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Fire stations told to recruit more ethnic minority staff

7:21pm Monday 31st March 2008

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SEVEN fire stations in East Lancashire have been told that they must sign up more personnel from black and ethnic minority communities.

Brigade chiefs in Lancashire have outlined a series of recruitment targets for retained firefighter shifts at 10 out of 13 stations locally.

Currently only Nelson, Great Harwood and Rawtenstall stations met the criteria, outlined in a report to Lancashire Fire Authority by the county fire service's performance director Paul Richardson.

He has warned that the lack of firefighters from particular ethnic neighbourhoods could hamper the service's efforts in taking important fire safety messages to communities across Lancashire.

Nelson has a target level of 25 per cent - in line with the town's ethnic make-up - and currently five out of 15 are from minority backgrounds.

And in Rawtenstall three out of 14 retained staff fulfil the same criteria - so the station target of seven per cent is comfortably achieved.

But greater efforts will be needed to meet the same recruitment targets for retained staff at Darwen, Clitheroe, Colne, Padiham, Haslingden and Barnoldswick stations.

None of the 10 retained firefighters at Hyndburn's station at Church are from ethnic minority groups despite 12 per cent of the local area coming from these backgrounds.

And Haslingden's Manchester Road station has an 11 per cent target but currently none of the 11 retained firefighters there are black or from an ethnic minority.

Similar situations exist at Colne, which has 22 retained staff and five per cent ethnic minority population, and Clitheroe, where none of the 23 firefighters there are from minority groupings either.

Unlike full-time or day crews, retained firefighters are drawn up specifically from a designated radius of the station - as they must be available at relatively short notice to answer 999 calls.

Mr Richardson says in his report: "Due to the requirement that retained staff have to be available to respond to emergency incidents with a defined timeframe, the catchment area for recruiting such staff is defined by specific geographical areas.

"Furthermore it is acknowledged that each of those geographical areas may have different diversity profiles, particularly from a BME (black and minority ethnic) perspective."

No targets have been set for the likes of Longridge, Bacup and Earby fire stations, where the black and minority population is only around one per cent or less.

Salim Mulla, a Blackburn councillor and Lancashire Council of Mosques senior vice-chairman, said: "I think that this is a positive step by Lancashire Fire Authority in trying to recruit firefighters from ethnic minority communities and it has to be welcomed.

"It is important that they talk to the right organisation about how they do this and we would be happy to help them grasp this opportunity and recruit more firefighters from the Muslim community."

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jane, east lancashire says...
7:46pm Mon 31 Mar 08

If my house was on fire I wouldn't care what ethnic group the firefighter was from. Just recruit those who are up to the job and genuinely want to do it. I don't want a half-hearted firefighter who just happens to fit a certain criteria in this politially correct crazy world.

nj, darwen says...
7:49pm Mon 31 Mar 08

no mention of darwens percentage, not surprising as darwen has a minute percentage of people from ethnic backgrounds, less than 1% i would have thought(dont quote me). not sure why darwen has even been mentioned.

burger, barlick says...
7:58pm Mon 31 Mar 08

sorry but i thought it was ability not colour of your skin that got you the job.and mr mulla saying its a positive step.if this is not racist i dont know what is.do we need a certain colour skinned person to put fires out ? no.do we need a certain coloured postmen to deliver letters? no.and people wonder why there is still a divide between blacks/asians/whites
.ability over colour everytime mr mulla you racist preacher.i think we should have white or black people working in muslim run restaurants then. as soon as most of them are in white areas.as mr mulla says.muslim firefighters for muslim areas.it works both ways mr mulla.we only have a very small asian community here and they are good people but get sick of stuff like this.a population of over 13,000 about 100 asian .what about polish firefighters then .theres more from poland here than asian people.come on mr mulla what about them.or are you only bothered about muslims.you racist.yes ive said it again and stand by it.

Straight Talker, Rossendale says...
9:13pm Mon 31 Mar 08

What a load of b*llocks!

Why should any government agency be given quotas to meet in respect of their number of employees from Ethnic minorities?

Its a sad state of affairs, but if you had two people applying for one job - one is Asian and struggles to communicate in English, the other is white British and is more suited to the job, the employer would employ the Asian - purely because it would hit a government target!

