Darwen rehab centre set for approval (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Wasn't Jake Berry, the new MP taking all the plaudits for seeing off this application some months before the election? Where is he now????

I reckon that any coucillor who votes for this to go ahead is FINISHED at the next local elections.

Darwen has enough troubles without importing any more.

One feels sorry for these individuals but let someone else take the strain for a change.

How about, Burnley, Nelson and Colne?

Just listen to the " nimby's" above.
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The human beings who will be attending this centre are attempting to get their lives in order not rape and pillage Darwen.
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I feel sorry for ignorant and fearful people like them who have forgotten their humanity. Or are more concerned about the value of their property than alleviating human suffering
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shame on you

No shame on me sunshine, I just fail to see why this needs to be put in such an affluent area of Darwen (there few and far between!)

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There's far more suitable locations central to town where it is not as residential.

Even if they wanted it in Whitehall, there are better locations, like what used to be the half way house near Knowsley Road. At least this was on the main road, in full view. This location is very secluded and will prove counter productive to people trying to battle their habits.

As for being ignorant and fearful, you know nothing about me. I have seen and been around some close people fighting such addictions for too often. So give up on your ignorant ****, I completely understand the need for such projects, but they need to be in more suitable locations.

Well it just goes to show, 256 objections may as well have been written on toilet paper and flushed. It's called democracy...

I haven't seen any mention of just how old the "Children" will be either...

The need for this type of facility highlights the failure of the "New Labour" project and their "War on Drugs". "New Labour" and their politically disorientated policies failed to address the use of Class A drugs in the U.K. The reason for the "New Labour" failure was, of course, due to political correctness and hence their inability to face the truth about who is actually dealing Class A drugs in the U.K. The "Drugs Intervention Programme" which was Tony Blair's pet project was, and still is, a miserable waste of Tax payers money. The "New Labour" project allowed hundreds of thousands of dangerous criminals into the U.K. unchecked. In fact they and their disorientated political policies actively encouraged this. The result is that we are now living amongst dangerous criminals who, inter alia, are making vast amounts of money dealing Class A drugs. The fact of the matter is that the "majority" of criminals who are high up in the supply of drugs are from "ethnic minorities" never did sit well with the navel gazing "New Labour" left wing lunatics. Thank God they have been rejected by the U.K. electorate. Fiat Lux.
Deus Vobiscum

We managed to win the objection in Sudell Road last year. This was inappropriate for the Sudell Road location that was proposed to be set up on an End Terrace with no outside play space for Children on a busy junction.

Unfortunately common sense doesn't prevail when it comes to planning. Residents of Darwen with addiction problems don't seem to benefit from centres such as these as you often find that residents in these centres come from out of town.

You need to focus on planning issues such as lack of outside play space for children, Parking ect and being in a residential area.

The power of the people and the fact that this was inappropriate for Sudell Road won this planning application last year.

I completely agree that there are much more "Appropriate" locations for such a centre to give addicts a better chance of rehabilitation. For example the disused boarding house near the new Darwen Health Centre would be ideal. Residents could walk into central Darwen and have immediate access to Health facilities if needed.

Good luck to the people of Holly Tree Close. Write letters, hold meeting and object to this in your community. Darwen residents don't want this here.

Oh great, just what we need. All for it (obviously not on my doorstep) IF this is just for LOCAL Darwen people but if it isn't then WHY?
What is the horrendous (looking) new building for next to James Gibson?
N.B I would like to know Dave Smiths vote as I certainly would not be happy if he supports this and I WOULD remember it. Over to you Dave and IF you are voting in favour then please tell me how it helps any or the majoirty of your supporters.

Ther'll certainly be no shortage of 'customers'.

Stone Island wrote:
Ther'll certainly be no shortage of 'customers'.

Well it is a proposed drug and alcohol centre, so I guess you're right...... well worked out...

DEO VOLENTE wrote:
The need for this type of facility highlights the failure of the "New Labour" project and their "War on Drugs". "New Labour" and their politically disorientated policies failed to address the use of Class A drugs in the U.K. The reason for the "New Labour" failure was, of course, due to political correctness and hence their inability to face the truth about who is actually dealing Class A drugs in the U.K. The "Drugs Intervention Programme" which was Tony Blair's pet project was, and still is, a miserable waste of Tax payers money. The "New Labour" project allowed hundreds of thousands of dangerous criminals into the U.K. unchecked. In fact they and their disorientated political policies actively encouraged this. The result is that we are now living amongst dangerous criminals who, inter alia, are making vast amounts of money dealing Class A drugs. The fact of the matter is that the "majority" of criminals who are high up in the supply of drugs are from "ethnic minorities" never did sit well with the navel gazing "New Labour" left wing lunatics. Thank God they have been rejected by the U.K. electorate. Fiat Lux. Deus Vobiscum

Crime was down 43% under Labour. Fact. These are independent figures, not the Govts.
Crime doubled under the last Tory Govt. Again, independent figures.

