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Hyndburn landlord gives up pub lease rather than lose money

Lancashire Telegraph: LAST ORDERS: The Dog and Partridge has closed LAST ORDERS: The Dog and Partridge has closed

A LANDLORD has given up the leasehold on his pub for nothing rather than keep losing money.

Mark Graham, 52, had run the Dog and Partridge in Back Lane, Baxenden, for six years with his wife Elizabeth.

But it has now closed after falling customers and rising costs.

Mr Graham, who has been in the pub business for 16 years, said he believed that many other pubs like his would go the same way.

He said he had been trying to sell the lease for £60,000 but decided simply to give it up for nothing rather than continue to lose money at the pub.

Mr Graham said he had seen little help from local authorities or the brewery, Scottish and Newcastle, which owns the pub.

He said: “With the price of everything going up and customers going down we just could not survive.

“There have been a lot of problems.

“Supermarkets selling cheap beer is a problem as is the smoking ban and the change to licensing hours has had an effect.

“I’ve closed the pub and I have no idea when the brewery will open it again but enough is enough.

“I have been left with nothing after investing a lot of money and hard work.

“It used to be a job you could make a decent living out of but I am out of it now.”

Mr Graham said he had started working as a delivery driver part-time since closing the pub last week but was looking for a new career.

Brewery bosses said that it was hoped that the Dog and Partridge would reopen shortly.

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8:20pm Mon 13 Dec 10

miichael says...

mmmmm.,,,,,

strikes me ...the brewery

are similar to the banks ....

fair weather friends,,,,,

buyer beware !
mmmmm.,,,,, strikes me ...the brewery [s] are similar to the banks .... fair weather friends,,,,, buyer beware ! miichael
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8:30pm Mon 13 Dec 10

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

Back in 1981 I brought home £120 after tax and a pint of bitter could be got for about 45-50p a pint. get your calculators out and tell me how much a week I should be earning now.
Back in 1981 I brought home £120 after tax and a pint of bitter could be got for about 45-50p a pint. get your calculators out and tell me how much a week I should be earning now. Michael@ClitheroeSince58
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8:49pm Mon 13 Dec 10

sharonAccy says...

based on a £2.70 pint me reckons about £648 - bet most people in this area are not bringing home that amount !!!!
based on a £2.70 pint me reckons about £648 - bet most people in this area are not bringing home that amount !!!! sharonAccy
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8:52pm Mon 13 Dec 10

Lifeinthemix says...

