Overturned caravan closes Haslingden bypass (From Lancashire Telegraph)

I am sick and tired of travelling on the motorways at around 55 miles per hour (mph) and being passed by vehicles towing caravans and trailers.
Also I am overtaken by huge trucks.
I have always understood that vehicls towing caravans or trailers were suposed to have a speed limit of 60 mph. Why is this not enforced?

pdb951 wrote:
I am sick and tired of travelling on the motorways at around 55 miles per hour (mph) and being passed by vehicles towing caravans and trailers.
Also I am overtaken by huge trucks.
I have always understood that vehicls towing caravans or trailers were suposed to have a speed limit of 60 mph. Why is this not enforced?

I was in front of the caravan towing vehicle doing 50 mph and the vehicle didnt crash into me so it wasnt exess speed people could of lost there lives and there was children in that vehicle so before people start to judge get your facts right first. that was my family involved in that incident. my father has been driving for over fifty years without any accidents so please before people comment think we are all not lunatic speeding drivers

@Redbike
That was my family in that car, I pray to god you never witness such a horiffic scene - i'm sure if you did you would change your view.
You obviously have no repect for the injured and the others involved. I would therefore appriciate it if you would keep your inconsiderate, insensitive comments to yourself.

pdb951 wrote:
I am sick and tired of travelling on the motorways at around 55 miles per hour (mph) and being passed by vehicles towing caravans and trailers.
Also I am overtaken by huge trucks.
I have always understood that vehicls towing caravans or trailers were suposed to have a speed limit of 60 mph. Why is this not enforced?

YOU sir are the reason for a hell of a lot of the problems on our roads and you don't even realise it!! You say that you understand that cars with trailers can go 60mph and you're whinging because they pass you doing 55mph, do the maths mate, they would pass you doing 57-58 yet still be perfectly legal.
Back to the reason of why YOU are the problem, I am a driver of one of those huge trucks, now I'm not sure if you know but all HGV's are restricted to 56mph, when fully laden it takes a hell of a lot to get up to speed (which btw is not fast at all) now when I get to that speed I want to try and maintain that on the motorway, that is until YOU (probably skulking in the middle lane when there is nothing on the inside lane!) get in the way doing only 55mph, this FORCES me to over take you IF you are in the inside lane and this disrupts the traffic coming up behind whichever lane they are in causing people to break or maybe speed up and also to over take me because I can only do 56mph and there you are doing 55mph so this my friend is going to take about 5-10 miles to just get past you!!! so you see sir you can do your bit by not being a big jessy and driving carefully at maybe 60-65 mph and then maybe just maybe you won't be in trucks or caravanners way and do us all a favour!!

'H' wrote:

pdb951 wrote:
I am sick and tired of travelling on the motorways at around 55 miles per hour (mph) and being passed by vehicles towing caravans and trailers.
Also I am overtaken by huge trucks.
I have always understood that vehicls towing caravans or trailers were suposed to have a speed limit of 60 mph. Why is this not enforced?

YOU sir are the reason for a hell of a lot of the problems on our roads and you don't even realise it!! You say that you understand that cars with trailers can go 60mph and you're whinging because they pass you doing 55mph, do the maths mate, they would pass you doing 57-58 yet still be perfectly legal.
Back to the reason of why YOU are the problem, I am a driver of one of those huge trucks, now I'm not sure if you know but all HGV's are restricted to 56mph, when fully laden it takes a hell of a lot to get up to speed (which btw is not fast at all) now when I get to that speed I want to try and maintain that on the motorway, that is until YOU (probably skulking in the middle lane when there is nothing on the inside lane!) get in the way doing only 55mph, this FORCES me to over take you IF you are in the inside lane and this disrupts the traffic coming up behind whichever lane they are in causing people to break or maybe speed up and also to over take me because I can only do 56mph and there you are doing 55mph so this my friend is going to take about 5-10 miles to just get past you!!! so you see sir you can do your bit by not being a big jessy and driving carefully at maybe 60-65 mph and then maybe just maybe you won't be in trucks or caravanners way and do us all a favour!!