CapitaBackHander wrote:
Oh great, just what we need. All for it (obviously not on my doorstep) IF this is just for LOCAL Darwen people but if it isn't then WHY? What is the horrendous (looking) new building for next to James Gibson? N.B I would like to know Dave Smiths vote as I certainly would not be happy if he supports this and I WOULD remember it. Over to you Dave and IF you are voting in favour then please tell me how it helps any or the majoirty of your supporters.

If you go along to the Committee meeting on Thursday you can see how everyone votes !

Funny, isn't it, when you get reports of these hostels opening, and read the objections from the locals, you also always get accusations of "nimbyism" from the likes of NICEONESUNSINE, who probably, like the council planners who ok these schemes, live nowhere near them. It's easy to have a "holier than thou" attitude when there's no chance it will ever affect you. Let's face it, these girls are the lowest of the low and will attract the male lowest of the low. So, NICEONESUNSHINE, you can shove your "humanity" where the sun don't shine.

DEO VOLENTE wrote:
The need for this type of facility highlights the failure of the "New Labour" project and their "War on Drugs". "New Labour" and their politically disorientated policies failed to address the use of Class A drugs in the U.K. The reason for the "New Labour" failure was, of course, due to political correctness and hence their inability to face the truth about who is actually dealing Class A drugs in the U.K. The "Drugs Intervention Programme" which was Tony Blair's pet project was, and still is, a miserable waste of Tax payers money. The "New Labour" project allowed hundreds of thousands of dangerous criminals into the U.K. unchecked. In fact they and their disorientated political policies actively encouraged this. The result is that we are now living amongst dangerous criminals who, inter alia, are making vast amounts of money dealing Class A drugs. The fact of the matter is that the "majority" of criminals who are high up in the supply of drugs are from "ethnic minorities" never did sit well with the navel gazing "New Labour" left wing lunatics. Thank God they have been rejected by the U.K. electorate. Fiat Lux.
Deus Vobiscum

do you really have to try so very hard to be that stupid, totally ignorant and racist.
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judging by your ridiculous latinesque name yo claim to be some man of god.
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dont know which god you worship, but there is no contrition, forgiveness or understanding in your nincampoop rantings.
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if you had a good idea it would be lonely - stuff your god up your arse.

Voxpopuli wrote:
Funny, isn't it, when you get reports of these hostels opening, and read the objections from the locals, you also always get accusations of "nimbyism" from the likes of NICEONESUNSINE, who probably, like the council planners who ok these schemes, live nowhere near them. It's easy to have a "holier than thou" attitude when there's no chance it will ever affect you. Let's face it, these girls are the lowest of the low and will attract the male lowest of the low. So, NICEONESUNSHINE, you can shove your "humanity" where the sun don't shine.

What a Selfish Numbskull you are. Firstly I live just down the road.....And secondly, your right ,it will NEVER effect me because unlike you and the rest of the nimby's I AM neither ignorant or fearful of HUMANS

NICEONESUNSHINE, BLACKBURN? And you live "just down the road?" I think not. And living "just down the road" is not like living next door or in the same street. Oh, and note, I didn't have to resort to childish name-calling.

Oh no here we go again! Why not change what was the Duke of Wellington (Rosins) Pub, Pickup Bank, into a drug/drink residentail rehabiliation centre instead? The children will have plenty of moorland to play on and, at least, Rosins doesn't have a Bargain Booze shop nearby where the nearest shop to Woodlands is a Bargain Booze shop.

Let's work on the principal that we do need facilites like this, and then someone suggest what would be a good location.
All well thought out reasonable suggestions please.

Whereistedward - "Crime was down 43% under Labour. Fact. These are independent figures, not the Govts.
Crime doubled under the last Tory Govt. Again, independent figures."

Please, please do supply a link to these figures so I can prove to you just how incorrect they are.

Does anyone know where the funding for this venture is coming from?

BuckoTheMoose wrote:
Whereistedward - "Crime was down 43% under Labour. Fact. These are independent figures, not the Govts. Crime doubled under the last Tory Govt. Again, independent figures." Please, please do supply a link to these figures so I can prove to you just how incorrect they are. Does anyone know where the funding for this venture is coming from?

Official Crime figures are only down on paper, because people are no longer reporting crime because it is a waste of time.

