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Labour back in control of Blackburn with Darwen

Lancashire Telegraph: LEADER: Labour’s Coun Kate Hollern LEADER: Labour’s Coun Kate Hollern

LABOUR tonight regained control of Blackburn with Darwen Council after a vote of no confidence in the ruling coalition.

The new council leader is Labour chief Kate Hollern after two members of the For Darwen party withdrew their support for the controlling alliance.

The motion, putting Labour back in power after a three-and-a-half year absence, was carried by 33 votes to 29.

Immediately Coun Hollern pledged to return services to Shadsworth Leisure Centre, but warned she still needed to analyse what facilities would be available.

She said the council would support local groups to help keep open under-threat community centres.

And she said revealed the authority would continue to support Blackburn's new Youth Zone, but that the level of support could be scaled down.

The coalition was made up of the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and For Darwen Party.

Tonight's vote came after councillors Trevor Maxfield and Anthony Meleady resigned from the For Darwen Party and withdrew their support from the coalition last month.

The council is trying to save about £40million in the next four years as it prepares for a reduction in grants given to local government.

Measures including the closure of Shadsworth Leisure Centre and cutting funding for community centres had been proposed.

But speaking after the meeting at Blackburn Town Hall Coun Hollern said: "We gave a guarantee to save Shadsworth Leisure Centre and we will do our best to return services there.

"We are under no illusion that there are some challenging decisions ahead.

"But people will be given more time to put together proposals to run the community centres and we will make sure that we consult fully before any decisions are made."

She said the Youth Zone, a centre based on the Bolton Lads and Girls Club to be built off Jubilee Street, would receive 'a level of support' under the Labour administration.

The council had agreed to provide £400,000 a year.

Coun Mike Lee, the outgoing leader, said: "As a coalition we have achieved a great deal over the last three-and-a-half years including the lowest council tax in Lancashire, a return to weekly refuse collections and investing £4m extra per year in adult social care."

* The Lancashire Telegraph provided live updates from the Blackburn with Darwen Council meeting tonight. Replay the updates below.

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3:26pm Tue 14 Sep 10

time.team says...

“Labour aims to seize control of Blackburn with Darwen”
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Jack Straw and lackey Kate Hollern, Bill Taylor, Graham Burgess - you mean it isn’t painted red already?
“Labour aims to seize control of Blackburn with Darwen” - Jack Straw and lackey Kate Hollern, Bill Taylor, Graham Burgess - you mean it isn’t painted red already? time.team
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3:32pm Tue 14 Sep 10

The offspring says...

So who decides who represents the wards with no councillors?,Dont the electotate get the chance to say who represents them?or is democracy a sham?
So who decides who represents the wards with no councillors?,Dont the electotate get the chance to say who represents them?or is democracy a sham? The offspring
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3:46pm Tue 14 Sep 10

The Dude says...

The offspring wrote:
So who decides who represents the wards with no councillors?,Dont the electotate get the chance to say who represents them?or is democracy a sham?
They are still Councillors, they just don't want to be part of the coalition.
[quote][p][bold]The offspring[/bold] wrote: So who decides who represents the wards with no councillors?,Dont the electotate get the chance to say who represents them?or is democracy a sham?[/p][/quote]They are still Councillors, they just don't want to be part of the coalition. The Dude
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4:10pm Tue 14 Sep 10

burner says...

This is TOTALLY not right !!! Lots of voters did not vote for Independents. They should resign and re-run those wards!!! UNFAIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is TOTALLY not right !!! Lots of voters did not vote for Independents. They should resign and re-run those wards!!! UNFAIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! burner
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4:22pm Tue 14 Sep 10

Noiticer says...

Let's hope this is a foretaste of things to come at national level but, perhaps, not until next year when the scale of the proposed cuts becomes apparent to all those who blindly voted Tory/Lib Dem, especially those workers who voted this way and have lost their jobs.
Let's hope this is a foretaste of things to come at national level but, perhaps, not until next year when the scale of the proposed cuts becomes apparent to all those who blindly voted Tory/Lib Dem, especially those workers who voted this way and have lost their jobs. Noiticer
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4:58pm Tue 14 Sep 10

penninelad says...

burner wrote:
This is TOTALLY not right !!! Lots of voters did not vote for Independents. They should resign and re-run those wards!!! UNFAIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!
I tend to agree with you. But the 'For Darwen' Party did say on their leaflets that they were 'independent' when folk voted for them. However they then allied themselves to the Tories & Lib/Dems to run the Council. The two Councillors concerned have simply left the 'For Darwen' Party and the coalition running the Council. It can be argued that they are now actually doing what they said when originally voted in !!
[quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: This is TOTALLY not right !!! Lots of voters did not vote for Independents. They should resign and re-run those wards!!! UNFAIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]I tend to agree with you. But the 'For Darwen' Party did say on their leaflets that they were 'independent' when folk voted for them. However they then allied themselves to the Tories & Lib/Dems to run the Council. The two Councillors concerned have simply left the 'For Darwen' Party and the coalition running the Council. It can be argued that they are now actually doing what they said when originally voted in !! penninelad
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7:24pm Tue 14 Sep 10

Brian Todd says...

Electors do have a say and choose their councillor.
In the last local election there was no obeall group to run the council so teh Tories made a pact with the Lib Dems (like the national government) but with he added zest of a totally new unknown "party" the "For Darwen Party".
The oarty with the most electoral support, I understand was teh Labour Party but when it came to elected Councillors the hurridly created "Coalition" took control, as one of the parties has now lost two members the coalition no longer had the most Councillors and democracy ruled and placed the Labour Party in control. However we shall all be watching at what tehy do about the promised sever cuts from Westminsterm probably not the best time to take over a council!!!!!!
Electors do have a say and choose their councillor. In the last local election there was no obeall group to run the council so teh Tories made a pact with the Lib Dems (like the national government) but with he added zest of a totally new unknown "party" the "For Darwen Party". The oarty with the most electoral support, I understand was teh Labour Party but when it came to elected Councillors the hurridly created "Coalition" took control, as one of the parties has now lost two members the coalition no longer had the most Councillors and democracy ruled and placed the Labour Party in control. However we shall all be watching at what tehy do about the promised sever cuts from Westminsterm probably not the best time to take over a council!!!!!! Brian Todd
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7:28pm Tue 14 Sep 10

your granny says...

burner wrote:
This is TOTALLY not right !!! Lots of voters did not vote for Independents. They should resign and re-run those wards!!! UNFAIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!
Is this another example of your superior spelling and pronunciation Mrs burner?

What’s with the exclamation marks as well?

thicko.

Good point about independents though..........
[quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: This is TOTALLY not right !!! Lots of voters did not vote for Independents. They should resign and re-run those wards!!! UNFAIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Is this another example of your superior spelling and pronunciation Mrs burner? What’s with the exclamation marks as well? thicko. Good point about independents though.......... your granny
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7:40pm Tue 14 Sep 10

shovelit says...

