Grooming victim's mum speaks out at 'nightmare ordeal' in East Lancashire

Lancashire Telegraph: PARENTS’ FEAR The mum of a grooming victim addressed a police conference PARENTS’ FEAR The mum of a grooming victim addressed a police conference

A MUM whose 13-year-old daughter was plied with drugs and alcohol by a gang of Asian men who groomed her for sex has spoken of her ‘nightmare’ ordeal.

The woman, a mum-of-seven, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said she feared her daughter would be lured into drug addiction, prostitution and finally killed before the authorities intervened.

She said her daughter was targeted when she came to live with her in East Lancashire after the relationship with her father broke down.

“She was isolated. Her older siblings had friends but they were 18 and 19. She sort of latched onto them really.”

But soon the worried mum became concerned that her daughter was spending too much time with her so-called new “friends.”

“She was always texting the friends of her older brother, she was meeting with them and started staying out at night and if I tried to ground her she would go ballistic.

“I used to wait until she had gone out then call the police. When she came home she had no explanation of where she’d been or who she’d been with. She was a stranger to me.”

The abuse came to light when some graffiti of a sexual nature was found scrawled on the girl’s bedroom wall. It had been written by a man who had visited the house in the middle of the night.

It later emerged the girl had been receiving texts from several much older men who would take her out in their cars and give her alcohol. Everything came to a head when she was given cocaine and taken to a hotel.

She said: “I gave my permission for the police to intervene and seize her mobile phone. I didn’t know what was going on at the time.

“I felt helpless and angry. I tried to confront the perpetrators but they just laughed at me. They found it highly amusing.”

The girl and her family were helped by Operation Freedom, a multi-agency task force set up to protect girls and boys from child sexual exploitation.

Months on the girl has returned to school and is looking to the future.

“She is a totally different person now. I’m really proud of her. I would urge any parents who are worried about their children being exploited to talk to them. Just make sure. If you are wrong fantastic.”

She was speaking at a conference designed to tackle child sexual exploitation, organised by Lancashire police.

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1:52am Wed 15 Jun 11

moggy669 says...

Unfortunately, due to the pathetic, lenient sentences handed out to the perpetrators they will continue in their sick behaviour.
The only way to keep these vile excuses for human beings from taking advantage of young girls is to dish out some serious sentencing, i wont hold my breath...
Well done to the police and teams trying to stamp it out, its just a pity the judges dont share their enthusiasm.
Unfortunately, due to the pathetic, lenient sentences handed out to the perpetrators they will continue in their sick behaviour. The only way to keep these vile excuses for human beings from taking advantage of young girls is to dish out some serious sentencing, i wont hold my breath... Well done to the police and teams trying to stamp it out, its just a pity the judges dont share their enthusiasm. moggy669

2:24am Wed 15 Jun 11

Ronnietate says...

Im pleased to see that finaly we can say in the press that in this case it was an Asian gang. For too long, many people new of such gangs, but because some of them were Asian, the police did not want to get involved for fear of being called racist. If it was the case that the guilty were Asian, then there is nothing racist about saying so. Anyway, I think the sentance for such a crime that's stated in the Koran is death.
Im pleased to see that finaly we can say in the press that in this case it was an Asian gang. For too long, many people new of such gangs, but because some of them were Asian, the police did not want to get involved for fear of being called racist. If it was the case that the guilty were Asian, then there is nothing racist about saying so. Anyway, I think the sentance for such a crime that's stated in the Koran is death. Ronnietate

2:38am Wed 15 Jun 11

Community leader is not a legitimate term says...

