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Letters special on East Lancs magistrate who called yobs 'scum'

The Lancashire Telegraph has received dozens of letters following our stories on the row about the East Lancashire magistrate branding two teenage vandals 'absolute scum'. Here is a selection of them.

I am sick of the politically correct disease that’s sweeping this country.

The unbelievable action of relieving magistrate Austin Molloy of his duties after dealing with two yobs who desecrated Blackburn Cathedral by stating that normal people would consider them ‘absolute scum’ is frightening.

Furthermore, the actions of the court clerk, challenging Mr Molloy in open court followed by her approach to one of the mothers, necessitates her immediate withdrawal from any court in the land.

She has not only undermined the magistrates but also sent out a message that these yobs can do whatever they want without any recrimination.

These feral people have shown a total lack of respect, ignored the line drawn between what is acceptable and unacceptable behaviour and cocked a hoot at the rest of us who strive for decency.

We’ve just celebrated the anniv-ersary of VE Day. I wonder what the men and women of this land who fought for our democracy and freedom of speech would think of this clerk and her ilk?

Coun Konrad Tapp, Meadowhead Ward, Blackburn with Darwen.

ONCE again Blackburn with Darwen has shot itself in the foot, big-time.

The two 16-year-old idiots with previous records vandalised Blackburn Cathedral but cannot be identified and, as usual, got a small fine and slap on the wrist.

I feel sorry for Mr Molloy being barred from the bench for using a very mild word against the little darlings.

The court clerk should have been told to sit down and shut up.

Also, to the mum who lodged a complaint, I’d say you are 90% to blame for your son’s actions. You should be ashamed!

Mr Molloy, I have never heard of you but I feel sorry for the petty, childish way your colleagues are treating you.

I was called worse names at school by the teachers.

If you are getting a petition up to clear your name please send me some copies.

I think I could get 500 to 600 signatures at the very least.

By the way, which group do the lads belong to – the 67,000 who play truant every day, or the 20,000 who are expelled from school?

Frank Crompton, Lightbown Street, Darwen.

I’m willing to bet that not one correspondent agrees with the Clerk of the Court.

Quite apart from whether she overstepped her remit (and I think that her actions should be the subject of an enquiry), she plainly failed to act in the interests of good public order.

Do you want a society whose tone is set by a respected pillar of the community with 18 years’ public service, or the kind of ill-bred louts we’re all familiar with?

Good governance (like good parenting) is quite possibly a thing of the past.

Name and address supplied.

The cathedral was the victim here.

These 16-year-olds will have been laughing all the way home because the magistrate was challenged by a court clerk. What is going to happen to her for going against the court’s correct procedure? Nothing.

If my children had done that to the cathedral I would not be sending a letter of complaint – I would have wanted my kids punished.

Name and address supplied.

Whatever happened to calling a spade a spade?

The country has gone mad with political correctness.

It is bad enough that these people cannot be named and shamed for what they did, without tying the courts’ tongues as well as their hands.

Stan Melling, Lower Darwen.

What right does the clerk have to undermine the authority of the court?

Mr Molloy deserves a commendation from the High Sheriff for his actions.

All power to your elbow, Mr Molloy, and I look forward to reading about your reinstatement in the Lancashire Telegraph.

Roger L King (via email).

What Mr Molloy said is only what all law-abiding decent people would think and say.

These vandals entered our beautiful cathedral and desecrated it.

How can it be wrong for them to be verbally rebuked?

M Lockley, address supplied.

The court clerk owes Mr Molloy an apology as his words were not inappropriate.

The dictionary describes one of the meanings of ‘scum’ as ‘a vile person’. Their conduct was certainly vile.

Frank Harrop, Hoddlesden.

Yet again the criminals have come off best. If they are not scum, what are they?

This magistrate should be given a medal, not suspended.

W Strahan, Darwen.

Comments(23)

Mike says...
1:13pm Wed 19 May 10

Mr Molloy, in the publics minds, certainly occupies the moral highground but unfortunately our too politically correct establishment doesn't protect the righteous.

midas says...
4:04pm Wed 19 May 10

Can you please stop calling her a Clerk, she is a Legal Advisor which means she is a qualified solicitor with many years of expirience. From whom does the evidence come that she has encouraged the mother to complain?

