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Darwen Vale school closed as teachers strike
11:40am Thursday 7th April 2011 in Darwen
By Nafeesa Shan, Reporter
PROTEST Teachers outside Darwen Vale this morning
MORE than 60 disgruntled teachers are protesting outside Darwen Vale High School this morning.
The NUT and NASUWT members at the school demonstrated after claiming management had failured to back up disciplinary actions against unruly pupils.
Cars honked their horns in support of the action as they drove passed the Holden Fold site.
Staff began protesting at 7.30am. Members of the National Union of Teachers met with the school’s bosses yesterday as they tried to avert action.
But last night the staff said they remained unsatisfied and the industrial action would continue as planned, closing the school for a day.
Last week a ballot revealed that members of the NUT and the NASUWT voted overwhelmingly to take strike action to protest against the management’s failure to support staff in dealing with challenging pupil behaviour.
The dispute is supported by members of the Association of Teachers and Lecturers (ATL) and the support staff’s union, UNISON.
NUT national executive and Blackburn with Darwen representative Simon Jones, manning the picket line, said: "We are delighted with the turnout and the support we are receiving.
"This is not a strike against pupils. It is about management, and management failure to support staff in dealing with challenging behaviour.
"No one wants to demonise the children here, they are no better or no worse than any other.
"The biggest difference between this school and other schools is the management failure to support staff."
He said negotiations would resume after the Easter holidays and it was hoped that further strike action can be avoided.
He said: “Members are taking strike action as a last resort because of the headteacher’s continued denials that there is a problem with pupil behaviour in the school.
"And her refusal to engage properly with staff and unions to find effective solutions to these challenges.”
Hilary Torpey, headteacher of Darwen Vale High School, said: “My main priority is around the wellbeing and education of our pupils and the best interests of the school.
"I want to ensure disruption is kept to a minimum.
“I am disappointed that the trade unions have chosen to take this action.
"The vast majority of pupils at Darwen Vale behave well and take their education seriously.
“We are in discussions with the unions and with the staff around how we can best resolve this situation so that staff feel well supported when they do need to deal with behaviour issues.”
Outside the school this morning, Harry Devonport, director of education at Blackburn with Darwen Borough Council, suggested the teachers had been hasty in going out on strike.
"I am very disappointed that, so quickly, teachers have felt the need to take strike action," he said.
"There has only been two meetings to discuss this. The council is working hard to bring the leadership of the school, together with the unions, to clarify what needs to be done."
Click on the links below for our video, photo gallery and previous stories on the Darwen Vale strike.
Comments(71)
Teacher10
says...
7:02pm Wed 6 Apr 11
"I want to ensure disruption is kept to a minimum.
“I am disappointed that the trade unions have chosen to take this action.
Hilary Horpey
Ms Torpey has no concerns for her staff whilst she is putting them through disciplinary procedures as a result of false allegations by pupils. She continues to waste hours of the management's time, as well as that of personnel staff, parents and pupils.
what kind of headteacher believes there is substance to ludicrous allegations by unruly pupils over the word of professional, reliable adults.
The trade unions have decided to take this action because it is the action 95 percent of the teaching staff want to take. Why should staff put up with this kind of lack of support? There is no exaggeration about the scale of the problem at this school. The incompetence of the management of this school needs to be exposed through the national news!
Teacher10
says...
7:02pm Wed 6 Apr 11
"I want to ensure disruption is kept to a minimum.
“I am disappointed that the trade unions have chosen to take this action.
Hilary Horpey
Ms Torpey has no concerns for her staff whilst she is putting them through disciplinary procedures as a result of false allegations by pupils. She continues to waste hours of the management's time, as well as that of personnel staff, parents and pupils.
what kind of headteacher believes there is substance to ludicrous allegations by unruly pupils over the word of professional, reliable adults.
The trade unions have decided to take this action because it is the action 95 percent of the teaching staff want to take. Why should staff put up with this kind of lack of support? There is no exaggeration about the scale of the problem at this school. The incompetence of the management of this school needs to be exposed through the national news!
george69
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8:01pm Wed 6 Apr 11
masterdebater.co.uk
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8:25pm Wed 6 Apr 11
Though just because your daughter is worthy of your pride doesn't mean there isn't a problem.
I am astonished at some of the behaviour I see by the kids coming out of that school compared to what it was like when I was there 20 years ago.