I felt helpless and angry. I tried to confront the perpetrators but they just laughed at me. They found it highly amusing.”
This is indicative of the type of people the police and authorities are dealing with although years too late. Jack “spineless “Straw buried this problem for 15 years. 100’s, if not 1000’s of unnecessary extra victims have been created by Jack Straw and Labours’ Political correctness.
Political correctness has destroyed lives and European Human Rights legislation has **** on the remains. Lives have been destroyed, lives have been taken. It doesn’t end when the victims are rescued; they carry their nightmare with them.
I felt helpless and angry. I tried to confront the perpetrators but they just laughed at me. They found it highly amusing.” This is indicative of the type of people the police and authorities are dealing with although years too late. Jack “spineless “Straw buried this problem for 15 years. 100’s, if not 1000’s of unnecessary extra victims have been created by Jack Straw and Labours’ Political correctness. Political correctness has destroyed lives and European Human Rights legislation has **** on the remains. Lives have been destroyed, lives have been taken. It doesn’t end when the victims are rescued; they carry their nightmare with them. Community leader is not a legitimate term

8:04am Wed 15 Jun 11

burner says...

Ronnietate wrote:
Im pleased to see that finaly we can say in the press that in this case it was an Asian gang. For too long, many people new of such gangs, but because some of them were Asian, the police did not want to get involved for fear of being called racist. If it was the case that the guilty were Asian, then there is nothing racist about saying so. Anyway, I think the sentance for such a crime that's stated in the Koran is death.
Agree with opening remark ! There's other EXACTLY similar stories in the national press this week. Stop this " ooh, I can't criticise THAT section of the community because I'll be called a bigot ". Facts are FACTS ! Glad to see the LT reported the important fact.
[quote][p][bold]Ronnietate[/bold] wrote: Im pleased to see that finaly we can say in the press that in this case it was an Asian gang. For too long, many people new of such gangs, but because some of them were Asian, the police did not want to get involved for fear of being called racist. If it was the case that the guilty were Asian, then there is nothing racist about saying so. Anyway, I think the sentance for such a crime that's stated in the Koran is death.[/p][/quote]Agree with opening remark ! There's other EXACTLY similar stories in the national press this week. Stop this " ooh, I can't criticise THAT section of the community because I'll be called a bigot ". Facts are FACTS ! Glad to see the LT reported the important fact. burner

8:17am Wed 15 Jun 11

Lifeinthemix says...

so why did the mother not stop it?
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if the police know who they are then what is the problem and why are they still on the streets?
so why did the mother not stop it? . if the police know who they are then what is the problem and why are they still on the streets? Lifeinthemix

9:18am Wed 15 Jun 11

ibby128 says...

How long must it be before the law actually does something serious about these vile scum???
It's no good the government and co complaining about these bastards when the sentences their judges hand out are so pathetic. Hows that ever going to get rid of the problem.

Castration is the answer. It kills two birds with one stone.
Think about it, they would never be able to do anything like that again and it would be a very effective deterrent.
How long must it be before the law actually does something serious about these vile scum??? It's no good the government and co complaining about these bastards when the sentences their judges hand out are so pathetic. Hows that ever going to get rid of the problem. Castration is the answer. It kills two birds with one stone. Think about it, they would never be able to do anything like that again and it would be a very effective deterrent. ibby128

9:32am Wed 15 Jun 11

Lifeinthemix says...

ibby128 wrote:
How long must it be before the law actually does something serious about these vile scum???
It's no good the government and co complaining about these bastards when the sentences their judges hand out are so pathetic. Hows that ever going to get rid of the problem.