What a sorry day for Blackburn, Labour back in power. How long before the 5m reserve is gone and we all have to pay big increase in council tax to fund there spend spend spend. With no improvement in services.
What a sorry day for Blackburn, Labour back in power. How long before the 5m reserve is gone and we all have to pay big increase in council tax to fund there spend spend spend. With no improvement in services. shovelit
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7:55pm Tue 14 Sep 10

your granny says...

shovelit wrote:
What a sorry day for Blackburn, Labour back in power. How long before the 5m reserve is gone and we all have to pay big increase in council tax to fund there spend spend spend. With no improvement in services.
a sorry day indeed when that power mad woman is back in control, she stated that she was going to put more council staff on the dole than the con-dems where planning. The town needs these staff to help keep the town alive. Who do you think buys clothes/food in town at lunch times. Who keeps your streets clean and safe.
[quote][p][bold]shovelit[/bold] wrote: What a sorry day for Blackburn, Labour back in power. How long before the 5m reserve is gone and we all have to pay big increase in council tax to fund there spend spend spend. With no improvement in services.[/p][/quote]a sorry day indeed when that power mad woman is back in control, she stated that she was going to put more council staff on the dole than the con-dems where planning. The town needs these staff to help keep the town alive. Who do you think buys clothes/food in town at lunch times. Who keeps your streets clean and safe. your granny
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8:04pm Tue 14 Sep 10

dotcomedy101 says...

your granny wrote:
shovelit wrote: What a sorry day for Blackburn, Labour back in power. How long before the 5m reserve is gone and we all have to pay big increase in council tax to fund there spend spend spend. With no improvement in services.
a sorry day indeed when that power mad woman is back in control, she stated that she was going to put more council staff on the dole than the con-dems where planning. The town needs these staff to help keep the town alive. Who do you think buys clothes/food in town at lunch times. Who keeps your streets clean and safe.
clean and safe? you on about the same dump i live in your having a laugh,where violent crime is now an everyday article in LT and the place is full of litter.
sorry day for sure,more doom and gloom and more fecking tax rises no doubt.
[quote][p][bold]your granny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shovelit[/bold] wrote: What a sorry day for Blackburn, Labour back in power. How long before the 5m reserve is gone and we all have to pay big increase in council tax to fund there spend spend spend. With no improvement in services.[/p][/quote]a sorry day indeed when that power mad woman is back in control, she stated that she was going to put more council staff on the dole than the con-dems where planning. The town needs these staff to help keep the town alive. Who do you think buys clothes/food in town at lunch times. Who keeps your streets clean and safe.[/p][/quote]clean and safe? you on about the same dump i live in your having a laugh,where violent crime is now an everyday article in LT and the place is full of litter. sorry day for sure,more doom and gloom and more fecking tax rises no doubt. dotcomedy101
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8:42pm Tue 14 Sep 10

time.team says...

Doooooooomed again!
Jack Straw and his lackey rule.
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Will be interesting?
Doooooooomed again! Jack Straw and his lackey rule. - Will be interesting? time.team
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8:54pm Tue 14 Sep 10

Excluded again says...

It was obvious this was going to come once the cuts started to bite.

The Tory-Lib Dem-For Darwen coalition came together 3 years ago united around nothing more than their dislike of Labour. They funded a pet project or two from each other's manifestos but there was little else they could agree on or tried to.

Pulled this way and that by officers with agendas for their own departments (understandable really) they frittered away the best ever grant of money from Central Government two years ago.

With nothing much in common, when the need to cut came they had no core principles to unite them so they fell apart.

The national Coalition government put together a coaltion agreement setting out a programme they both accepted before they took power. It will be interesting to see if this helps them to stay together better than happened at local level.
It was obvious this was going to come once the cuts started to bite. The Tory-Lib Dem-For Darwen coalition came together 3 years ago united around nothing more than their dislike of Labour. They funded a pet project or two from each other's manifestos but there was little else they could agree on or tried to. Pulled this way and that by officers with agendas for their own departments (understandable really) they frittered away the best ever grant of money from Central Government two years ago. With nothing much in common, when the need to cut came they had no core principles to unite them so they fell apart. The national Coalition government put together a coaltion agreement setting out a programme they both accepted before they took power. It will be interesting to see if this helps them to stay together better than happened at local level. Excluded again
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8:58pm Tue 14 Sep 10

retired one says...

Well I hope she stops chewing gum at meetings.
Well I hope she stops chewing gum at meetings. retired one
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9:07pm Tue 14 Sep 10

blackburner says...

Thank god the con-dems have gone, its been a shambolic disgrace,
This council is on the verge of imploding,
It stuns me that these elected
con-dem members have twisted every rule in the political book, behind closed doors meeting, you scratch my back & i'll scratch yours, you vote this i'll vote that.
All just to keep labour out,
whether you support labour or not this is a labour town, it always has been.
Blackburn with Darwen Council needs calm heads in very difficult times & what happens.....
Cllr Rigby loses his cool & grips a member of the public round the throat!
well done, well bloody done
good riddence.
who voted these people in, sorry out,
err in, out .... i'm confused.
No one voted them in
Thank god the con-dems have gone, its been a shambolic disgrace, This council is on the verge of imploding, It stuns me that these elected con-dem members have twisted every rule in the political book, behind closed doors meeting, you scratch my back & i'll scratch yours, you vote this i'll vote that. All just to keep labour out, whether you support labour or not this is a labour town, it always has been. Blackburn with Darwen Council needs calm heads in very difficult times & what happens..... Cllr Rigby loses his cool & grips a member of the public round the throat! well done, well bloody done good riddence. who voted these people in, sorry out, err in, out .... i'm confused. No one voted them in blackburner
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9:43pm Tue 14 Sep 10

pez63 says...

Great now sack the Mayoress without delay.ChopChop!
Great now sack the Mayoress without delay.ChopChop! pez63
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10:21pm Tue 14 Sep 10

audleylad52 says...

Great news for Blackburn WITH Darwen, not Blackburn FOR Darwen, a case of the tail wagging the dog, For Darwen party using their balance of power to cream off spending for Darwen, and Blackburn services, like Shadsworth Centre, suffering. Good riddance. For Darwen should stick to their own elected 'council' and stay clear of Blackburn politics.
Great news for Blackburn WITH Darwen, not Blackburn FOR Darwen, a case of the tail wagging the dog, For Darwen party using their balance of power to cream off spending for Darwen, and Blackburn services, like Shadsworth Centre, suffering. Good riddance. For Darwen should stick to their own elected 'council' and stay clear of Blackburn politics. audleylad52
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10:38pm Tue 14 Sep 10

John Willaims says...

Its a good thing the asian councillor stooped Colin Rigby from Planting the protester one good left hook, lets hope Labour have leart their lessons after 3 years out, get it right Kate and make Blackburn a better place to live
Its a good thing the asian councillor stooped Colin Rigby from Planting the protester one good left hook, lets hope Labour have leart their lessons after 3 years out, get it right Kate and make Blackburn a better place to live John Willaims
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11:05pm Tue 14 Sep 10

happycyclist says...

When the electorate cast their votes, they did so with the result that Labour no longer held power on the council.

Without any of the electorate casting any further votes, Labour now DO hold power.

Please can someone explain how that is democracy.
When the electorate cast their votes, they did so with the result that Labour no longer held power on the council. Without any of the electorate casting any further votes, Labour now DO hold power. Please can someone explain how that is democracy. happycyclist
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11:14pm Tue 14 Sep 10

Scooby says...

happycyclist wrote:
When the electorate cast their votes, they did so with the result that Labour no longer held power on the council.

Without any of the electorate casting any further votes, Labour now DO hold power.

