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Health chiefs stockpile £5million for East Lancashire redundancies
9:19am Tuesday 3rd July 2012 in Health
By Catherine Pye, Health reporter
£5MILLION Tim Ellis and Graham Burgess
HEALTH chiefs in East Lancashire have stockpiled more than £5million for redundancies and unions said up to 500 jobs could go.
Unions said the amount meant that around half of the entire workforce of the local primary care trusts, between 400 to 500 people, are set to lose their jobs in a planned shake-up — but the majority would be voluntary redundancies.
Bosses at NHS East Lanashire, have put aside £4.2million, and NHS Blackburn with Darwen Teaching Care Trust Plus have over £950,000 in reserves for planned redundancy payments, ready for the abolition of PCTs.
They will be replaced by Clinical Commissioning Groups (CCGs) in April 2013, where GPs will be responsible for buying services for their patients.
Although the trusts refused to discuss the numbers of redundancies, Unison, which represents staff at both PCTs, said up to 500 people are set to lose their jobs.
The union said posts most likely to be affected are highly skilled, senior-graded practisioners who design and improve procedures for patients cared for at home and in the community.
Health campaigners and MPs have voiced concerns, saying cutting staff with decades of experience would mean services could ‘fall by the wayside’.
Tim Ellis, Unison’s regional officer in the north west, said: “About half of the staff will be removed by March 2013, but most of these will be voluntary redundancies, because the package is attractive, and so many people want to go.
“The problem is that we’ll lose people with decades of experience in things like rehabilitiation and care at home, at a time when the NHS is having to think about caring people in the community.”
Health campaigner and former Burnley MP, Peter Pike, said redundancies would be a “retrograde step”.
He said: “Key people have been leaving already in anticipation of the change over.
“I think it’s a retrograde step to lose so many people with decades of experience, and things that the PCTs provide, such as anti-smoking campaigns and healthy eating services, will begin to fall by the wayside.”
Health bosses at both PCTs said the reserves had been made as part of “sound financial practice”.
A spokesman for NHS East Lancashire said: “At this point in time there are no precise numbers against this money, hence this figure is just a contingency fund which is set aside in anticipation that it may be needed.”
NHS Blackburn with Darwen Teaching Care Trust Plus set aside £950,653 in 2011/12 to pay for downsizing in 2012/13.
At this point in time there are no precise numbers against this money.
Graham Burgess, chief executive of the Trust, said: “This is sound financial practice and will ensure we are prepared for any possible scenarios, and will not leave a legacy of debt to the Clinical Commissioning Group when they take over commissioning function.”
Comments(9)
Jack Herer
says...
11:37am Tue 3 Jul 12
prince of darkness wrote:The unions themselves have given everything away here when they said; "The posts most likely to be affected are highly skilled, senior-graded practisioners who design and improve procedures for patients cared for at home and in the community"
Here we go make savings to pay for the refugees. We carnt look after our own, but non UK open arms with full benifits.Need I say more.
These people are not front line care, not by a long chalk. These are made up jobs in the first place. Someone who designs and improves procedures? In the health service?
What we need is doctors and nurses and specialists, not highly paid pen pushers designing procedures which no one uses nor cares about.
Did Labour wastage of public money know no bounds if we have 500 of these completely unnecessary people in East Lancashire alone? All on handsome pensions of course, which the working man in the street can only dream of.
Labour has so much to answer for. Labour has let down the man in the street beyond belief.
Jack Herer
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11:40am Tue 3 Jul 12
prince of darkness wrote:Although it's a completely separate issue, you have Labour again to thank for all those immigrants we have.
Here we go make savings to pay for the refugees. We carnt look after our own, but non UK open arms with full benifits.Need I say more.
They opened the borders thinking none would come, but lo and behold millions did, and now the rest of us are stuck with this problem.
Gordon Brown thought you were a bigot even if you just said there was a problem.
