Bacup buildings named in £2m lottery facelift

First published in News by , Reporter

BACUP’S Lancashire and Yorkshire Bank, the Pioneer Buildings, the REAL Building, and St James’ Square roundabout are at the top of the council’s list for improvements, it has been announced.

Shops numbered 3 - 33 in the square are also considered as priorities for works to be financed following a successful bid for £2million of Heritage Lottery Fund cash.

However, in order for the frontages to receive the improvements, the council need the owners of the buildings to agree to put up 10 per cent of the money of each individual project, with the grant paying for the rest.

David Presto, economic development manager at Rossendale Council, said: “We have drawn up a critical, priority, and reserve list of buildings for the funds.

“If landlords come forward and sign up then their improvements will go forward.

“We’ve got a design specification in terms of a conservation standard and a detailed specification of what we are expecting from our partner, Barnfield Construction.

“We’ve told them we are expecting a high quality approach.

“A surveyor and architect will price up the work on behalf of the owner, and we will approach the owner with our suggestions. This will cost the owner nothing.

“Then all they have to do is agree to pay 10 per cent and we will do the rest.

“Because it’s in the conservation area, it’s about restoring the architectural features of the building while keeping their unique, often Tudor, design.”

The council is planning to carry out the works in blocks of four or five, to avoid excessive disruption.

Internal works can be carried out on empty buildings, but the project will mainly focus on frontages.

The council is also looking at pedestrianising St James’ Square.

Mr Presto said: “We’re looking at changing the layout of the roundabout.

“At the moment, it’s very difficult to tell whose right of way it is, and we’d like to change that.

“We’d also like to carry out public realm improvements, by putting in benches and greenery.

“The Heritage Lottery Fund won’t finance that, but we would like to do it.”

Any property owners in St James’ Square who are interested in preliminary discussions with the council, should call Mr Presto on 01706 252477.

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8:10pm Sat 18 Jan 14

her from here says...

I thought the Mechanic's Hall would be at the top of the list Good Luck to them anyway
I thought the Mechanic's Hall would be at the top of the list Good Luck to them anyway her from here
  • Score: 4

11:23pm Sat 18 Jan 14

2 for 5p ridesagain says...

The lottery money being used to do up the frontage of private businesses. You couldn't make it up.
The lottery money being used to do up the frontage of private businesses. You couldn't make it up. 2 for 5p ridesagain
  • Score: 4

12:44am Sun 19 Jan 14

AnimalReid says...

Money well spent.
...
The ecomic and conservation aguments for this type of work are compelling and - personally I think will help to reinvigorate local business massively.
Money well spent. ... The ecomic and conservation aguments for this type of work are compelling and - personally I think will help to reinvigorate local business massively. AnimalReid
  • Score: 3

1:40am Sun 19 Jan 14

her from here says...

I thought that the council were having nothing to do with this it seems they've already made up a list, surely the people of Bacup should do that , If your not careful you will lose control of that money and it will be council run Keep them out of it and you could achieve something really special.
I thought that the council were having nothing to do with this it seems they've already made up a list, surely the people of Bacup should do that , If your not careful you will lose control of that money and it will be council run Keep them out of it and you could achieve something really special. her from here
  • Score: 5

2:35am Sun 19 Jan 14

rumblesteveskin says...

Barnfield again???

Seems like they have all the councils in East Lancs in their pockets.

No one trusts them in Burnley and Pendle.
Barnfield again??? Seems like they have all the councils in East Lancs in their pockets. No one trusts them in Burnley and Pendle. rumblesteveskin
  • Score: 15

8:44am Sun 19 Jan 14

GAC says...

so what will mysay.com say now after stating the council had nothing to do with this. seems so far they have drawn up the list of buildings and picked the contractors. ie barnfield AGAIN.

whats wrong with using local firms and keeping the money in rossendale for a change.
so what will mysay.com say now after stating the council had nothing to do with this. seems so far they have drawn up the list of buildings and picked the contractors. ie barnfield AGAIN. whats wrong with using local firms and keeping the money in rossendale for a change. GAC
  • Score: 13

12:02pm Sun 19 Jan 14

ToddleOn says...

It's quite odd to see the numbers for 3-33 on St James's square,as far as I am aware they do not exist, so which buildings are being done up?
It's quite odd to see the numbers for 3-33 on St James's square,as far as I am aware they do not exist, so which buildings are being done up? ToddleOn
  • Score: 5

1:16pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

GAC wrote:
so what will mysay.com say now after stating the council had nothing to do with this. seems so far they have drawn up the list of buildings and picked the contractors. ie barnfield AGAIN.