Please can someone explain how that is democracy.
The result was that Labour had more votes than any other candidate. Coalition or not, surely they deserve to be in control when more people in the town want that than any other political group.
[quote][p][bold]happycyclist[/bold] wrote: When the electorate cast their votes, they did so with the result that Labour no longer held power on the council. Without any of the electorate casting any further votes, Labour now DO hold power. Please can someone explain how that is democracy.[/p][/quote]The result was that Labour had more votes than any other candidate. Coalition or not, surely they deserve to be in control when more people in the town want that than any other political group. Scooby
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11:19pm Tue 14 Sep 10

John Willaims says...

Labour had more votes than anybody else, so why should they notbe in control? most people want Labour to take control, Blackburn is and will always be a Labour town get used to it. why was it that Fib Dems always had Asian Councillors only in Blackburn?
Labour had more votes than anybody else, so why should they notbe in control? most people want Labour to take control, Blackburn is and will always be a Labour town get used to it. why was it that Fib Dems always had Asian Councillors only in Blackburn? John Willaims
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11:38pm Tue 14 Sep 10

happycyclist says...

Scooby wrote:
happycyclist wrote:
When the electorate cast their votes, they did so with the result that Labour no longer held power on the council.

Without any of the electorate casting any further votes, Labour now DO hold power.

Please can someone explain how that is democracy.
The result was that Labour had more votes than any other candidate. Coalition or not, surely they deserve to be in control when more people in the town want that than any other political group.
Labour might have had more votes, but they didn't have a majority.
Now they do have a majority but nobody has cast a vote since the elections.
THAT'S the bit I don't understand.

Would you be so defensive if people had jumped ship to the BNP after you had voted them in as Labour candidates?
[quote][p][bold]Scooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happycyclist[/bold] wrote: When the electorate cast their votes, they did so with the result that Labour no longer held power on the council. Without any of the electorate casting any further votes, Labour now DO hold power. Please can someone explain how that is democracy.[/p][/quote]The result was that Labour had more votes than any other candidate. Coalition or not, surely they deserve to be in control when more people in the town want that than any other political group.[/p][/quote]Labour might have had more votes, but they didn't have a majority. Now they do have a majority but nobody has cast a vote since the elections. THAT'S the bit I don't understand. Would you be so defensive if people had jumped ship to the BNP after you had voted them in as Labour candidates? happycyclist
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6:34am Wed 15 Sep 10

Excluded again says...

Happycyclist, nobody had a majority. That is why there was a coalition.

Not enough people voted Conservative, Labour, Liberal or For Darwen for any party to take overall control so a deal had to be done.

Before last night there was a Tory-Liberal- For Darwen coalition running the Council. Now there is a Labour-independent coalition.
Happycyclist, nobody had a majority. That is why there was a coalition. Not enough people voted Conservative, Labour, Liberal or For Darwen for any party to take overall control so a deal had to be done. Before last night there was a Tory-Liberal- For Darwen coalition running the Council. Now there is a Labour-independent coalition. Excluded again
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8:50am Wed 15 Sep 10

UniteAsOne says...

Kate says that Labour would maintain a level of support for the new Youth Zone on Jubilee Street............. in other words they are going to get a pittance and like everything else, money will be pumped into the Labour 'strongholds' at the expense of everyone else.
When will you ever learn Kate - we live in an inclusive society and children should not be drawn into your lowlife,backscratchi
ng party political tit for tat games.
Invest in the youth of today - give them something to look forward to, could be a great epitaph for you
Kate says that Labour would maintain a level of support for the new Youth Zone on Jubilee Street............. in other words they are going to get a pittance and like everything else, money will be pumped into the Labour 'strongholds' at the expense of everyone else. When will you ever learn Kate - we live in an inclusive society and children should not be drawn into your lowlife,backscratchi ng party political tit for tat games. Invest in the youth of today - give them something to look forward to, could be a great epitaph for you UniteAsOne
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8:51am Wed 15 Sep 10

happycyclist says...

Excluded again wrote:
Happycyclist, nobody had a majority. That is why there was a coalition.

Not enough people voted Conservative, Labour, Liberal or For Darwen for any party to take overall control so a deal had to be done.

Before last night there was a Tory-Liberal- For Darwen coalition running the Council. Now there is a Labour-independent coalition.
Thanks, Excludedagain.

But it still doesn't explain why the electorate have now got something they/we didn't vote for.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: Happycyclist, nobody had a majority. That is why there was a coalition. Not enough people voted Conservative, Labour, Liberal or For Darwen for any party to take overall control so a deal had to be done. Before last night there was a Tory-Liberal- For Darwen coalition running the Council. Now there is a Labour-independent coalition.[/p][/quote]Thanks, Excludedagain. But it still doesn't explain why the electorate have now got something they/we didn't vote for. happycyclist
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9:06am Wed 15 Sep 10

ricksh says...

happycyclist wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
Happycyclist, nobody had a majority. That is why there was a coalition.

Not enough people voted Conservative, Labour, Liberal or For Darwen for any party to take overall control so a deal had to be done.

Before last night there was a Tory-Liberal- For Darwen coalition running the Council. Now there is a Labour-independent coalition.
Thanks, Excludedagain.

But it still doesn't explain why the electorate have now got something they/we didn't vote for.
get used to it happycyclist we have got it till the local elections in may. if you dont like it then you know what you can do when it comes to choosing a new council
[quote][p][bold]happycyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: Happycyclist, nobody had a majority. That is why there was a coalition. Not enough people voted Conservative, Labour, Liberal or For Darwen for any party to take overall control so a deal had to be done. Before last night there was a Tory-Liberal- For Darwen coalition running the Council. Now there is a Labour-independent coalition.[/p][/quote]Thanks, Excludedagain. But it still doesn't explain why the electorate have now got something they/we didn't vote for.[/p][/quote]get used to it happycyclist we have got it till the local elections in may. if you dont like it then you know what you can do when it comes to choosing a new council ricksh
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9:13am Wed 15 Sep 10

Excluded again says...

happycyclist wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
Happycyclist, nobody had a majority. That is why there was a coalition.

Not enough people voted Conservative, Labour, Liberal or For Darwen for any party to take overall control so a deal had to be done.

Before last night there was a Tory-Liberal- For Darwen coalition running the Council. Now there is a Labour-independent coalition.
Thanks, Excludedagain.

But it still doesn't explain why the electorate have now got something they/we didn't vote for.
We had something we didn't vote for before. The Liberals, Tories and For Darwen stood as seperate parties and stood against each other. No-one voted for a coalition candidate.

Some voters may have assumed that the Tories, Liberals and For Darwen would stay in coalition after the election but they never said they would.
[quote][p][bold]happycyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: Happycyclist, nobody had a majority. That is why there was a coalition. Not enough people voted Conservative, Labour, Liberal or For Darwen for any party to take overall control so a deal had to be done. Before last night there was a Tory-Liberal- For Darwen coalition running the Council. Now there is a Labour-independent coalition.[/p][/quote]Thanks, Excludedagain. But it still doesn't explain why the electorate have now got something they/we didn't vote for.[/p][/quote]We had something we didn't vote for before. The Liberals, Tories and For Darwen stood as seperate parties and stood against each other. No-one voted for a coalition candidate. Some voters may have assumed that the Tories, Liberals and For Darwen would stay in coalition after the election but they never said they would. Excluded again
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9:26am Wed 15 Sep 10

Hugh Jardon says...