The breweries have been the means to the destruction of our pub culture, beginning in the 80's they took over all pubs which earned money after the landlords left, the knock on effect was to remove the amount of pubs available to budding landlords out to make a good living.
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Then the bouncers were placed on the doors in sync with the licensing laws enforced fraudulently by our Constabulary, licensing laws are of course statutes, the police are only mandated to upkeep the peace within common law.
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As the landlord has stated, supermarkets have also played a role in the destruction of the pub culture and yet again we find the same also operating in sync with the statutes and in close partnership with a Constabulary acting outside its mandate.
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They will change the licensing laws for the pubs and keep 24 hour booze at the supermarkets, this is what they are doing, keeps you all in the house watching tv.
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Hitler implemented a smoking ban and it worked in the same way it has worked today...it stops people gathering and communicating outside the spin, today that would be the tv and media, also controlled by the same.
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So what is it that is the controlling force to have all such organisations operate in sync to destroy this nation?
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Look back to the Breweries, almost the complete arena of Freemasonry, look at the police, absolutely the arena of Freemasonry, and of course let us look at the overriding power in this nation...the Crown.
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The Queen of England is the supreme grand patroness of global Freemasonry, the same Queen has control of the Crown...can you see the connection here?
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The British Crown is an institution by its correct interpretation, it is an office. That office has rules and we call it a Constitution, the Crown since the Civil War became the puppet of the money men, and with the entrance of the Hanovarian's, the same Crown became the flag for the military wing of the Roman Empire, the Black Guelphs of course being the supreme military guard for the same.
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Britain has served her purpose for the empire, we are now and since the battle of Waterloo being systematically destroyed as the same families shift the empire to the East.
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So it begins with the pub, but we suffer a strategy, and one used many times since the onset of the First World War, we as a people along with the American's, are the target for fascism, not as an enemy but as the chosen peoples to act out the Forth Reich, see it believe it and get to it....
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The breweries have been the means to the destruction of our pub culture, beginning in the 80's they took over all pubs which earned money after the landlords left, the knock on effect was to remove the amount of pubs available to budding landlords out to make a good living. . Then the bouncers were placed on the doors in sync with the licensing laws enforced fraudulently by our Constabulary, licensing laws are of course statutes, the police are only mandated to upkeep the peace within common law. . As the landlord has stated, supermarkets have also played a role in the destruction of the pub culture and yet again we find the same also operating in sync with the statutes and in close partnership with a Constabulary acting outside its mandate. . They will change the licensing laws for the pubs and keep 24 hour booze at the supermarkets, this is what they are doing, keeps you all in the house watching tv. . Hitler implemented a smoking ban and it worked in the same way it has worked today...it stops people gathering and communicating outside the spin, today that would be the tv and media, also controlled by the same. . So what is it that is the controlling force to have all such organisations operate in sync to destroy this nation? . Look back to the Breweries, almost the complete arena of Freemasonry, look at the police, absolutely the arena of Freemasonry, and of course let us look at the overriding power in this nation...the Crown. . The Queen of England is the supreme grand patroness of global Freemasonry, the same Queen has control of the Crown...can you see the connection here? . The British Crown is an institution by its correct interpretation, it is an office. That office has rules and we call it a Constitution, the Crown since the Civil War became the puppet of the money men, and with the entrance of the Hanovarian's, the same Crown became the flag for the military wing of the Roman Empire, the Black Guelphs of course being the supreme military guard for the same. . Britain has served her purpose for the empire, we are now and since the battle of Waterloo being systematically destroyed as the same families shift the empire to the East. . So it begins with the pub, but we suffer a strategy, and one used many times since the onset of the First World War, we as a people along with the American's, are the target for fascism, not as an enemy but as the chosen peoples to act out the Forth Reich, see it believe it and get to it.... . Lifeinthemix
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8:54pm Mon 13 Dec 10

stealer says...

£5.000.50 in the right job !
£5.000.50 in the right job ! stealer
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8:59pm Mon 13 Dec 10

stealer says...

Mr Graham, as the trend has been this way for many many years,your prophecy is likely to come about !
Mr Graham, as the trend has been this way for many many years,your prophecy is likely to come about ! stealer
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9:03pm Mon 13 Dec 10

happycyclist says...

Another F*** U* by the accountants at S&N.

The best pub in Darwen went tits up a few weeks ago because of S&N. They seem to be single-handedly destroying the tradition and culture of the English pub.

And their 'stable' of famous-name beers is sh!te; big names on the pump-clip, but mass-produced crap coming out of the barrels. They have a nerve even calling it real ale.

S&N deserve to go bust. We've got some wonderful micro-brewers and local/regional brewers in this part of the country. You won't find Thwaites, Moorhouses, 3Bs, Bowland, Bank Top, Fallons, Hopstar, etc in any S&N pubs.

Support your local brewers and the pubs that sell their beer.
Another F*** U* by the accountants at S&N. The best pub in Darwen went tits up a few weeks ago because of S&N. They seem to be single-handedly destroying the tradition and culture of the English pub. And their 'stable' of famous-name beers is sh!te; big names on the pump-clip, but mass-produced crap coming out of the barrels. They have a nerve even calling it real ale. S&N deserve to go bust. We've got some wonderful micro-brewers and local/regional brewers in this part of the country. You won't find Thwaites, Moorhouses, 3Bs, Bowland, Bank Top, Fallons, Hopstar, etc in any S&N pubs. Support your local brewers and the pubs that sell their beer. happycyclist
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9:21pm Mon 13 Dec 10

Lifeinthemix says...

