We’re winning fight against perverts, say Blackburn with Darwen team (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Well Done to the Engage team for thier hard work and innovitive interventons to support and protect these young people and for bringing the perpertrators to justice.

But if alaways baffles me when a story like this comes out the mere mention of asians gets people attacking the whole asian/muslim community. We have had stories most notably of peodophiles in our area...who happen to be white. Does this mean that all us white people condone such behaviour and at fault for these people doing this.

You get 5cums, benifit scroungers, junkies and drug dealers from all backgrounds.

Yes we do have a issue with older asian me targeting vulnerble white girls and the Engage team are doing a fatastic job in attempting to eradicate this. They are similar problems in Birmingham with members of the black community and in Notthingham with members of the white community.

Yes i do agree with you retiredone. i do feel that Salim Mulla needs to be more pro-active in his response to the issue. He is very defensive in his approach when something's gone wrong i feel that he needs to be just as critical of issues as this.

Tougher sentences and naming and shaming would sort these men out

if there have been 37 men charged couldnt the LET print a list of names every now and then, the people wouldnt think twice about doing it again

pathetic telegraph removing posts yet again. free speech unless u speak up for white people.

truth1234 wrote:
pathetic telegraph removing posts yet again. free speech unless u speak up for white people.

LET I feel that it is appaling that you have removed many of the post. Yes i agree that if something is vividly offensive/racist/una
cceptable then then you have a duty to remove such comments. However what is the point of having such forums if people cannot share thet views. I see that all my post have remained intact as i am talking in defense of the vast mulsim/asian poplulation. This in itself is unfair and is only going to intensify hate and bitterness amongst the people who's post you are trying to remove. These pages should be for healthy discussion but this can only be allowed if all opinions can be viewed.

Mike Costa says:

Agreed with all thats been said.

We need to sort the men from the boys.

Don't you all realise that our media is censoring opinion, free speech is dead in this country. Thought you all knew that.
We all know about the issue of asians grooming and schools sending home warning letters. Spoke with a woman i know who was shocked that they blatantly hang round schools when her daughter brought home a letter warning about it.

Delete when ready.

sambam wrote:

truth1234 wrote: pathetic telegraph removing posts yet again. free speech unless u speak up for white people.

LET I feel that it is appaling that you have removed many of the post. Yes i agree that if something is vividly offensive/racist/una cceptable then then you have a duty to remove such comments. However what is the point of having such forums if people cannot share thet views. I see that all my post have remained intact as i am talking in defense of the vast mulsim/asian poplulation. This in itself is unfair and is only going to intensify hate and bitterness amongst the people who's post you are trying to remove. These pages should be for healthy discussion but this can only be allowed if all opinions can be viewed.

I could not agree more. It is the people who feel they have to 'protect' minority groups who create massive frustration which in turn is labled as racism, which in turn creates more frustration. Shame on the narrow minded, short sighted editorial staff of the L.E.T

dont just blame asians,what a bout the kids parents??they should be telling them not to get in these cars just for weed and a ride in a souped up astra/B.M.W,educate these kids...and theres plenty of white peados around to...stop **** footing around,hand down big sentances AND SORT THESE OLD SENIAL JUDGES OUT who think its the norm to be a peado..

RAyzer wrote:
dont just blame asians,what a bout the kids parents??they should be telling them not to get in these cars just for weed and a ride in a souped up astra/B.M.W,educate these kids...and theres plenty of white peados around to...stop **** footing around,hand down big sentances AND SORT THESE OLD SENIAL JUDGES OUT who think its the norm to be a peado..

Well said RAyzar...not often i agree with you but you've hit the nail on the head

Its not racisim its a team targetting males abusing under age girls -- the offenders just happen to be Asian -- you cannot fabricate some non Asian offenders just to keep people happy !!!

Well done to the team for the efforts so far and may they be more successful and increase the prosecutions. Hope they are still targeting the Vue and the railway station around the side in Blackburn

well done do what they do abroad chop there pride and joy of very slowly and make them suffer that will show them not to mess with children SICKOS its horrible the thought of that hapning with my 4 children ,i gues tho it not just girl i bet it boys too ,finaley these sicko can be put away good work :) :)

What needs to be done is firstly ban the evil convict from driving a car for life no ifs/buts, give them a lengthy jail sentence not a few months as this type of act is potentially exasperating for the victim's life in future. The second occasion there caught would definitely have to be something near enough to the lethal injection.

truth1234 wrote:
pathetic telegraph removing posts yet again. free speech unless u speak up for white people.