But speaking after the meeting at Blackburn Town Hall Coun Hollern said: "We gave a guarantee to save Shadsworth Leisure Centre and we will do our best to return services there..."

which means absolutely sod all!!!
But speaking after the meeting at Blackburn Town Hall Coun Hollern said: "We gave a guarantee to save Shadsworth Leisure Centre and we will do our best to return services there..." which means absolutely sod all!!! Hugh Jardon
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9:28am Wed 15 Sep 10

MerlinTheVoiceofReason says...

Quite apart from the politics of the situation, doubt must be cast over the accuracy of the LT's reporting. BBC Radio Lancashire this morning report that a "toilet brush" not a shoe was thrown at Cllr Rigby and Mike Lee was quoted as saying Rigby showed remarkable restraint against a member of the public with a track record of causing trouble at Council meetings. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the fluoride-afflicted one. Lastly, now that the Scottish Communist is back in the throne of power, Darweners should be very worried indeed. Since she's promising the earth to everyone in Blackburn, and had to had Darwen in as an afterthought when she was rambling on about "the Borough", I conclude that the money she will "find" for Blackburn will come from budget culls that will adversely affect Darwen.
Quite apart from the politics of the situation, doubt must be cast over the accuracy of the LT's reporting. BBC Radio Lancashire this morning report that a "toilet brush" not a shoe was thrown at Cllr Rigby and Mike Lee was quoted as saying Rigby showed remarkable restraint against a member of the public with a track record of causing trouble at Council meetings. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the fluoride-afflicted one. Lastly, now that the Scottish Communist is back in the throne of power, Darweners should be very worried indeed. Since she's promising the earth to everyone in Blackburn, and had to had Darwen in as an afterthought when she was rambling on about "the Borough", I conclude that the money she will "find" for Blackburn will come from budget culls that will adversely affect Darwen. MerlinTheVoiceofReason
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9:29am Wed 15 Sep 10

MerlinTheVoiceofReason says...

MerlinTheVoiceofReas
on
wrote:
Quite apart from the politics of the situation, doubt must be cast over the accuracy of the LT's reporting. BBC Radio Lancashire this morning report that a "toilet brush" not a shoe was thrown at Cllr Rigby and Mike Lee was quoted as saying Rigby showed remarkable restraint against a member of the public with a track record of causing trouble at Council meetings. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the fluoride-afflicted one. Lastly, now that the Scottish Communist is back in the throne of power, Darweners should be very worried indeed. Since she's promising the earth to everyone in Blackburn, and had to had Darwen in as an afterthought when she was rambling on about "the Borough", I conclude that the money she will "find" for Blackburn will come from budget culls that will adversely affect Darwen.
... correction: "had to add Darwen in as an afterthought" ! Dohhhhhhhhh.
[quote][p][bold]MerlinTheVoiceofReas on[/bold] wrote: Quite apart from the politics of the situation, doubt must be cast over the accuracy of the LT's reporting. BBC Radio Lancashire this morning report that a "toilet brush" not a shoe was thrown at Cllr Rigby and Mike Lee was quoted as saying Rigby showed remarkable restraint against a member of the public with a track record of causing trouble at Council meetings. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the fluoride-afflicted one. Lastly, now that the Scottish Communist is back in the throne of power, Darweners should be very worried indeed. Since she's promising the earth to everyone in Blackburn, and had to had Darwen in as an afterthought when she was rambling on about "the Borough", I conclude that the money she will "find" for Blackburn will come from budget culls that will adversely affect Darwen.[/p][/quote]... correction: "had to add Darwen in as an afterthought" ! Dohhhhhhhhh. MerlinTheVoiceofReason
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10:14am Wed 15 Sep 10

Private I says...

For the record the protester was gesticulating with the toilet brush and Cllr Rigby responded by shouting abuse at him. The protester then threw the brush and his shoe in Rigby's general direction at which point the Councillor ran at him and grabbed him by the throat.
Given that the Plods are now investigating the incident if I was Rigby I would be very frightened. You can't start assaulting people just because they are protesting no matter who you are.
The protester was handled badly earlier in the meeting by Graham Burgess the Chief Executive, who when given a note asking for the guy to speak, just ignored it instead of getting the Deputy Mayor to explain why he wouldn't be allowed to address the Councillors.
No wonder the guy got frustrated.
For the record the protester was gesticulating with the toilet brush and Cllr Rigby responded by shouting abuse at him. The protester then threw the brush and his shoe in Rigby's general direction at which point the Councillor ran at him and grabbed him by the throat. Given that the Plods are now investigating the incident if I was Rigby I would be very frightened. You can't start assaulting people just because they are protesting no matter who you are. The protester was handled badly earlier in the meeting by Graham Burgess the Chief Executive, who when given a note asking for the guy to speak, just ignored it instead of getting the Deputy Mayor to explain why he wouldn't be allowed to address the Councillors. No wonder the guy got frustrated. Private I
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10:44am Wed 15 Sep 10

happycyclist says...

Private I wrote:
For the record the protester was gesticulating with the toilet brush and Cllr Rigby responded by shouting abuse at him. The protester then threw the brush and his shoe in Rigby's general direction at which point the Councillor ran at him and grabbed him by the throat.
Given that the Plods are now investigating the incident if I was Rigby I would be very frightened. You can't start assaulting people just because they are protesting no matter who you are.
The protester was handled badly earlier in the meeting by Graham Burgess the Chief Executive, who when given a note asking for the guy to speak, just ignored it instead of getting the Deputy Mayor to explain why he wouldn't be allowed to address the Councillors.
No wonder the guy got frustrated.
Lancashire Telegraph: Get 'Private I' on your payroll. THIS is the sort of reporting we want!
[quote][p][bold]Private I[/bold] wrote: For the record the protester was gesticulating with the toilet brush and Cllr Rigby responded by shouting abuse at him. The protester then threw the brush and his shoe in Rigby's general direction at which point the Councillor ran at him and grabbed him by the throat. Given that the Plods are now investigating the incident if I was Rigby I would be very frightened. You can't start assaulting people just because they are protesting no matter who you are. The protester was handled badly earlier in the meeting by Graham Burgess the Chief Executive, who when given a note asking for the guy to speak, just ignored it instead of getting the Deputy Mayor to explain why he wouldn't be allowed to address the Councillors. No wonder the guy got frustrated.[/p][/quote]Lancashire Telegraph: Get 'Private I' on your payroll. THIS is the sort of reporting we want! happycyclist
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11:44am Wed 15 Sep 10

notchuffed says...

Noiticer wrote:
Let's hope this is a foretaste of things to come at national level but, perhaps, not until next year when the scale of the proposed cuts becomes apparent to all those who blindly voted Tory/Lib Dem, especially those workers who voted this way and have lost their jobs.
"Bindly Voted" which earth are you on mate, this one or Fullers?

I think either

I)You must have your head in the sand or blinkered as to what has happened to this once great country of ours during the years of Labour misrule.
or
ii) Worried about losing your long term benefit payments.

Just check on those areas which have a long history of Labour Councils and you will find that they are the most poor achieving areas as far as Investment - TRUE Job creation - Housing - Free Enterprise. BUT high on the list of "Jobs for the boys" Expense claims and much worse.

Get out and about, look around you and look at the filthy, pot-holed, boarded up streets. See how they are populated with pushers,user, hoodies, criminals who should be in jail totally un-policed because of lack of front-line officers. YES George Orwell's Big Brother came many steps towards fruition under "Mr. Bliar" - Paid by the state - controlled by the state a true Socialist Utopia which in it's purest form, is Communism.