If 95 percent of the teachers think that there is a problem then one has to assume that there is.
Mary Queen of Spots
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8:32pm Wed 6 Apr 11
happycyclist
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10:47pm Wed 6 Apr 11
Simon Huggill, councillor and governor, went on national radio and claimed that because the school is built on a hill, it gets lashed with bad weather and that's what makes the pupils disruptive.
Class.
Dai Darwen
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10:47pm Wed 6 Apr 11
Dai Darwen
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10:49pm Wed 6 Apr 11
hasslem hasslem
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11:18pm Wed 6 Apr 11
Dai Darwen wrote:old chap - its the head not cracking the whip....that's the problem.
Something not just right here as I stated in the last forum. Last weekit was because of unruly pupils according to the LET. This week it is for the lack of backing by management. Could it be the head is cracking the whip and the teachers do not like it or just a clash of personalities. If so called well educated pillars of society cannot get round a table and thrash out a solution then there is little hope for the less well educated. Complete joke.
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she is viewed as effective as the proverbial chocolate teapot.
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if the teachers dont get the backing for disciplinary action - then they are impotent
Graham Hartley
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11:22pm Wed 6 Apr 11
vocalandtrue
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11:39pm Wed 6 Apr 11
Ermmm...it's not Narnia and lets remember that Moorland's staff never felt the need for industrial action because its pupils were out of control( and they were educated on said 'hill top'for years!!!!)
red rose 2
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12:13am Thu 7 Apr 11
happycyclist wrote:well said happycyclist: -
They were discussing this on 5-Live radio this morning, from 10.00am. Simon Huggill, councillor and governor, went on national radio and claimed that because the school is built on a hill, it gets lashed with bad weather and that's what makes the pupils disruptive. Class.
This is the same Governor (Coun Huggill) who wasted nearly £1m of taxpayers money in trying to stop the new Darwen Academy at Sudell Rd. He wanted it located at (you've guessed it), on the wind lashed site ! Is he on this planet ??
useyourhead
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1:38am Thu 7 Apr 11
Graham Hartley wrote:you would say that
Noswaith dda, Dai!
imp79
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7:19am Thu 7 Apr 11
Bat E Karen
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7:55am Thu 7 Apr 11
Have the kids only just moved to Darwen then?
HU
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9:12am Thu 7 Apr 11
I blame the parents and upbringing!
611b
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9:18am Thu 7 Apr 11
Teachers today spend most of their time trying to control the class rather than teach.
George 69 says the pupils are now getting the best ever grades at the school. This is difficult to prove when the exams are much easier. Let them try doing the exam papers from the 70's and then see how good they really are.
up_norf
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9:29am Thu 7 Apr 11
This little trolls ought to be 'weeded out', expelled and the school left for those children that wish to learn.
The parents of these children ought to be ashamed, as usual it is the classic case of over-indulgence and being afraid to say NO to their 'little treasures'.
midas
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9:34am Thu 7 Apr 11
Teacher10 wrote:An allegation can only be found to be false after it has been investigated.
“My main priority is around the wellbeing and education of our pupils and the best interests of the school. "I want to ensure disruption is kept to a minimum. “I am disappointed that the trade unions have chosen to take this action. Hilary Horpey Ms Torpey has no concerns for her staff whilst she is putting them through disciplinary procedures as a result of false allegations by pupils. She continues to waste hours of the management's time, as well as that of personnel staff, parents and pupils. what kind of headteacher believes there is substance to ludicrous allegations by unruly pupils over the word of professional, reliable adults. The trade unions have decided to take this action because it is the action 95 percent of the teaching staff want to take. Why should staff put up with this kind of lack of support? There is no exaggeration about the scale of the problem at this school. The incompetence of the management of this school needs to be exposed through the national news!
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"what kind of headteacher believes there is substance to ludicrous allegations by unruly pupils over the word of professional, reliable adults".
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What kind of headteacher automatically dismisses allegations because they come from an unruly pupil and the teacher in question denies it?
teachit
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9:54am Thu 7 Apr 11
Dai Darwen wrote:Did you take the time to read the reports properly?
Something not just right here as I stated in the last forum. Last weekit was because of unruly pupils according to the LET. This week it is for the lack of backing by management. Could it be the head is cracking the whip and the teachers do not like it or just a clash of personalities. If so called well educated pillars of society cannot get round a table and thrash out a solution then there is little hope for the less well educated. Complete joke.