whats wrong with using local firms and keeping the money in rossendale for a change.
Yes, what has happened to MySay?? The THI gang are just used as a front so that the Labour council can grab the cash. Interesting that one of the tenants of the Pioneers building is Dansworks, run by former Labour councillor Dale Connearn.
If the council wanted to stimulate trade in the town it coukd introduce rates-free periods for start-up firms.
[quote][p][bold]GAC[/bold] wrote: so what will mysay.com say now after stating the council had nothing to do with this. seems so far they have drawn up the list of buildings and picked the contractors. ie barnfield AGAIN. whats wrong with using local firms and keeping the money in rossendale for a change.[/p][/quote]Yes, what has happened to MySay?? The THI gang are just used as a front so that the Labour council can grab the cash. Interesting that one of the tenants of the Pioneers building is Dansworks, run by former Labour councillor Dale Connearn. If the council wanted to stimulate trade in the town it coukd introduce rates-free periods for start-up firms. Loving lances
  • Score: 10

5:08pm Sun 19 Jan 14

mysay.com says...

it would appear that I am called for, well since you have asked,...lol

I am in contact with councillors about this and many other matters, having read this article, I will be asking some very leading questions of these councillors, this article is (as far as I am led to believe) complete nonsense, the council have nothing to do with it, having said that, it may well be that the THI board have tasked the council to do a land registry search to identify the owners of the buildings....this would make sense as the THI board will not have the powers to carry out this search, I would also add, that one of the conditions of improvements being carried out on "occupied" premises, would be subject to a contribution form the owners/tenants, which again, may have been tasked to the council to inform them.....but as far as the council taking control......that is not the case, it is now and has always been the lottery controlled THI board who will be assessing this, monitoring it, and if the council do try to take over, it is my understanding that they will have to refund the grant.....but I will make further enquiries and hopefully be able to come back with further confirmation..
it would appear that I am called for, well since you have asked,...lol I am in contact with councillors about this and many other matters, having read this article, I will be asking some very leading questions of these councillors, this article is (as far as I am led to believe) complete nonsense, the council have nothing to do with it, having said that, it may well be that the THI board have tasked the council to do a land registry search to identify the owners of the buildings....this would make sense as the THI board will not have the powers to carry out this search, I would also add, that one of the conditions of improvements being carried out on "occupied" premises, would be subject to a contribution form the owners/tenants, which again, may have been tasked to the council to inform them.....but as far as the council taking control......that is not the case, it is now and has always been the lottery controlled THI board who will be assessing this, monitoring it, and if the council do try to take over, it is my understanding that they will have to refund the grant.....but I will make further enquiries and hopefully be able to come back with further confirmation.. mysay.com
  • Score: 1

7:16pm Sun 19 Jan 14

pdb951 says...

mysay.com wrote:
it would appear that I am called for, well since you have asked,...lol

I am in contact with councillors about this and many other matters, having read this article, I will be asking some very leading questions of these councillors, this article is (as far as I am led to believe) complete nonsense, the council have nothing to do with it, having said that, it may well be that the THI board have tasked the council to do a land registry search to identify the owners of the buildings....this would make sense as the THI board will not have the powers to carry out this search, I would also add, that one of the conditions of improvements being carried out on "occupied" premises, would be subject to a contribution form the owners/tenants, which again, may have been tasked to the council to inform them.....but as far as the council taking control......that is not the case, it is now and has always been the lottery controlled THI board who will be assessing this, monitoring it, and if the council do try to take over, it is my understanding that they will have to refund the grant.....but I will make further enquiries and hopefully be able to come back with further confirmation..
Who is telling lies then?
[quote][p][bold]mysay.com[/bold] wrote: it would appear that I am called for, well since you have asked,...lol I am in contact with councillors about this and many other matters, having read this article, I will be asking some very leading questions of these councillors, this article is (as far as I am led to believe) complete nonsense, the council have nothing to do with it, having said that, it may well be that the THI board have tasked the council to do a land registry search to identify the owners of the buildings....this would make sense as the THI board will not have the powers to carry out this search, I would also add, that one of the conditions of improvements being carried out on "occupied" premises, would be subject to a contribution form the owners/tenants, which again, may have been tasked to the council to inform them.....but as far as the council taking control......that is not the case, it is now and has always been the lottery controlled THI board who will be assessing this, monitoring it, and if the council do try to take over, it is my understanding that they will have to refund the grant.....but I will make further enquiries and hopefully be able to come back with further confirmation..[/p][/quote]Who is telling lies then? pdb951
  • Score: 2

7:28pm Sun 19 Jan 14

GAC says...

thanks for the answers mysay.com, but as others have said it seems to be the same old faces coming out of the wood work being involved.

if the council have nothing to do with it id love to know why barnfields are being listed as the contractor as the moneys only just hit. talk about spending it fast.

and if this was a thi decision why not let any local firms bid for jobs ? as after all this money should trickle down and stay within the valley rather than get moved around to other towns.
thanks for the answers mysay.com, but as others have said it seems to be the same old faces coming out of the wood work being involved. if the council have nothing to do with it id love to know why barnfields are being listed as the contractor as the moneys only just hit. talk about spending it fast. and if this was a thi decision why not let any local firms bid for jobs ? as after all this money should trickle down and stay within the valley rather than get moved around to other towns. GAC
  • Score: 6

9:56pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Icy1975 says...

