Top Lancashire cop: We should turn blind eye to public sex (From Lancashire Telegraph)
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Top Lancashire cop: We should turn blind eye to public sex
9:10am Saturday 18th October 2008 in Tockholes
By Sally Henfield
CONTROVERSY: Deputy Chief Constable Mike Cunningham
A LANCASHIRE police chief has been slammed for saying officers should sometimes turn a blind eye to people having sex in public.
Deputy Chief Constable Mike Cunningham said people engaging in 'dogging' or 'cottaging' should be ignored unless members of the public complained.
He said officers should only arrest people caught having sex in parks and public toilets as a last resort as their role is not that of “moral arbiter”.
Mr Cunningham leads on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers.
His comments were made in a report he has produced entitled Police Public Sex Environments which could become national policy.
But councillors and residents in areas blighted by dogging and cottaging said that Mr Cunningham was out of touch.
Dozens of Lancashire beauty spots had become 'no-go' areas in recent years after being taken over by gay men meeting for casual sex in public toilets or couples inviting strangers to take part in lewd acts in car parks and lay-bys.
Valentines Road, off the A666 in Darwen, had to be closed off in 2006 after perverts started to use it as a cut-through to park up and meet random people for sex.
Coun Jean Rigby, North Turton and Tockholes ward, said: "I have been driving down there and seen wagon drivers standing by their cabs with next to nothing on, or two people huddled up in the front of a car.
“They are quite blatant in what they are doing.
"Mr Cunningham's comments make me very angry. He has obviously never spoken to a woman who has had to go past this kind of thing.
"It is intimidating and frightening. Police presence should be at these sites permanently to reclaim them for families."
The public toilets in Laneshawbridge, near Colne, have faced closure after being used as a meeting place for gay men.
A hole had even been cut into one of the toilet doors so that people could engage in anonymous sex acts.
Roger Bucknell, chair of Laneshawbridge Parish Council, said: "Allowing this kind of activity to take place would be unacceptable."
A ranger had to be introduced in Wycoller Country Park after parts of the site became plagued by people hunting cheap sexual thrills after it was listed on a dogging website.
The nightly patrols led to the majority of the park being reclaimed for family use.
Barry Hodgson, chair of Trawden Parish Council, said: "Policing the park is important but officers probably feel they are banging their heads against a brick wall because few cases ever go to court."
Shadow home secretary Dominic Grieve said of Mr Cunningham’s comments: “This is unacceptable. The law is the law and there should be no exceptions.”
The Dean of Blackburn Cathedral Chris Armstrong said that police could only act if a law was being broken: "It is very sad and inappropriate behaviour from these people, which causes acute embarrassment to anyone who is unfortunate to stumble across it.
"But it is a question of immorality rather than illegality.”
People having sex in public can be arrested for outraging public decency, voyeurism or exposure in public toilets under the Sexual Offences Act 2003.
Mr Cunningham said previous policing of such sites had alienated the gay community and that officers should respond in context to the situation.
He said punishing those involved rarely solved the problem and could cause ‘humiliation, breakdown of relationships and the outing of men”.
Mr Cunningham said in the report: "In any event it is not for the police to take the role of moral arbiter, the police role is to ensure that any complaints are dealt with fairly and professionally and that where individuals are engaged in lawful activity they may do so safely.”
Mr Cunningham's guidance report will now go forward to a committee of senior police officers who will decided if it should be put in place across England and Wales.
An Acpo spokeswoman said: “This document has been put forward as a developing proposal.”
Comments(55)
Jimmy Paterson
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9:18am Fri 17 Oct 08
Ian_G
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11:02am Fri 17 Oct 08
What planet is Mr Cunningham on?!?
What about the rights of the decent, law abiding, tax paying citizens?
Why should we have to put up with this disgusting behaviour in public places?
It appears that Mr Cunningham is saying that so as not to alienate the filthy 0.01% of people that want to practice their sordid fetishes in public, the 99.99% of us that do not share their perversion should have to shut up and put up with it because we might offend them!