A Darener wrote:

BuckoTheMoose wrote: Whereistedward - "Crime was down 43% under Labour. Fact. These are independent figures, not the Govts. Crime doubled under the last Tory Govt. Again, independent figures." Please, please do supply a link to these figures so I can prove to you just how incorrect they are. Does anyone know where the funding for this venture is coming from?

Official Crime figures are only down on paper, because people are no longer reporting crime because it is a waste of time.

True. And the definitions of crimes have been so skewed by Labour in an attempt to fiddle the figures.

A Darener wrote:

BuckoTheMoose wrote: Whereistedward - "Crime was down 43% under Labour. Fact. These are independent figures, not the Govts. Crime doubled under the last Tory Govt. Again, independent figures." Please, please do supply a link to these figures so I can prove to you just how incorrect they are. Does anyone know where the funding for this venture is coming from?

Official Crime figures are only down on paper, because people are no longer reporting crime because it is a waste of time.

Spot on A Darener. My thoughts exactly!

Never forget that the "New Labour" legacy is one of "Soft on Class A drugs, Soft on those dealing in Class A drugs". "New Labour" and their failed "War on Drugs" was due to political correctness in relation to "ethnic groups". "New Labour" could not face the truth and hence allowed hundreds of thousands of dangerous criminals into the U.K. A very substantial amount of these dangerous criminals are still actively involved in the importing, supplying and dealing Class A drugs. A further substantial amount of these dangerous criminals are also clogging up the criminal justice system in the U.K. on Class A drugs charges. In addition there are thousands of dangerous criminals, who should not even be in the U.K., who are sitting in U.K. Jail's, at the U.K. taxpayers expense for committing Class A drug offences. These are facts. Dont take my word for it, ask the Home Office for the statistics. As for crime falling under "New Labour" I have never read anything as ridiculous in a very long time. "New Labour" were and still are "Spin and no Substance". "New Labour" were complicit in and responsible for a crime explosion in the U.K. The "New Labour" legacy has left the U.K economically and morally bankrupt. Thankfully their politically disorientated, Spendaholic, Champagne Socialism was rejected by the U.K. electorate at the last elction. We must never let them back into office. Are you listening Mr Milliband.
Deus Vobiscum

In addition, Notwithstanding what politically correct, "uneducated" individuals try to tell you there is and can only ever be one true god. That is my god.
Deus Vobiscum

DEO VOLENTE wrote:
In addition, Notwithstanding what politically correct, "uneducated" individuals try to tell you there is and can only ever be one true god. That is my god.
Deus Vobiscum

what a prat

hasslem hasslem wrote:

DEO VOLENTE wrote:
In addition, Notwithstanding what politically correct, "uneducated" individuals try to tell you there is and can only ever be one true god. That is my god.
Deus Vobiscum

what a prat

You're being kind hasslem. I was thinking that the tag selfish,egotistical, conceited, tory ar*ehole was more fitting.......

Grizzly, Darwen.

In your first post you mention that Jake Berry "saw off" this matter and "took all the plaudits" and where is he now?
As far as I am aware Jake Berry MP held and chaired a meeting with residents and issued about two hundred planning objection letters. What more can he do? You imply that he is not interested anymore which is not true.
It is up to the objectors to canvass their own councillors to get them to take action now.
Jake Berry did his bit.
The problem is that if the planning authorities make their mind up they don't always take notice of what people think.
The best suggestion if these poor people have to be accommodated in Darwen is to open up the premises in Police Street where they would be close to town, not isolated up in Whitehall in what is a beautiful residence which could be put to better purpose. They would also be near to the Health Centre and the new Leisure Centre.

Always remember that "New Labour" are responsible for the economic and moral decline of the U.K. "New Labour" were a lamentable failure in relation to preventing the import, supply and dealing of Class A drugs. Intrinsically linked to the "New Labour" failure was their inability to accept a true picture in relation to Class A drug offences being committed by "Ethnic Minorities". "New Labour" actively contributed to a crime explosion in the UK by allowing hundreds of thousands of dangerous criminals from all over the World into the U.K. These dangerous criminals are still actively involved in the importing, supplying and dealing of Class A drugs. We must never let "New Labour" back into office so that they can infect and corrupt our great country further. Indeed the tide has turned and our great country is now reversing the disorientated policies that the "New Labour" project implemented. In addition, for the record and in direct response to the "uneducated heathens" who dared to criticise my previous comments. I repeat, Notwithstanding what politically correct "uneducated" individuals try to tell you, there is and can ever only be one true God. That is my God. That being the case "Fiat Lux"
Deus Vobiscum

BuckoTheMoose wrote:

A Darener wrote:

BuckoTheMoose wrote: Whereistedward - "Crime was down 43% under Labour. Fact. These are independent figures, not the Govts. Crime doubled under the last Tory Govt. Again, independent figures." Please, please do supply a link to these figures so I can prove to you just how incorrect they are. Does anyone know where the funding for this venture is coming from?