Because councils use very cost effective contractors don't they, looks like (and I am happy to be proved wrong) the council have seen a chance to make a quick buck to help balance the books, creaming off more money than it should to do the same work an independent contractor would, surely there are many local contractors who could perform this work at a fraction of the cost.

This is absolutely disgusting and appears to be a pure sham, I haven't seen anywhere that a condition of gaining the THI is building owners stump up or is this a condition that (obviously councils would never have vested interests or be corrupt) our fantastic authority have come up with, I can see this potentially being counter productive
Because councils use very cost effective contractors don't they, looks like (and I am happy to be proved wrong) the council have seen a chance to make a quick buck to help balance the books, creaming off more money than it should to do the same work an independent contractor would, surely there are many local contractors who could perform this work at a fraction of the cost. This is absolutely disgusting and appears to be a pure sham, I haven't seen anywhere that a condition of gaining the THI is building owners stump up or is this a condition that (obviously councils would never have vested interests or be corrupt) our fantastic authority have come up with, I can see this potentially being counter productive Icy1975
  • Score: 6

11:32pm Sun 19 Jan 14

her from here says...

Rossendale Borough council should step back and let the people of Bacup get on with it. RBC COULDN'T RUN A TAP.LOOK AT THE STATE OF RAWTENSTALL
Rossendale Borough council should step back and let the people of Bacup get on with it. RBC COULDN'T RUN A TAP.LOOK AT THE STATE OF RAWTENSTALL her from here
  • Score: 7

12:41am Mon 20 Jan 14

mysay.com says...

why barnfield have been named as a contractor is one of the lquestions which will be asked, I totally agree with your comments that it should be local people local contractors and local jobs as the first report on LET stated, barnfield is based in nelson, good or bad is irrelevant, they may have a contract with the council or with greenvale homes AKA together housing, but I for one fail to see how that has anything to do with this as this is NOT a council funded project, nor is it supposed to be a council run initiative.

if this article bears any truth, then the council will have just put two fingers up at all the community groups who were involved in this bid, the traders group, the residents group, the national history museum, the REAL centre and they will never have any support from any of these groups again, a huge mistake on the part of the council which would undoubtedly lead to a huge loss of votes come election time, not only from the members of these groups, but also from the people of bacup.

SO who is lying, I really hope that it is merely a case of incorrect reporting or serious misquoting.
why barnfield have been named as a contractor is one of the lquestions which will be asked, I totally agree with your comments that it should be local people local contractors and local jobs as the first report on LET stated, barnfield is based in nelson, good or bad is irrelevant, they may have a contract with the council or with greenvale homes AKA together housing, but I for one fail to see how that has anything to do with this as this is NOT a council funded project, nor is it supposed to be a council run initiative. if this article bears any truth, then the council will have just put two fingers up at all the community groups who were involved in this bid, the traders group, the residents group, the national history museum, the REAL centre and they will never have any support from any of these groups again, a huge mistake on the part of the council which would undoubtedly lead to a huge loss of votes come election time, not only from the members of these groups, but also from the people of bacup. SO who is lying, I really hope that it is merely a case of incorrect reporting or serious misquoting. mysay.com
  • Score: 6

5:00am Mon 20 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

See the Rossendale Free Press article which says that Councillor Andy McNae led the project.
See the Rossendale Free Press article which says that Councillor Andy McNae led the project. Loving lances
  • Score: 7

5:15am Mon 20 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

Just remember all the promises that Labour councillors made about saving Bacup baths. That was two fingers to local residents but voters still carry on
supporting the same old councillors. Why couldn't THI be done without RBC.
Mysay.com says that groups such as REAL would not trust the council
again. For his information, REAL is led by Labour stalwart Hazel
Harding who resigned from the East Lancashire Hospitals Trust after it was put into special measures. She could not run
a jumble sale but she is one of the same old faces who have run Bacup
down.
This is a scandal but don't expect voters to change anything. Haslingden folk
will still vote for the Labour councillors who closed their baths.
Just remember all the promises that Labour councillors made about saving Bacup baths. That was two fingers to local residents but voters still carry on supporting the same old councillors. Why couldn't THI be done without RBC. Mysay.com says that groups such as REAL would not trust the council again. For his information, REAL is led by Labour stalwart Hazel Harding who resigned from the East Lancashire Hospitals Trust after it was put into special measures. She could not run a jumble sale but she is one of the same old faces who have run Bacup down. This is a scandal but don't expect voters to change anything. Haslingden folk will still vote for the Labour councillors who closed their baths. Loving lances
  • Score: 6

7:47am Mon 20 Jan 14

mysay.com says...

To be fair, Andy mcnae is the chair of the THI board and he is very passionate about regenerating bacup, he was nominated as chair in order to gather the group and lead it forward, but it is my understanding that although he is a councillor, this was not the reason for him being the chair, it was simply for motivation and to represent the council on the board as he is the portfolio holder for regeneration.

