East Lancashire heart failure charity founder brands Fabrice Muamba’s honorary doctorate 'a sick PR stunt' (From Lancashire Telegraph)

I don't understand this! Why is he receiving the award and not the people that assisted him. Surely he should be presenting the award, not receiving it?

I agree with Mr Hartshorne-Evans, it's the lifesavers who should have recognition.

It would seem to be fair to suggest it is a PR stunt or a pointless exercise.
Imagine - he says I got a Doctorate. Oh what did you get that for? I died.

It's great that Fabrice survived.

It's even greater that the various medics and technical staff and all concerned in his recovery are there. And they have had the dedication and knowledge and care to keep him in one piece.

This is a PR stunt.....and in really bad taste.

Of course it's a PR stunt, but so what?

People die every day from this condition, however the fact that Muamba is a Prem footballer and this was witnessed around the world by millions watching live on TV has raised an awareness - to carry on publicising and raising awareness can't be a bad thing can it?

The guy in the story needs totake a reality check - in fact i'd say its him who is seeking publicity.

Absolute joke, its the people who saved him that should be recognised. It was tragic when it happened but through skill and knowledge these people brought him back, they deserve the honour, the strange thing is these people do this evey day and expect nothing in return. Thats the mark of someone who deserves it.

Oh what a strange world we live in.

Agree completely with this guy. When I first heard the story it seemed somewhat odd. Surely it would have made more logical sense (and got just as much publicity) to give the honorary doctorate to the doctor who saved him.....

Just before I was about to start brushing my teeth the other day I spotted a spider in my sink which without doubt would have been washed down the sink hole and drowned however I diligently spotted it and gently removed him before putting him in my airing cupboard keeping him nice and warm. I basically saved his life.

...... I think I deserve a degree or something for that.....

I think Irene Wickers has summed up perfectly the purpose of the honary degree and recognised that it is far more reaching than just Muamba receiving it... it represents all invilved in the process. Pumping Marvellous has left me wondering what exactly is their purpose other than to be self serving. The teen girl who suffered a heart attack and now raises awareness... fair enough I commend you for giving up your time, but you really should learn some manners and stop behaving like a brat, your life was saved and Muamba is accepting this honarary degree to raise awareness not only of heart disease but also to the efforts of those who save lives due to it.... he is in the spot light and has overcome many adversities, he is an excellent choice and is far more reaching than the average joe... at the end of the day a PR stunt but heart disease is getting some recognition and hopefully some funding

I agree with the criticism, it's an embarrassing attempt by a so-called `university' to get their name in those sections of the press that are read by football fans - probably their main source of students.

A doctorate from a proper university is a recognition of academic distinction. It speaks volumes about Bolton `University' that it awards a doctorate to a footballer who has done nothing except survive a heart attack.

Places like this are a con. The poor schoolkids who are persuaded to borrow tens of thousands of pounds in the belief that a `university' education is a passport to a good career will find to their cost that a degree from some jumped up technical college is not considered remotely equivalent to a degree from a proper university, and that their tuition fees have in all too many cases been a complete waste of money.

Legal Beagle wrote:
I agree with the criticism, it's an embarrassing attempt by a so-called `university' to get their name in those sections of the press that are read by football fans - probably their main source of students.

A doctorate from a proper university is a recognition of academic distinction. It speaks volumes about Bolton `University' that it awards a doctorate to a footballer who has done nothing except survive a heart attack.

Places like this are a con. The poor schoolkids who are persuaded to borrow tens of thousands of pounds in the belief that a `university' education is a passport to a good career will find to their cost that a degree from some jumped up technical college is not considered remotely equivalent to a degree from a proper university, and that their tuition fees have in all too many cases been a complete waste of money.

Check out Bolton University first and see firstly how they have kept their fees low compared to other universities and then look at the funding, grants etc that they do award to those who can not afford. Where are you getting 'a jumped up technical college' from....is it because people in Lancs attend and have the same low intelligence as yourself!!!??? Muamba is actually self educated and has undertaken many paths of learning.... he is not your average footballer, but someone who has worked for what he has.... try doing a little research first and also compare the difference of a doctorate and honorary doctorate..... this is a win-win situation for many ....but of course the same old 'what about me' crowd have to whinge

merighthere wrote:

Legal Beagle wrote:
I agree with the criticism, it's an embarrassing attempt by a so-called `university' to get their name in those sections of the press that are read by football fans - probably their main source of students.

A doctorate from a proper university is a recognition of academic distinction. It speaks volumes about Bolton `University' that it awards a doctorate to a footballer who has done nothing except survive a heart attack.

Places like this are a con. The poor schoolkids who are persuaded to borrow tens of thousands of pounds in the belief that a `university' education is a passport to a good career will find to their cost that a degree from some jumped up technical college is not considered remotely equivalent to a degree from a proper university, and that their tuition fees have in all too many cases been a complete waste of money.