I totally agree, my earlier post was removed. I wonder if it was because I mentioned Salim Mulla.
Anyway these perverts should be named and shamed along with a photograph of them on the front page of the Telegraph.

Sambam, although you may mean well, I think you're a bit misguided with your, how shall I put it, "mental conditioning" of trying to frame the parameters of debate.
You quickly came to the 'rescue' of the "whole" Asian community by trying to fend off criticisms of it, but it’s easy to try and paint a picture which isn't there, to try and silence harsh criticisms aimed at the Asian sector of society.

Nobody blames the WHOLE Asian community for these acts, and its folly to suggest people do.
What is the case however, is that the vast majority (in fact, I’d say almost entirely exclusively - despite what the paper has to print for the sake of preventing inter-community violence)are Asian Muslim males.

If around 90%+ of these cases are Asian males, then it’s quite right to be very vociferous and condemning that general sector of society. The problem lies in their court. It doesn’t mean somebody is suggesting that every single Asian male is a grooming paedophile, but what it does mean is that the blame is being sent where its due. Pretending it could be anybody and it is being done by anybody is not doing anyone any favours.

I keep a close eye on these matters, and I can assure you I have not seen any major case with the white population as perpetrators anywhere in the country. Almost exclusively they have been Asian Muslim males and Black males. Whether it’s Burnley and Pendle, Blackburn, Blackpool, Bradford, Leicester, Birmingham, or further afield the story is often the same. That some in the country are perhaps Turkish, and possibly classed as 'white' on some census forms is here nor there.
This particular twist of the crime is not even confined to this country, it is also prevalent in other European countries with the same kinds of demographic mix.

Of course, there are white paedophiles. Of course there’s the odd looking chap hanging around the park swings or some luring piano teacher taking liberties or whatever - but let’s be absolutely plain here - the mentality, the attitude, the scene and the scale of abuse along with the cocktail of drugs and deep damaging mental scars on these poor girls (that lasts months, years, often a lifetime) is an entirely different situation.

Some letching saddo on a computer webcam, or some loner getting his jollies around park gates is a far cry from what lay beneath this particular grooming of girls by Asian Muslim youths and older men.

In fact, to try and hide/minimise that it is almost exclusively (if not fully exclusively) Asian males doing this is putting young girls at risk for the sake of Political Correctness.
Whether it’s polite to say so or not, they should be told (without any fear of "racism" labels) who are the most likely to groom them in this way. The only reason the caveat is emphasised in the newspaper story is to try and prevent rioting or attacks on the Asian community, and a cynical attempt to stop certain political parties from pointing it out. It is in the guidelines of the National Union of Journalists to do so, and the organisations like the Police and child welfare teams are usually 'that way out' when it comes to these matters.

As for Rayzer.....wow, are you an apologist for these paedophiles?. Perhaps Im mistaken but that seems to be the thrust of your argument when you strip it down to basics. What are you suggesting, that because parents aren’t watching their daughters' every single move it's okay for the predators to act?.

If I left a briefcase in my car with some sandwiches in, that does not mean that I deserve to have my car broken into by thieves. It is not *my* fault the crime was committed, it is the actions of the criminal who decided to break into my car and *they alone* who is responsible for the crime.

I concede that we are in a very broken society where many parents can't even control their children and many don’t know where they are or what they are up to - but that in itself is no excuse for them being abused in this way.

Teenage girls often rebel against their parents and in case you weren’t aware - this is part of the "scene" behind these groomers. They try and set the girl away from the parents until the point is reached where the parent’s warnings and such are not taken seriously and acted against in sheer bloody mindedness.

They are made to distrust their family, reject the authority of the parents, or eventually made to feel so ashamed and in too deep with sex and drugs etc that they are held hostage by their own actions, and blackmailed "if you don’t do it, I will tell your mum what a 'slag' you are and what you've done" or even threats of serious violence. Etc etc.