I don't want to get into politics about it, nor do I want to start pointing blue versus red, we all have our own views, mine is not colour based, it is based on experienced, but lest face it, the financial side of things started going down hill with no change to recover when Great Britain was sold of to the highest bidder, british coal, british rail, british gas, british telecom, hence the creation of the originally named poll tax, so not only did we lose the income which was ours, but we then had to pay for it on an annual basis, and lets be honest about it, this was not done by labour.

Real has just relocated out of bacup into haslingden and Pat, one of its hard working and enthusiastic members has been laid off due to lack of funding.

But this is not about history or personal opinions, this is about here and now and about Bacup, and what I am saying is that the groups have come together to put in for this grant and will be put off doing that again if this goes wrong or gets railroaded by the council.
To be fair, Andy mcnae is the chair of the THI board and he is very passionate about regenerating bacup, he was nominated as chair in order to gather the group and lead it forward, but it is my understanding that although he is a councillor, this was not the reason for him being the chair, it was simply for motivation and to represent the council on the board as he is the portfolio holder for regeneration. I don't want to get into politics about it, nor do I want to start pointing blue versus red, we all have our own views, mine is not colour based, it is based on experienced, but lest face it, the financial side of things started going down hill with no change to recover when Great Britain was sold of to the highest bidder, british coal, british rail, british gas, british telecom, hence the creation of the originally named poll tax, so not only did we lose the income which was ours, but we then had to pay for it on an annual basis, and lets be honest about it, this was not done by labour. Real has just relocated out of bacup into haslingden and Pat, one of its hard working and enthusiastic members has been laid off due to lack of funding. But this is not about history or personal opinions, this is about here and now and about Bacup, and what I am saying is that the groups have come together to put in for this grant and will be put off doing that again if this goes wrong or gets railroaded by the council. mysay.com
  • Score: -2

10:24am Mon 20 Jan 14

GAC says...

ignoring the political rubbish for a moment, iv had a dig around online at the THI website, last updated march 2013, the twitter account last updated november 2013 and the facebook page, last updated feb 2013.

funny how theres no news on any of these about the funding being granted, the online site with news is the council one. talk about keeping everyone updated.

as for the political argument, rbc has been a labour mess for years and every year its the same thing, services being cut and people being let go and blaming everyone else apart from the idiots running it. the chief exec for eample is on more money than rochdales chief exec. last i read she was hitting nearly £140k inc pensions. basic was around £110k im sorry but why the hell are WE paying that for a chief exec that does sod all in a area that doesnt even need one to be honest. im sure someone will cry "but you need to pay the going rate" fine il do the job for £30k a year with no pension, and il get stuck in rather than playing the political game.
ignoring the political rubbish for a moment, iv had a dig around online at the THI website, last updated march 2013, the twitter account last updated november 2013 and the facebook page, last updated feb 2013. funny how theres no news on any of these about the funding being granted, the online site with news is the council one. talk about keeping everyone updated. as for the political argument, rbc has been a labour mess for years and every year its the same thing, services being cut and people being let go and blaming everyone else apart from the idiots running it. the chief exec for eample is on more money than rochdales chief exec. last i read she was hitting nearly £140k inc pensions. basic was around £110k im sorry but why the hell are WE paying that for a chief exec that does sod all in a area that doesnt even need one to be honest. im sure someone will cry "but you need to pay the going rate" fine il do the job for £30k a year with no pension, and il get stuck in rather than playing the political game. GAC
  • Score: 2

4:34pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

OK, let's establish some facts about the council's involvement and then the poliical side.

Fact 1: the THI newsletter number 1 and I have only seen one edition) dated December said the "the council and its partners" had been working on the bid since 2012. No local partners were listed, but as well as the council logo was one for the heritage Lottery Fund.
The newsletter had contact details for Rachel Fletcehr at the Regeneration team at Futures Park. I assime that this is a council staff position and I se that in 2011 she was litsed as working in planning. So there was already some spending in officer time and effort. Regeneration is part of Andy McNae's brief. As I said, no mention of any partners.