The government go on about a problem in this country with racism - well, they created it!

These jobs should go to the people who are most suited!

Straight Talker, Rossendale says...
9:15pm Mon 31 Mar 08

Straight Talker wrote:
What a load of b*llocks! Why should any government agency be given quotas to meet in respect of their number of employees from Ethnic minorities? Its a sad state of affairs, but if you had two people applying for one job - one is Asian and struggles to communicate in English, the other is white British and is more suited to the job, the employer would employ the Asian - purely because it would hit a government target! The government go on about a problem in this country with racism - well, they created it! These jobs should go to the people who are most suited!
Do they also have to recruit a certain number of lesbians, gays, and trans-gender people?



naSTEe, Behind Your Curtains says...
9:44pm Mon 31 Mar 08

How many PYROMANIACS must be recruited ?? Mental health Act!

whats going on, on the ceiling again says...
10:08pm Mon 31 Mar 08

a positive step mr mulla ? more like positive discrimination, and positive exclusion of the indiginous even if better qualified yet again,the word racist comes to mind but we are working the wrong way on this one,exclude ethnics and all hell lets loose.
yet again if this stops the mindless cretins in burnley (just remind me what ethnic origin these idiots were ? )from stoning their firefighters this may still be a good thing !
but i somehow doubt it.

jay, east lancs says...
10:14pm Mon 31 Mar 08

Why would they need help in recruiting ethnic minorities? They just advertise the jobs in the press and anyone who can read can apply. You cannot recruit someone to a particular type of work who does not have an aptitude for the work or is not physically capable of doing the job. Have the local Councils, shops, offices, garages etc. needed help to recruit from the ethnic minority population - no because this is the type of work they like to do. This positive discrimination is ruining any chance this area has of improving race relations and it is time those in charge realised the downside of their well meant ideas.

greg, burnley says...
10:25pm Mon 31 Mar 08

Salim Mulla why dont you keep your mouth firmly shut on subjects regarding public safety .You are not qualified to make any judgements regarding recruitment of firefighters.Everyti
me an issue regarding the asian community you jump on your UNELECTED high horse and spout about things being good for the asian community you are an A*s i just hope if one of your family is involved in a fire or accident that the fireman or women is the best for the job white or asian .You in my opinion are an idiot with your own racist agenda.

GT, Burnley says...
10:51pm Mon 31 Mar 08

Next thing the 999 operators will be asking what colour and creed we are before sending an engine to the fire just to make sure they get the right ratio of coloured firefighters to the number of coloured persons trapped in the fire just incase someone wants to complain they only rescued by 3 whites and one asian but wanted two of each!

What total b*llocks! As so many have said before its the abiity to do the job that should be the first and only criteria - colour/creed/sex etc should be secondary...

why not go the whole hog and set up an 'ethnic minority' fire force and have them answer all calls from 'ethnic minorities' only and leave the other 'non-ethnic' firefighters get on with respoding to the rest of us.

The split between us all gets bigger and bigger - have you ever stopped and listend to yourself Mr Mulla and realised that you and your mouth and the above reports are a cause of this split!

nj, darwen says...
10:57pm Mon 31 Mar 08

having read this article again, and visited lancashire fires website, i see that retained firefighters (part-time) have to be able to reach the station in five minutes, when required. if black or ethnic minority applicants cannot meet this requirement for the said stations, they cannnot be employed, end of story

burger, barlick says...
5:15am Tue 1 Apr 08

i see lots of muslim comments on here .not.they are always quiet when they get everything.and when its not going their way they come on here bleating and crying discrimination.nuff said

vikingpower, blackburn says...
6:38am Tue 1 Apr 08

Im white and English and cant recall ever being approached to join the fire brigade,the people who do this job do it because they want to do it and do it to a very high standard.In my opinion positive discrimination like this will only lead to a decline in standards as you will have people taking the job for the sake of it as oppose to being motivated by a need to help people.