happycyclist
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excellent points...
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For this to change the difference between statute law and common law need only be understood.
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There is no common law which prevents anyone from brewing and selling ale in a pub nor shop in Great Britain, for music nor entertainment.
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It is only by acting under the statute script they call the United Kingdom that statute law has an effect on what you do, and then only after they deceptively gain your entrance into contract with the enforcers by identifying your humanity with a commercial debt account each time the UK statute enforces come a calling and demand you identify yourself as your corporate title...Mr, Mrs, Miss or Master, and of course your name denoted 'Capital Letters.
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Only after you relieve yourself of your own humanity to be replaced with an asset trade title, and to do so in the public (aloud or with signature), can statute law be enforced upon you and thus the ability for the corporate state to then license you for whatever activity they claim to control.
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common law comes from the Christian morality, statute law is the Hamurabi Code from Babylon, which do you prefer?
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We are the nation, we are the power, but only if we exercise such...
happycyclist . excellent points... . For this to change the difference between statute law and common law need only be understood. . There is no common law which prevents anyone from brewing and selling ale in a pub nor shop in Great Britain, for music nor entertainment. . It is only by acting under the statute script they call the United Kingdom that statute law has an effect on what you do, and then only after they deceptively gain your entrance into contract with the enforcers by identifying your humanity with a commercial debt account each time the UK statute enforces come a calling and demand you identify yourself as your corporate title...Mr, Mrs, Miss or Master, and of course your name denoted 'Capital Letters. . Only after you relieve yourself of your own humanity to be replaced with an asset trade title, and to do so in the public (aloud or with signature), can statute law be enforced upon you and thus the ability for the corporate state to then license you for whatever activity they claim to control. . common law comes from the Christian morality, statute law is the Hamurabi Code from Babylon, which do you prefer? . We are the nation, we are the power, but only if we exercise such... Lifeinthemix
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9:35pm Mon 13 Dec 10

Lifeinthemix says...

It should also interest you to know that all alcohol sold in cans, bottles and wine is made in fluoridated water?
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What does this mean exactly :
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As far as I know, there is no one who has done any serious research into whether the fluoridated person is really more docile, easier to rule, more impressed by authority than the non-fluoridated one. There is, though, one peculiar thing: every Dutch doctor has a medical reference book listing all the current remedies. I have in front of me the book for 1984. One of the chapters is entitled 'Tranquilisers'. Looking at the 'minor tranquillisers' I find twenty-four substances: their chemical formulae do not show any connection with fluoride. However, there is also a heading 'major tranquillisers'. Of those there are twenty-seven, and seven of them are a fluoride compound. One of these is semap. It is one of the strongest anti-psychotic substances we know. This means that twenty-five per cent of the major tranquillisers are connected with floride. I do not draw any conclusions. The only thing one can say at this point is, with Alice: 'curiouser and curiouser!'
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Breweries brew this concoction do you think they are attempting to do something to you outside what I have already stated?
It should also interest you to know that all alcohol sold in cans, bottles and wine is made in fluoridated water? ' What does this mean exactly : . As far as I know, there is no one who has done any serious research into whether the fluoridated person is really more docile, easier to rule, more impressed by authority than the non-fluoridated one. There is, though, one peculiar thing: every Dutch doctor has a medical reference book listing all the current remedies. I have in front of me the book for 1984. One of the chapters is entitled 'Tranquilisers'. Looking at the 'minor tranquillisers' I find twenty-four substances: their chemical formulae do not show any connection with fluoride. However, there is also a heading 'major tranquillisers'. Of those there are twenty-seven, and seven of them are a fluoride compound. One of these is semap. It is one of the strongest anti-psychotic substances we know. This means that twenty-five per cent of the major tranquillisers are connected with floride. I do not draw any conclusions. The only thing one can say at this point is, with Alice: 'curiouser and curiouser!' . Breweries brew this concoction do you think they are attempting to do something to you outside what I have already stated? Lifeinthemix
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10:36pm Mon 13 Dec 10

Legal Beagle says...

Lifeinthemix, it sounds like you've been sampling the products of the brewing trade somewhat excessively.

Paranoia is a classic sign of severe alcohol abuse, and I suggest you toddle down to your GP with a copy of your postings, so he can see the problem and offer you some help.

And take an overnight bag!
Lifeinthemix, it sounds like you've been sampling the products of the brewing trade somewhat excessively. Paranoia is a classic sign of severe alcohol abuse, and I suggest you toddle down to your GP with a copy of your postings, so he can see the problem and offer you some help. And take an overnight bag! Legal Beagle
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11:00pm Mon 13 Dec 10

Lifeinthemix says...