Castration is the answer. It kills two birds with one stone.
Think about it, they would never be able to do anything like that again and it would be a very effective deterrent.
castration unless agreed by the deviant would bring the same problem as hanging, once carried out there is no going back and we hanged lots of innocent people.
.
the gangster culture is the problem when it comes to drugs alchohol and group sex, and of course not forgetting the 60's generation who plied with LSD brought this behaviour into the mix. whether we like it or not we have a generation of damaged minds who see women as whores and themselves as m&m and 50p, aka low life wankers.
.,
in their abuse by society and the schools and indifferent parents, lots of children just ain't what they used to be, so if we are looking for blame look in the mirror as apathy is the major factor from those who claim a morality but only after eastenders and then only a fleeting thought....
[quote][p][bold]ibby128[/bold] wrote: How long must it be before the law actually does something serious about these vile scum??? It's no good the government and co complaining about these bastards when the sentences their judges hand out are so pathetic. Hows that ever going to get rid of the problem. Castration is the answer. It kills two birds with one stone. Think about it, they would never be able to do anything like that again and it would be a very effective deterrent.[/p][/quote]castration unless agreed by the deviant would bring the same problem as hanging, once carried out there is no going back and we hanged lots of innocent people. . the gangster culture is the problem when it comes to drugs alchohol and group sex, and of course not forgetting the 60's generation who plied with LSD brought this behaviour into the mix. whether we like it or not we have a generation of damaged minds who see women as whores and themselves as m&m and 50p, aka low life wankers. ., in their abuse by society and the schools and indifferent parents, lots of children just ain't what they used to be, so if we are looking for blame look in the mirror as apathy is the major factor from those who claim a morality but only after eastenders and then only a fleeting thought.... Lifeinthemix

9:35am Wed 15 Jun 11

Lifeinthemix says...

P.S I forgot to mention the real christ hero of this scene the now dead tupac, the black guy who was persuaded to lie in a bath with a pink furry pair of womens knickers, then present himself as some hard dude who just has to be respected n ****.....
P.S I forgot to mention the real christ hero of this scene the now dead tupac, the black guy who was persuaded to lie in a bath with a pink furry pair of womens knickers, then present himself as some hard dude who just has to be respected n ****..... Lifeinthemix

9:40am Wed 15 Jun 11

past it says...

Community leader is not a legitimate term wrote:
I felt helpless and angry. I tried to confront the perpetrators but they just laughed at me. They found it highly amusing.” This is indicative of the type of people the police and authorities are dealing with although years too late. Jack “spineless “Straw buried this problem for 15 years. 100’s, if not 1000’s of unnecessary extra victims have been created by Jack Straw and Labours’ Political correctness. Political correctness has destroyed lives and European Human Rights legislation has **** on the remains. Lives have been destroyed, lives have been taken. It doesn’t end when the victims are rescued; they carry their nightmare with them.
Spot on, these type of comments have in the past been removed by the LT, as part of a cover up by the press, just for peope saying the truth, now it is out in the open. Want to say a lot more on the LTs stance on this and other race issues but post will then be deleated.
[quote][p][bold]Community leader is not a legitimate term[/bold] wrote: I felt helpless and angry. I tried to confront the perpetrators but they just laughed at me. They found it highly amusing.” This is indicative of the type of people the police and authorities are dealing with although years too late. Jack “spineless “Straw buried this problem for 15 years. 100’s, if not 1000’s of unnecessary extra victims have been created by Jack Straw and Labours’ Political correctness. Political correctness has destroyed lives and European Human Rights legislation has **** on the remains. Lives have been destroyed, lives have been taken. It doesn’t end when the victims are rescued; they carry their nightmare with them.[/p][/quote]Spot on, these type of comments have in the past been removed by the LT, as part of a cover up by the press, just for peope saying the truth, now it is out in the open. Want to say a lot more on the LTs stance on this and other race issues but post will then be deleated. past it

9:47am Wed 15 Jun 11

Lifeinthemix says...