So you must be a converted "Red" and I don't mean Man. Utd - see you in a Gulag!!
[quote][p][bold]Noiticer[/bold] wrote: Let's hope this is a foretaste of things to come at national level but, perhaps, not until next year when the scale of the proposed cuts becomes apparent to all those who blindly voted Tory/Lib Dem, especially those workers who voted this way and have lost their jobs.[/p][/quote]"Bindly Voted" which earth are you on mate, this one or Fullers? I think either I)You must have your head in the sand or blinkered as to what has happened to this once great country of ours during the years of Labour misrule. or ii) Worried about losing your long term benefit payments. Just check on those areas which have a long history of Labour Councils and you will find that they are the most poor achieving areas as far as Investment - TRUE Job creation - Housing - Free Enterprise. BUT high on the list of "Jobs for the boys" Expense claims and much worse. Get out and about, look around you and look at the filthy, pot-holed, boarded up streets. See how they are populated with pushers,user, hoodies, criminals who should be in jail totally un-policed because of lack of front-line officers. YES George Orwell's Big Brother came many steps towards fruition under "Mr. Bliar" - Paid by the state - controlled by the state a true Socialist Utopia which in it's purest form, is Communism. So you must be a converted "Red" and I don't mean Man. Utd - see you in a Gulag!! notchuffed
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12:32pm Wed 15 Sep 10

Jerzei Balowski says...

notchuffed wrote:
Noiticer wrote: Let's hope this is a foretaste of things to come at national level but, perhaps, not until next year when the scale of the proposed cuts becomes apparent to all those who blindly voted Tory/Lib Dem, especially those workers who voted this way and have lost their jobs.
"Bindly Voted" which earth are you on mate, this one or Fullers? I think either I)You must have your head in the sand or blinkered as to what has happened to this once great country of ours during the years of Labour misrule. or ii) Worried about losing your long term benefit payments. Just check on those areas which have a long history of Labour Councils and you will find that they are the most poor achieving areas as far as Investment - TRUE Job creation - Housing - Free Enterprise. BUT high on the list of "Jobs for the boys" Expense claims and much worse. Get out and about, look around you and look at the filthy, pot-holed, boarded up streets. See how they are populated with pushers,user, hoodies, criminals who should be in jail totally un-policed because of lack of front-line officers. YES George Orwell's Big Brother came many steps towards fruition under "Mr. Bliar" - Paid by the state - controlled by the state a true Socialist Utopia which in it's purest form, is Communism. So you must be a converted "Red" and I don't mean Man. Utd - see you in a Gulag!!
Spot on. Get ready for higher council tax as part of the Reds' favourite policy of "Redistribution" - another word for theft.

About time we only allowed those who pay tax to have a vote in this country.
[quote][p][bold]notchuffed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noiticer[/bold] wrote: Let's hope this is a foretaste of things to come at national level but, perhaps, not until next year when the scale of the proposed cuts becomes apparent to all those who blindly voted Tory/Lib Dem, especially those workers who voted this way and have lost their jobs.[/p][/quote]"Bindly Voted" which earth are you on mate, this one or Fullers? I think either I)You must have your head in the sand or blinkered as to what has happened to this once great country of ours during the years of Labour misrule. or ii) Worried about losing your long term benefit payments. Just check on those areas which have a long history of Labour Councils and you will find that they are the most poor achieving areas as far as Investment - TRUE Job creation - Housing - Free Enterprise. BUT high on the list of "Jobs for the boys" Expense claims and much worse. Get out and about, look around you and look at the filthy, pot-holed, boarded up streets. See how they are populated with pushers,user, hoodies, criminals who should be in jail totally un-policed because of lack of front-line officers. YES George Orwell's Big Brother came many steps towards fruition under "Mr. Bliar" - Paid by the state - controlled by the state a true Socialist Utopia which in it's purest form, is Communism. So you must be a converted "Red" and I don't mean Man. Utd - see you in a Gulag!![/p][/quote]Spot on. Get ready for higher council tax as part of the Reds' favourite policy of "Redistribution" - another word for theft. About time we only allowed those who pay tax to have a vote in this country. Jerzei Balowski
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1:15pm Wed 15 Sep 10

MerlinTheVoiceofReason says...

Jerzei Balowski wrote:
notchuffed wrote:
Noiticer wrote: Let's hope this is a foretaste of things to come at national level but, perhaps, not until next year when the scale of the proposed cuts becomes apparent to all those who blindly voted Tory/Lib Dem, especially those workers who voted this way and have lost their jobs.
"Bindly Voted" which earth are you on mate, this one or Fullers? I think either I)You must have your head in the sand or blinkered as to what has happened to this once great country of ours during the years of Labour misrule. or ii) Worried about losing your long term benefit payments. Just check on those areas which have a long history of Labour Councils and you will find that they are the most poor achieving areas as far as Investment - TRUE Job creation - Housing - Free Enterprise. BUT high on the list of "Jobs for the boys" Expense claims and much worse. Get out and about, look around you and look at the filthy, pot-holed, boarded up streets. See how they are populated with pushers,user, hoodies, criminals who should be in jail totally un-policed because of lack of front-line officers. YES George Orwell's Big Brother came many steps towards fruition under "Mr. Bliar" - Paid by the state - controlled by the state a true Socialist Utopia which in it's purest form, is Communism. So you must be a converted "Red" and I don't mean Man. Utd - see you in a Gulag!!
Spot on. Get ready for higher council tax as part of the Reds' favourite policy of "Redistribution" - another word for theft.

About time we only allowed those who pay tax to have a vote in this country.
The Tories have capped Council Tax increases, in fact I think CT has been frozen for the next few years.
[quote][p][bold]Jerzei Balowski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notchuffed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noiticer[/bold] wrote: Let's hope this is a foretaste of things to come at national level but, perhaps, not until next year when the scale of the proposed cuts becomes apparent to all those who blindly voted Tory/Lib Dem, especially those workers who voted this way and have lost their jobs.[/p][/quote]"Bindly Voted" which earth are you on mate, this one or Fullers? I think either I)You must have your head in the sand or blinkered as to what has happened to this once great country of ours during the years of Labour misrule. or ii) Worried about losing your long term benefit payments. Just check on those areas which have a long history of Labour Councils and you will find that they are the most poor achieving areas as far as Investment - TRUE Job creation - Housing - Free Enterprise. BUT high on the list of "Jobs for the boys" Expense claims and much worse. Get out and about, look around you and look at the filthy, pot-holed, boarded up streets. See how they are populated with pushers,user, hoodies, criminals who should be in jail totally un-policed because of lack of front-line officers. YES George Orwell's Big Brother came many steps towards fruition under "Mr. Bliar" - Paid by the state - controlled by the state a true Socialist Utopia which in it's purest form, is Communism. So you must be a converted "Red" and I don't mean Man. Utd - see you in a Gulag!![/p][/quote]Spot on. Get ready for higher council tax as part of the Reds' favourite policy of "Redistribution" - another word for theft. About time we only allowed those who pay tax to have a vote in this country.[/p][/quote]The Tories have capped Council Tax increases, in fact I think CT has been frozen for the next few years. MerlinTheVoiceofReason
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1:35pm Wed 15 Sep 10

chloesdad says...