Check out Bolton University first and see firstly how they have kept their fees low compared to other universities and then look at the funding, grants etc that they do award to those who can not afford. Where are you getting 'a jumped up technical college' from....is it because people in Lancs attend and have the same low intelligence as yourself!!!??? Muamba is actually self educated and has undertaken many paths of learning.... he is not your average footballer, but someone who has worked for what he has.... try doing a little research first and also compare the difference of a doctorate and honorary doctorate..... this is a win-win situation for many ....but of course the same old 'what about me' crowd have to whinge

So how long has muamba employed you as his brown nose bottom wiper? I'd never heard of this guy before the media pushed him to this saint like status. In the real world he's just an excessively overpaid entertainer and the university is a disgrace for the feeble link between him and real hero's on that day.

Lets be honest, all he did was just lie there....

jack daniels wrote:

merighthere wrote:

Legal Beagle wrote:
I agree with the criticism, it's an embarrassing attempt by a so-called `university' to get their name in those sections of the press that are read by football fans - probably their main source of students.

A doctorate from a proper university is a recognition of academic distinction. It speaks volumes about Bolton `University' that it awards a doctorate to a footballer who has done nothing except survive a heart attack.

Places like this are a con. The poor schoolkids who are persuaded to borrow tens of thousands of pounds in the belief that a `university' education is a passport to a good career will find to their cost that a degree from some jumped up technical college is not considered remotely equivalent to a degree from a proper university, and that their tuition fees have in all too many cases been a complete waste of money.

Check out Bolton University first and see firstly how they have kept their fees low compared to other universities and then look at the funding, grants etc that they do award to those who can not afford. Where are you getting 'a jumped up technical college' from....is it because people in Lancs attend and have the same low intelligence as yourself!!!??? Muamba is actually self educated and has undertaken many paths of learning.... he is not your average footballer, but someone who has worked for what he has.... try doing a little research first and also compare the difference of a doctorate and honorary doctorate..... this is a win-win situation for many ....but of course the same old 'what about me' crowd have to whinge

So how long has muamba employed you as his brown nose bottom wiper? I'd never heard of this guy before the media pushed him to this saint like status. In the real world he's just an excessively overpaid entertainer and the university is a disgrace for the feeble link between him and real hero's on that day.

Lets be honest, all he did was just lie there....

I think you have had too much of your namesake! Have a little compassion for what he went through.

Jack daniels.... your comments just show ignorance. Just because YOU hadn;t heard about him no-one else had??!!! I am involved with programmes which have benefitted from Muamba BEFORE his heart condition and I am also seeing how peoples awareness since this happened to Muamba have benefitted a couple of local heart charities financially and also with people wanting to donate their time. Any info about Bolton Uni is common knowledge .... but as I already wrote always the whingers and certainly the ignorant!!!

A Darener wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

merighthere wrote:

Legal Beagle wrote:
I agree with the criticism, it's an embarrassing attempt by a so-called `university' to get their name in those sections of the press that are read by football fans - probably their main source of students.

A doctorate from a proper university is a recognition of academic distinction. It speaks volumes about Bolton `University' that it awards a doctorate to a footballer who has done nothing except survive a heart attack.

Places like this are a con. The poor schoolkids who are persuaded to borrow tens of thousands of pounds in the belief that a `university' education is a passport to a good career will find to their cost that a degree from some jumped up technical college is not considered remotely equivalent to a degree from a proper university, and that their tuition fees have in all too many cases been a complete waste of money.

Check out Bolton University first and see firstly how they have kept their fees low compared to other universities and then look at the funding, grants etc that they do award to those who can not afford. Where are you getting 'a jumped up technical college' from....is it because people in Lancs attend and have the same low intelligence as yourself!!!??? Muamba is actually self educated and has undertaken many paths of learning.... he is not your average footballer, but someone who has worked for what he has.... try doing a little research first and also compare the difference of a doctorate and honorary doctorate..... this is a win-win situation for many ....but of course the same old 'what about me' crowd have to whinge

So how long has muamba employed you as his brown nose bottom wiper? I'd never heard of this guy before the media pushed him to this saint like status. In the real world he's just an excessively overpaid entertainer and the university is a disgrace for the feeble link between him and real hero's on that day.

Lets be honest, all he did was just lie there....

I think you have had too much of your namesake! Have a little compassion for what he went through.

He's not the first and not the last. I'm glad he's recovering as much as I'd wish for anybody else. I just don't think the sun shines out of his bottom like some people do.

merighthere wrote:
Jack daniels.... your comments just show ignorance. Just because YOU hadn;t heard about him no-one else had??!!! I am involved with programmes which have benefitted from Muamba BEFORE his heart condition and I am also seeing how peoples awareness since this happened to Muamba have benefitted a couple of local heart charities financially and also with people wanting to donate their time. Any info about Bolton Uni is common knowledge .... but as I already wrote always the whingers and certainly the ignorant!!!

But none of that is relevant to the story or the pathetic reason behind it. You came on here, insulting the good people of Lancashire just because we can see through the media hype and you have the nerve to call us low intelligent!