Law Man says...
5:45pm Wed 19 May 10

It could have been worse for the lad, if the Magistrate had dubbed him a Dingle. All hell would have broken loose.

Law Man says...
5:47pm Wed 19 May 10

Although there is a respectable body of opinion, not shared by myself, that the two terms are interchangeable.

Squeegy72 says...
6:51pm Wed 19 May 10

Does it really matter what her role is in the courtroom. Mr Molloy was the Magistrate presiding over the case at the time, and it was him delivering the sentencing. It is not for her to verbally criticise him in open court at this time, she should have addressed the matter with him later.


Frank Harrop from Hoddlesden wrote: -
The court clerk owes Mr Molloy an apology as his words were not inappropriate.

The dictionary describes one of the meanings of ‘scum’ as ‘a vile person’. Their conduct was certainly vile.

I work with young people who have themselves been involved with crime. If you ask them what type of language they would prefer to be addressed in, it would be one in which they understand....and for many of them, vile would not be understood but they would understand scum.

Mr Molloy was just and right in his comment. He did not slag off the young boys and use his own opinion, he merely commented about how normal people would consider them to be scum. Judging by the telegraph poll, he appears to be correct in his belief.

CapitaBackHander says...
9:08pm Wed 19 May 10

midas wrote:
Can you please stop calling her a Clerk, she is a Legal Advisor which means she is a qualified solicitor with many years of expirience. From whom does the evidence come that she has encouraged the mother to complain?
Midas you continously post a lot of crap and I think people get bored of telling you this!
She is a Clerk to the Court. She should also have said what she said behind closed doors!

No1spark says...
11:37pm Wed 19 May 10

This is for the Lady clerk of the courts or Legal Advisor, call her what you like.
she should have mad any comments out of the court room. NOT direct to the magistrate.
I wonder how she may feel if the "Scum"bags destroyed her home.??
law & order is there to perfrom a job of making sure we all do the right thing.
Maybe the magistrate should have told her to shut up & get out of the court room how would she feel then.??????

midas says...
9:34am Thu 20 May 10

She is not Clerk to the Court that position was scraped about 5 years ago. Now they are Legal Advisors who have to be qualified solicitors, unlike the Clerk to the Court.

midas says...
9:34am Thu 20 May 10

She is not Clerk to the Court that position was scraped about 5 years ago. Now they are Legal Advisors who have to be qualified solicitors, unlike the Clerk to the Court.

sackthegov says...
10:03am Thu 20 May 10

Clerk to Court or Legal Advisor whatever her title this woman has shown all the scum bags she represents in courts it is fine to show no respect whatsoever to those in higher authority and that anyone who dare call a spade a spade should be challenged and rebuked - an absolute disgrace to her profession and those decent solicitors who work hard to try and rid our streets of scum! She should be named and shamed - if my sons had done what these two scum bags had done I would want the book thrown at them (but then again I am from a hard working family who does not think this world owes me a living so my values are obvioulsy higher than those of the scum bags mothers in this case) I would want to know my sons got what they deserved legally and would have applauded the Magistrate and would have been mortified if the solicitor representing them had done what she did - she is an embarressment to the profession and should be struck off - I am sure every decent person would want to know any solicitor they employed had values and respect for their peers within the profession - name and shame her she is the one who is out of order not the Magistrate - this world has gone mad!

midas says...
11:11am Thu 20 May 10

She doesn't represent defendants her role (unlike a Crown Court Clerk who is unqualified and just assist the Judge) is to advise the Magistrates on LAW AND PROCEDURE. Mr Molloy got his terminology wrong and needed to be advised accordingly!
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wrinkles says...
11:45am Thu 20 May 10

Would she have accepted the old fashioned phrase of "wicked malevolent wretch" I wonder. The official court language might be regulated but we're not now in the days of yore and the public's common use of language has moved on. The female Assistant was at fault by not understanding that that particular phrase was chosen in order that the teenage defendant(s) could understand common colloquially used language