Nelsoner, Nelson says...
8:55am Tue 1 Apr 08

Burger from barlick I am Muslim, male & from nelson. The reason why no muslims have probably put any posts up is because they are probably not really that interested...if they were then surely they would apply for posts in the fire service & get the job if they had the ability. As for the article,please read it again,whilst I certainly dont favour positive discrimination & Im no fan of Mr Mulla either, it isnt him who has thought up this clever idea but most likely the govt with their recruitment targets so stop jumping on the bandwagon to criticise Mr Mulla as he is only doing what anyone in his UNELECTED position would do, which is to produce a PR stunt opportunity out of any story. What I do know for certain though is that this policy has not been dreamt up by some Muslim organisation which has then lobbied the govt or others for recruitment targets,rather it is the govt that is doing this and further creating the divide.

Descriminated Against, Lancashire says...
2:31pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Scott from Blackburn, I can confirm that Lancashire Constabulary do also use positive discrimination. I'm white and born and bred in Lancashire, a friend of mine is Asian, he was born in Pakistan and has lived in England most of his life and we both put application forms in to join the constabulary at the same time.
My friend received a call a couple of weeks later inviting him into a local police station to attend a meeting where he along with other applicants from ethnic minorities were given help and advice on how to fill in the application pack.
Did I receive such a call to offer help and advice...did I Hell!
Any job, it doesn't matter if it's a paper round or prime minister should be awarded on merit and not colour of skin or religous background.
What is this world coming to?

Fred, Blackburn says...
2:33pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Exactly how many Asians / ethnics have actually applied for positions on the fire service and have been turned down ???? Does this also mean that if two people apply for the same job one white one Asian that the Asian would get the job even if he is not as experienced as the White man just because he is Asian. Sounds about right just like everything else in this area. Asians / ethnics first every one else comes later.

GP, Darwen says...
4:03pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Straight Talker wrote:
What a load of b*llocks! Why should any government agency be given quotas to meet in respect of their number of employees from Ethnic minorities? Its a sad state of affairs, but if you had two people applying for one job - one is Asian and struggles to communicate in English, the other is white British and is more suited to the job, the employer would employ the Asian - purely because it would hit a government target! The government go on about a problem in this country with racism - well, they created it! These jobs should go to the people who are most suited!
That is bull4hit and proves you know nothing about how these government targets are worked towards.

In the above situation if communication was a key part of the job it would go to the more qualified candidate - the White British candidate. What these stations would be tasked to do is ensure that information about job vacancies gets out to the BME communities and that they feel like they's have a fair chance if they applied for the job. A FAIR chance. Positive Discrimination is illegal too.

And people are right that if your house is on fire you wouldn't care about the skin colour about the person fighting the fire, but if the person who comes round to your house to help you identify and eliminate fire risks can't communicate with you properly then you might object, so it makes sense to have an equivilent number of Fire Fighters from the Ethnic make up of the borough.

Maybe a little less time reading the Daily Mail might do you some good.

Mehboob Ahmed, says...
4:41pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Get a life all you folks. Surprising no mention of Tony Greaves here. This is all racist nonsense. The councils need to sack their diversity officers.

top cat, burnley says...
5:14pm Tue 1 Apr 08

WHAT A MAD COUNTRY..HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMMOUNT OF ETHNIC MINORITYS???GLAD IM OFF TO SPAIN,LEAVE THIS MAD COUNTRY..IT COULD ONLY HAPPEN IN ENGLAND..

Gene Hunt, Mars says...
5:26pm Tue 1 Apr 08

2 excellent posts on here from Nelsoner and Mehboob. The asian community are embarrassed about this situation, which has been created by well meaning white people, who have inadvertently created more problems than they aim to solve. It reminds me of the story about the high street bank that withdrew piggy banks so as not to offend. Ive yet to meet an asian who was actually offended by piggy banks. This country is embarrassing its indigenous population and at the same time insulting the intelligence of the asian population. If we were all left to make the best of this life, the country would be much better off. Peace and love to all!

The Gene Genie!

ConkCity, Lancashire says...
5:58pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Can someone please define ethnic minorities.....I mean...does this just apply to black people and asian muslims? because reading this one would think so. No person has mentioned the Indians, Polish, Albanians, Lithuanians, Romanians and Bangladeshi members of our ever growing multi-cultural society (not in any particular order and sorry if i have missed others out!)

If you ask me they should just order beds that fit all shapes,sizes and all (underlined) ethnic backgrounds. That way things wont change that much and the government will be happy when their targets are met.