This is the idea of grooming, to take rebellious and unconfident young girls and set them against their parents' already flagging control. To make them feel "grown up" and involved in a sort of street culture of fast car rides, drugs, sex and alcohol that is alluring and exciting at that age.

These victims see these people as their "friends" and often don’t want to prosecute, and because they’ve been conditioned by liberalist society in general to be so easy-going about sex and drug taking, and being 'colour blind' etc despite their parents' warnings - many don't see a problem with getting involved with any of it at the start.

Unless you plan on locking young people in their bedrooms or installing tracking devices and CCTV around the neighbourhood to keep track of daughters, I don’t know what else somebody would do with a 13/14 year old girl who disappears random evenings until very late.

Like somebody trying to make out that a rape victim “had it coming" because they dress a certain way or act a certain way, it is unacceptable to think this way and is on the way to being the mindset of an appeaser. It is the kind of attitude that if women don’t cover up or otherwise don’t conform to strict conservative social norms they are prey for rape like 'leaving a piece of chicken out for a cat' (to paraphrase an Australian Imam).

It’s good to know that the team is cracking down on it, but it’s taken long enough - we've all known in these areas that it’s been going on for a decade or more. I think only a potent brew of pressure from the outside has seen this be taken up seriously.

When it was brought up a good few years ago in Bradford, for the sake of "community cohesion" the problem was outright denied by the Chief Constable there and a television broadcast discussing the matter was postponed because it could have had explosive reactions at the ballot box in the then up-coming election. Some out there are still taking the line that this whole problem was a "racist myth" made up out of fresh air. But many normal people are far from in denial and have no qualms at pointing out just who is predominantly behind this. People can only obscure the truth for so long.

It is a secret scourge on society, because nobody knows when and where, and what scale this problem is. I think there would be hell to pay if it was more open and visible in society. Tides are turning in that regard. It is good that these teams are there, because I know for a fact that if this had continued without such teams there are many people out there who are quite ready and willing to get together and try and get on top of this situation without the police being involved.
Good luck to the team, we have to show this is not acceptable and we need to get proper court rulings that are fitting as a deterrent. But that’s where it usually falls down. Like many police schemes and such, they do a lot of expensive, emotional, time consuming work to see it come to a disheartening conviction at the end of it.

Good luck to the team, its good to hear they are having some impact. Sadly though, this is a situation that isnt going to go away, and I bet its just the tip of the iceberg.

