct 10

I seem to remember women howling for equality over the years . . . and now , here it is ! Your campaign is a success, Mrs Pankhurst.

eddie the head says...
8:02pm Wed 27 Oct 10

Finger Bang wrote:
We could all retire far earlier if the "I'm alright Jack" public sector workers gave up their completely unsustainable pensions which the rest of the whole country has to pay for. They won't of course, because they're "alright Jack".
it's us public sector workers who you come crying too when the sh*t hits the fan. It wouldn't unsustainable if it had been managed correctly from the start!

Maybe we actually deserve those pentions because we work our arses off! We are the cream of the crop which is why we are paid the best!

eddie the head says...
8:06pm Wed 27 Oct 10

lwg76 wrote:
Bias and Obfuscation. This report is littered with it. "But earlier this year, under the previous Labour government, it was announced that the age of retirement would raise gradually from 60 to 65 between 2010 and 2020." The Pensions bill that aimed to equalise pension ages was Published by Mr John Hutton Work & Pensions Secretary in Nov 2006, Not earlier this year. If you can't get that right what veracity can we attach to the rest of this whinging diatribe. The 2006 bill also included provision for raising the state pension age GRADUALLY to 68 by 2045. The recent announcement by the new Government only changes the timescale and is not imposing any further raising of the State pension age than previously (Like Four Years Ago) announced. Get your heads out of the sand and face reality. State Pension Age is not a Mandatory retirement age and I believe the whole thing started because Women used the Sex discrimination act to try to stop employers retiring them earlier than men. You are going to achieve your greatest desire, parity with men, at least over pension age. So Live with it.
what a well written post. Women have asking for equality, now they have it.

There are becoming too many older people in the country and we can't afford the pension bill, so something has to happen, whether we like it or not.

phoebesgrandad says...
9:13pm Wed 27 Oct 10

eddie the head wrote:
lwg76 wrote:
Bias and Obfuscation. This report is littered with it. "But earlier this year, under the previous Labour government, it was announced that the age of retirement would raise gradually from 60 to 65 between 2010 and 2020." The Pensions bill that aimed to equalise pension ages was Published by Mr John Hutton Work & Pensions Secretary in Nov 2006, Not earlier this year. If you can't get that right what veracity can we attach to the rest of this whinging diatribe. The 2006 bill also included provision for raising the state pension age GRADUALLY to 68 by 2045. The recent announcement by the new Government only changes the timescale and is not imposing any further raising of the State pension age than previously (Like Four Years Ago) announced. Get your heads out of the sand and face reality. State Pension Age is not a Mandatory retirement age and I believe the whole thing started because Women used the Sex discrimination act to try to stop employers retiring them earlier than men. You are going to achieve your greatest desire, parity with men, at least over pension age. So Live with it.
what a well written post. Women have asking for equality, now they have it.

There are becoming too many older people in the country and we can't afford the pension bill, so something has to happen, whether we like it or not.
hear,hear.

retired one says...
9:13pm Wed 27 Oct 10

It would make more sense to leave the retirement age as it is and let the younger unemployed people have the jobs.
This would save a lot more in un-employment benefits being paid.

burty basset says...
1:31am Thu 28 Oct 10

women should work til their 70 and men til their 60.

UniteAsOne says...
8:19am Thu 28 Oct 10

Finger Bang wrote:
We could all retire far earlier if the "I'm alright Jack" public sector workers gave up their completely unsustainable pensions which the rest of the whole country has to pay for.

They won't of course, because they're "alright Jack".
Im a public sector worker and have paid, on average £300 per month pension contributions,for the last 31 years as well as my National Insurance contributions, which,whilst Im working,go towards my state pension.
For anyone who thinks public sector workers get 'free' money in the form of a pension,think again.
A quick calculation of the above figures show that I have actually paid £110,000.00p in to my public sector pension pot with several years payments still to go.
Finger Bang - Why should I give up my public sector pension ? I,ve worked hard all my life and am entitled to reap the benefits of my pension.
I make no complaint that my NI contributions pay benefits to those in need either because they cant work or wont work.

eddie the head says...
8:40am Thu 28 Oct 10

UniteAsOne - well said. I think finger bung is just a little jealous and very blinkered.