The staff want to strike because of the behaviour of the pupils AND the lack of support from the Head when they try to do something about the behaviour.
How many hours do you work a week?
You obviously have time to study the racing forms- teachers spend alot of their time marking and writing detailed lesson plans.
teachit
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9:55am Thu 7 Apr 11
The staff want to strike because of the behaviour of the pupils AND the lack of support from the Head when they try to do something about the behaviour.
How many hours do you work a week?
You obviously have time to study the racing forms- teachers spend alot of their time marking and writing detailed lesson plans.
ant-darwen
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10:44am Thu 7 Apr 11
I know for a fact that this kind of behaviour would not even be dreamt of at schools such as Canon Slade and Saint Wilfrid’s, as the teachers there literally will not put up with such behaviour!
OBT2
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11:01am Thu 7 Apr 11
teachit wrote:Well said teachit. It really annoys me that when things like this happen its always because we 'want time off' and in this case to study the form for Aintree and the Ryder Cup.
Did you take the time to read the reports properly? The staff want to strike because of the behaviour of the pupils AND the lack of support from the Head when they try to do something about the behaviour. How many hours do you work a week? You obviously have time to study the racing forms- teachers spend alot of their time marking and writing detailed lesson plans.
It also annoys me that when this kind of thing happens it's because the teachers can't control the children. It's not about that. The children are far too familiar these days with rules, rights and responsibilities. They know what the rules are and they choose to flaunt them. They know their rights and that when they choose to misbehave we have no right to stop them. They also know that we have a responsibility to teach them regardless of their behaviour. The whole thing is just a vicious circle and that circle can be made complete or broken by an effective management team! There's nothing worse than you trying to uphold the rules of an establishment, decided on as a unitary staff, and then being undermined by the person at the top who wants to keep the peace by 'giving in'. If you back track on the small rules then it's a matter of time before the snowball gets bigger and this may be the case of what has happened here.
It's not all the children, but as I said before, it's their upbringing and role models they have at home. Being a teacher in a primary school myself, I can honestly say (again just like I did before) that this is the case of most schools these days except Darwen Vale has decided to act on something hopefully addressing a situation that could become very dangerous to those children who aren't involved.
Everyone has
-the right to learn
-the right to feel safe
-the right be respected...
... no matter who they are!
Well done Darwen Vale teaching staff, for standing up for something you truely believe in. There should be more people like you who stand up for what they believe in!
emma.mi
says...
11:11am Thu 7 Apr 11
A strike organized by professors creates difficulties for pupils and above inconvenience.Curren
tly, pupils are being taught temporarily at former Holden Fold school buildings, which have a capacity of only 800
Reopen the school, students must have the option of continuing their studies.
http://www.petitiono
nline.co.uk/petition
/reopen-the-school-d
arwen-vale/2657
OBT2
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11:26am Thu 7 Apr 11
emma.mi wrote:Im not sure i understand the point of this post???
At the last Ofsted inspection in June 2010, the Darwen Vale school was rated as a good school where behavior, the study and performance of pupils is considered positive. A strike organized by professors creates difficulties for pupils and above inconvenience.Curren tly, pupils are being taught temporarily at former Holden Fold school buildings, which have a capacity of only 800 Reopen the school, students must have the option of continuing their studies. http://www.petitiono nline.co.uk/petition /reopen-the-school-d arwen-vale/2657
They cant go back to their own building it's a bombsite!
mikebuk
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12:01pm Thu 7 Apr 11
gudari
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12:05pm Thu 7 Apr 11
HU wrote:Well done to the teachers and staff at DV! This lack of discipline all comes down to bad parenting and until something is done to target the parents of unruly schoolchildren, I can only see the problem becoming worse. Obviously, not all the students at DV are unruly but if teachers spend most of their time on crowd control rather than teaching the majority who want to progress, their teaching becomes less effective and everyone suffers as a result. In order for teachers to weed out the troublemakers, there needs to be support from the Head and governors which does not exist there.
the Kids need to be taught some respect
I blame the parents and upbringing!
gudari
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12:14pm Thu 7 Apr 11
mikebuk wrote:Mikebuk, You are obviously part of the problem! Kids have some rights but they have far more duties. Remember that word? DUTY? It is one that has sadly been forgotten by a lot of children, parents and lawmakers today. If I don't work, I don't get paid. Why should it be different for kids? They need to understand that duty comes before rights. Simple!