Now let's move forward to January 2014 and the celebration that there is matching funds for the money rasied involving grants from RBC and Lancashire County Council. The Free Press prinyted a photograph of smiling Bacup resients, standing outside Pioneer Buildngs. Letr's see who have we here. Well, there's Mr Presto from the planning office. Then there is the very modest Councillor McNae from Irwell Ward, Councillor Helen Jackson from Irwell Ward and Councillor Barbara Ashworth (yes, you guessed it!).
Then we have a real live businessman, just one mind you, a genuine Bacup entrepreneur, the man behind the Dansworks studio, ex-Labour councillor Dale Conneran.Now wouldn't it have been nice to have had a variety of traders posing in the picture rather than it being a photo opportunity to create a nice picture ready for the May elections?
If this is handled as well as the great blue lights in the sky over Haslingden, then Councillor McNae will be entitled to his own halo.
OK, let's establish some facts about the council's involvement and then the poliical side. Fact 1: the THI newsletter number 1 and I have only seen one edition) dated December said the "the council and its partners" had been working on the bid since 2012. No local partners were listed, but as well as the council logo was one for the heritage Lottery Fund. The newsletter had contact details for Rachel Fletcehr at the Regeneration team at Futures Park. I assime that this is a council staff position and I se that in 2011 she was litsed as working in planning. So there was already some spending in officer time and effort. Regeneration is part of Andy McNae's brief. As I said, no mention of any partners. Now let's move forward to January 2014 and the celebration that there is matching funds for the money rasied involving grants from RBC and Lancashire County Council. The Free Press prinyted a photograph of smiling Bacup resients, standing outside Pioneer Buildngs. Letr's see who have we here. Well, there's Mr Presto from the planning office. Then there is the very modest Councillor McNae from Irwell Ward, Councillor Helen Jackson from Irwell Ward and Councillor Barbara Ashworth (yes, you guessed it!). Then we have a real live businessman, just one mind you, a genuine Bacup entrepreneur, the man behind the Dansworks studio, ex-Labour councillor Dale Conneran.Now wouldn't it have been nice to have had a variety of traders posing in the picture rather than it being a photo opportunity to create a nice picture ready for the May elections? If this is handled as well as the great blue lights in the sky over Haslingden, then Councillor McNae will be entitled to his own halo. Loving lances
  • Score: 5

5:03pm Mon 20 Jan 14

rumblesteveskin says...

Tim Webber & Gareth Smith of Barnfirld often make deals with councils on a portfolia of projects, they'll do one at cost price if you give themanother 5 so it's my gues they are the council's 'preferred developer' for this project and the work was probably included in some type of tender deal made in a manner that will hold up to scrutiny but only just.
Tim Webber & Gareth Smith of Barnfirld often make deals with councils on a portfolia of projects, they'll do one at cost price if you give themanother 5 so it's my gues they are the council's 'preferred developer' for this project and the work was probably included in some type of tender deal made in a manner that will hold up to scrutiny but only just. rumblesteveskin
  • Score: 4

5:03pm Mon 20 Jan 14

rumblesteveskin says...

rumblesteveskin wrote:
Tim Webber & Gareth Smith of Barnfirld often make deals with councils on a portfolia of projects, they'll do one at cost price if you give themanother 5 so it's my gues they are the council's 'preferred developer' for this project and the work was probably included in some type of tender deal made in a manner that will hold up to scrutiny but only just.
or so I am told.
[quote][p][bold]rumblesteveskin[/bold] wrote: Tim Webber & Gareth Smith of Barnfirld often make deals with councils on a portfolia of projects, they'll do one at cost price if you give themanother 5 so it's my gues they are the council's 'preferred developer' for this project and the work was probably included in some type of tender deal made in a manner that will hold up to scrutiny but only just.[/p][/quote]or so I am told. rumblesteveskin
  • Score: 4

5:14pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

It would be interesting to hear what builders such as Brian Boys tjinks anout this. Or the dozens of local construction workers! Will the job be advertised in local job centres? I remember how very upset Brian Boyd was when the old Bacup was being converted to a children's centre.
Oh,one extra point. Also pictured in th Free Press photo last week was
Diane Van Ruitenbeek who works as a develpment consultant. Let's hope that all consultancy fees are kept in proportion.
It would be interesting to hear what builders such as Brian Boys tjinks anout this. Or the dozens of local construction workers! Will the job be advertised in local job centres? I remember how very upset Brian Boyd was when the old Bacup was being converted to a children's centre. Oh,one extra point. Also pictured in th Free Press photo last week was Diane Van Ruitenbeek who works as a develpment consultant. Let's hope that all consultancy fees are kept in proportion. Loving lances
  • Score: 6

1:06am Tue 21 Jan 14

mysay.com says...

well, to answer GAC on his political argument, you may have forgotten that labour only took control of RBC at the last elections, before that it was conservative controlled.

Anyway, It would be interesting to see what B&E boys have to say, since Peter Boys is listed in the list of consultants as a businessman.

I have started to make enquiries and am due to meet with Andy next week to discuss this matter and the concerns around it, but in the meantime, I am assured that one or more of the THI board will be in attendance at the traders AGM next week to answer some of those questions too.

I am with you on the concerns totally, and am more than a little concerned myself that the traders groups as well as many of the other community groups who were involved in this project are not mentioned as consultants.

as for the news being available online, bear in mind that the results have only just come out, so I am not surprised there.
well, to answer GAC on his political argument, you may have forgotten that labour only took control of RBC at the last elections, before that it was conservative controlled. Anyway, It would be interesting to see what B&E boys have to say, since Peter Boys is listed in the list of consultants as a businessman. I have started to make enquiries and am due to meet with Andy next week to discuss this matter and the concerns around it, but in the meantime, I am assured that one or more of the THI board will be in attendance at the traders AGM next week to answer some of those questions too. I am with you on the concerns totally, and am more than a little concerned myself that the traders groups as well as many of the other community groups who were involved in this project are not mentioned as consultants. as for the news being available online, bear in mind that the results have only just come out, so I am not surprised there. mysay.com
  • Score: 1