Well said. If people dont want to drive at motorway speeds they should stick to the A and B roads

'H' wrote:

pdb951 wrote:
I am sick and tired of travelling on the motorways at around 55 miles per hour (mph) and being passed by vehicles towing caravans and trailers.
Also I am overtaken by huge trucks.
I have always understood that vehicls towing caravans or trailers were suposed to have a speed limit of 60 mph. Why is this not enforced?

YOU sir are the reason for a hell of a lot of the problems on our roads and you don't even realise it!! You say that you understand that cars with trailers can go 60mph and you're whinging because they pass you doing 55mph, do the maths mate, they would pass you doing 57-58 yet still be perfectly legal.
Back to the reason of why YOU are the problem, I am a driver of one of those huge trucks, now I'm not sure if you know but all HGV's are restricted to 56mph, when fully laden it takes a hell of a lot to get up to speed (which btw is not fast at all) now when I get to that speed I want to try and maintain that on the motorway, that is until YOU (probably skulking in the middle lane when there is nothing on the inside lane!) get in the way doing only 55mph, this FORCES me to over take you IF you are in the inside lane and this disrupts the traffic coming up behind whichever lane they are in causing people to break or maybe speed up and also to over take me because I can only do 56mph and there you are doing 55mph so this my friend is going to take about 5-10 miles to just get past you!!! so you see sir you can do your bit by not being a big jessy and driving carefully at maybe 60-65 mph and then maybe just maybe you won't be in trucks or caravanners way and do us all a favour!!

Just tell me one thing,why do truckers who are limited to 56 miles an hour try and overtake one another thus blocking two lanes? Is it a game you play?

Yeah it's to annoy all you car drivers pal, us truckers have nothing better to do. The fact is mate we are all trying to get somewhere, if another trucker wants to over take he's well within his rights to do so, some trucks are quicker on the up take due to the load they are carrying or are simply more powerful as in some cases with cars. Some wagons are restricted to 50 mph (see sainsbury's wagons) Just be glad you we aren't in the days of wagons being able to use ALL 3 lanes, you car drivers are never happy!! there's one there all to yourself and you still whinge when a truck has to over take another, just put your foot down and over take!! Potentially it can take a wagon several miles to get up to speed and a car a hundred yards if that!! If people drove a wagon for one day they may appreciate how hard the job is and how difficult car drivers make it some times, I carry 44tonnes and one lapse of concentration on sudden brake and the consequences are catostrophic so next time you're on the motorway just take a moment when you get annoyed with a trucker, get in the outside lane put your foot down and get on with your day, that's all we are trying to do

'H' wrote:
Yeah it's to annoy all you car drivers pal, us truckers have nothing better to do. The fact is mate we are all trying to get somewhere, if another trucker wants to over take he's well within his rights to do so, some trucks are quicker on the up take due to the load they are carrying or are simply more powerful as in some cases with cars. Some wagons are restricted to 50 mph (see sainsbury's wagons) Just be glad you we aren't in the days of wagons being able to use ALL 3 lanes, you car drivers are never happy!! there's one there all to yourself and you still whinge when a truck has to over take another, just put your foot down and over take!! Potentially it can take a wagon several miles to get up to speed and a car a hundred yards if that!! If people drove a wagon for one day they may appreciate how hard the job is and how difficult car drivers make it some times, I carry 44tonnes and one lapse of concentration on sudden brake and the consequences are catostrophic so next time you're on the motorway just take a moment when you get annoyed with a trucker, get in the outside lane put your foot down and get on with your day, that's all we are trying to do

Understood and thanks for your input as for the idiot driving at 55 on a motorway I feel he should hand his licence back in and do us all a favour respects Michael

You lot are a discrace.
This was an accident, and fortunately no one got seriously injured.
As for driving at 55, that's fine by me, and all you who think that 55 drivers should stay off motorways are cretins. For cars there is a 70 limit in the motorway. That's LIMIT. Not what speed you must drive at.
If as a truck or other driver, that puts pressure on your time, then look at why you are in such a rush, and address that issue, don't blame a legal driver.