We are only having to make huge savings because of the shambles Labour left this country.
jack daniels
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1:59pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Jack Herer wrote:It comes as no surprise to learn you have absolutely no idea what you are writing about as you fail to understand the term ‘practitioners’.
prince of darkness wrote: Here we go make savings to pay for the refugees. We carnt look after our own, but non UK open arms with full benifits.Need I say more.The unions themselves have given everything away here when they said; "The posts most likely to be affected are highly skilled, senior-graded practisioners who design and improve procedures for patients cared for at home and in the community" These people are not front line care, not by a long chalk. These are made up jobs in the first place. Someone who designs and improves procedures? In the health service? What we need is doctors and nurses and specialists, not highly paid pen pushers designing procedures which no one uses nor cares about. Did Labour wastage of public money know no bounds if we have 500 of these completely unnecessary people in East Lancashire alone? All on handsome pensions of course, which the working man in the street can only dream of. Labour has so much to answer for. Labour has let down the man in the street beyond belief.
The unions are talking about your experienced nurses who are able to assess the situation and implement a suitable health based care package to ensure the patients receives all the help they need. It’s this group of skilled staff that helps stop the NHS overspending on an individual or spending too little.
I expect we’ll see both an increase in the use of funds in community commissioned packages and more complaints arising from missed health needs because our dedicated experienced NHS staff have been made unemployed by a government nobody voted in.
kate11
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2:10pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Also just wondering do we have a chief exec anymore as the only person ever mentioned is Lyn Wissett who is the deputy?
Has everyone received a booklet about trying to become a Foundation hospital? How much has that cost!
jack daniels
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2:14pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Jack Herer wrote:Yeah…. because we never had immigration under a Conservative, Liberal or Condem government did we?
prince of darkness wrote: Here we go make savings to pay for the refugees. We carnt look after our own, but non UK open arms with full benifits.Need I say more.Although it's a completely separate issue, you have Labour again to thank for all those immigrants we have. They opened the borders thinking none would come, but lo and behold millions did, and now the rest of us are stuck with this problem. Gordon Brown thought you were a bigot even if you just said there was a problem. We are only having to make huge savings because of the shambles Labour left this country.
Seriously though; how come the entire world accepts the fact that the banks made a mess of the problem – except for you, lifeinthemix and the readers of the daily mail?
Clearly Liebour tried to stimulate growth by employing people to repair all the damage done by the previous Tory party. Unfortunately, the WORLD BANKING CRISIS came at a bad time and THE WHOLE WORLD has been thrown into disarray.
A European Leader even commented on the US being at fault for the world financial crisis last week at that G20 summit.
Can’t help but think you are on the loosing team with this one…
Jack Herer
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4:49pm Tue 3 Jul 12
jack daniels wrote:Ha, ha, as it happens you are completely wrong.
Jack Herer wrote:It comes as no surprise to learn you have absolutely no idea what you are writing about as you fail to understand the term ‘practitioners’.
prince of darkness wrote: Here we go make savings to pay for the refugees. We carnt look after our own, but non UK open arms with full benifits.Need I say more.The unions themselves have given everything away here when they said; "The posts most likely to be affected are highly skilled, senior-graded practisioners who design and improve procedures for patients cared for at home and in the community" These people are not front line care, not by a long chalk. These are made up jobs in the first place. Someone who designs and improves procedures? In the health service? What we need is doctors and nurses and specialists, not highly paid pen pushers designing procedures which no one uses nor cares about. Did Labour wastage of public money know no bounds if we have 500 of these completely unnecessary people in East Lancashire alone? All on handsome pensions of course, which the working man in the street can only dream of. Labour has so much to answer for. Labour has let down the man in the street beyond belief.
The unions are talking about your experienced nurses who are able to assess the situation and implement a suitable health based care package to ensure the patients receives all the help they need. It’s this group of skilled staff that helps stop the NHS overspending on an individual or spending too little.
I expect we’ll see both an increase in the use of funds in community commissioned packages and more complaints arising from missed health needs because our dedicated experienced NHS staff have been made unemployed by a government nobody voted in.