Official Crime figures are only down on paper, because people are no longer reporting crime because it is a waste of time.

True. And the definitions of crimes have been so skewed by Labour in an attempt to fiddle the figures.

The figures are on the British Crime Survey website. The BCS is the most authoritative, independent, survey of crime. It looks at the long term trends in crime, measured on a like for like basis. No fiddled figures, figures compared on old & new definitions. Because of the rise in the number of mobile phones crimes are actually reported more now.
Please read the BCS.

amazed wrote:
Grizzly, Darwen. In your first post you mention that Jake Berry "saw off" this matter and "took all the plaudits" and where is he now? As far as I am aware Jake Berry MP held and chaired a meeting with residents and issued about two hundred planning objection letters. What more can he do? You imply that he is not interested anymore which is not true. It is up to the objectors to canvass their own councillors to get them to take action now. Jake Berry did his bit. The problem is that if the planning authorities make their mind up they don't always take notice of what people think. The best suggestion if these poor people have to be accommodated in Darwen is to open up the premises in Police Street where they would be close to town, not isolated up in Whitehall in what is a beautiful residence which could be put to better purpose. They would also be near to the Health Centre and the new Leisure Centre.

DUH! Why do you think the new hostel was built?

CapitaBackHander, Darren.

I thought that place was for "people who pass in the night" I have no idea who frequent it. (By the way why DUH?)

If you think that the Hostel is the right place then do something about it and canvass your local councillor instead of making snide comments.

I don't think the old "Model" in Police Street (which the new place in Berry Street replaced), specifically catered for the type of women and children that it is envisaged to be accommodated in Woodlands, did it?

That is why I did not suggest the new building DUH!!

whereistedward wrote:

BuckoTheMoose wrote:

A Darener wrote:

BuckoTheMoose wrote: Whereistedward - "Crime was down 43% under Labour. Fact. These are independent figures, not the Govts. Crime doubled under the last Tory Govt. Again, independent figures." Please, please do supply a link to these figures so I can prove to you just how incorrect they are. Does anyone know where the funding for this venture is coming from?

Official Crime figures are only down on paper, because people are no longer reporting crime because it is a waste of time.

True. And the definitions of crimes have been so skewed by Labour in an attempt to fiddle the figures.

The figures are on the British Crime Survey website. The BCS is the most authoritative, independent, survey of crime. It looks at the long term trends in crime, measured on a like for like basis. No fiddled figures, figures compared on old & new definitions. Because of the rise in the number of mobile phones crimes are actually reported more now.
Please read the BCS.

Thanks Wereistedward.
The British Crime Survey is done by a limited company called BMRB on bahalf of the Home office so it is not independant.
Quote: "Professor Ken Pease, former acting head of the Home Office's police research group, and Professor Gary Farrell of Loughborough University, estimated in 2007 that the BCS was underreporting crime by about 3 million incidents per year due to its practice of arbitrarily capping the number of crimes one can be victimised by in a given year at five. If true the error means that violent crime might actually stand at 4.4 million incidents per year, an 82% increase over the 2.4 million previously thought. Since the five crimes per person cap has been consistent since the BCS began this might not affect the long-term trends, however it takes little account of crimes such as domestic violence, figures for which would allegedly be 140% higher without the cap. Incidentally, police figures are also thought to seriously undercount repeat victimisation.

The British Crime Survey has also been criticised for its exclusion of all under 16s and residents of communal establishments from its surveys, and for its inability to offer statistics for so-called "victimless" crimes, such as those concerning drugs. The BCS also fails to record crimes against businesses, commercial premises and vehicles and (because it is a victim survey) instances of murder and manslaughter."

It appears they seriously under report the actual number of crimes. Since they have only been doing yearly reviews since 2001, this may be why crime under the tories is reported as higher than that under Labour.

An independant survey by researchers at the House of Commons Library suggest violent crime has risen by 44% under Labour. That is only one of the research papers I found that support this.

It's time to upgrade your security in the Whitehall area, when we had that doss house on Whitehall street burglaries increased.

in the article it states "But plans for The Woodlands are recommended for approval by Blackburn with Darwen Council planning bosses, and will go before councillors at a planning meeting on Thursday at 6.30pm."