No C Parker wrote:
You lot are a discrace.
This was an accident, and fortunately no one got seriously injured.
As for driving at 55, that's fine by me, and all you who think that 55 drivers should stay off motorways are cretins. For cars there is a 70 limit in the motorway. That's LIMIT. Not what speed you must drive at.
If as a truck or other driver, that puts pressure on your time, then look at why you are in such a rush, and address that issue, don't blame a legal driver.

The truth is people like you are the cause of a huge amount of accidents if you can't drive at the correct speed truly hand your licence back in as you are the person causing huge tailbacks and people having to take risks to get past you.

bmca4916 wrote:
The best thing to do with caravans is to have one big demolition of the b,,,,,,,,, lot of them the p,,,,, that drive them morons just rent a room u just ruin everybody else drives

As for Caravans they should be road taxed at a massive rate a Z rating and only allowed on the roads from 1am to 5am. Best thing is talk to any caravan owner and they love the fact they cause chaos they even brag about it.

"H" - spectacular posts .

One of my mates is a lorry driver .

He regularly takes an artic on the M6 .
His pet hates ?

1 - caravan drivers .
They seem to fall into two categories .

- those who drive at low speeds , in the middle lane of course .
- those who drive at high speeds , in the slow lane - but who swerve out to pass HGV's .

2 - idiots who drive in the middle lane .
Who never pull in .
Usually fat women or old blokes .

He drives a massive Scania - and as
you say - you need to think ahead for miles , especially going over Shap .

I have been on the run with him a coupla times , just because I had nowt better to do .

Wow - what an eye opener !!

So - everyone , what thoughts on this...

Driving along and we were passed by a Fire Engine . Doing around 70-75 .
He was in the middle lane .
Full lights and sirens - overtaking us .

Yes - the BMW's were rocketing past the Fire Engine in the fast lane .

Thankfully there were no caravans about .

It would seem that all of you 'exprienced motorway' drivers have failed to notice that this accident did not take place on the motorway which ends at Edenfield. The road at this point is an A road and furthermore part of it is restricted to 50mph although it does not seem to make any difference to most lorry and car drivers using it. Tolerance,commonsens
e and
consideration for all classes of road users by all of us would make us all much safer on the roads AND I would point out that all caravanners pay road tax just the same as other road users and whist there are good and bad caravan drivers there are also lo good lorry drivers and a lot of
**** bad ones.

bmca4916 wrote:
The best thing to do with caravans is to have one big demolition of the b,,,,,,,,, lot of them the p,,,,, that drive them morons just rent a room u just ruin everybody else drives

Well we could say the same about drivers of all ages young are old. But as for being morons that just rent a room and ruin everybodies drives well you obviously have lack of the english language SWEARING very big and very clever NOT. Please do not complain of something you clearly no nothing about, and if caravan users ruin your life on the road then maybe you should stay off it. This is from someone whose been driving 25years plus clean licence and no points can everyone else say the same?

i am a hgv driver a motorcyclist i,ve been a driver towing a caravan and currently a car driver a clean licence and been driving 33 years but the state of certain drivers beggers belief.
car drivers hogging middle lanes doing 50 mph making us lorry drivers under take which is illegal but flashing headlights or sounding the horn doesn't seem to work.Joining the motorway on slip roads and not picking up speed making lorries either to brake or move into centre lane and then speeding up ,not observing.the amount of drivers using mobile phones travelling in excess of the speed limit . yes i agree certain drivers whatever have problems even lorry drivers are not whiter than white they make speed limits for a reason abide by them and deaths will greatly be reduced and as for the caravan driver who had the accident hope you and your family are ok .

'H' wrote:

pdb951 wrote:
I am sick and tired of travelling on the motorways at around 55 miles per hour (mph) and being passed by vehicles towing caravans and trailers.
Also I am overtaken by huge trucks.
I have always understood that vehicls towing caravans or trailers were suposed to have a speed limit of 60 mph. Why is this not enforced?