I have first hand experience of these useless "procedures" as it happens. I have sat there, mouth agape, at a meeting going through one of these procedures and just thought to myself, what a complete joke when what we actually need is real nurses and real doctors.
They are neither use nor ornament to anyone these procedures. I have shared a joke with GPs in fact,
them instigating not me, regarding how totally useless they are.
Why are these "procedures" done on a PCT per PCT basis I wondered when I came across this bizarrely useless profession of "procedure creator" for the first time? Why do North Lincs PCT, for instance, need different procedures than Blackburn with Darwen PCT? Do both PCTs, with the same drug procedures, and the same Dept of Health, and the same IT systems, really need 500 people, each, to decide their own procedures? Of course they don't, it's a waste of money on a grand scale from Labour.
You are surely a big wig with the unions Jack Daniels. Did you not get the memo? The time of greed is coming to a close. The public is sick to death of spongers stealing their money. They want fairness and they want value for money.
They don't want 500 highly paid pen pushers in every PCT dreaming up procedures which nobody uses. Those people on unbelievably unfair pensions are exactly the type of thing that it's disgusting that the public have to pay for.
Who's looking after the interests of the man in the street Jack Daniels? Not you and your Labour / unions chums that's for sure. You want to see the man in the street shafted so you can continue your completely unfair raping of his finances.
The unions used to stand for something decent you know. Not champagne socialists like you who are solely after greedy self interest, and who look down their nose at the man in the street.
jack daniels
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7:22pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Jack Herer wrote:Sorry to burst your little bubble but I don't think being sat in one procedure gives you insight to what this article is on about or the basis to build an opinion on various PCT's. The story is about experienced front line staff NOT pen pushers. You should be a man about owning up to your mistakes. This is however your typical modus operandi as your hatred of Gordon Brown has started to consume your every waking moment. Interesting how you continue your diatribe about me as an excuse not to discuss the issues about long term immigration and world recession. The truth upsetting you again herer! Still, you have to love a trier.
jack daniels wrote:Ha, ha, as it happens you are completely wrong.
Jack Herer wrote:It comes as no surprise to learn you have absolutely no idea what you are writing about as you fail to understand the term ‘practitioners’.
prince of darkness wrote: Here we go make savings to pay for the refugees. We carnt look after our own, but non UK open arms with full benifits.Need I say more.The unions themselves have given everything away here when they said; "The posts most likely to be affected are highly skilled, senior-graded practisioners who design and improve procedures for patients cared for at home and in the community" These people are not front line care, not by a long chalk. These are made up jobs in the first place. Someone who designs and improves procedures? In the health service? What we need is doctors and nurses and specialists, not highly paid pen pushers designing procedures which no one uses nor cares about. Did Labour wastage of public money know no bounds if we have 500 of these completely unnecessary people in East Lancashire alone? All on handsome pensions of course, which the working man in the street can only dream of. Labour has so much to answer for. Labour has let down the man in the street beyond belief.
The unions are talking about your experienced nurses who are able to assess the situation and implement a suitable health based care package to ensure the patients receives all the help they need. It’s this group of skilled staff that helps stop the NHS overspending on an individual or spending too little.
I expect we’ll see both an increase in the use of funds in community commissioned packages and more complaints arising from missed health needs because our dedicated experienced NHS staff have been made unemployed by a government nobody voted in.
I have first hand experience of these useless "procedures" as it happens. I have sat there, mouth agape, at a meeting going through one of these procedures and just thought to myself, what a complete joke when what we actually need is real nurses and real doctors.
They are neither use nor ornament to anyone these procedures. I have shared a joke with GPs in fact,
them instigating not me, regarding how totally useless they are.
Why are these "procedures" done on a PCT per PCT basis I wondered when I came across this bizarrely useless profession of "procedure creator" for the first time? Why do North Lincs PCT, for instance, need different procedures than Blackburn with Darwen PCT? Do both PCTs, with the same drug procedures, and the same Dept of Health, and the same IT systems, really need 500 people, each, to decide their own procedures? Of course they don't, it's a waste of money on a grand scale from Labour.