Teachers who are totally incapable to hold their audience should be fired. Don't blame the kids, boredom is a killer and causes frustration, hence people will play up.
HU
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12:28pm Thu 7 Apr 11
gudari wrote:Very true Gudari
HU wrote:Well done to the teachers and staff at DV! This lack of discipline all comes down to bad parenting and until something is done to target the parents of unruly schoolchildren, I can only see the problem becoming worse. Obviously, not all the students at DV are unruly but if teachers spend most of their time on crowd control rather than teaching the majority who want to progress, their teaching becomes less effective and everyone suffers as a result. In order for teachers to weed out the troublemakers, there needs to be support from the Head and governors which does not exist there.
the Kids need to be taught some respect
I blame the parents and upbringing!
My personal Opinion bring back the cane!
Detentions dont do anything, if anything it makes the kids feel good if they get a Detention Like they done something to be proud of
Humiliate the Kids for being bad, then next time they will think twice!
SIMPLE!
GrindletonBob
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12:48pm Thu 7 Apr 11
Until they reintroduce discipline back into schools, there's no hope. Thanks to New Labour, it's almost impossible to expel a pupil these days, as this goes against the inclusive education principal. Without any sanctions, it's inevitable that a minority of the pupils will fast become out of control.
It's the equivalent of an employer telling its workforce that you can arrive late, do no work, fight with your colleagues, vandalise the workplace, but nothing will happen to you and you'll still get paid at the end of the month.
Slimplynth
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1:03pm Thu 7 Apr 11
Excluded again
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1:06pm Thu 7 Apr 11
This is a one-off and something is seriously wrong at this particular school. From the statements made, we have a headteacher in denial and a senior governor blaming the problems on the weather.
The governors and management of the school need to have a long hard look at themselves and ask: how has it got to a sitaution where we are the only school in the country where staff are striking for this reason?
Gerrard10
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1:31pm Thu 7 Apr 11
rovers2008
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1:38pm Thu 7 Apr 11
I agree that the unruly kids need sorting and the new head should support her team - but lets put it back into proportion and all get back to work!
As to the location - well! I went to that school twenty years ago and it was on the same hill! Perhaps sticking 1,100 kids in a school built for 800 isnt helping and if you have visited the school lately you will know its a cess pit - you wouldn't want your kids to have to go there whilst the new one is being built!
burner
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2:02pm Thu 7 Apr 11
Gerrard10 wrote:Bring back punctuation. Why? . . . . 'cos, Gerard, this drivel is hard to read. Wuz yoo eddukated their?
to be quite honest it is getting beyond a joke i dont find it fair that the year 11 pupils are missing out on there revision as when we go back after the easter hols we have our exams how do you find this fair i think that mrs torpey should leave and mr lawson should come back i think that we have all dealt with having 3 different head teachers in the past 3 years and the move and stuff but you just need to give us all a chance we are all getting tared with the same brush which i find unfair if you was too ask any pupil from vale they would tell you that there is nothing wrong with the school it is just the same as any other we are getting the education that we need this year we are expected to get the best grades well how do you expect us to do that and darwen vale is going to be labeled with a bad name so we are going to look like the bad guys we are just trying to get used to the new school bring john lawson back
donut1
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2:16pm Thu 7 Apr 11
My son has special needs and has been assaulted and bullied too many times to mention and that was in school in front of teachers!!!!!!!
He finally lost it and hit another pupil who was taunting him in class and was promptly put in isolation. I agree he did wrong and should be punished, but what about his assaults when nothing was done.
Removing year heads and replacing them with Learning Co-ordinators was a pathetic decision.
Moving into an entirely too small school for years and busing the pupils on buses entirely unsupervised was also a ridiculous decision.
donut1
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2:17pm Thu 7 Apr 11
My son has special needs and has been assaulted and bullied too many times to mention and that was in school in front of teachers!!!!!!!
He finally lost it and hit another pupil who was taunting him in class and was promptly put in isolation. I agree he did wrong and should be punished, but what about his assaults when nothing was done.
Removing year heads and replacing them with Learning Co-ordinators was a pathetic decision.
Moving into an entirely too small school for years and busing the pupils on buses entirely unsupervised was also a ridiculous decision.
hannah55
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2:41pm Thu 7 Apr 11
Unfortunately I don't think this is a one-off. I teach in Scotland and this is a big problem here in certain areas too. The difference with these teachers is that they have had enough and decided it's time to let the public see their difficulties. Such a shame that some of the public will see fit to turn it round and blame the teachers!