fascism....when the state supports the chaos to keep the normal people in fear=
chaos with consent=fascist regime to bring order out of that chaos=new world order=hell.
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20 years ago dads would have kicked the living daylights out of these hyenas and it would go away, today the hyenas are protected by the free masonic police because they like it like that...
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lets get back to great britain and deal with these low life, if you get cheek smack it, if they do it again leather the little sods.... and the police...take the little sods home so their father can do the same.... don't arrest the dads...O I forgot the same state has removed the dads and so children only have mums...poor children no protectors and the state is waiting to remove the children as they blame mums for not being like rambo....
the UK state...what a load of crap
fascism....when the state supports the chaos to keep the normal people in fear= chaos with consent=fascist regime to bring order out of that chaos=new world order=hell. . 20 years ago dads would have kicked the living daylights out of these hyenas and it would go away, today the hyenas are protected by the free masonic police because they like it like that... . lets get back to great britain and deal with these low life, if you get cheek smack it, if they do it again leather the little sods.... and the police...take the little sods home so their father can do the same.... don't arrest the dads...O I forgot the same state has removed the dads and so children only have mums...poor children no protectors and the state is waiting to remove the children as they blame mums for not being like rambo.... the UK state...what a load of crap Lifeinthemix

10:04am Wed 15 Jun 11

MerlinTheVoiceofReason2 says...

Could the LT remind us who these vile individuals are? Names please. lso, were they successfully prosecuted and what sentences were handed out? Thanks.
Could the LT remind us who these vile individuals are? Names please. lso, were they successfully prosecuted and what sentences were handed out? Thanks. MerlinTheVoiceofReason2

10:08am Wed 15 Jun 11

MerlinTheVoiceofReason2 says...

And another thing, describing them as "groomers" just glosses over the fact that, whether asian or white, sexually abusing underage girls like this makes them paedophiles.
And another thing, describing them as "groomers" just glosses over the fact that, whether asian or white, sexually abusing underage girls like this makes them paedophiles. MerlinTheVoiceofReason2

10:09am Wed 15 Jun 11

Lifeinthemix says...

P.S of course it is not the fault of the police, they do as the corporate state demands, we need to kill the corporate state before it kills us....
P.S of course it is not the fault of the police, they do as the corporate state demands, we need to kill the corporate state before it kills us.... Lifeinthemix

10:25am Wed 15 Jun 11

Community leader is not a legitimate term says...

past it wrote:
Community leader is not a legitimate term wrote:
I felt helpless and angry. I tried to confront the perpetrators but they just laughed at me. They found it highly amusing.” This is indicative of the type of people the police and authorities are dealing with although years too late. Jack “spineless “Straw buried this problem for 15 years. 100’s, if not 1000’s of unnecessary extra victims have been created by Jack Straw and Labours’ Political correctness. Political correctness has destroyed lives and European Human Rights legislation has **** on the remains. Lives have been destroyed, lives have been taken. It doesn’t end when the victims are rescued; they carry their nightmare with them.
Spot on, these type of comments have in the past been removed by the LT, as part of a cover up by the press, just for peope saying the truth, now it is out in the open. Want to say a lot more on the LTs stance on this and other race issues but post will then be deleated.
The Telegraph was patting itself on the back a month ago. They were saying how they have led the way in highlighting this issue with the teams dealing with it.
What the telegraph didn't say was that it has only been in the past 5 years that they have taken this on board.
For 13-15 years they denied there was a problem along with the Politically Correct brigade. They refused to publish letters from the average working man that knew what was going on. They dismissed it as Right Wing propaganda.
(what-safe... I'm sure they take the Pee with passwords)
[quote][p][bold]past it[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Community leader is not a legitimate term[/bold] wrote: I felt helpless and angry. I tried to confront the perpetrators but they just laughed at me. They found it highly amusing.” This is indicative of the type of people the police and authorities are dealing with although years too late. Jack “spineless “Straw buried this problem for 15 years. 100’s, if not 1000’s of unnecessary extra victims have been created by Jack Straw and Labours’ Political correctness. Political correctness has destroyed lives and European Human Rights legislation has **** on the remains. Lives have been destroyed, lives have been taken. It doesn’t end when the victims are rescued; they carry their nightmare with them.[/p][/quote]Spot on, these type of comments have in the past been removed by the LT, as part of a cover up by the press, just for peope saying the truth, now it is out in the open. Want to say a lot more on the LTs stance on this and other race issues but post will then be deleated.[/p][/quote]The Telegraph was patting itself on the back a month ago. They were saying how they have led the way in highlighting this issue with the teams dealing with it. What the telegraph didn't say was that it has only been in the past 5 years that they have taken this on board. For 13-15 years they denied there was a problem along with the Politically Correct brigade. They refused to publish letters from the average working man that knew what was going on. They dismissed it as Right Wing propaganda. (what-safe... I'm sure they take the Pee with passwords) Community leader is not a legitimate term