9:55am Tue 21 Jan 14

GAC says...

it's not just the news though mysay.com, some of the sites haven't been updated for nearly a year now which is just shocking.

as for the news just breaking its the internet, its not like they have to put it in print or anything. it could take someone a couple of mins to hit all 3 sites and update them but it seems that's too much for whoever is actually in control of them.
it's not just the news though mysay.com, some of the sites haven't been updated for nearly a year now which is just shocking. as for the news just breaking its the internet, its not like they have to put it in print or anything. it could take someone a couple of mins to hit all 3 sites and update them but it seems that's too much for whoever is actually in control of them. GAC
  • Score: 5

10:22am Tue 21 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

Now let's make fun of the council's THI project.
Let's just hope that Bacup folk are as happy as Haslingden residents are about the way that Andy McNae closed their baths, all to build a £2million tarmac square that is either used as a fairground, an ice rink, a beach or a skateboard areana. Oh, and chucking money at the halo lights, but hey it's your taxes and hey, they are going up again thanks to our councillors at Preston (yes, that's Andy, Sean, Alyson, Jackie and all the others who want to take our money and waste it. Thanks, guys.)
Now let's make fun of the council's THI project. Let's just hope that Bacup folk are as happy as Haslingden residents are about the way that Andy McNae closed their baths, all to build a £2million tarmac square that is either used as a fairground, an ice rink, a beach or a skateboard areana. Oh, and chucking money at the halo lights, but hey it's your taxes and hey, they are going up again thanks to our councillors at Preston (yes, that's Andy, Sean, Alyson, Jackie and all the others who want to take our money and waste it. Thanks, guys.) Loving lances
  • Score: 4

9:47pm Wed 22 Jan 14

vanlad says...

Why on these buildings, the pioneers is fine as it isLancashire and yorkshire bank has been empty for a while now. Who owns these buildings and why have they been singled out, who is profiting from this fiasco?? Certainly not Bacup, we didn't get a tree at Christmas and not much lighting, we lost our baths and other projects should be undertaken before spending money on buildings just for commercial gain.Think what Bacup residents really need instead of lining the pockets of the greedy....
Why on these buildings, the pioneers is fine as it isLancashire and yorkshire bank has been empty for a while now. Who owns these buildings and why have they been singled out, who is profiting from this fiasco?? Certainly not Bacup, we didn't get a tree at Christmas and not much lighting, we lost our baths and other projects should be undertaken before spending money on buildings just for commercial gain.Think what Bacup residents really need instead of lining the pockets of the greedy.... vanlad
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12:24am Thu 23 Jan 14

jaseslady66 says...

Perhaps mysay.com should ask Andy McNae if he could explain this.. February 2013, in this newspaper David Presto is qouted as saying. "Mr Presto said that 20 students should receive work placements during the course of the THI scheme, and six local contractors would receive professional development training. Another 40 are expected to receive work experience through valley firms, and 30 volunteers, recommended through Accrington and Rossendale College, would also benefit from on-the-job training." A few weeks later RBC applied to the Bacup Neighbourhood Fund for £50,000, to add to their match funding, this was money left over from the Big Ideas Fund, a result of selling off the Bacup Leisure Hall. The application at this point had changed slightly from Mr Presto previous news release, in that it now said 6 Local Contractors and 25 Employees. The application was successful and they were awarded the £50,000. Im quite intrested to know who these 6 Local Contractors are and who are these Valley Firms that will be providing the work experience? Considering the only Contractor mentioned has been Barnfield Construction.
Perhaps mysay.com should ask Andy McNae if he could explain this.. February 2013, in this newspaper David Presto is qouted as saying. "Mr Presto said that 20 students should receive work placements during the course of the THI scheme, and six local contractors would receive professional development training. Another 40 are expected to receive work experience through valley firms, and 30 volunteers, recommended through Accrington and Rossendale College, would also benefit from on-the-job training." A few weeks later RBC applied to the Bacup Neighbourhood Fund for £50,000, to add to their match funding, this was money left over from the Big Ideas Fund, a result of selling off the Bacup Leisure Hall. The application at this point had changed slightly from Mr Presto previous news release, in that it now said 6 Local Contractors and 25 Employees. The application was successful and they were awarded the £50,000. Im quite intrested to know who these 6 Local Contractors are and who are these Valley Firms that will be providing the work experience? Considering the only Contractor mentioned has been Barnfield Construction. jaseslady66
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7:39am Thu 23 Jan 14

mysay.com says...

very good points jasuslady, I will indeed take this question forward, there are many questions which need to be answered, thanks
very good points jasuslady, I will indeed take this question forward, there are many questions which need to be answered, thanks mysay.com
  • Score: 0

8:51am Thu 23 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

It seems that one of my comments in which I said that the project seemed to smell of rotten fish has been taken down. Somebody must be touchy! It's nit as though I was rude like the posts on the Blackburn Rovers page.
To be as diplomatic as possible, I will just say that not many ordinary residents are dancing in the street about this. And I will be watching to see if the photo of local councillors taken outside the Pioneers buildings is used for political purposes in May.
It seems that one of my comments in which I said that the project seemed to smell of rotten fish has been taken down. Somebody must be touchy! It's nit as though I was rude like the posts on the Blackburn Rovers page. To be as diplomatic as possible, I will just say that not many ordinary residents are dancing in the street about this. And I will be watching to see if the photo of local councillors taken outside the Pioneers buildings is used for political purposes in May. Loving lances
  • Score: 4

9:54am Thu 23 Jan 14

jaseslady66 says...