GG, NYC says...
6:00pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Agree with Gene 100%. Most of the silliest PC nonesense comes from white liberals who are out to make a career for themselves in pointless 'fluffy bunny' jobs such as diversity coordinators, equal opportunities champions and other non value adding jobs. If these people did not have such pointless jobs and the money wasted employing them was spent on actual workers, things would be better.

I fail to see why a workforce must 'reflect a community' anyway or how the fire brigade's efforts to educate people on fire prevention can only be carried out by people who are of the same ethnic origin as the people they are trying to educate. Mulla sounds a bit of a racist or at best an opportunist playing the race card.

To me, all forms of racial discrimination are dangerous. They are not only ethically suspect, they are downright stupid insofar as they are concerned with appearance (having the right coloured people working for you) rather than substance (having the right qualified people working for you).

Surprised, Fylde Coast says...
6:36pm Tue 1 Apr 08

When will the British public accept that the ideal candidate for a government post is a 40 year old black lesbion with one leg. If applicants can get anywhere near that description their in.

simon, Chorley says...
6:56pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Statistics and targets... I'm pig sick of them. We have been manipulated into "saying the right thing." I honestly didn't have a problem with minority groups, however it now makes my blood boil that it is rammed down my throat every day. I played sport from a young age with blacks and Asians in the team taking the mick out of each other making reference to the colour of their skin... if I did this I would get strung up... why can't we just say "If you want to be a fire fighter then do it" If Asians or blacks etc do not want to do it then don't force them... just as I wouldn't want to be a mid wife (how many male midwives do we have in this country?) rediculous!!!

sammy, Lancashire says...
7:30pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Merit and ability out of the window. I don't care what race or colour you are, if my house is on fire, just do the job!

If I were a muslim or other ethnic minority I would be disgusted that the organisation only wanted me for my skin colour and I'd tell them were to go. I never fill in equal opportunity forms - waste of time. Positive discrimination does not make things equal. I agree that all people should be free to apply for work in any role they choose, but on the basis of merit, not shoe-horned in so that some bureaucrat can tick a box. In reality, if we stopped meddling, some areas would have higher than 'average' ethnic minorities in their workforce, some less, some more male, some more female.

Why don't they tackle the real issue and get scroungers (of all nationalities, gender, religion etc) into work?

Dave, Accrington says...
7:36pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Glad it's "positive discrimination" and not "racial discrimination" even though in practise the two are exactly the same. Amazing what you can do with words. Why do we put up with this?

positivist, burnley says...
7:49pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Please note that ethnic minorities have been faced with opression and discrimination for many years and hence they have little faith in public sector bodies full stop. In the after math of the stephen lawrence enquiry, it was proven that institutionalised racism existed... They only way to erradicate this is to have a fair and equal representation of the community that the public sector organisations serve. It isnt political correctness gone wrong - I will strive to do what ever job that I want to, however - if a concious effort is made to make the job more open and inviting, I will be more likley to go for that. I think we need to ask the communities what they want - and not blarb the nonsense that is mentioned above, without knowing the community that we serve. Lots of people are right, you wouldnt care what race, ethnicity, background your fire-fighter was when they rescue you from a burning building - however - if I can relate to them it gives me more confidence in that service. Hence - its not PC gone wrong - the public sector authorities require these targets in-order for the public services to strive to. Otherwise won't the world be a boring place if we were all the same... had the same skills... had the same expereinces... thats true diversity for you. So don't get tied up with the targets - lets get the best out of all communities, with the best people for the job and present an equal opportunity for all sections of the community, not just white indiginous males i.e. dads and lads... theres more to the world than that!!!

Honest Bob, Lancashire says...
9:10pm Tue 1 Apr 08

This is how I think the system should work for any job:

Employer decides on the desireable/essential attributes required for the post.
Those that want the job and meet the job spec requirements apply.
Those that want the job but dont meet the requirements strive to obtain the requirements and wait for the next opportunity.
Those that don't want the job dont apply.
The person with the right qualities then gets the job.
Easy Peasy!
I don't care if my curry gets served by a white person. I dont care if a chinese national sells me my morning paper. I dont care if my favourite football team has black players and I dont give two hoots if all the emergency services are staffed by Poles, Czechs, Indians, Pakistanis, Swedes, Germans, yanks or Ozzies. As long as the service is what I expect, it could arrive in the guise of Russian transvestites for all I care. Now all you lefty PC Brigade imbeciles please find something more worthwhile to occupy your time and stop driving a wedge between whites and non whites. Jog On!!