10:35am Wed 15 Jun 11

Community leader is not a legitimate term says...

ibby128 wrote:
How long must it be before the law actually does something serious about these vile scum???
It's no good the government and co complaining about these bastards when the sentences their judges hand out are so pathetic. Hows that ever going to get rid of the problem.

Castration is the answer. It kills two birds with one stone.
Think about it, they would never be able to do anything like that again and it would be a very effective deterrent.
And it would only cost 2 Nori bricks to do it.
[quote][p][bold]ibby128[/bold] wrote: How long must it be before the law actually does something serious about these vile scum??? It's no good the government and co complaining about these bastards when the sentences their judges hand out are so pathetic. Hows that ever going to get rid of the problem. Castration is the answer. It kills two birds with one stone. Think about it, they would never be able to do anything like that again and it would be a very effective deterrent.[/p][/quote]And it would only cost 2 Nori bricks to do it. Community leader is not a legitimate term

11:08am Wed 15 Jun 11

jack daniels says...

Lifeinthemix wrote:
so why did the mother not stop it?
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if the police know who they are then what is the problem and why are they still on the streets?
but she did! She contacted the police when she had enough evidence to believe there was something really wrong. You know what it's like with teenage girls, a law unto themselves. Until you know 100% that it happening, the cops will do nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Lifeinthemix[/bold] wrote: so why did the mother not stop it? . if the police know who they are then what is the problem and why are they still on the streets?[/p][/quote]but she did! She contacted the police when she had enough evidence to believe there was something really wrong. You know what it's like with teenage girls, a law unto themselves. Until you know 100% that it happening, the cops will do nothing. jack daniels

11:12am Wed 15 Jun 11

jack daniels says...

well done to the mum for standing up to these swine. It's been mentioned before that threats have been made to the families of the abused when the police become involved and I salute your bravery. I hope your daughter recovers from this.
well done to the mum for standing up to these swine. It's been mentioned before that threats have been made to the families of the abused when the police become involved and I salute your bravery. I hope your daughter recovers from this. jack daniels

11:13am Wed 15 Jun 11

ibby128 says...

Lifeinthemix wrote:
ibby128 wrote:
How long must it be before the law actually does something serious about these vile scum???
It's no good the government and co complaining about these bastards when the sentences their judges hand out are so pathetic. Hows that ever going to get rid of the problem.

Castration is the answer. It kills two birds with one stone.
Think about it, they would never be able to do anything like that again and it would be a very effective deterrent.
castration unless agreed by the deviant would bring the same problem as hanging, once carried out there is no going back and we hanged lots of innocent people.
.
the gangster culture is the problem when it comes to drugs alchohol and group sex, and of course not forgetting the 60's generation who plied with LSD brought this behaviour into the mix. whether we like it or not we have a generation of damaged minds who see women as whores and themselves as m&m and 50p, aka low life wankers.
.,
in their abuse by society and the schools and indifferent parents, lots of children just ain't what they used to be, so if we are looking for blame look in the mirror as apathy is the major factor from those who claim a morality but only after eastenders and then only a fleeting thought....
You raise some valid points there LITM. But unlike hanging someone for a crime such as murder as we did back in the day, where they could be proved innocent after, this is quite different.
I'm sure that with the right support and police protection, these girls can correctly identify the scum that exploited them.
[quote][p][bold]Lifeinthemix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ibby128[/bold] wrote: How long must it be before the law actually does something serious about these vile scum??? It's no good the government and co complaining about these bastards when the sentences their judges hand out are so pathetic. Hows that ever going to get rid of the problem. Castration is the answer. It kills two birds with one stone. Think about it, they would never be able to do anything like that again and it would be a very effective deterrent.[/p][/quote]castration unless agreed by the deviant would bring the same problem as hanging, once carried out there is no going back and we hanged lots of innocent people. . the gangster culture is the problem when it comes to drugs alchohol and group sex, and of course not forgetting the 60's generation who plied with LSD brought this behaviour into the mix. whether we like it or not we have a generation of damaged minds who see women as whores and themselves as m&m and 50p, aka low life wankers. ., in their abuse by society and the schools and indifferent parents, lots of children just ain't what they used to be, so if we are looking for blame look in the mirror as apathy is the major factor from those who claim a morality but only after eastenders and then only a fleeting thought....[/p][/quote]You raise some valid points there LITM. But unlike hanging someone for a crime such as murder as we did back in the day, where they could be proved innocent after, this is quite different. I'm sure that with the right support and police protection, these girls can correctly identify the scum that exploited them. ibby128