You are surely a big wig with the unions Jack Daniels. Did you not get the memo? The time of greed is coming to a close. The public is sick to death of spongers stealing their money. They want fairness and they want value for money.
They don't want 500 highly paid pen pushers in every PCT dreaming up procedures which nobody uses. Those people on unbelievably unfair pensions are exactly the type of thing that it's disgusting that the public have to pay for.
Who's looking after the interests of the man in the street Jack Daniels? Not you and your Labour / unions chums that's for sure. You want to see the man in the street shafted so you can continue your completely unfair raping of his finances.
The unions used to stand for something decent you know. Not champagne socialists like you who are solely after greedy self interest, and who look down their nose at the man in the street.
Chris P Bacon
says...
9:07pm Thu 5 Jul 12
Jack Herer wrote:Herer, behave yourself; you're looking extremely foolish. Why blast away at your targets when you have no ammunition? There isn't one single comment you make in your Daily-Mail type diatribe that deserves treating with anything other than scorn. I'm sure the Daily Hate and the sun readers will side with you so why not take your one-eyed myopic opinions where they will be greeted with applause from fly-catchers like yourself?
jack daniels wrote:Ha, ha, as it happens you are completely wrong.
Jack Herer wrote:It comes as no surprise to learn you have absolutely no idea what you are writing about as you fail to understand the term ‘practitioners’.
prince of darkness wrote: Here we go make savings to pay for the refugees. We carnt look after our own, but non UK open arms with full benifits.Need I say more.The unions themselves have given everything away here when they said; "The posts most likely to be affected are highly skilled, senior-graded practisioners who design and improve procedures for patients cared for at home and in the community" These people are not front line care, not by a long chalk. These are made up jobs in the first place. Someone who designs and improves procedures? In the health service? What we need is doctors and nurses and specialists, not highly paid pen pushers designing procedures which no one uses nor cares about. Did Labour wastage of public money know no bounds if we have 500 of these completely unnecessary people in East Lancashire alone? All on handsome pensions of course, which the working man in the street can only dream of. Labour has so much to answer for. Labour has let down the man in the street beyond belief.
The unions are talking about your experienced nurses who are able to assess the situation and implement a suitable health based care package to ensure the patients receives all the help they need. It’s this group of skilled staff that helps stop the NHS overspending on an individual or spending too little.
I expect we’ll see both an increase in the use of funds in community commissioned packages and more complaints arising from missed health needs because our dedicated experienced NHS staff have been made unemployed by a government nobody voted in.
I have first hand experience of these useless "procedures" as it happens. I have sat there, mouth agape, at a meeting going through one of these procedures and just thought to myself, what a complete joke when what we actually need is real nurses and real doctors.
They are neither use nor ornament to anyone these procedures. I have shared a joke with GPs in fact,
them instigating not me, regarding how totally useless they are.
Why are these "procedures" done on a PCT per PCT basis I wondered when I came across this bizarrely useless profession of "procedure creator" for the first time? Why do North Lincs PCT, for instance, need different procedures than Blackburn with Darwen PCT? Do both PCTs, with the same drug procedures, and the same Dept of Health, and the same IT systems, really need 500 people, each, to decide their own procedures? Of course they don't, it's a waste of money on a grand scale from Labour.
You are surely a big wig with the unions Jack Daniels. Did you not get the memo? The time of greed is coming to a close. The public is sick to death of spongers stealing their money. They want fairness and they want value for money.
They don't want 500 highly paid pen pushers in every PCT dreaming up procedures which nobody uses. Those people on unbelievably unfair pensions are exactly the type of thing that it's disgusting that the public have to pay for.
Who's looking after the interests of the man in the street Jack Daniels? Not you and your Labour / unions chums that's for sure. You want to see the man in the street shafted so you can continue your completely unfair raping of his finances.
The unions used to stand for something decent you know. Not champagne socialists like you who are solely after greedy self interest, and who look down their nose at the man in the street.
prince of darkness says...
10:54am Tue 3 Jul 12