Surely everyone can see these are the actions of desperate people who have tried everything to NOT get to this stage. I know how helpless and depressed you can get when management throw it all back to you when you have tried all the accepted strategies, refer the problem to them and they say they think you could do more. Time and time again.
When was the last time teachers went on strike? Things have to be very bad for that to happen. We have a responsibility to children and we take that very seriously therefore strike action is the LAST thing teachers will do.
How about putting the blame at the feet of the right people - those who set the discipline procedures?
It's like blaming the police when criminals get a soft sentence.
kate11
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2:47pm Thu 7 Apr 11
I applaud the teachers in their strike and hope they win the day!!
If more teachers took this action then hopefully ineffective headteachers would be replaced!
hannah55
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2:55pm Thu 7 Apr 11
Darwen Mum
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2:56pm Thu 7 Apr 11
imp79
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3:10pm Thu 7 Apr 11
Is bringing the school in to disrepute a sackable offence?
The school have been made national news because of the head and her lack of support.
Is there then not a simple solution: the problem started after the move to holden fold and the appointment of a new head. If you cannont change the site of the school then change the management.
Dai Darwen
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3:33pm Thu 7 Apr 11
teachit wrote:Dai Darwen wrote:
Dai Darwen wrote: Something not just right here as I stated in the last forum. Last weekit was because of unruly pupils according to the LET. This week it is for the lack of backing by management. Could it be the head is cracking the whip and the teachers do not like it or just a clash of personalities. If so called well educated pillars of society cannot get round a table and thrash out a solution then there is little hope for the less well educated. Complete joke.Did you take the time to read the reports properly? The staff want to strike because of the behaviour of the pupils AND the lack of support from the Head when they try to do something about the behaviour. How many hours do you work a week? You obviously have time to study the racing forms- teachers spend alot of their time marking and writing detailed lesson plans.
Something not just right here as I stated in the last forum. Last weekit was because of unruly pupils according to the LET. This week it is for the lack of backing by management. Could it be the head is cracking the whip and the teachers do not like it or just a clash of personalities. If so called well educated pillars of society cannot get round a table and thrash out a solution then there is little hope for the less well educated. Complete joke.
Did you take the time to read the reports properly?
The staff want to strike because of the behaviour of the pupils AND the lack of support from the Head when they try to do something about the behaviour.
How many hours do you work a week?
You obviously have time to study the racing forms- teachers spend alot of their time marking and writing detailed lesson plans.
Unfortunately the qote would not copy. So I will perform a marking exercise just for you.
Paragraph 1 for research and being totally wrong 0/10
Paragraph 2 as you reiterate what I have written for comprehension 0/10 As for thepersonal question of my work ethic I will say that the last time I was off sick was 30 years ago, yes I am very fortunate to have good health. In my working life I now work the least hours of 35.1/2 but have been known to work 7 days doing 12 hour shifts. I have probably worked more hours in my life than you are ever likely to. So again for research and accuracy 0/10. As for your final comment the last time I bet on a horse was some 41 years ago, the reason I know is because I had 12 winners out of 16 and got very little return. I vowed I would not bet on horses again and I am a man of my word. As for the Ryder Cup I would love to watch this spectacle and would dearly love to go to Augusta. Unfortunately I will be at work. So for misrepresentation of my character I give you 10/10. My marking and work planning completed. WOW that was difficult, now for a brew and biccys.
kate11
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3:39pm Thu 7 Apr 11
some heads become power mad! The head where my daughter taught, as I stated above, thinks she is untouchable and the governors are unable to get her out as no teachers complain and most of them leave so need a reference. A little power is dangerous! An unsupporting head can be a misery to the teachers.
Dai Darwen
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3:41pm Thu 7 Apr 11
teachit wrote:teachit.blackburn Just to give you a little more information I am entitled to 26 days holiday per year. If you are or have been a teacher I wonder how that would compare to your entitlement.