As quoted earlier, Darwen is doomed now Hollern has her grubby mitts on control. This is the same woman who was Labour leader when the pathetic new road way system was introduced, the same woman who forced residents out of their property to make way for the academy, and the same woman who introduced fortnightly bin collections......God help em!
As quoted earlier, Darwen is doomed now Hollern has her grubby mitts on control. This is the same woman who was Labour leader when the pathetic new road way system was introduced, the same woman who forced residents out of their property to make way for the academy, and the same woman who introduced fortnightly bin collections......God help em! chloesdad
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2:01pm Wed 15 Sep 10

makaveli96 says...

Yes! Will Shad baths be open this weekend?
Yes! Will Shad baths be open this weekend? makaveli96
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2:29pm Wed 15 Sep 10

your granny says...

MerlinTheVoiceofReas
on
wrote:
Quite apart from the politics of the situation, doubt must be cast over the accuracy of the LT's reporting. BBC Radio Lancashire this morning report that a "toilet brush" not a shoe was thrown at Cllr Rigby and Mike Lee was quoted as saying Rigby showed remarkable restraint against a member of the public with a track record of causing trouble at Council meetings. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the fluoride-afflicted one. Lastly, now that the Scottish Communist is back in the throne of power, Darweners should be very worried indeed. Since she's promising the earth to everyone in Blackburn, and had to had Darwen in as an afterthought when she was rambling on about "the Borough", I conclude that the money she will "find" for Blackburn will come from budget culls that will adversely affect Darwen.
she's no Communist, it's this silly tart that started the privatisation of council services, and i'm sure she will do nothing about the privatisation of social services, against union advice. The woman is a despot. One of my worries is about the bins being changed around again, because although it works at the moment, she won't like that it was not her idea.
[quote][p][bold]MerlinTheVoiceofReas on[/bold] wrote: Quite apart from the politics of the situation, doubt must be cast over the accuracy of the LT's reporting. BBC Radio Lancashire this morning report that a "toilet brush" not a shoe was thrown at Cllr Rigby and Mike Lee was quoted as saying Rigby showed remarkable restraint against a member of the public with a track record of causing trouble at Council meetings. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the fluoride-afflicted one. Lastly, now that the Scottish Communist is back in the throne of power, Darweners should be very worried indeed. Since she's promising the earth to everyone in Blackburn, and had to had Darwen in as an afterthought when she was rambling on about "the Borough", I conclude that the money she will "find" for Blackburn will come from budget culls that will adversely affect Darwen.[/p][/quote]she's no Communist, it's this silly tart that started the privatisation of council services, and i'm sure she will do nothing about the privatisation of social services, against union advice. The woman is a despot. One of my worries is about the bins being changed around again, because although it works at the moment, she won't like that it was not her idea. your granny
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3:05pm Wed 15 Sep 10

Dreams Yarn On says...

so many fools out there blaming the coalition for the cuts when the cuts will already have been reviewed and ready to implement under labour. Labour have only used all you campainers for the leisure and community centres to overcome an already shakey three way coalition. You have kate holleran helping with your fight for labours own means. you just have to look at her first statement after getting in that says it all. things like services at the leisure center will still have to be analysed on what services will be available and that they will help provide support (not funds) for the community centres to remain open (this is exactly what the coalition proposed). So what have you gained. Not very much from the looks lol
so many fools out there blaming the coalition for the cuts when the cuts will already have been reviewed and ready to implement under labour. Labour have only used all you campainers for the leisure and community centres to overcome an already shakey three way coalition. You have kate holleran helping with your fight for labours own means. you just have to look at her first statement after getting in that says it all. things like services at the leisure center will still have to be analysed on what services will be available and that they will help provide support (not funds) for the community centres to remain open (this is exactly what the coalition proposed). So what have you gained. Not very much from the looks lol Dreams Yarn On
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3:05pm Wed 15 Sep 10

Dreams Yarn On says...

so many fools out there blaming the coalition for the cuts when the cuts will already have been reviewed and ready to implement under labour. Labour have only used all you campainers for the leisure and community centres to overcome an already shakey three way coalition. You have kate holleran helping with your fight for labours own means. you just have to look at her first statement after getting in that says it all. things like services at the leisure center will still have to be analysed on what services will be available and that they will help provide support (not funds) for the community centres to remain open (this is exactly what the coalition proposed). So what have you gained. Not very much from the looks lol
so many fools out there blaming the coalition for the cuts when the cuts will already have been reviewed and ready to implement under labour. Labour have only used all you campainers for the leisure and community centres to overcome an already shakey three way coalition. You have kate holleran helping with your fight for labours own means. you just have to look at her first statement after getting in that says it all. things like services at the leisure center will still have to be analysed on what services will be available and that they will help provide support (not funds) for the community centres to remain open (this is exactly what the coalition proposed). So what have you gained. Not very much from the looks lol Dreams Yarn On
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3:08pm Wed 15 Sep 10

John Willaims says...

Give her a chance, shes only taken control last night, You lot are all gloom and doom merchants. what did the coalition do for us? Bugger all thats what. If Bins collections costs us to much money for weekly collection then lets change it to fortnightly whats wrong with that? Everyone has to recycle
Give her a chance, shes only taken control last night, You lot are all gloom and doom merchants. what did the coalition do for us? Bugger all thats what. If Bins collections costs us to much money for weekly collection then lets change it to fortnightly whats wrong with that? Everyone has to recycle John Willaims
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3:51pm Wed 15 Sep 10

whereistedward says...

chloesdad wrote:
As quoted earlier, Darwen is doomed now Hollern has her grubby mitts on control. This is the same woman who was Labour leader when the pathetic new road way system was introduced, the same woman who forced residents out of their property to make way for the academy, and the same woman who introduced fortnightly bin collections......God help em!
Don't be daft chloesdad ! The Academy was absolutely nothing to do with 'forcing' folk to be moved out of their homes. (in fact 95% of folk were not 'forced' at all) The homes were demolished because of their condition and the condition of the area in general. (this was confirmed in the independent inspectors report).
And get your facts right...there was ALWAYS a WEEKLY collection of rubbish. (it used to be one week for recycling the next for non-recyled rubbish).
[quote][p][bold]chloesdad[/bold] wrote: As quoted earlier, Darwen is doomed now Hollern has her grubby mitts on control. This is the same woman who was Labour leader when the pathetic new road way system was introduced, the same woman who forced residents out of their property to make way for the academy, and the same woman who introduced fortnightly bin collections......God help em![/p][/quote]Don't be daft chloesdad ! The Academy was absolutely nothing to do with 'forcing' folk to be moved out of their homes. (in fact 95% of folk were not 'forced' at all) The homes were demolished because of their condition and the condition of the area in general. (this was confirmed in the independent inspectors report). And get your facts right...there was ALWAYS a WEEKLY collection of rubbish. (it used to be one week for recycling the next for non-recyled rubbish). whereistedward
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4:53pm Wed 15 Sep 10

midas says...