YOU sir are the reason for a hell of a lot of the problems on our roads and you don't even realise it!! You say that you understand that cars with trailers can go 60mph and you're whinging because they pass you doing 55mph, do the maths mate, they would pass you doing 57-58 yet still be perfectly legal.
Back to the reason of why YOU are the problem, I am a driver of one of those huge trucks, now I'm not sure if you know but all HGV's are restricted to 56mph, when fully laden it takes a hell of a lot to get up to speed (which btw is not fast at all) now when I get to that speed I want to try and maintain that on the motorway, that is until YOU (probably skulking in the middle lane when there is nothing on the inside lane!) get in the way doing only 55mph, this FORCES me to over take you IF you are in the inside lane and this disrupts the traffic coming up behind whichever lane they are in causing people to break or maybe speed up and also to over take me because I can only do 56mph and there you are doing 55mph so this my friend is going to take about 5-10 miles to just get past you!!! so you see sir you can do your bit by not being a big jessy and driving carefully at maybe 60-65 mph and then maybe just maybe you won't be in trucks or caravanners way and do us all a favour!!

Well said mate. Im a bus driver, same thing we are governed to 59 mph. My parents tow a caravan, they stick to the speed limits and do not hold big vehicles up. Their caravan is their second home so why destroy it by driving silly. You come accross a moron who goes on a motorway and drives at 40-50 mph you have no option but overtake. Hope the family are ok and does not put them off towing a caravan again.

if we cleared all caravanner off the road we could achieve a double caravanner's off the road AND GIPPO'S :lol:

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:

No C Parker wrote:
You lot are a discrace.
This was an accident, and fortunately no one got seriously injured.
As for driving at 55, that's fine by me, and all you who think that 55 drivers should stay off motorways are cretins. For cars there is a 70 limit in the motorway. That's LIMIT. Not what speed you must drive at.
If as a truck or other driver, that puts pressure on your time, then look at why you are in such a rush, and address that issue, don't blame a legal driver.

The truth is people like you are the cause of a huge amount of accidents if you can't drive at the correct speed truly hand your licence back in as you are the person causing huge tailbacks and people having to take risks to get past you.

Whar are people like me, I have never commented on my own driving, just stated that we should be tollerant to what ever speed people drive at, so long as they are in the correct lane, and not breaking the law.
"Driving at the correct speed", what would that be in your eyes, in mine it is up to 70mph on a motorway for a car. That doesn't mean you have to drive at that speed.
Also this should not cause tailbacks. Have you not noticed that in heavy traffic where there are variable speed limits they lower the speed to keep things moving.
I have simply quoted how the highway code determines how we should drive, you however obviously know far more than the highway code, and know what is right!

'H' wrote:
Yeah it's to annoy all you car drivers pal, us truckers have nothing better to do. The fact is mate we are all trying to get somewhere, if another trucker wants to over take he's well within his rights to do so, some trucks are quicker on the up take due to the load they are carrying or are simply more powerful as in some cases with cars. Some wagons are restricted to 50 mph (see sainsbury's wagons) Just be glad you we aren't in the days of wagons being able to use ALL 3 lanes, you car drivers are never happy!! there's one there all to yourself and you still whinge when a truck has to over take another, just put your foot down and over take!! Potentially it can take a wagon several miles to get up to speed and a car a hundred yards if that!! If people drove a wagon for one day they may appreciate how hard the job is and how difficult car drivers make it some times, I carry 44tonnes and one lapse of concentration on sudden brake and the consequences are catostrophic so next time you're on the motorway just take a moment when you get annoyed with a trucker, get in the outside lane put your foot down and get on with your day, that's all we are trying to do

how many trucker do we see using phones while drinking coffee and you talk about one lapslust coz you work on the road don't meen you own it.