Dai Darwen wrote: Something not just right here as I stated in the last forum. Last weekit was because of unruly pupils according to the LET. This week it is for the lack of backing by management. Could it be the head is cracking the whip and the teachers do not like it or just a clash of personalities. If so called well educated pillars of society cannot get round a table and thrash out a solution then there is little hope for the less well educated. Complete joke.Did you take the time to read the reports properly? The staff want to strike because of the behaviour of the pupils AND the lack of support from the Head when they try to do something about the behaviour. How many hours do you work a week? You obviously have time to study the racing forms- teachers spend alot of their time marking and writing detailed lesson plans.
kate11
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4:02pm Thu 7 Apr 11
Do you have a job which demands that you work outside your hours or that you do not get paid overtime or that you have demands placed on you by headteachers during holidays??
If not then I think you are not in a position to comment!
burner
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4:04pm Thu 7 Apr 11
MJT
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5:05pm Thu 7 Apr 11
teachit
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5:14pm Thu 7 Apr 11
mikebuk wrote:If SOME of the children had a proper up-bringing then the MAJORITY of children would have an excellent education. Lessons are well planned and teachers put in 100% effort to implement them!
Teachers who are totally incapable to hold their audience should be fired. Don't blame the kids, boredom is a killer and causes frustration, hence people will play up.
People who don't teach or know a teacher need to realise that we don't just pack up at 3.15pm. We also do alot of unseen hours at school and at home - marking, planning, preparing resources, parent's evenings, open evenings, pupils progress meetings, detentions... the list is endless!
We did not go into the profession for the holidays but to help children get a good education. I was brought up to respect my elders and people who tried to help me- why should that be so hard to do these days?
Diogenes The Cynic
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5:19pm Thu 7 Apr 11
kate11 wrote:Umm.. I worked in a school many years ago - and during the holidays it was locked tight.
Excuse me Dai Darwen but are you suggesting that teachers get a lot of holidays!! I would have thought the same as you until my daughter became a teacher and I have now completely changed that opinion. My daughter works from 8-6pm in school and also approx 4 hours every evening marking and preparing lessons! She has Friday evening off and then works some of the weekend and is paid for 37 hours!! She buys a lot of her materials for the class out of her own money!! She goes in during the holdays to prepare the class displays and planning also and out of the 5 week summer hols she went in to school for about 2 weeks. Half term she spent preparing lessons and changing displays!!
Do you have a job which demands that you work outside your hours or that you do not get paid overtime or that you have demands placed on you by headteachers during holidays??
If not then I think you are not in a position to comment!
Oh, and I, like many people these days do have a job that requires out of hours work and unpaid overtime.
Sadly I don't get 14 weeks paid holiday though!
Teaching is a vocation... please don't patronise us and make out it's the hardest job on the planet!
Dai Darwen
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5:26pm Thu 7 Apr 11
kate11
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5:30pm Thu 7 Apr 11
yes Diogenes The Cynic, you worked there many years ago.. Well it isnt like that now!! My daughter as does every other teacher works till sometimes 10pm at night and weekends preparing marking etc..
I have been a nurse since the 70's and I thought we worked hard but teachers beat us hands down..
kate11
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5:37pm Thu 7 Apr 11
Pray tell us what is your role!
burner
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5:40pm Thu 7 Apr 11
Dai Darwen
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5:49pm Thu 7 Apr 11
Diogenes the Cynic quotes 14 weeks or 70 days holidays, quite a difference.
Kate 11 my role is of no consequence to this site. As for assuming there are no teachers in my household you may or may not be correct.
Dai Darwen
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6:10pm Thu 7 Apr 11
burner wrote:burner.blackburn Sorry but the doughnut !!!!!! is on you. There are people who work through the night, ergo have their free time during the day after doing their work. I will say again please obtain facts before condemning people. Mouth and brain springs to mind.
". I notice though that you quote other people being the teachers and not yourselves. " - Dai, teachers will get to their recreational computers, UNLIKE SUPPOSEDLY HARD-WORKING YOU, after they have done their work much later tonight - doughnut !!! Sorry, did I wake you up?
burner
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6:11pm Thu 7 Apr 11
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"I am coctactable 24 hours per day 7 days per week 52 weeks per year." . .
The rest of your time you spend on your backside sniping at real workers.
Dai Darwen
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6:21pm Thu 7 Apr 11
netty123
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6:23pm Thu 7 Apr 11
hannah55 wrote:the head should be investigated, if more than 3 teachers have complained and she has done nothing to sort it, then under the equality act 2010 she should be done for vicarious liability!!! i also blame the parents, respect starts in the home!!!