These comments are utterly offensive. The law exists to protect he public, not to turn a blind eye to certain activities because they might alienate a tiny repulsive minority!
How would anyone feel if their children were to witness the activities of these people?
I say NO! Political correctness has gone too far and Mr Cunningham should be totally ashamed of himself.
brok
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11:29am Fri 17 Oct 08
We should not give a dam if we upset anyone who is likely to offend the rest of the community in this way.
I expect the 'right on' politically correct Deputy Chief Constable Michael Cunningham will be most worried if angry parents and relations decided to take their own action to rid public places of these creeps of either sexual orientation. In public is not the place for sex.
Just one more thing political correctness is dying, people are fed up with it; those with an eye to public policy would be well advised to help it on its way.
Akki
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12:40pm Fri 17 Oct 08
Could it be that Mr Cunningham is a secretive member of the gay community?
Catweazle-Gary
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1:27pm Fri 17 Oct 08
What next will it be OK to wave a gun or knife in PUBLIC! get on with what you are payed for and STOP taking the easy route and make our Country SAFE!!
Jimpster
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2:06pm Fri 17 Oct 08
and this comes from one of the great unwashed been on the dole and disability for the last 5 years would love to work but not allowed
Akki
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2:54pm Fri 17 Oct 08
Answer: YES
BacupBoy
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4:05pm Fri 17 Oct 08
Oscar56
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7:04pm Fri 17 Oct 08
Akki
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8:56pm Fri 17 Oct 08
"Officers should turn a blind eye to dogging and cottaging by consenting adults"
mickyfin
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2:04pm Sat 18 Oct 08
Ian123xyz
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8:49pm Sat 18 Oct 08
The less police/state involvement in the sex life of consenting adults the better!!
workaholic
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9:03pm Sat 18 Oct 08
Opti
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9:06pm Sat 18 Oct 08
I would suggest anyone with a big vicious dog choose these places for a late night walk.
A new take on 'dogging' maybe.
Owdfettler
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9:43pm Sat 18 Oct 08
I wonder how many of his very senior colleagues agree/disagree with him.
Perhaps we'll never know.
Oscar56
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11:08pm Sat 18 Oct 08
My reading of the 2003 Sexual Offences Act tells me that if a person masturbates while sitting alone in a locked and intact toilet cubicle he commits an act which makes him liable to imprisonment.
Is this what people want?Is this what Dominic Grieve wants? Does Mr Grieve really know what the law says?
If he, or anybody else, can show me that my interpretation is wrong then I will gladly withdraw and apologise.
RDA
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7:42am Sun 19 Oct 08
RAyzer
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10:11am Sun 19 Oct 08
ey out of touch with the publics oppinon,and they seem to think there untouchable..the remark he made is ludicrous..sack him and bulstrom a.s.a.p
holsten pils
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12:49pm Sun 19 Oct 08
mickyfin
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5:35pm Sun 19 Oct 08
holsten pils
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9:23pm Sun 19 Oct 08
Akki
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10:32pm Sun 19 Oct 08
mickyfin
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11:13am Fri 24 Oct 08
bankhall
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12:50pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Chris P Bacon
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4:06pm Thu 31 Dec 09
retired one
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4:19pm Thu 31 Dec 09
Hellboy
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7:18pm Thu 31 Dec 09
A baseball bat and a pitbull would give the dirty little pervs a short sharp shock and I would be happy to go out patrolling these area free of charge.
i do not ever want my young daughter to witness disgusting behaviour like this and consider it my moral duty to ensure that she does not.
Hellboy
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7:20pm Thu 31 Dec 09
cyberpaul
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10:52am Fri 1 Jan 10
Speaking from his masonic lodge, the head of the Metropolitan Police, Sir Ivan Elluva-Pensionplan, said " Hopefully, this latest initiative in modern policing will avoid offending members of the criminal community whose rights we take very seriously. Also, it will enable us to free-up more officers so we can keep on waging our all-out war on motorists and get as much money of them as possible for my retirement fund. I mean, to invest in road safety".
powerpop
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1:57pm Fri 1 Jan 10
paolowhite
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2:26pm Fri 1 Jan 10
Akki wrote:is homosexuality not already legal?