NelsonPatriot wrote:
Sambam, although you may mean well, I think you're a bit misguided with your, how shall I put it, "mental conditioning" of trying to frame the parameters of debate. You quickly came to the 'rescue' of the "whole" Asian community by trying to fend off criticisms of it, but it’s easy to try and paint a picture which isn't there, to try and silence harsh criticisms aimed at the Asian sector of society. Nobody blames the WHOLE Asian community for these acts, and its folly to suggest people do. What is the case however, is that the vast majority (in fact, I’d say almost entirely exclusively - despite what the paper has to print for the sake of preventing inter-community violence)are Asian Muslim males. If around 90%+ of these cases are Asian males, then it’s quite right to be very vociferous and condemning that general sector of society. The problem lies in their court. It doesn’t mean somebody is suggesting that every single Asian male is a grooming paedophile, but what it does mean is that the blame is being sent where its due. Pretending it could be anybody and it is being done by anybody is not doing anyone any favours. I keep a close eye on these matters, and I can assure you I have not seen any major case with the white population as perpetrators anywhere in the country. Almost exclusively they have been Asian Muslim males and Black males. Whether it’s Burnley and Pendle, Blackburn, Blackpool, Bradford, Leicester, Birmingham, or further afield the story is often the same. That some in the country are perhaps Turkish, and possibly classed as 'white' on some census forms is here nor there. This particular twist of the crime is not even confined to this country, it is also prevalent in other European countries with the same kinds of demographic mix. Of course, there are white paedophiles. Of course there’s the odd looking chap hanging around the park swings or some luring piano teacher taking liberties or whatever - but let’s be absolutely plain here - the mentality, the attitude, the scene and the scale of abuse along with the cocktail of drugs and deep damaging mental scars on these poor girls (that lasts months, years, often a lifetime) is an entirely different situation. Some letching saddo on a computer webcam, or some loner getting his jollies around park gates is a far cry from what lay beneath this particular grooming of girls by Asian Muslim youths and older men. In fact, to try and hide/minimise that it is almost exclusively (if not fully exclusively) Asian males doing this is putting young girls at risk for the sake of Political Correctness. Whether it’s polite to say so or not, they should be told (without any fear of "racism" labels) who are the most likely to groom them in this way. The only reason the caveat is emphasised in the newspaper story is to try and prevent rioting or attacks on the Asian community, and a cynical attempt to stop certain political parties from pointing it out. It is in the guidelines of the National Union of Journalists to do so, and the organisations like the Police and child welfare teams are usually 'that way out' when it comes to these matters. As for Rayzer.....wow, are you an apologist for these paedophiles?. Perhaps Im mistaken but that seems to be the thrust of your argument when you strip it down to basics. What are you suggesting, that because parents aren’t watching their daughters' every single move it's okay for the predators to act?. If I left a briefcase in my car with some sandwiches in, that does not mean that I deserve to have my car broken into by thieves. It is not *my* fault the crime was committed, it is the actions of the criminal who decided to break into my car and *they alone* who is responsible for the crime. I concede that we are in a very broken society where many parents can't even control their children and many don’t know where they are or what they are up to - but that in itself is no excuse for them being abused in this way. Teenage girls often rebel against their parents and in case you weren’t aware - this is part of the "scene" behind these groomers. They try and set the girl away from the parents until the point is reached where the parent’s warnings and such are not taken seriously and acted against in sheer bloody mindedness. They are made to distrust their family, reject the authority of the parents, or eventually made to feel so ashamed and in too deep with sex and drugs etc that they are held hostage by their own actions, and blackmailed "if you don’t do it, I will tell your mum what a 'slag' you are and what you've done" or even threats of serious violence. Etc etc. This is the idea of grooming, to take rebellious and unconfident young girls and set them against their parents' already flagging control. To make them feel "grown up" and involved in a sort of street culture of fast car rides, drugs, sex and alcohol that is alluring and exciting at that age. These victims see these people as their "friends" and often don’t want to prosecute, and because they’ve been conditioned by liberalist society in general to be so easy-going about sex and drug taking, and being 'colour blind' etc despite their parents' warnings - many don't see a problem with getting involved with any of it at the start. Unless you plan on locking young people in their bedrooms or installing tracking devices and CCTV around the neighbourhood to keep track of daughters, I don’t know what else somebody would do with a 13/14 year old girl who disappears random evenings until very late. Like somebody trying to make out that a rape victim “had it coming" because they dress a certain way or act a certain way, it is unacceptable to think this way and is on the way to being the mindset of an appeaser. It is the kind of attitude that if women don’t cover up or otherwise don’t conform to strict conservative social norms they are prey for rape like 'leaving a piece of chicken out for a cat' (to paraphrase an Australian Imam). It’s good to know that the team is cracking down on it, but it’s taken long enough - we've all known in these areas that it’s been going on for a decade or more. I think only a potent brew of pressure from the outside has seen this be taken up seriously. When it was brought up a good few years ago in Bradford, for the sake of "community cohesion" the problem was outright denied by the Chief Constable there and a television broadcast discussing the matter was postponed because it could have had explosive reactions at the ballot box in the then up-coming election. Some out there are still taking the line that this whole problem was a "racist myth" made up out of fresh air. But many normal people are far from in denial and have no qualms at pointing out just who is predominantly behind this. People can only obscure the truth for so long. It is a secret scourge on society, because nobody knows when and where, and what scale this problem is. I think there would be hell to pay if it was more open and visible in society. Tides are turning in that regard. It is good that these teams are there, because I know for a fact that if this had continued without such teams there are many people out there who are quite ready and willing to get together and try and get on top of this situation without the police being involved. Good luck to the team, we have to show this is not acceptable and we need to get proper court rulings that are fitting as a deterrent. But that’s where it usually falls down. Like many police schemes and such, they do a lot of expensive, emotional, time consuming work to see it come to a disheartening conviction at the end of it. Good luck to the team, its good to hear they are having some impact. Sadly though, this is a situation that isnt going to go away, and I bet its just the tip of the iceberg.