Somewhere there's a bottom that needs kissing.

Jack Daniels you certainly have proved you are obsessed with anything anal, every single post..... as far as insulting I think you did that all on your own... you still aren't coming across as too bright!!!

Nice slap in the face for those who worked part-time to get a degree, to see a Doctorate given away.
Wouldn't an Honourary degree not suffice in this instance?

I was going to go out tonight but the comments from Jack Daniels' took my breath away 'All he did was just lie there' it disgusted me put me on a real downer Fabrice Muamba has been through enough I work unpaid with blind and disabled people and they have more will, guts and cheerfulness than many of the poor unfortunate hard done to millionaire celebrities or people paid to kick a ball around for a hour or so, self-pitying time wasting fellas like Jack Daniels get lost

I will address Jack Daniels... YOU spouted that Bolton University was akin to a technical college.... I responded to YOUR put downs, in fact along with all your other disgusting comments this one also angered me as I know plenty of people here in Blackburn who are working and getting a degree fronm Bolton and are able to because of the funding and assistance they offer. YOU on the otherhand are an ignorant troll who seems absolutely facinated with anything to do with the anal cavity... I suggest you improve your reading comprehension, check your facts and try not have a tantrum everytime somebody disagrees with you... in other words, get a grip

merighthere wrote:
I will address Jack Daniels... YOU spouted that Bolton University was akin to a technical college.... I responded to YOUR put downs, in fact along with all your other disgusting comments this one also angered me as I know plenty of people here in Blackburn who are working and getting a degree fronm Bolton and are able to because of the funding and assistance they offer. YOU on the otherhand are an ignorant troll who seems absolutely facinated with anything to do with the anal cavity... I suggest you improve your reading comprehension, check your facts and try not have a tantrum everytime somebody disagrees with you... in other words, get a grip

I've never once mentioned Bolton uni.

Who's the thick ignoramus that needs to improve their reading comprehension?

That would be you...

Also. It was you who started name calling people first so don't come crying to me when you can't take what you dish out.

Martin Free Bird wrote:
I was going to go out tonight but the comments from Jack Daniels' took my breath away 'All he did was just lie there' it disgusted me put me on a real downer Fabrice Muamba has been through enough I work unpaid with blind and disabled people and they have more will, guts and cheerfulness than many of the poor unfortunate hard done to millionaire celebrities or people paid to kick a ball around for a hour or so, self-pitying time wasting fellas like Jack Daniels get lost

Considering that alcohol is a depressant, I'm glad you didn't go out as I'd hate to have your suicide on my hands. What I really don't understand is that it should be people like you that deserve the award not the footballer. I'm genuinely sorry that my comment offended you but I have to say that if you are going to continue working with VI, LD and phys dis people, you need to develop a thicker skin.

All the best,

Jack.

I am sorry but I think its disgusting that he should be awarded this, During his recovery Fabrice Muamba continually said it was God that had saved and no mention of the wonderful medical team.

Yes he may have raised some awareness of Heart Failure, but his press articles have also done some Damage to refer to an ICD which is an Internal Cardiac Defibrillator, as a Zapper is a insult to those of us who have these devices.

The press articles about Muamba have also caused problems for those who's condition will never improved enough to return to work let alone kick a football. As the press reports are read by those who make decisions about our income as many of us have no choice but to be on Benefits,

Thanks Jack, I do understand your points now you've explained, I am fiery sometimes and it seems you know how to light it! Also you saved me from getting a soaking on the way home, keep it up!, Martin Free Bird

Well like it or not, it has raised awareness!

I agree with Irene Vickers. Charities like CRY need constant publicity to keep their causes in the forefront of people's minds so that fundraising efforts are directed to them. The publicity around Muamba means that they get their name out there.

The bloke from Pumping Marvelous comes across badly in his approach and in my opinion is the one who's conducting a "sick PR stunt" by contacting the paper with negative comments instead of using the opportunity to highlight the positives that his organisation can bring.

Redbike wrote:
Of course it's a PR stunt, but so what?

People die every day from this condition, however the fact that Muamba is a Prem footballer and this was witnessed around the world by millions watching live on TV has raised an awareness - to carry on publicising and raising awareness can't be a bad thing can it?

The guy in the story needs totake a reality check - in fact i'd say its him who is seeking publicity.

At least the guy in the story knows what an Implantable cardioverter-defibri
llator is, unlike "Dr." Muamba, who simply calls it a zapper. Giving a doctorates to someone who lacks enough intelligence to know what is inside him is a joke!

"because of his position in the spotlight, has probably done more than we ever could to raise awareness.”

Considering that people still don't know the difference between a heart attack and sudden cardiac arrest, and that he doesn't know what an ICD is but has one implanted inside him, I would say he is doing a horrid job at educating the public about the condition. But if this is the type of education CRY likes, then good for them!

Personally, I prefer the facts and actual names. :)