Most ordinary Bacup folk Loving lances are full of questions that no-one seems interested in answering. Be very interesting to hear who these local/valley firms are that are mentioned in the Big Ideas application and the news article . £50,000 Awarded out of money left over from the sale of a public building and which the proceeds were promised would benefit Bacup people. I think most members of that forum would have voted to give the money thinking it would mean what it said in the application local jobs for local people, would they have given it had there not been any mention of local firms and jobs, I doubt it. So if we aren't having these local / valley firms this £ 50,000 wasn't actually gained by telling the truth was it?
Most ordinary Bacup folk Loving lances are full of questions that no-one seems interested in answering. Be very interesting to hear who these local/valley firms are that are mentioned in the Big Ideas application and the news article . £50,000 Awarded out of money left over from the sale of a public building and which the proceeds were promised would benefit Bacup people. I think most members of that forum would have voted to give the money thinking it would mean what it said in the application local jobs for local people, would they have given it had there not been any mention of local firms and jobs, I doubt it. So if we aren't having these local / valley firms this £ 50,000 wasn't actually gained by telling the truth was it? jaseslady66
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10:09am Thu 23 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

It is interesting to note which councillors are members of the Bacup Consortium, the Neighbourhood Forum and all the other front organisations which apply for public funds and then decide how to spend it. It is time that all these bodies punlished annual reports with audited accounts and leave copies in the library for ordinary folk to read.
Mysay.com should not prepared for any whitewash in his/her meeting: give them the Jeremy Paxman treatment!!
It is interesting to note which councillors are members of the Bacup Consortium, the Neighbourhood Forum and all the other front organisations which apply for public funds and then decide how to spend it. It is time that all these bodies punlished annual reports with audited accounts and leave copies in the library for ordinary folk to read. Mysay.com should not prepared for any whitewash in his/her meeting: give them the Jeremy Paxman treatment!! Loving lances
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5:21pm Thu 23 Jan 14

mysay.com says...

loving lances, I don't take prisoners lol, I give it with both barrels as many of the councillors know only too well, having said that, this is more about asking questions and hopefully getting answers.

It is very clear form these posts, and many on facebook too, that the general feeling among the public, the trade and many of the community groups is one of doubt, many questions, the bulk of which in fairness seem to be based arounf local funding, local jobs, and local benefit.

I may be off the mark here, and I am sure many of you will be only to keen to tell me if I am, but are we happy if the council fully intend to provide local jobs, local opportunities and local improvements to bacup people, bacup area and bacup image? (in other words use the money for its intended purpose)

I am hoping to have this meeting next week, and the questions will be asked.

It has been pointed out that the council did instigate the bid, and without their involvement, in partnership with the community groups, the bid would not have been successful.

What we want to know now is, why barnfield and can this be amended to a more local contractor? correct?
loving lances, I don't take prisoners lol, I give it with both barrels as many of the councillors know only too well, having said that, this is more about asking questions and hopefully getting answers. It is very clear form these posts, and many on facebook too, that the general feeling among the public, the trade and many of the community groups is one of doubt, many questions, the bulk of which in fairness seem to be based arounf local funding, local jobs, and local benefit. I may be off the mark here, and I am sure many of you will be only to keen to tell me if I am, but are we happy if the council fully intend to provide local jobs, local opportunities and local improvements to bacup people, bacup area and bacup image? (in other words use the money for its intended purpose) I am hoping to have this meeting next week, and the questions will be asked. It has been pointed out that the council did instigate the bid, and without their involvement, in partnership with the community groups, the bid would not have been successful. What we want to know now is, why barnfield and can this be amended to a more local contractor? correct? mysay.com
  • Score: 1

6:01pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

Thanks, Mysay.com.
May I comment by mentioning a side issue?
The Big Ideas fund was created by the sale of the leisure centre to Catherine Murphy (now Chadwick). She is now mightily aggrieved by the council's behaviour in the way it handled planning for new homes next to the Hub. Apparently, she has considered selling it back. The council has an appalling track record of dealing with businesses, tenants and taxpayers.
Thanks, Mysay.com. May I comment by mentioning a side issue? The Big Ideas fund was created by the sale of the leisure centre to Catherine Murphy (now Chadwick). She is now mightily aggrieved by the council's behaviour in the way it handled planning for new homes next to the Hub. Apparently, she has considered selling it back. The council has an appalling track record of dealing with businesses, tenants and taxpayers. Loving lances
  • Score: 2

6:34pm Thu 23 Jan 14

GAC says...