Hugh Jardon wrote:
But speaking after the meeting at Blackburn Town Hall Coun Hollern said: "We gave a guarantee to save Shadsworth Leisure Centre and we will do our best to return services there..." which means absolutely sod all!!!
Either the reporter or Coun Hollern have missed a few words out. The sentance should read..... "We gave a guarantee, before the elections, to save Shadsworth Leisure Centre and now we are in control, we will do our best to return services there!!

and if there best isn't good enough? or will she tell us what services are to be cut to find the money?
[quote][p][bold]Hugh Jardon[/bold] wrote: But speaking after the meeting at Blackburn Town Hall Coun Hollern said: "We gave a guarantee to save Shadsworth Leisure Centre and we will do our best to return services there..." which means absolutely sod all!!![/p][/quote]Either the reporter or Coun Hollern have missed a few words out. The sentance should read..... "We gave a guarantee, before the elections, to save Shadsworth Leisure Centre and now we are in control, we will do our best to return services there!! and if there best isn't good enough? or will she tell us what services are to be cut to find the money? midas
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5:43pm Wed 15 Sep 10

milano says...

It is I suppose inevitable that cuts have to be made, however with regards community / leisure centres and childrens activities i agree with the ethos of community people taking charge. The only problem with this where do the council think commniy groups are going to find the money to do this? Most grants available to community groups are project based and very few offer day to day running costs. In order to obtain grants you have to show value for money and sustainability, number of beneficaries, lmmediate and long term benefits. Most also are not full cost and require match funding.
I know from experience applying from such grants and I also know from experience that many volunteers are much better at running these services than council workers but they will struggle finding funding for centres that are already running at a loss. I wish every community / voluntary groups the best of luck but funding is going to get a lot harder to get due to a lot of existing grant funds coming to an end and an increase in applications to ongoing and new grant funds. The goverment ethos of communities taking control sounds excellent on paper but they have to ensure that there is funding available both nationally, regional and local to enable them to do it.
It is I suppose inevitable that cuts have to be made, however with regards community / leisure centres and childrens activities i agree with the ethos of community people taking charge. The only problem with this where do the council think commniy groups are going to find the money to do this? Most grants available to community groups are project based and very few offer day to day running costs. In order to obtain grants you have to show value for money and sustainability, number of beneficaries, lmmediate and long term benefits. Most also are not full cost and require match funding. I know from experience applying from such grants and I also know from experience that many volunteers are much better at running these services than council workers but they will struggle finding funding for centres that are already running at a loss. I wish every community / voluntary groups the best of luck but funding is going to get a lot harder to get due to a lot of existing grant funds coming to an end and an increase in applications to ongoing and new grant funds. The goverment ethos of communities taking control sounds excellent on paper but they have to ensure that there is funding available both nationally, regional and local to enable them to do it. milano
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6:28pm Wed 15 Sep 10

your granny says...

John Willaims wrote:
Give her a chance, shes only taken control last night, You lot are all gloom and doom merchants. what did the coalition do for us? Bugger all thats what. If Bins collections costs us to much money for weekly collection then lets change it to fortnightly whats wrong with that? Everyone has to recycle
I have recycled since before they started collecting it from houses. The current system works for our family of 4 really well (except for xmas time) and should not be changed. other people though, don't seem to bother and just dump it in the alley which means we all have to pay somebody else to come and collect it after the rats/foxes/cats/dogs have had their fill.

Which is the better option?
[quote][p][bold]John Willaims[/bold] wrote: Give her a chance, shes only taken control last night, You lot are all gloom and doom merchants. what did the coalition do for us? Bugger all thats what. If Bins collections costs us to much money for weekly collection then lets change it to fortnightly whats wrong with that? Everyone has to recycle[/p][/quote]I have recycled since before they started collecting it from houses. The current system works for our family of 4 really well (except for xmas time) and should not be changed. other people though, don't seem to bother and just dump it in the alley which means we all have to pay somebody else to come and collect it after the rats/foxes/cats/dogs have had their fill. Which is the better option? your granny
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8:34pm Wed 15 Sep 10

Hugh Jardon says...

midas wrote:
Hugh Jardon wrote:
But speaking after the meeting at Blackburn Town Hall Coun Hollern said: "We gave a guarantee to save Shadsworth Leisure Centre and we will do our best to return services there..." which means absolutely sod all!!!
Either the reporter or Coun Hollern have missed a few words out. The sentance should read..... "We gave a guarantee, before the elections, to save Shadsworth Leisure Centre and now we are in control, we will do our best to return services there!!

and if there best isn't good enough? or will she tell us what services are to be cut to find the money?
..of course they won't.....

Labia LIE..it's what they do.
[quote][p][bold]midas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugh Jardon[/bold] wrote: But speaking after the meeting at Blackburn Town Hall Coun Hollern said: "We gave a guarantee to save Shadsworth Leisure Centre and we will do our best to return services there..." which means absolutely sod all!!![/p][/quote]Either the reporter or Coun Hollern have missed a few words out. The sentance should read..... "We gave a guarantee, before the elections, to save Shadsworth Leisure Centre and now we are in control, we will do our best to return services there!! and if there best isn't good enough? or will she tell us what services are to be cut to find the money?[/p][/quote]..of course they won't..... Labia LIE..it's what they do. Hugh Jardon
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8:57pm Wed 15 Sep 10

dotcomedy101 says...

strewth what an ugly fecker she is for the face of BwDBC, im thinking of the idiom "dont judge a book by its cover"

judged her!
strewth what an ugly fecker she is for the face of BwDBC, im thinking of the idiom "dont judge a book by its cover" judged her! dotcomedy101
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9:36pm Wed 15 Sep 10

Kev says...

I would like someone from Labour to tell me how they have improved my Town in the last thirty years.

I want you to tell me how spending countless Millions on your imported immigrant voters has enriched my life.

My home is worth less than I paid for it, your lowlife, benefit scrounging, freeloading scum voters have infested our once proud community.
Vote Labour? Party of the working Man?
Don't think so!
This once proud town is on it's knees. You should be ashamed, but somehow I doubt it
I would like someone from Labour to tell me how they have improved my Town in the last thirty years. I want you to tell me how spending countless Millions on your imported immigrant voters has enriched my life. My home is worth less than I paid for it, your lowlife, benefit scrounging, freeloading scum voters have infested our once proud community. Vote Labour? Party of the working Man? Don't think so! This once proud town is on it's knees. You should be ashamed, but somehow I doubt it Kev
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10:35pm Wed 15 Sep 10

Barry11 says...

Jack Straw & his gang have presided over MY town & it has gone to the dogs under his & Labour's tenure!!

Nothing to be proud of is it Jack!!
Jack Straw & his gang have presided over MY town & it has gone to the dogs under his & Labour's tenure!! Nothing to be proud of is it Jack!! Barry11
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4:22am Thu 16 Sep 10

dragonfist2 says...