11:15am Wed 15 Jun 11

Lifeinthemix says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lifeinthemix wrote:
so why did the mother not stop it?
.
if the police know who they are then what is the problem and why are they still on the streets?
but she did! She contacted the police when she had enough evidence to believe there was something really wrong. You know what it's like with teenage girls, a law unto themselves. Until you know 100% that it happening, the cops will do nothing.
I hear you...but age 13...common, no 13 year old of mine gets or got to be outside my reach at any time. I am not blaming the mother either, without the father in the loop this is the status quo for many families.
.
its the result of our excitement in demolishing anything and everything that comes with the label religion, which is not surprising given we here in blighty have suffered the evangelical Christian ethos instead of the old school ethos...
.
throwing the baby out with the bathwater is correct here.
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lifeinthemix[/bold] wrote: so why did the mother not stop it? . if the police know who they are then what is the problem and why are they still on the streets?[/p][/quote]but she did! She contacted the police when she had enough evidence to believe there was something really wrong. You know what it's like with teenage girls, a law unto themselves. Until you know 100% that it happening, the cops will do nothing.[/p][/quote]I hear you...but age 13...common, no 13 year old of mine gets or got to be outside my reach at any time. I am not blaming the mother either, without the father in the loop this is the status quo for many families. . its the result of our excitement in demolishing anything and everything that comes with the label religion, which is not surprising given we here in blighty have suffered the evangelical Christian ethos instead of the old school ethos... . throwing the baby out with the bathwater is correct here. Lifeinthemix

11:19am Wed 15 Jun 11

jack daniels says...

there was a story yesterday on the BBC website about 9 men being charged for a range of sexual offences against seven girls in Shropshire.

I'm glad it's being picked up more by the national press and it's good that the LT is contributing to the awareness of these type of crime. Lets hope it makes a difference.
there was a story yesterday on the BBC website about 9 men being charged for a range of sexual offences against seven girls in Shropshire. I'm glad it's being picked up more by the national press and it's good that the LT is contributing to the awareness of these type of crime. Lets hope it makes a difference. jack daniels

11:27am Wed 15 Jun 11

Lifeinthemix says...

not only that, but in demolishing our own moral backdrop we are allowing lesser systems to take precedent, the Luciferian new age and the gnostic hell which are one and the same come to mind, and the fanatical whabism of the corporate crown's Arabia, aka sharia law.
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like I have said before we need to remove the statute based UK and get back to an improved great britain with a new constitution t sit on the throne.
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and end to speculative masonic systems also known as pyramid schemes in order fair play is the backdrop instead of corporate monopoly.
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in our lack of wisdom and the following of gnosticism as our main thrust, we have lost morality which cancels out any and all fight within to stand for what is right, and o course all the cannabis usage which makes everything cool man...
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kill the hippy keep the heightened awareness=fight for right=win win sanity....
not only that, but in demolishing our own moral backdrop we are allowing lesser systems to take precedent, the Luciferian new age and the gnostic hell which are one and the same come to mind, and the fanatical whabism of the corporate crown's Arabia, aka sharia law. . like I have said before we need to remove the statute based UK and get back to an improved great britain with a new constitution t sit on the throne. . and end to speculative masonic systems also known as pyramid schemes in order fair play is the backdrop instead of corporate monopoly. . in our lack of wisdom and the following of gnosticism as our main thrust, we have lost morality which cancels out any and all fight within to stand for what is right, and o course all the cannabis usage which makes everything cool man... . kill the hippy keep the heightened awareness=fight for right=win win sanity.... Lifeinthemix