I like this post/article....

Straight talking, informed & an honest assessment of this all sorrid business.

I have, in the past worked closely with disadvantaged young people & the sorrow I felt was tangible & very difficult to switch off from.

No apologies should ever be made for the people who perpetrate to these actions of utter misery on the victims, who are after all vulnerable & living out of the loop.

I dont care what colour they are(although it is a known fact on the dirty dark streets that asian men are the main culprits for this kind of grooming) if not recognised by the 'Authoritys'

The engage team should be given all the armour that is required to make real inroads to this sorrid & life damaging business, because make no mistake that is what it is, fueled by drugs & money & last but not least POWER.

A very serious situation that, if not curtailed will in the next decade or two be seriously out of control.

Regards

NelsonPatriot wrote:
Sambam, although you may mean well, I think you're a bit misguided with your, how shall I put it, "mental conditioning" of trying to frame the parameters of debate. You quickly came to the 'rescue' of the "whole" Asian community by trying to fend off criticisms of it, but it’s easy to try and paint a picture which isn't there, to try and silence harsh criticisms aimed at the Asian sector of society. Nobody blames the WHOLE Asian community for these acts, and its folly to suggest people do. What is the case however, is that the vast majority (in fact, I’d say almost entirely exclusively - despite what the paper has to print for the sake of preventing inter-community violence)are Asian Muslim males. If around 90%+ of these cases are Asian males, then it’s quite right to be very vociferous and condemning that general sector of society. The problem lies in their court. It doesn’t mean somebody is suggesting that every single Asian male is a grooming paedophile, but what it does mean is that the blame is being sent where its due. Pretending it could be anybody and it is being done by anybody is not doing anyone any favours. I keep a close eye on these matters, and I can assure you I have not seen any major case with the white population as perpetrators anywhere in the country. Almost exclusively they have been Asian Muslim males and Black males. Whether it’s Burnley and Pendle, Blackburn, Blackpool, Bradford, Leicester, Birmingham, or further afield the story is often the same. That some in the country are perhaps Turkish, and possibly classed as 'white' on some census forms is here nor there. This particular twist of the crime is not even confined to this country, it is also prevalent in other European countries with the same kinds of demographic mix. Of course, there are white paedophiles. Of course there’s the odd looking chap hanging around the park swings or some luring piano teacher taking liberties or whatever - but let’s be absolutely plain here - the mentality, the attitude, the scene and the scale of abuse along with the cocktail of drugs and deep damaging mental scars on these poor girls (that lasts months, years, often a lifetime) is an entirely different situation. Some letching saddo on a computer webcam, or some loner getting his jollies around park gates is a far cry from what lay beneath this particular grooming of girls by Asian Muslim youths and older men. In fact, to try and hide/minimise that it is almost exclusively (if not fully exclusively) Asian males doing this is putting young girls at risk for the sake of Political Correctness. Whether it’s polite to say so or not, they should be told (without any fear of "racism" labels) who are the most likely to groom them in this way. The only reason the caveat is emphasised in the newspaper story is to try and prevent rioting or attacks on the Asian community, and a cynical attempt to stop certain political parties from pointing it out. It is in the guidelines of the National Union of Journalists to do so, and the organisations like the Police and child welfare teams are usually 'that way out' when it comes to these matters. As for Rayzer.....wow, are you an apologist for these paedophiles?. Perhaps Im mistaken but that seems to be the thrust of your argument when you strip it down to basics. What are you suggesting, that because parents aren’t watching their daughters' every single move it's okay for the predators to act?. If I left a briefcase in my car with some sandwiches in, that does not mean that I deserve to have my car broken into by thieves. It is not *my* fault the crime was committed, it is the actions of the criminal who decided to break into my car and *they alone* who is responsible for the crime. I concede that we are in a very broken society where many parents can't even control their children and many don’t know where they are or what they are up to - but that in itself is no excuse for them being abused in this way. Teenage girls often rebel against their parents and in case you weren’t aware - this is part of the "scene" behind these groomers. They try and set the girl away from the parents until the point is reached where the parent’s warnings and such are not taken seriously and acted against in sheer bloody mindedness. They are made to distrust their family, reject the authority of the parents, or eventually made to feel so ashamed and in too deep with sex and drugs etc that they are held hostage by their own actions, and blackmailed "if you don’t do it, I will tell your mum what a 'slag' you are and what you've done" or even threats of serious violence. Etc etc. This is the idea of grooming, to take rebellious and unconfident young girls and set them against their parents' already flagging control. To make them feel "grown up" and involved in a sort of street culture of fast car rides, drugs, sex and alcohol that is alluring and exciting at that age. These victims see these people as their "friends" and often don’t want to prosecute, and because they’ve been conditioned by liberalist society in general to be so easy-going about sex and drug taking, and being 'colour blind' etc despite their parents' warnings - many don't see a problem with getting involved with any of it at the start. Unless you plan on locking young people in their bedrooms or installing tracking devices and CCTV around the neighbourhood to keep track of daughters, I don’t know what else somebody would do with a 13/14 year old girl who disappears random evenings until very late. Like somebody trying to make out that a rape victim “had it coming" because they dress a certain way or act a certain way, it is unacceptable to think this way and is on the way to being the mindset of an appeaser. It is the kind of attitude that if women don’t cover up or otherwise don’t conform to strict conservative social norms they are prey for rape like 'leaving a piece of chicken out for a cat' (to paraphrase an Australian Imam). It’s good to know that the team is cracking down on it, but it’s taken long enough - we've all known in these areas that it’s been going on for a decade or more. I think only a potent brew of pressure from the outside has seen this be taken up seriously. When it was brought up a good few years ago in Bradford, for the sake of "community cohesion" the problem was outright denied by the Chief Constable there and a television broadcast discussing the matter was postponed because it could have had explosive reactions at the ballot box in the then up-coming election. Some out there are still taking the line that this whole problem was a "racist myth" made up out of fresh air. But many normal people are far from in denial and have no qualms at pointing out just who is predominantly behind this. People can only obscure the truth for so long. It is a secret scourge on society, because nobody knows when and where, and what scale this problem is. I think there would be hell to pay if it was more open and visible in society. Tides are turning in that regard. It is good that these teams are there, because I know for a fact that if this had continued without such teams there are many people out there who are quite ready and willing to get together and try and get on top of this situation without the police being involved. Good luck to the team, we have to show this is not acceptable and we need to get proper court rulings that are fitting as a deterrent. But that’s where it usually falls down. Like many police schemes and such, they do a lot of expensive, emotional, time consuming work to see it come to a disheartening conviction at the end of it. Good luck to the team, its good to hear they are having some impact. Sadly though, this is a situation that isnt going to go away, and I bet its just the tip of the iceberg.

