Hyndburn landlords threaten court over licences

A GROUP of landlords is posed to take a council to court after a selective licensing scheme was introduced.

Hyndburn Landlords say they are unhappy with ‘costly’ conditions imposed as part of the scheme which covers around 4,850 properties in Accrington and Church, including more than 1,500 privately rented properties.

They say they are looking at bringing their issues to a tribunal, 18 months after trying to quash the entire scheme in the High Court.

Paul Brown of the landlords group said they would be challenging which aspects of the scheme are legally enforceable.

They are unhappy about some of the conditions, the £820 fee for a five-year licence. They intend to take their fight to a property tribunal.

He said: “We feel the council is trying to use this as a fix all to cure all of society's problems.

“One of the conditions is to provide an electrical safety installation check certificate. The conditions add a lot of cost on to the landlord and a responsible landlord will know the safety of their property anyway.

“They are using Housing Act legislation to enforce these conditions, but we don’t think this is correct.

He said they had questioned the council about these things but not received answers.

The scheme aims to improve the standard of rented properties and all landlords in the areas covered will have to apply for a licence. Any landlord caught without a licence could face a fine of up to £20,000.

Deputy council leader Clare Pritchard said she ‘stood by’ the scheme. She said: “I think the scheme is something that will benefit everyone, including landlords. We’re also implementing schemes to address problems landlords experience. It’s not about hitting landlords, it’s about improving the way the system works for everybody.”

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1:31pm Tue 11 Dec 12

BuckoTheMoose says...

Force them to have a licence then charge £820 for the privilage. Kerchiiiing!

I hope they get this whole scheme junked. More red tape an cost is the last thing the economy needs, yet local councils just can't help themselves, can they.
Force them to have a licence then charge £820 for the privilage. Kerchiiiing! I hope they get this whole scheme junked. More red tape an cost is the last thing the economy needs, yet local councils just can't help themselves, can they. BuckoTheMoose

1:33pm Tue 11 Dec 12

midas says...

What do the landlords get in return for paying their fee?
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Not sure objecting to getting an ESICC is promoting the image of the Landlords action group!!!
What do the landlords get in return for paying their fee? . Not sure objecting to getting an ESICC is promoting the image of the Landlords action group!!! midas

2:30pm Tue 11 Dec 12

katypri says...

responsible landlords will know the condition of the property yes they do and many are a disgrace, gas and electric safety should be enforced for all rental properties
responsible landlords will know the condition of the property yes they do and many are a disgrace, gas and electric safety should be enforced for all rental properties katypri

4:05pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Mothernature says...

That's £3.15 per week out of an average rent of £90.00 pw. For too long landlord/ladies (especially the private sector) have got away with providing homes that are quite frankly a disgrace. Damp conditions, aged boilers, etc. If this schemes proves that a landlord/lady is taking his/her responsibility to their tenants and the neighbourhoods seriously, then it is a small price to pay.
That's £3.15 per week out of an average rent of £90.00 pw. For too long landlord/ladies (especially the private sector) have got away with providing homes that are quite frankly a disgrace. Damp conditions, aged boilers, etc. If this schemes proves that a landlord/lady is taking his/her responsibility to their tenants and the neighbourhoods seriously, then it is a small price to pay. Mothernature

4:44pm Tue 11 Dec 12

useyourhead says...

Mothernature wrote:
That's £3.15 per week out of an average rent of £90.00 pw. For too long landlord/ladies (especially the private sector) have got away with providing homes that are quite frankly a disgrace. Damp conditions, aged boilers, etc. If this schemes proves that a landlord/lady is taking his/her responsibility to their tenants and the neighbourhoods seriously, then it is a small price to pay.
but the ones who are causing concern are lucky if they have that left from the rent as the usual tenants are unemployed, pay little or no bond and very often leave at the end of the six month lease with the last two months rent (paid directly to them, not the landlord,just make excuses for the last few week then go).
Often having left a load of tidying, redecorating and re carpeting (if your lucky the boiler and pipes are still there) plus the house is empty while this is done and new tenants found.