12:09pm Wed 15 Jun 11

jack daniels says...

Lifeinthemix wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lifeinthemix wrote:
so why did the mother not stop it?
.
if the police know who they are then what is the problem and why are they still on the streets?
but she did! She contacted the police when she had enough evidence to believe there was something really wrong. You know what it's like with teenage girls, a law unto themselves. Until you know 100% that it happening, the cops will do nothing.
I hear you...but age 13...common, no 13 year old of mine gets or got to be outside my reach at any time. I am not blaming the mother either, without the father in the loop this is the status quo for many families.
.
its the result of our excitement in demolishing anything and everything that comes with the label religion, which is not surprising given we here in blighty have suffered the evangelical Christian ethos instead of the old school ethos...
.
throwing the baby out with the bathwater is correct here.
I hear what your saying mixy, but not everybody has your standards. A break down in family can cause this but I'm not wishing blame others for their actions either.

Where does the bit about religion come from????
[quote][p][bold]Lifeinthemix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lifeinthemix[/bold] wrote: so why did the mother not stop it? . if the police know who they are then what is the problem and why are they still on the streets?[/p][/quote]but she did! She contacted the police when she had enough evidence to believe there was something really wrong. You know what it's like with teenage girls, a law unto themselves. Until you know 100% that it happening, the cops will do nothing.[/p][/quote]I hear you...but age 13...common, no 13 year old of mine gets or got to be outside my reach at any time. I am not blaming the mother either, without the father in the loop this is the status quo for many families. . its the result of our excitement in demolishing anything and everything that comes with the label religion, which is not surprising given we here in blighty have suffered the evangelical Christian ethos instead of the old school ethos... . throwing the baby out with the bathwater is correct here.[/p][/quote]I hear what your saying mixy, but not everybody has your standards. A break down in family can cause this but I'm not wishing blame others for their actions either. Where does the bit about religion come from???? jack daniels

12:42pm Wed 15 Jun 11

Lifeinthemix says...

it was our conscience.....
it was our conscience..... Lifeinthemix

1:07pm Wed 15 Jun 11

George Khan says...

What day is it today? Is it Wednesday?
What day is it today? Is it Wednesday? George Khan

12:00pm Thu 16 Jun 11

Lifeinthemix says...

in conclusion
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if we as society remove the elites wish to see black and white, literal...and position the battle as it is, gangland culture being sponsored from the top, then we can and will remove this mindset by throwing those who wish to exist as such, do so in jail.
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that means we need to support artists who are sane as opposed to those presented by the same elites. that means a ban in the home on all forms of sickness aka hip hop.
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its all about were we as a people spend the money....
in conclusion . if we as society remove the elites wish to see black and white, literal...and position the battle as it is, gangland culture being sponsored from the top, then we can and will remove this mindset by throwing those who wish to exist as such, do so in jail. . that means we need to support artists who are sane as opposed to those presented by the same elites. that means a ban in the home on all forms of sickness aka hip hop. . its all about were we as a people spend the money.... Lifeinthemix

12:04pm Thu 16 Jun 11

Troy McCLur says...

Execute them - that's what they'd do to us if we did it in their Country of origin.
Execute them - that's what they'd do to us if we did it in their Country of origin. Troy McCLur

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