The way this country is going pretty soon they will legalise homosexuality and adultery
Nostradamous
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5:50pm Fri 1 Jan 10
Fat Flan
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6:19pm Fri 1 Jan 10
cyberpaul
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6:51pm Fri 1 Jan 10
The it was legalised.
Then it became acceptable,
Nowadays it is fashionable.
I have decided to emigrate before it is made compulsory.
TomRoberts
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7:38pm Fri 1 Jan 10
Roverthere
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8:17pm Fri 1 Jan 10
sanpedro
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9:30pm Fri 1 Jan 10
onlyonesimongarner
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11:21am Sat 2 Jan 10
Nostradamous
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2:55pm Sat 2 Jan 10
lsm
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3:26pm Sat 2 Jan 10
well i have news for him.
he should be in a cell a paded one what a clown this man is.
pdb951
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3:50pm Sat 2 Jan 10
frank
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7:26pm Sat 2 Jan 10
frank
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7:29pm Sat 2 Jan 10
cyberpaul wrote:the way this country is going pretty soon it will be illegal to be a normal white english male.
Homosexuality was once illegal.
The it was legalised.
Then it became acceptable,
Nowadays it is fashionable.
I have decided to emigrate before it is made compulsory.
frank
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7:29pm Sat 2 Jan 10
cyberpaul wrote:the way this country is going pretty soon it will be illegal to be a normal white english male.
Homosexuality was once illegal.
The it was legalised.
Then it became acceptable,
Nowadays it is fashionable.
I have decided to emigrate before it is made compulsory.
disgusted tunbridge wells
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8:15pm Sat 2 Jan 10
Makes a nice change from "Evening all" what on Earth George Dixon will make of all this goodness only knows
disgusted tunbridge wells
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8:18pm Sat 2 Jan 10
It's not illegal but you cannot join the police
onlyonesimongarner
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9:28am Sun 3 Jan 10
Not exactly Current News!!!
Fat Flan
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10:54am Sun 3 Jan 10
onlyonesimongarner wrote:Yes it it, for every parent, for every concerned adult and for everyone whose political representatives have destroyed the very foundations that family life was once based. Even in my career, those politically correct usual were promoted well ahead of others who stood their ground and raised the genuine issues, where personality took precidence over substance - and this is an issue of substance.
It is still a 2 /12 year old story your all getting worked up about though.
Not exactly Current News!!!
Davidoff
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12:25pm Sun 3 Jan 10
That was once a popular haven for people to flail about in the undergrowth and find a couple of chavs copulating. Many a time a walker, out for a nice Sunday walk through the wood would come across another kind of wildlife - two having it off amongst the ferns. Not a nice thing to come across when out for a pleasant day's walk.
TenerifeBlue
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5:12pm Sun 3 Jan 10
This is a free country, so long as your not blantantly in full view of people were is the harm?
The police have much better things to do than ticking off consenting adults for having a quickie down a country lane
Mike Costa
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1:04pm Mon 4 Jan 10
sanpedro wrote:Mike Costa says:
With an election on the horizon oh for a chance to vote for a party that would outlaw politically correct and racial nonsense, bring back capital punishment for premeditated murder and birching for the thugs. cruel maybe but the crime rate would surely fall and before the do-gooders jump in remember the generations that that made Britain great were quite often caned for misdemeanours at school and still developed into normal people.
LOL !!
What a wag !!
barranquillabummer
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10:02pm Thu 7 Jan 10
britainnow
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5:47pm Wed 24 Apr 13
britainnow
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5:51pm Wed 24 Apr 13
britainnow
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6:17pm Wed 24 Apr 13
Akki clearly has no idea that homosexuality is legal in this country and adultery is not even on the statutes.
And of course we have the knee jerk reactionary comments conforming to the cultural "norm" from the usual clutch of idiots who are unable to think for themselves.
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