all I can see coming from this is the already reasonable landlords standards will slip to bare minimum and the ones this is aimed at will let properties stand empty.
[quote][p][bold]Mothernature[/bold] wrote: That's £3.15 per week out of an average rent of £90.00 pw. For too long landlord/ladies (especially the private sector) have got away with providing homes that are quite frankly a disgrace. Damp conditions, aged boilers, etc. If this schemes proves that a landlord/lady is taking his/her responsibility to their tenants and the neighbourhoods seriously, then it is a small price to pay.[/p][/quote]but the ones who are causing concern are lucky if they have that left from the rent as the usual tenants are unemployed, pay little or no bond and very often leave at the end of the six month lease with the last two months rent (paid directly to them, not the landlord,just make excuses for the last few week then go). Often having left a load of tidying, redecorating and re carpeting (if your lucky the boiler and pipes are still there) plus the house is empty while this is done and new tenants found. all I can see coming from this is the already reasonable landlords standards will slip to bare minimum and the ones this is aimed at will let properties stand empty. useyourhead

4:50pm Tue 11 Dec 12

midas says...

Mothernature wrote:
That's £3.15 per week out of an average rent of £90.00 pw. For too long landlord/ladies (especially the private sector) have got away with providing homes that are quite frankly a disgrace. Damp conditions, aged boilers, etc. If this schemes proves that a landlord/lady is taking his/her responsibility to their tenants and the neighbourhoods seriously, then it is a small price to pay.
or 9 weeks rent (up front) for each property owned.
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If the property isn't "fit" complain to the council and the housing department should issue an improvement notice to force the Landlord to do the work. If the property is prejudicial to health then the tenent can issue an Abatement Notice to force the landlord to do the work.
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It doesn't need a scheme that penalises the good landlords.
[quote][p][bold]Mothernature[/bold] wrote: That's £3.15 per week out of an average rent of £90.00 pw. For too long landlord/ladies (especially the private sector) have got away with providing homes that are quite frankly a disgrace. Damp conditions, aged boilers, etc. If this schemes proves that a landlord/lady is taking his/her responsibility to their tenants and the neighbourhoods seriously, then it is a small price to pay.[/p][/quote]or 9 weeks rent (up front) for each property owned. . If the property isn't "fit" complain to the council and the housing department should issue an improvement notice to force the Landlord to do the work. If the property is prejudicial to health then the tenent can issue an Abatement Notice to force the landlord to do the work. . It doesn't need a scheme that penalises the good landlords. midas

5:16pm Tue 11 Dec 12

workaholic says...

midas wrote:
Mothernature wrote:
That's £3.15 per week out of an average rent of £90.00 pw. For too long landlord/ladies (especially the private sector) have got away with providing homes that are quite frankly a disgrace. Damp conditions, aged boilers, etc. If this schemes proves that a landlord/lady is taking his/her responsibility to their tenants and the neighbourhoods seriously, then it is a small price to pay.
or 9 weeks rent (up front) for each property owned.
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If the property isn't "fit" complain to the council and the housing department should issue an improvement notice to force the Landlord to do the work. If the property is prejudicial to health then the tenent can issue an Abatement Notice to force the landlord to do the work.
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It doesn't need a scheme that penalises the good landlords.
Well said Midas - totally true! What about the periods that a property may remain empty between tenants moving out and new tenants moving in, which could be months on occasions - is there a refund then to the landlord?? Think Not!
This system is totally unfair. Some of the 'housing associations' treat their tenants worse than many private landlords do!
New jobs at the council I think - with nice salaries. The other point is that this scheme is self destructive in that it will drive down property values in the areas in question as investors will be put off buying properties in these designated areas and look elsewhere instead purely because of this extortionate amount of the cost of the licence.
[quote][p][bold]midas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mothernature[/bold] wrote: That's £3.15 per week out of an average rent of £90.00 pw. For too long landlord/ladies (especially the private sector) have got away with providing homes that are quite frankly a disgrace. Damp conditions, aged boilers, etc. If this schemes proves that a landlord/lady is taking his/her responsibility to their tenants and the neighbourhoods seriously, then it is a small price to pay.[/p][/quote]or 9 weeks rent (up front) for each property owned. . If the property isn't "fit" complain to the council and the housing department should issue an improvement notice to force the Landlord to do the work. If the property is prejudicial to health then the tenent can issue an Abatement Notice to force the landlord to do the work. . It doesn't need a scheme that penalises the good landlords.[/p][/quote]Well said Midas - totally true! What about the periods that a property may remain empty between tenants moving out and new tenants moving in, which could be months on occasions - is there a refund then to the landlord?? Think Not! This system is totally unfair. Some of the 'housing associations' treat their tenants worse than many private landlords do! New jobs at the council I think - with nice salaries. The other point is that this scheme is self destructive in that it will drive down property values in the areas in question as investors will be put off buying properties in these designated areas and look elsewhere instead purely because of this extortionate amount of the cost of the licence. workaholic

5:56pm Tue 11 Dec 12

pwitch says...