Good luck in the in the upcoming cuts.

enty 46 says...
10:54am Thu 28 Oct 10

For all of you gullable lot who follow the
line about not able to afford it and the lie about the neccessity of cuts can you explain how the French are rioting about their retirement age going UP to
62 and how Italy Germany and even
Russians are not expected to work as long as us.Presumably it's only Britian where people are living longer!

Barmpot says...
12:07pm Thu 28 Oct 10

eddie the head,
we come running to you when the s*** hits the fan because the public sector have usually caused the s***. As for you deserving your pension you can't even spell it so you shouldn't get one! 'Cream of the crop' what a joke!

Mon says...
1:07pm Thu 28 Oct 10

I remember at work women moaning that they wanted the same rights as men. True, some did'nt want to finish at 60 and were quite willing to work till 65 the same as men, but most women blinkeredly thought that mens retirement age would be brought down to 60, the same as theirs. That was never going to happen and some of the women told them not to go too far in complaining. Well, those women got their wish and some, now they will have to live with it.

UniteAsOne says...
2:25pm Thu 28 Oct 10

Barmpot wrote:
eddie the head,
we come running to you when the s*** hits the fan because the public sector have usually caused the s***. As for you deserving your pension you can't even spell it so you shouldn't get one! 'Cream of the crop' what a joke!
Barmpot.........dese
rving your pension ???? Public sector workers, as my previous post stated, pay into their own pension pot - end of - its not free money.

Think about this when you are on your way to the post office to collect the benefits myself and eddie the head have paid with our NI contributions - now thats free money !!!

Kevin, Colne says...
2:30pm Thu 28 Oct 10

The pension crisis is not down solely to an ageing population. There are other factors too.

I believe that the Conservative Government restricted the amount of surplus that a pension fund could carry, while the last Labour Government abolished ACT on shares held by funds. These two factors alone did terrible damage to the viability of schemes. Then during the last decade the lower return on various assets coupled with the standard charges levied by the financial sector for managing money has meant a very poor performance from pension funds, endowment policies and many other savings and investment products.

The state pension system is a Ponzi scheme. If an individual ran a scheme like this they’d be charged with fraud, convicted and put in jail. As with all Ponzi-schemes those that are ‘in’ first get something for nothing, those that are ‘in’ last get nothing for something.

Public sector schemes vary. Some are asset-backed, others are Ponzi.

People moan but they accept it, and I see no evidence of a general awakening among the populace at large that they will come to their senses any day soon.

Liz Faye makes a good point. A few small changes to purchasing behaviour can release a sum of money to invest that can start the process of capital accumulation. In fact for as little as £30 a month someone is able to have their money invested alongside Lord Rothschild. When the stock market peaked a decade ago the share price of the fund was £3.41. Today it is £11.43. Anyone that had their money riding on the coat-tails of his Lordship has done just fine. This is not a recommendation to invest by the way, merely an observation. As Liz says people must take professional advice.

eddie the head says...
3:30pm Thu 28 Oct 10

Barmpot: Quick to have a go ain’t we! Can you give me examples of the S**T the council staff have got you into? You must have a list of examples at hand to be able to make your judgement or are you talking out of your hat? (PS the roads are managed by Crapita as part of a privatisation deal and passed by councillors)

Oh, I seem to recall that sentences start with capital letters. Not perfect after all are we….

britguy says...
3:35pm Thu 28 Oct 10

burner wrote:
I seem to remember women howling for equality over the years . . . and now , here it is ! Your campaign is a success, Mrs Pankhurst.
Here here...well said

britguy says...
3:35pm Thu 28 Oct 10

burner wrote:
I seem to remember women howling for equality over the years . . . and now , here it is ! Your campaign is a success, Mrs Pankhurst.
Here here...well said

TAMINATOR says...
5:58pm Thu 28 Oct 10

I am a soldier so i come under the public sector. So (Finger Bang) when was the last time you put your life on the line? I and my fellow soldiers fight hard for this country. and you have the cheek to call us JACK!!!!!!!!! I think i know who is JACK and it is not me.

happycyclist says...
1:15pm Sat 30 Oct 10

burty basset wrote:
women should work til their 70 and men til their 60.
LOL!

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