Legal Beagle
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and of course to disprove your theory, I am tea totle...
Legal Beagle . and of course to disprove your theory, I am tea totle... Lifeinthemix
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11:32pm Mon 13 Dec 10

Bernard Righton says...

Lifeinthemix wrote:
Legal Beagle . and of course to disprove your theory, I am tea totle...
I think perhaps you may mean Teetotal? - the abstinance from alcohol.
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But then obviously, you being teetotal, as any true teetotaler would, you knew that already, right?.......
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Priceless......
[quote][p][bold]Lifeinthemix[/bold] wrote: Legal Beagle . and of course to disprove your theory, I am tea totle...[/p][/quote]I think perhaps you may mean Teetotal? - the abstinance from alcohol. ' But then obviously, you being teetotal, as any true teetotaler would, you knew that already, right?....... ' Priceless...... Bernard Righton
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11:47pm Mon 13 Dec 10

Lifeinthemix says...

yeah that too, i see that is the only issue you can understand, spelling mistakes are of course of the prime importance...arn't they?
yeah that too, i see that is the only issue you can understand, spelling mistakes are of course of the prime importance...arn't they? Lifeinthemix
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6:01am Tue 14 Dec 10

happycyclist says...

My imagination doesn't stretch to a brewers-government-f
luoride conspiracy, but the introduction of fluoride into the water supply concerns me greatly.
My imagination doesn't stretch to a brewers-government-f luoride conspiracy, but the introduction of fluoride into the water supply concerns me greatly. happycyclist
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8:14am Tue 14 Dec 10

dont blame me i voted ukip says...

I would agree with lifeinthemix regarding the decline of pubs due to the smoking ban having some effect. Why can't we have pubs dedicated to smokers, or at least a room set aside for them. Now you have to walk into the road to pass groups of smokers blocking the pavements, whereas before they would be inside. And outside the grottier pubs you also have to put up with the foul language and spitting. Very intimidating when you are just out shopping. I would also agree with life in the mix regarding the cheap beer. If you can keep people inside their homes boozing and watching tv on their surround sound cinemas it makes life easy for those in charge.
I would agree with lifeinthemix regarding the decline of pubs due to the smoking ban having some effect. Why can't we have pubs dedicated to smokers, or at least a room set aside for them. Now you have to walk into the road to pass groups of smokers blocking the pavements, whereas before they would be inside. And outside the grottier pubs you also have to put up with the foul language and spitting. Very intimidating when you are just out shopping. I would also agree with life in the mix regarding the cheap beer. If you can keep people inside their homes boozing and watching tv on their surround sound cinemas it makes life easy for those in charge. dont blame me i voted ukip
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8:50am Tue 14 Dec 10

stanhillstan says...

It allways amazes me why a brewery allows there pubs to be boarded up and empty rather than help the tenants more. All of the big brewerys do this surely there are no winners once the boards go up its crazy. At one point last year thwaites had five pubs closed in darwen and as a ex drayman i know that was a full wagon that went out every friday to service those outlets. Its not all down to the smoking ban greedy brewerys who put profit before people are also to blame
It allways amazes me why a brewery allows there pubs to be boarded up and empty rather than help the tenants more. All of the big brewerys do this surely there are no winners once the boards go up its crazy. At one point last year thwaites had five pubs closed in darwen and as a ex drayman i know that was a full wagon that went out every friday to service those outlets. Its not all down to the smoking ban greedy brewerys who put profit before people are also to blame stanhillstan
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8:56am Tue 14 Dec 10

WATCHER70 says...

Now now now......I appreciate all the comments that have been put on this story however the facts are a little distorted. Having drank in this pub it was evident that there was a total lack of input from Mr Graham, you get out of a business what you put into it and I can only say that when a pub is said to be in this situation and that the takings have dropped why would you employ someone else to do the bar work. The pub was not kept well and was far from a clean inviting place to drink. If you dont put the effort into it you cant expect to get anything out of it. " he decided to give the lease away" or was it a case of a moonlight before his creditors got to him. I appreciate that time have been difficult for the pub industry for many years however I cannot feel any sympathy for someone who just appeared to expect the pub to be busy...........sorry
Now now now......I appreciate all the comments that have been put on this story however the facts are a little distorted. Having drank in this pub it was evident that there was a total lack of input from Mr Graham, you get out of a business what you put into it and I can only say that when a pub is said to be in this situation and that the takings have dropped why would you employ someone else to do the bar work. The pub was not kept well and was far from a clean inviting place to drink. If you dont put the effort into it you cant expect to get anything out of it. " he decided to give the lease away" or was it a case of a moonlight before his creditors got to him. I appreciate that time have been difficult for the pub industry for many years however I cannot feel any sympathy for someone who just appeared to expect the pub to be busy...........sorry WATCHER70
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9:18am Tue 14 Dec 10

Lifeinthemix says...