The last government decided to pay the housing benefit direct to the tenant instead of paying it to the landlord. That was a very big mistake as the tenants with alcohol dependency or drug abuse problems did not pay the rent to the landlord but use it to feed their habits. This has caused a lot of problems and its time the rent housing benefit was returned to paying the landlord direct. Yes there are unscrupulous landlords, but there are also rubbish tenants who often appear to have more and more 'rights'.
The last government decided to pay the housing benefit direct to the tenant instead of paying it to the landlord. That was a very big mistake as the tenants with alcohol dependency or drug abuse problems did not pay the rent to the landlord but use it to feed their habits. This has caused a lot of problems and its time the rent housing benefit was returned to paying the landlord direct. Yes there are unscrupulous landlords, but there are also rubbish tenants who often appear to have more and more 'rights'. pwitch

8:00pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Mothernature says...

All landlords/ladies have the right to notify the HB department if the rent has not been paid after 4 weeks. This usually results in the HB being paid direct to the landlord/lady, so how a tenant can get away with not paying their rent for 2 or more months is down to the landlord/lady to deal with.
All landlords/ladies have the right to notify the HB department if the rent has not been paid after 4 weeks. This usually results in the HB being paid direct to the landlord/lady, so how a tenant can get away with not paying their rent for 2 or more months is down to the landlord/lady to deal with. Mothernature

8:47pm Tue 11 Dec 12

ste.g says...

Mothernature wrote:
That's £3.15 per week out of an average rent of £90.00 pw. For too long landlord/ladies (especially the private sector) have got away with providing homes that are quite frankly a disgrace. Damp conditions, aged boilers, etc. If this schemes proves that a landlord/lady is taking his/her responsibility to their tenants and the neighbourhoods seriously, then it is a small price to pay.
just put up the rent to cover it
[quote][p][bold]Mothernature[/bold] wrote: That's £3.15 per week out of an average rent of £90.00 pw. For too long landlord/ladies (especially the private sector) have got away with providing homes that are quite frankly a disgrace. Damp conditions, aged boilers, etc. If this schemes proves that a landlord/lady is taking his/her responsibility to their tenants and the neighbourhoods seriously, then it is a small price to pay.[/p][/quote]just put up the rent to cover it ste.g

4:00am Wed 12 Dec 12

stupidisasstupiddoes says...

Do you people who are "rubbishing" these ideas actually walk around Accrington? Obviously not! Apart from the fact that these new license fees could\would prevent the landlord being privately sued, it would also ensure the safety of it's tenants,which should always be paramount! In regards to the letter about investors not wanting to invest or not being ALLOWED to invest in certain areas of town-IT'S ABOUT TIME!-This town has been raped of everything for a quick profit,and it's the poor that always pay in the long run! Not pouncing on the race card-but we're not seeing young accrington local married couples buying property,but we ARE seeing lots and lots of YOUNG muslim couples\families buying 2 properties and knocking them into 1 then having disability painted outside.You buy cheap house,run it into ground, no more will the people pay for it via "grants"
Do you people who are "rubbishing" these ideas actually walk around Accrington? Obviously not! Apart from the fact that these new license fees could\would prevent the landlord being privately sued, it would also ensure the safety of it's tenants,which should always be paramount! In regards to the letter about investors not wanting to invest or not being ALLOWED to invest in certain areas of town-IT'S ABOUT TIME!-This town has been raped of everything for a quick profit,and it's the poor that always pay in the long run! Not pouncing on the race card-but we're not seeing young accrington local married couples buying property,but we ARE seeing lots and lots of YOUNG muslim couples\families buying 2 properties and knocking them into 1 then having disability painted outside.You buy cheap house,run it into ground, no more will the people pay for it via "grants" stupidisasstupiddoes

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