Jools1968 must be a caravaner and I have more than25yrs driving all can of vehicles and no claim bonus as well so I do know what I'm talking about and they sould ban caravans ps I don't want people to get injured in any way

There's good and bad in young and old drivers,car,trucks,c
aravans,whatever they drive on motorways or roads,my dad used to say your better getting there late than not at all.im sure people don't go out to cause accidents they happen because of there stupidity,I've been driving 24yrs and been run into 3 times because other drivers haven't been looking or concentrating on what there doing,I hate motorway drivers so I don't go on them if I can help it,(not all think they have a free run )now they have hidden cameras on them idiot drivers want to look out,sensible ones will be fine.

OSTING wrote:

'H' wrote:
Yeah it's to annoy all you car drivers pal, us truckers have nothing better to do. The fact is mate we are all trying to get somewhere, if another trucker wants to over take he's well within his rights to do so, some trucks are quicker on the up take due to the load they are carrying or are simply more powerful as in some cases with cars. Some wagons are restricted to 50 mph (see sainsbury's wagons) Just be glad you we aren't in the days of wagons being able to use ALL 3 lanes, you car drivers are never happy!! there's one there all to yourself and you still whinge when a truck has to over take another, just put your foot down and over take!! Potentially it can take a wagon several miles to get up to speed and a car a hundred yards if that!! If people drove a wagon for one day they may appreciate how hard the job is and how difficult car drivers make it some times, I carry 44tonnes and one lapse of concentration on sudden brake and the consequences are catostrophic so next time you're on the motorway just take a moment when you get annoyed with a trucker, get in the outside lane put your foot down and get on with your day, that's all we are trying to do

how many trucker do we see using phones while drinking coffee and you talk about one lapslust coz you work on the road don't meen you own it.

OSTING- 1st of all mate, I NEVER use my phone whilst driving, I can't speak for others but this is not a truckers only thing, car drivers are as bad if not worse as I am on the road a lot of the time and I see more car drivers than truckers braking the law and driving dangerously. and dya know what mate, if i want to have a drink of a brew I WILL!! its digusting that you are considered to be breaking the law by having a drink or a bite of a chocolate bar!! Its not like im making the bloody thing whilst driving along. like i said before, I drive 44tonnes of metal and I never forget that, I've been driving for 18 years and my licence is as clean as a whistle and there's a reason for that, I was trained in the army and had extensive training which includes reading the road ahead and also behind which civilian drivers could do with a bit of then they may actually see the dangers on the road before it's too late. And I do not think that I own the road, and to be honest your comment on here doesnt make any sense at all mate????

theboxman wrote:
It would seem that all of you 'exprienced motorway' drivers have failed to notice that this accident did not take place on the motorway which ends at Edenfield. The road at this point is an A road and furthermore part of it is restricted to 50mph although it does not seem to make any difference to most lorry and car drivers using it. Tolerance,commonsens

e and
consideration for all classes of road users by all of us would make us all much safer on the roads AND I would point out that all caravanners pay road tax just the same as other road users and whist there are good and bad caravan drivers there are also lo good lorry drivers and a lot of
**** bad ones.

I have not failed to notice this fact, if you read the initial comment posted he states that he is sick of trucks and caravans passing him on the MOTORWAY

jools1968 wrote:

pdb951 wrote:
I am sick and tired of travelling on the motorways at around 55 miles per hour (mph) and being passed by vehicles towing caravans and trailers.
Also I am overtaken by huge trucks.
I have always understood that vehicls towing caravans or trailers were suposed to have a speed limit of 60 mph. Why is this not enforced?

I was in front of the caravan towing vehicle doing 50 mph and the vehicle didnt crash into me so it wasnt exess speed people could of lost there lives and there was children in that vehicle so before people start to judge get your facts right first. that was my family involved in that incident. my father has been driving for over fifty years without any accidents so please before people comment think we are all not lunatic speeding drivers

Did I say that in this incident anyone was speeding? Who has their facts right?