I understand the reality of flouridated beer and wine is perhaps a new one to you...but there is a simple test for you to undergo.
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I was in London last week and a friend who likes a drink each night, to whom I have presented this reality over a long period of time, unsuccesfully....gav
e the opportunity for me to prove this fact.
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We went out for dinner and I persuaded her to drink Italian beer in a bottle, fresh from Italy. Under normal circumstances she would drink around 8 cans per night and still be sober but very warm and content, after drinking only two Italian beers she was half cut and could not believe it.
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Still swallowing this reality, slowley she has come to the point she realises there is a big difference between her usual fosters/carlsberg, both brewed in the UK and beer brewed outside the UK.
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I suggest you take this challenge and prove to yourself things aint right with beer and wine brewed in this country, then you may begin to understand that although what I present to you on here is 'out there'....it is not I who is off the rails, that i am only explaining the truth of the matter in spite of the general consensus.
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Just smell the wine before you drink it, it is a chemical concoction and most probably has absolutely no grape in it whatever....
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Documents I have read relating to the flouridating of the water supply, had this to say :
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Middle Class areas have no need to be flouridated from the water supply, the task is accomplished.
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Now this can mean only two things...Middle Class are obsesive with flouridated toothpaste, twice a day, and they consume a lot of wine, both full of flouride.
I understand the reality of flouridated beer and wine is perhaps a new one to you...but there is a simple test for you to undergo. . I was in London last week and a friend who likes a drink each night, to whom I have presented this reality over a long period of time, unsuccesfully....gav e the opportunity for me to prove this fact. . We went out for dinner and I persuaded her to drink Italian beer in a bottle, fresh from Italy. Under normal circumstances she would drink around 8 cans per night and still be sober but very warm and content, after drinking only two Italian beers she was half cut and could not believe it. . Still swallowing this reality, slowley she has come to the point she realises there is a big difference between her usual fosters/carlsberg, both brewed in the UK and beer brewed outside the UK. . I suggest you take this challenge and prove to yourself things aint right with beer and wine brewed in this country, then you may begin to understand that although what I present to you on here is 'out there'....it is not I who is off the rails, that i am only explaining the truth of the matter in spite of the general consensus. . Just smell the wine before you drink it, it is a chemical concoction and most probably has absolutely no grape in it whatever.... . Documents I have read relating to the flouridating of the water supply, had this to say : . Middle Class areas have no need to be flouridated from the water supply, the task is accomplished. . Now this can mean only two things...Middle Class are obsesive with flouridated toothpaste, twice a day, and they consume a lot of wine, both full of flouride. Lifeinthemix
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9:21am Tue 14 Dec 10

Lifeinthemix says...

More than this chaps, remember who you were in the 1980's, and look at yourself today....something has changed you....
More than this chaps, remember who you were in the 1980's, and look at yourself today....something has changed you.... Lifeinthemix
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10:34am Tue 14 Dec 10

jackmetickler says...

the pub trade as we knew it is over so we can only mourn.... some of these breweries business plans dont allow the flexibility to change ... so we will see them implode and the destruction of our pubs... because they wont allow anyone else to run them ....

Very very sad
the pub trade as we knew it is over so we can only mourn.... some of these breweries business plans dont allow the flexibility to change ... so we will see them implode and the destruction of our pubs... because they wont allow anyone else to run them .... Very very sad jackmetickler
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2:17pm Tue 14 Dec 10

Lifeinthemix says...

So we are back to common law, which allows anyone with the inclination to not only brew ale, but to sell it also, be that from their home or indeed a ready made public house. We need to form a new pub culture or as you say through the strategy of the breweries it will die
So we are back to common law, which allows anyone with the inclination to not only brew ale, but to sell it also, be that from their home or indeed a ready made public house. We need to form a new pub culture or as you say through the strategy of the breweries it will die Lifeinthemix
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3:20pm Tue 14 Dec 10

hyndburnhero says...