Darwen, Unfortunately I don't think this is a one-off. I teach in Scotland and this is a big problem here in certain areas too. The difference with these teachers is that they have had enough and decided it's time to let the public see their difficulties. Such a shame that some of the public will see fit to turn it round and blame the teachers! Surely everyone can see these are the actions of desperate people who have tried everything to NOT get to this stage. I know how helpless and depressed you can get when management throw it all back to you when you have tried all the accepted strategies, refer the problem to them and they say they think you could do more. Time and time again. When was the last time teachers went on strike? Things have to be very bad for that to happen. We have a responsibility to children and we take that very seriously therefore strike action is the LAST thing teachers will do. How about putting the blame at the feet of the right people - those who set the discipline procedures? It's like blaming the police when criminals get a soft sentence.
netty123
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6:39pm Thu 7 Apr 11
MJT wrote:the teachers are totally in their rights to strike!!! good on you all for sticking together, management love to get you in the office on a 1 to 1, and making you believe you are in the wrong!!! collective action is great!!
It must be great to be a nasty teenager these days. Going to school when you want, indulging in anti-social behaviour with your mates, trying to cause nervous breakdowns in well-meaning teachers, and spoiling the learning experience for everyone else, getting involved with illegal activity - knowing all the while that no one can lay a finger on you. Come on, Britain, is this the kind of scum we want to create a heaven for?! If their parents can't be bothered to give them proper moral values, arm society to deal with them, rather than pretending they're made of china. Teachers need a deterrent. Simple as.
ExColl
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7:24pm Thu 7 Apr 11
burner
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7:24pm Thu 7 Apr 11
HILLBILLYBOB
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7:27pm Thu 7 Apr 11
I am not sure if the teachers have less power to enforce discipline on the students or that they are nervous of any repercussions from the students, but its obvious its at boiling point.
When DVHS were still at their old site, I witnessed the senior students going to and from McDonalds on the M65 services at lunchtime, but they were followed by a teacher who would pick up all the students litter and food as they dropped it en-route back to school!!!
That is a world (Or school) gone mad!!!
paulc
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7:43pm Thu 7 Apr 11
mikebuk wrote:"Teachers who are totally incapable to hold their audience should be fired. Don't blame the kids, boredom is a killer and causes frustration, hence people will play up."
Teachers who are totally incapable to hold their audience should be fired. Don't blame the kids, boredom is a killer and causes frustration, hence people will play up.
Spoken like someone from the "I'm a Celebrity", "I must be entertained all the time" generation.
NO wonder education is in such a state.
Schools are not entertainment centres. They are places where people learn.
dotcomedy101
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7:53pm Thu 7 Apr 11
give the trouble making little Sh1ts a crack and this stuff would disappear.repeat offenders should be removed.
Head teacher made a massive mistake by not supporting the staff and the lesson she should learn, would be not to do it again.
as for the teacher "issue" its not amazing that so many of the little Sh1ts cant read or write when they lea ve school the teachers have obviously had their hands tied.
it is also worth noting that the school is also lacking in complying in more fundamental issues like health and safety issues for example been in a windy place.
good on you teachers of DV dont put up with it.
Spanishblue
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9:03pm Thu 7 Apr 11
HILLBILLYBOB
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9:41pm Thu 7 Apr 11
I wish the teachers all the best as this will be a tough nut to crack!!!
tpreece01
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8:14am Fri 8 Apr 11
FAILURED? I take it the reported was educated at Vale then?
roverspal
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1:25pm Fri 8 Apr 11
happycyclist wrote:I have two sons and I expect nothing but perfect behaviour from them and obedience to teachers.. and I don't expect the teachers to return "respect" back to them but to educate them.. and if the case ever arises to even cane them...
They were discussing this on 5-Live radio this morning, from 10.00am.
Simon Huggill, councillor and governor, went on national radio and claimed that because the school is built on a hill, it gets lashed with bad weather and that's what makes the pupils disruptive.
Class.
YES I WOULD ALLOW THE CANE FOR MY OWN SONS IF THEY MISBEHAVE !!
That is why one will soon be a pharmacist and the other will study for his A levels.. I don't respect children I teach them to respect their elders and never to be disruptive in class,as this take away time for their education and time for other pupils education..
Lifeinthemix
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11:17am Wed 13 Apr 11
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her is all the amunition you require to defend you position :
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http://lifeinthemix.
org.uk/ark_academies
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chris283 says...
6:56pm Wed 6 Apr 11