So far the previous Councils promises of helping support communities have fell flat and way short. I for one would have supported anyone who could have cut waste (and our council oozes this in many departments not just community and leisure) yet retained services in a more sustainable way. This was not shown and Communities where left finding their own disaster plans. We know who the people are who were there for us in our time of need and it was not the previous council of axemen ready to cut everything away in every deprived area possible. I am not concerned who is or is not in control of the Council so long as the decisions made are of sound sense. Yes cuts will still have to be made and why not start by saving a good few million at Witton park and the white elephant which will be the new youth hub ! Communities have been given the 10 commandments of what the council want of any groups taking over running of the community centres and think the council should maybe open a few fish stalls on our dying market....Becuase they stink!
Talk about moving goal posts.
Its now over to Labour to see how they deliver "BETTER" plans on cuts yet retaining services as best as possible becuase I know one thing? I would rather pay another few quid on my council tax than have no police on the streets or communities without the facilities to carry on doing the good work that Councils should be paying for anyway and saving us (Council Tax payers) even more money. The former Council made a big mistake axing (disguised as withdrawing funding!) and attacking the very people who vote for them yet giving the green light to millions in funding to support a chosen few. Time for Labour to now pay the ferryman becuase the people of Blackburn with Darwen are watching.
Fairness for all can be delivered but valid reasons backed up with consistant action and transparency in all areas needs to be seen by us voters or all parties will lose respect and apathy will set in. OVER TO YOU!
So far the previous Councils promises of helping support communities have fell flat and way short. I for one would have supported anyone who could have cut waste (and our council oozes this in many departments not just community and leisure) yet retained services in a more sustainable way. This was not shown and Communities where left finding their own disaster plans. We know who the people are who were there for us in our time of need and it was not the previous council of axemen ready to cut everything away in every deprived area possible. I am not concerned who is or is not in control of the Council so long as the decisions made are of sound sense. Yes cuts will still have to be made and why not start by saving a good few million at Witton park and the white elephant which will be the new youth hub ! Communities have been given the 10 commandments of what the council want of any groups taking over running of the community centres and think the council should maybe open a few fish stalls on our dying market....Becuase they stink! Talk about moving goal posts. Its now over to Labour to see how they deliver "BETTER" plans on cuts yet retaining services as best as possible becuase I know one thing? I would rather pay another few quid on my council tax than have no police on the streets or communities without the facilities to carry on doing the good work that Councils should be paying for anyway and saving us (Council Tax payers) even more money. The former Council made a big mistake axing (disguised as withdrawing funding!) and attacking the very people who vote for them yet giving the green light to millions in funding to support a chosen few. Time for Labour to now pay the ferryman becuase the people of Blackburn with Darwen are watching. Fairness for all can be delivered but valid reasons backed up with consistant action and transparency in all areas needs to be seen by us voters or all parties will lose respect and apathy will set in. OVER TO YOU! dragonfist2
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8:59am Thu 16 Sep 10

your granny says...

Kev from Roe Lee. You've hit the nail on the head. Labour have done nothing since they came into power. Oh yeah they made a few houses nicer in the p!ss poor areas, but the heart of the town has be slaughtered. Manufacturing has gone and as so has any sense of community. There are two halves of Blackburn and we know where Straws snout is.
Kev from Roe Lee. You've hit the nail on the head. Labour have done nothing since they came into power. Oh yeah they made a few houses nicer in the p!ss poor areas, but the heart of the town has be slaughtered. Manufacturing has gone and as so has any sense of community. There are two halves of Blackburn and we know where Straws snout is. your granny
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10:29am Thu 16 Sep 10

dragonfist2 says...

We have more people in our town and more unemployment payments.This means money is spread more thinly. If services have to be cut should we not be relying on the unemployed to do a bit for their money here and there. This will soon sort the workshy and benefit grabbers from those who really want to work and instill a bit more confidence in the system for those of us who do and wish to work!
Community centres would be an ideal place to work from and be better used for the greater good. Its no good whinging if ideas are not put into practice but such ideas are going to need joined up services from all and a town that wishes to get off its knees and lose the attidude of needing wet nursing and its bottom wiping which has become all to prevalant in the UK. 50,000 British leaving our shores every Year emigrating and taking vital skills and experience to say nothing of their wealth with them. We need to stop the rot at the heart of where the rot is instead of denying or ignoring (becuase we all do) it, hoping it will stop or go away and hoping another political party will sort it. Its our problem and as long as we put up with it, it will continue! Ask yourself a question...What have you done lately to improve your society and make a difference without whining to another agency? If you cannot think of one thing then you need to take your place in society instead of blaming this or blaming that. Free yourself of political boundaries and do whats best and just instead of what a political party says they will offer becuase talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words! You can see what happens when people work together and vent their unhappyness at services being lost along with jobs. Apply this to all things in life and problems would be sorted in no time. If something doesnt work,fix it! Dont whine about it!
We have more people in our town and more unemployment payments.This means money is spread more thinly. If services have to be cut should we not be relying on the unemployed to do a bit for their money here and there. This will soon sort the workshy and benefit grabbers from those who really want to work and instill a bit more confidence in the system for those of us who do and wish to work! Community centres would be an ideal place to work from and be better used for the greater good. Its no good whinging if ideas are not put into practice but such ideas are going to need joined up services from all and a town that wishes to get off its knees and lose the attidude of needing wet nursing and its bottom wiping which has become all to prevalant in the UK. 50,000 British leaving our shores every Year emigrating and taking vital skills and experience to say nothing of their wealth with them. We need to stop the rot at the heart of where the rot is instead of denying or ignoring (becuase we all do) it, hoping it will stop or go away and hoping another political party will sort it. Its our problem and as long as we put up with it, it will continue! Ask yourself a question...What have you done lately to improve your society and make a difference without whining to another agency? If you cannot think of one thing then you need to take your place in society instead of blaming this or blaming that. Free yourself of political boundaries and do whats best and just instead of what a political party says they will offer becuase talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words! You can see what happens when people work together and vent their unhappyness at services being lost along with jobs. Apply this to all things in life and problems would be sorted in no time. If something doesnt work,fix it! Dont whine about it! dragonfist2
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11:23am Thu 16 Sep 10

Between the lines says...

whereistedward wrote:
chloesdad wrote: As quoted earlier, Darwen is doomed now Hollern has her grubby mitts on control. This is the same woman who was Labour leader when the pathetic new road way system was introduced, the same woman who forced residents out of their property to make way for the academy, and the same woman who introduced fortnightly bin collections......God help em!
Don't be daft chloesdad ! The Academy was absolutely nothing to do with 'forcing' folk to be moved out of their homes. (in fact 95% of folk were not 'forced' at all) The homes were demolished because of their condition and the condition of the area in general. (this was confirmed in the independent inspectors report). And get your facts right...there was ALWAYS a WEEKLY collection of rubbish. (it used to be one week for recycling the next for non-recyled rubbish).
Get your facts right!!! They didn't have weekly collections of rubbish, there where fortnightly collections of rubbish and fortnightly collections of recycling.
Now there is weekly collections of rubbish and fortnightly recycling.
Also the old system meant separating recyclables into separate containers, the current allows for it to be placed all in one bin.
Admit it for once, the current system is far superior to Labours old one.
[quote][p][bold]whereistedward[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chloesdad[/bold] wrote: As quoted earlier, Darwen is doomed now Hollern has her grubby mitts on control. This is the same woman who was Labour leader when the pathetic new road way system was introduced, the same woman who forced residents out of their property to make way for the academy, and the same woman who introduced fortnightly bin collections......God help em![/p][/quote]Don't be daft chloesdad ! The Academy was absolutely nothing to do with 'forcing' folk to be moved out of their homes. (in fact 95% of folk were not 'forced' at all) The homes were demolished because of their condition and the condition of the area in general. (this was confirmed in the independent inspectors report). And get your facts right...there was ALWAYS a WEEKLY collection of rubbish. (it used to be one week for recycling the next for non-recyled rubbish).[/p][/quote]Get your facts right!!! They didn't have weekly collections of rubbish, there where fortnightly collections of rubbish and fortnightly collections of recycling. Now there is weekly collections of rubbish and fortnightly recycling. Also the old system meant separating recyclables into separate containers, the current allows for it to be placed all in one bin. Admit it for once, the current system is far superior to Labours old one. Between the lines
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