EmJayne wrote:
@Redbike
That was my family in that car, I pray to god you never witness such a horiffic scene - i'm sure if you did you would change your view.
You obviously have no repect for the injured and the others involved. I would therefore appriciate it if you would keep your inconsiderate, insensitive comments to yourself.

If you dont want hear comments good or bad (in your perception) don't go on this web site

'H' wrote:

pdb951 wrote:
I am sick and tired of travelling on the motorways at around 55 miles per hour (mph) and being passed by vehicles towing caravans and trailers.
Also I am overtaken by huge trucks.
I have always understood that vehicls towing caravans or trailers were suposed to have a speed limit of 60 mph. Why is this not enforced?

YOU sir are the reason for a hell of a lot of the problems on our roads and you don't even realise it!! You say that you understand that cars with trailers can go 60mph and you're whinging because they pass you doing 55mph, do the maths mate, they would pass you doing 57-58 yet still be perfectly legal.
Back to the reason of why YOU are the problem, I am a driver of one of those huge trucks, now I'm not sure if you know but all HGV's are restricted to 56mph, when fully laden it takes a hell of a lot to get up to speed (which btw is not fast at all) now when I get to that speed I want to try and maintain that on the motorway, that is until YOU (probably skulking in the middle lane when there is nothing on the inside lane!) get in the way doing only 55mph, this FORCES me to over take you IF you are in the inside lane and this disrupts the traffic coming up behind whichever lane they are in causing people to break or maybe speed up and also to over take me because I can only do 56mph and there you are doing 55mph so this my friend is going to take about 5-10 miles to just get past you!!! so you see sir you can do your bit by not being a big jessy and driving carefully at maybe 60-65 mph and then maybe just maybe you won't be in trucks or caravanners way and do us all a favour!!

Firstly I was being kind with my speed limits. I fequently travel 60- 65 -70mph not just 55. I am passedc by the same vehicles frequently in excess of 65 never mind 55mph. There appear to be very few HGV's showing evidence of the 56mph restrictions so to suggest they do 56mph is rubbish! I am am not one of those selfish idiots who sit in the middle or the fast lane. I use these for overtaking. Not like the HGV's going on the M62 at Milnrow who cannot possibly ovetake each other, who sit in three lanes at the same speed holding up the rest of the motorway. You obviously like to make things up. I do not! I would like to see the day when HGV's obeyed the law and were all made to do 56mph maximum.

pdb951 wrote:
I am sick and tired of travelling on the motorways at around 55 miles per hour (mph) and being passed by vehicles towing caravans and trailers.
Also I am overtaken by huge trucks.
I have always understood that vehicls towing caravans or trailers were suposed to have a speed limit of 60 mph. Why is this not enforced?

P.S I did not say I only drive at 55mph. Ever heard of heavy traffic?
As for the notion that I am a middle lane driver, where the hell did that come from?
I spend a lot of time motorway driving often in rush hour traffic. It is not uncommon to find youself boxed in the left lane boxed in by HGV's who ARE doing in excess of 60mph without question often up hill, so how can they be governd to 56 mph. How do I know? I have a speedometer. It doesn't just read up to 55!

Lets get it right HGVs are governed to 56 mph some at 52 but if you look closely at the HGVs registration plate the vehicle that is breaking this speed limit are the foreign truckers or those travelling down hill fully laden and letting his vehicle overspeed.
As regard to single carriageways these vehicles are supposed to travel at 40mph on duel carriageway at 50 mph with central reservation. Car drivers need to recognise this before getting irriatable and tail gating.

robbierocks wrote:
Lets get it right HGVs are governed to 56 mph some at 52 but if you look closely at the HGVs registration plate the vehicle that is breaking this speed limit are the foreign truckers or those travelling down hill fully laden and letting his vehicle overspeed.
As regard to single carriageways these vehicles are supposed to travel at 40mph on duel carriageway at 50 mph with central reservation. Car drivers need to recognise this before getting irriatable and tail gating.

This cannot be true in practice as those passing me at speeds above the limit are often Uk registered and well known names in some cases