Has anyone heard anything about the outcome of this meeting?

At the meeting, the decision to refuse or approve the application was deferred until the next planning meeting in September. The Committee asked for further clarification as to how many people would be attending the Rehab Centre and how it would be organised in terms of the residential and day care facility. It seems that the plan is for 10 residents, 10 day care and 12 staff. This does not include any children of the women. The applicant attended and was supported by the current owners of Woodlands. A new business plan had been submitted which none of the local people were made aware of. There is no indication as to how this Centre will be funded, but the Grade II listed building is in a state of disrepair and will need extensive work and money spent on it.

NICEONESUNSHINE wrote:
Just listen to the " nimby's" above.
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The human beings who will be attending this centre are attempting to get their lives in order not rape and pillage Darwen.
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I feel sorry for ignorant and fearful people like them who have forgotten their humanity. Or are more concerned about the value of their property than alleviating human suffering
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shame on you

Agreed. Because, let's face it, I have yet to see anyone in Darwen displayed this 'humanity' you mention ... one look at the place is enough to drive people away, there is no light shining in this place that's for sure, it quickly gets vandalised by the yobs, the drug addicts, the arsonists, the vandals, thieves, muggers with dozens of prior crimes, the knife wielding maniacs that seem to get reported on daily in this paper, most high as a kite on superglue or herion, the very young children who are out at night or being used as drug mules, drinking and getting it from adults who willingly - nor care, either, long as they get a few £££ out of it - the teenagers who trash the place they live in (where's the sense in this?), the town centre ... the ones who climb on church towers whilst scaffolded, whom really should be locked up somewhere under any other circumstances ...

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I don't agree with the centre, though, as it would possibly benefit more from placing it NOT in temptations way and in a town that already has a very high drug dealing problem which has been known possibly throughout the land for decades, it's nothing new and it won't go away.

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But, the ones who complain must be unable to see what goes on in their town or, if not, it's become part of their lives growing up they think it's 'normal' because it's all they've ever known, all they will know in life ... That they are completely incapable or even intelligent enough to understand that the town is ALREADY fully of the same people who would be getting help from this centre. But it's funny how so many of these people scream from the rooftops upon hearing about such things coming into their own town. They already live amongst you or are you too thick to see that? Or, for that matter, care?

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I am afraid you will not see the thing called humanity in this town, it doesn't exist. Everyone else living outside the town can see it, why cannot the town people themselves? Is it too hard, perhaps? More importanltly, are you actually PROUD your town has this image? So don't carp on about centres like this when the whole town more or less is of the same ilk as the ones who would attend the centre. Wake up!

DEO VOLENTE wrote:
The need for this type of facility highlights the failure of the "New Labour" project and their "War on Drugs". "New Labour" and their politically disorientated policies failed to address the use of Class A drugs in the U.K. The reason for the "New Labour" failure was, of course, due to political correctness and hence their inability to face the truth about who is actually dealing Class A drugs in the U.K. The "Drugs Intervention Programme" which was Tony Blair's pet project was, and still is, a miserable waste of Tax payers money. The "New Labour" project allowed hundreds of thousands of dangerous criminals into the U.K. unchecked. In fact they and their disorientated political policies actively encouraged this. The result is that we are now living amongst dangerous criminals who, inter alia, are making vast amounts of money dealing Class A drugs. The fact of the matter is that the "majority" of criminals who are high up in the supply of drugs are from "ethnic minorities" never did sit well with the navel gazing "New Labour" left wing lunatics. Thank God they have been rejected by the U.K. electorate. Fiat Lux.
Deus Vobiscum

And all the other governments that came before "New Labour" were SO much better! That is of course why they continued to be voted into power every election up until the present day... Oh wait a minute... NEW labour? Hmmmm… You seem to like regurgitated text book Latin so here's one for you... "deos enim religuos accepimus, Caesares dedimus". I think I would also like to see your clearly painstakingly researched evidence regarding those pesky "ethnic minorities" and their role in the upper echelons of drug supply if you have the time.

i'm only 15 and i am going to fight for this centre to be set up. Darwen needs somewhere just as an option for people who are struggling. a brilliant response my mum got was that "people were opposed to the homeless centre before it was set up and there has been no problem from them in fact maybe it would be a good idea to ask the people running there to sign it"

It warms my heart to know people do still care about people and don't just forget the suffering they must have gone through to resort to drugs.

one final thing to those who live in the white hall area and are concerned for there children's welfare i would like to remind them they are living near a park were dozens of addicts take daily. here there are going to be NO such subsistence aloud on premises unlike what an NHS centre would have