Terry, Burnley says...
10:11pm Tue 1 Apr 08

If any firestation had more than it's quota of ethnic minorities, would Mr Mulla be campaigning to redress the balance? I think not. Racial discrimination doesn't only come from the white population, does it?

nadeem, says...
4:12pm Wed 2 Apr 08

Mehboob Ahmed wrote:
Get a life all you folks. Surprising no mention of Tony Greaves here. This is all racist nonsense. The councils need to sack their diversity officers.
Come on folks this man is right get a life. If you are asian, black, white or everything else if you want to be a fireman then apply - forget this positive nonesense. The people who work in the profession don't give a **** about your skin colour - CAN YOU DO THE JOB? I DID EXPECT LORD GREAVES IN THIS ARTICLE TELLING US ABOUT HOW LIFE IS GREAT IN PENDLE..THAT IS IF YOU ARE A PENDLE COUNCILLOR FROM THE LIBERALS AND SWANNING IN TAX PAYERS MONEY.

bacup, bacup says...
10:28pm Wed 2 Apr 08

Firefighters have got a rep for being glamorous and dangerous at the same time, like being in the police or paramedics or mountain rescuers or all the other heroic occupations but those who join and last the course are the ones who are passionate about it. The majority want firefighters who are the best at their jobs not ethnic or any other kind of recruits just to meet government targets. Lives could be lost because of loonatic policies. Whats happened to democracy

Rob, Rawtenstall says...
1:16pm Fri 4 Apr 08

Well while you're recruiting black and ethnic minority fire men don't forget to also check that they can put out fires too. It may be further down the check list but the non political (a.k.a. "human") amongst us consider it a more practical qualification than colour.

GP, Darwen says...
5:11pm Fri 4 Apr 08

Rob wrote:
Well while you're recruiting black and ethnic minority fire men don't forget to also check that they can put out fires too. It may be further down the check list but the non political (a.k.a. "human") amongst us consider it a more practical qualification than colour.
Oh just listen to yourself... There'd be no firefighters if the first question on the form was 'can you put out a fire' because you get trained on teh job. Numpty

Angry, Burnley says...
8:38pm Fri 4 Apr 08

I am going to change my name and religion to get a better job.

Ridiculous.

Si Chotic, The Valley says...
12:59am Sat 5 Apr 08

More madness from the beaurocrats in the Fire Service. Ethnic quotas are racist and divisive. Are they going to amend the recruitment process such that if the ethnic minority criteria is fulfilled, they get the job. Don't worry if they score lower on aptitude tests or the interview. How patronising and offensive! So when someone from an ethnic minority does get a job in the fire service, their colleagues may assume that it's due to the colour of their skin and not their skill and aptitude.

smooth, says...
6:45pm Sat 5 Apr 08

Angry wrote:
I am going to change my name and religion to get a better job. Ridiculous.
Hey man get serious. Am a student at Marsden Heights Community College and I also happen to be one of these ethnic minorities - know if you come and see the second rate education I am getting at this place you would'nt bemoan me us this extra help up the job ladder. My school is the worst performing in the county and the Headteacher is on £85K - so I don't give a **** about right and wrong about this, I want the job

Straight Talker, Rossendale says...
9:07pm Mon 7 Apr 08

vikingpower wrote:
Im white and English and cant recall ever being approached to join the fire brigade,the people who do this job do it because they want to do it and do it to a very high standard.In my opinion positive discrimination like this will only lead to a decline in standards as you will have people taking the job for the sake of it as oppose to being motivated by a need to help people.
I agree - just look at the Police service!

Plus, members of Ethnic Communities want their off-spring to be Doctors or Solicitors because they can earn an higher income to provide for their traditionally larger families!

boycott, stockport says...
1:14am Sun 11 May 08

were in the army now ooohooaaah oaahhoaaah wer in the army now..missiles crashing over your head run out of bed or your left for dead ....not bothered about the fire service . more interested in asian participation in HM forces

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