NelsonPatriot, You've put arguement forward really well and i understantd what you trying to say. Maybe I am defensive of Asians.

I come from a racist family whose ideaology i'v been trying to change for years. I shared the same views until I met some Asian friends in College who have suppported me through bad times so I sometimes (maybe wrongly so at times) feel that i need to support them when people are attacking they community.

My comments are mainly fuelled when we have people commenting things such as 'send these people back home' 'no wonder people vote the BNP' and so on.

However I understand that more needs to be done withing they community to root this problem out. I suppose one of the difficulties in doing this is that they is no pivotal influential figure for the Asians within Blackburn who is likely to have a bearing on changing this. For almost every Asian I know Mr Salim Mulla doesn't represent them...he's just a man in a suit elected by a small group of people who (not them) who likes to think he's the voice of this community.

I still argue that rather then ALWAYS focusing on the bad within each other. We still need to sometimes take a look at the good (however i suppose the good would not sell papers so we'll never get the chance to see if this ever happens)

Great news that something is being done aboout this at last!
However, worthy of note is the fact that, whilst the Police and other authorities are busy back slapping each other for the initiative shown, it is not too long ago that they were busy locking up BNP members for warning the community about the self same problem.
Funny old world isn't it!

NelsonPatriot, that's a well written piece and delicately handled.

Well done to the Team fighting this problem!

I don't think it's anything to do with religion or race. It's a cultural anomally, it's been recognised as a problem; which will hopefully be rooted out of existence before more people suffer.