A Darener says...
12:18pm Thu 20 May 10

midas wrote:
She doesn't represent defendants her role (unlike a Crown Court Clerk who is unqualified and just assist the Judge) is to advise the Magistrates on LAW AND PROCEDURE. Mr Molloy got his terminology wrong and needed to be advised accordingly! .
Mr Molloy did not get his terminology wrong, he was actually quite restrained in his comments. Many people, especially some of those on these pages would have used far worse expressions of disgust.

midas says...
12:36pm Thu 20 May 10

A Darener wrote:
midas wrote: She doesn't represent defendants her role (unlike a Crown Court Clerk who is unqualified and just assist the Judge) is to advise the Magistrates on LAW AND PROCEDURE. Mr Molloy got his terminology wrong and needed to be advised accordingly! .
Mr Molloy did not get his terminology wrong, he was actually quite restrained in his comments. Many people, especially some of those on these pages would have used far worse expressions of disgust.
Thats the whole point! The people writing in are not sitting in Court in the official capacity as a presiding magistrate. There is a difference that many people just don't seem to understand.

The fact that most normal people would consider these boys scum is not either in doubt or debate.
.
There are just two questions

1. Should a Magistrate liken a defendant to scum.

2. If he shouldn't should the Legal Advisor give him the opportunity to re phrase his terminology.

That is the crux of this debate. She is not helping ther defendant she is trying to assist the Magistrate who either hasn't understood or hasn't followed the appropriate guidelines.

A Darener says...
12:46pm Thu 20 May 10

Midas, I understand where you are coming from. But! it is your opinion and that of the court advisor, that the words used were inappropriate. The word in question is in the dictionary so how can it not be right to use it if it applies in the case in question i.e. "scum" = a vile person. Surely a wholly appropriate
description.

moggy669 says...
1:12pm Thu 20 May 10

Each to their own opinion, i know which is more popular, the "normal" folks ones.
Well said austin, its the least they deserve, they should be named and shamed.

Ken Shuffles says...
1:39pm Thu 20 May 10

When it comes to naming and shaming, I agree, those who ABUSE THE YOUNG in our courts and churches are scum.
It's interesting that A LOT OF PEOPLE IN BUSINESS also think Molley has behaved like SCUM.

Ken Shuffles says...
1:47pm Thu 20 May 10

Most of the Scum is in the wealth and Greed and Properties of the Church. Any kid who has done his History can understand that.

He said MOST People would consider you to be vile people. He was (a) wrong and (b) Abusive. Obviously, his utterances and thought and feeling were without regard to any evidence whatsoever.

This Guy is a dangerous and often insulting fantasist.

bigste says...
2:38pm Thu 20 May 10

I'd agree with Coun. Tapp in that if anyone should be repremanded it should be the idiot clerk who rebuked the Magistrate in open court.
In any walk of life it is not etiquet to rebuke anyone in authority in public. That is very basic common sense of which the clerk had none.

jaffa92 says...
4:34pm Thu 20 May 10

A Darener wrote:
Midas, I understand where you are coming from. But! it is your opinion and that of the court advisor, that the words used were inappropriate. The word in question is in the dictionary so how can it not be right to use it if it applies in the case in question i.e. "scum" = a vile person. Surely a wholly appropriate description.
just because it'e in the dictionary doesn't mean he should be allowed to say it.
In the dictionary - f***k up - definition =
a.to bungle or botch; ruin.
b.to act stupidly or carelessly; cause trouble; mess up.

I think that applies to both defendants and the magistrate

celtica says...
5:48pm Thu 20 May 10

We live in a society where young people are calling the shots, the rest of us are turning catwheels to pander to their rights. 'Disrespect' a miscreant youth at your peril!
I think it important to speak to errant youths in a language they will understand, which Mr Molloy did, he could have used rather stronger language and perhaps he should have.
Shuffles is wrong, the scum were caught bang to rights and in another culture would have been sent home minus a few body parts.

A Darener says...
9:46am Fri 21 May 10

"Scum" is not a swear word. The language you suggest is. You can't even bring yourself to spell it out because you know that kind of language DOES cause offence. Swearing has no place in a Court of Law.

nosimongarner says...
7:34pm Mon 24 May 10

Who is this stupid bird? (clerk) should she not be at home fixing her wife's tea.

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