Isn't it the 1980s and NOT the 1980's?
Isn't it the 1980s and NOT the 1980's? hyndburnhero
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4:05pm Tue 14 Dec 10

Lifeinthemix says...

hyndburnhero,

if it makes you feel better
hyndburnhero, if it makes you feel better Lifeinthemix
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6:37pm Tue 14 Dec 10

OwdAkela says...

Too many times I see licencees stood on the wrong side of the bar. It is a job like any other and not a social life.
Too many times I see licencees stood on the wrong side of the bar. It is a job like any other and not a social life. OwdAkela
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9:56pm Tue 14 Dec 10

GrindletonBob says...

Scottish and Newcastle is a typical pub company, like Enterprise Inns and Punch Taverns. None of these are brewers as such, although Scottish and Newcastle Pub Enterprises is actually owned by Heineken. They still own a fair few pubs in the region, most of which are ex Matthew Brown houses. The Alexandra and the Rising Sun in Blackburn to name a couple of local ones.

Heineken may still be a brewer but clearly we're not talking a regional brewer such as Thwaites or Moorhouses. Heineken also has no interest in cask ale which has seen an increasing share of the UK drinks market, something Thwaites, Moorhouses and the growing number of micro-breweries throughout East Lancs are only too aware of.

Anyone remember which brewer closed down Matthew Brown in the early 90's? The same brewer that moved Newcastle Brown production out of Newcastle (now brewed in Tadcaster, North Yorkshire!).

Scottish and Newcastle or Heineken UK to get the name correct are only interested in their share holders, be it through their pubs division or their brewing division. Nothing is sacred to them with regards to the historical British licensed and brewing trade.

http://www.s-npubcom
pany.co.uk/pages/Abo
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Scottish and Newcastle is a typical pub company, like Enterprise Inns and Punch Taverns. None of these are brewers as such, although Scottish and Newcastle Pub Enterprises is actually owned by Heineken. They still own a fair few pubs in the region, most of which are ex Matthew Brown houses. The Alexandra and the Rising Sun in Blackburn to name a couple of local ones. Heineken may still be a brewer but clearly we're not talking a regional brewer such as Thwaites or Moorhouses. Heineken also has no interest in cask ale which has seen an increasing share of the UK drinks market, something Thwaites, Moorhouses and the growing number of micro-breweries throughout East Lancs are only too aware of. Anyone remember which brewer closed down Matthew Brown in the early 90's? The same brewer that moved Newcastle Brown production out of Newcastle (now brewed in Tadcaster, North Yorkshire!). Scottish and Newcastle or Heineken UK to get the name correct are only interested in their share holders, be it through their pubs division or their brewing division. Nothing is sacred to them with regards to the historical British licensed and brewing trade. http://www.s-npubcom pany.co.uk/pages/Abo ut_Us GrindletonBob
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10:46pm Tue 14 Dec 10

Lifeinthemix says...

GrindletonBob
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With such information from your good self, then the supermarkets are indeed the end game as far as alcohol is concerned. and of course the supermarkets are only as powerful as we make them.
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I have started to shop in the town centre for bread milk and groceries, I have to say it was like my mum used to make and obviously made in the old fashioned way, less chemistry and proper dough. We all agree our town centres are dying but this is down to our habits, convenience is killing the country, obedience to stupid laws is killing the fun.
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Oliver Cromwell began this destruction of fun, but o how they partied after his end. I think it time we brought an end to all the misery and shopped in the markets and drink in the pubs....
GrindletonBob . With such information from your good self, then the supermarkets are indeed the end game as far as alcohol is concerned. and of course the supermarkets are only as powerful as we make them. . I have started to shop in the town centre for bread milk and groceries, I have to say it was like my mum used to make and obviously made in the old fashioned way, less chemistry and proper dough. We all agree our town centres are dying but this is down to our habits, convenience is killing the country, obedience to stupid laws is killing the fun. . Oliver Cromwell began this destruction of fun, but o how they partied after his end. I think it time we brought an end to all the misery and shopped in the markets and drink in the pubs.... Lifeinthemix
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