i guess its the simple ones.

who;s in charge of the money and where/how is it being spent. and if its not being spent within bacup/rossendale then why not.

as 2 million going in to the local economy would be a nice little boost and could help generate a few extra jobs as well as help tidy up bacup.

also whats the selection process behind the buildings and also if the people who own them dont want to spend the money themselves why should the money handed to bacup be lavished on a building so someone can make a profit on it.

the old bingo hall on burnley rd im guessing will have money thrown at it but who actually owns it and after the moneys spent whats next.
as id hope they have some sort of plan for after the moneys been spent and bacup's been done up as its pointless blowing the money then working out some of the buildings will stay empty and end up falling in to disrepair yet again due to their owners not wanting to invest.
i guess its the simple ones. who;s in charge of the money and where/how is it being spent. and if its not being spent within bacup/rossendale then why not. as 2 million going in to the local economy would be a nice little boost and could help generate a few extra jobs as well as help tidy up bacup. also whats the selection process behind the buildings and also if the people who own them dont want to spend the money themselves why should the money handed to bacup be lavished on a building so someone can make a profit on it. the old bingo hall on burnley rd im guessing will have money thrown at it but who actually owns it and after the moneys spent whats next. as id hope they have some sort of plan for after the moneys been spent and bacup's been done up as its pointless blowing the money then working out some of the buildings will stay empty and end up falling in to disrepair yet again due to their owners not wanting to invest. GAC
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

Two questions:
There was a mention of St James Square being pedestrianised. This was mooted a few years ago when Tony Wilson's grand plans for Pennine Lancashire inspired councils to hire consultants to draw up silly designs. The ones for Bacup included market stalls in the middle of the road. So what the traffic?.
Secondly, one of the most decrepit buildings on the way into the town centre is the old School Board Office on Rochdale road, opposite the health centre.
Along with the former chapel on Alma Street, they are prime candidates for demolition.
Two questions: There was a mention of St James Square being pedestrianised. This was mooted a few years ago when Tony Wilson's grand plans for Pennine Lancashire inspired councils to hire consultants to draw up silly designs. The ones for Bacup included market stalls in the middle of the road. So what the traffic?. Secondly, one of the most decrepit buildings on the way into the town centre is the old School Board Office on Rochdale road, opposite the health centre. Along with the former chapel on Alma Street, they are prime candidates for demolition. Loving lances
  • Score: 3

12:37am Fri 24 Jan 14

mysay.com says...

ok, some of these I can answer already, the old bingo hall has not been identified to have money spent on it as far as I am aware, this is because it is privately owned by B&E Boys, and as quite rightly stated, why should someone who clearly has the funds to repair and refurbish have public funds spent on it.

the process, (I am led to believe) in identifying which buildings were to benefit form the funds included the financial viability of the property, which meant that anything which would require the bulk (or at least too much) of the fund, were discounted as it would have meant a reduction in the number of properties which would benefit.

I have personally suggested turning bacup into a one way system using union street, as we have in rawtenstall using kay street, we are due an update meeting with LCC about there proposals at the next taxi liaison meeting which is to be held in February, as when we met with them last time, any plans were on hold pending the THI result, so hopefully more on there proposal after that.

The money is to be spent in Bacup, and only in Bacup as that was the area on which the bid was placed, if it is not spent on bacup, then I am pretty sure that the heritage trust will come down like a ton of bricks, since this is 1.5million of their money we are talking about, the LCC and RBC match funding will be up to them specifically how it is spent, but again, it MUST be in Bacup, as this was a condition of winning the bid.

I don't have any more information at this time, but I will try to monitor this thread and answer what I can when I can.
ok, some of these I can answer already, the old bingo hall has not been identified to have money spent on it as far as I am aware, this is because it is privately owned by B&E Boys, and as quite rightly stated, why should someone who clearly has the funds to repair and refurbish have public funds spent on it. the process, (I am led to believe) in identifying which buildings were to benefit form the funds included the financial viability of the property, which meant that anything which would require the bulk (or at least too much) of the fund, were discounted as it would have meant a reduction in the number of properties which would benefit. I have personally suggested turning bacup into a one way system using union street, as we have in rawtenstall using kay street, we are due an update meeting with LCC about there proposals at the next taxi liaison meeting which is to be held in February, as when we met with them last time, any plans were on hold pending the THI result, so hopefully more on there proposal after that. The money is to be spent in Bacup, and only in Bacup as that was the area on which the bid was placed, if it is not spent on bacup, then I am pretty sure that the heritage trust will come down like a ton of bricks, since this is 1.5million of their money we are talking about, the LCC and RBC match funding will be up to them specifically how it is spent, but again, it MUST be in Bacup, as this was a condition of winning the bid. I don't have any more information at this time, but I will try to monitor this thread and answer what I can when I can. mysay.com
  • Score: 1

12:48am Fri 24 Jan 14

mysay.com says...

as for the hub, and Catherine, yes there is some mutual animosity there between the council and Catherine, as the council think that Catherine has done very well out if them, and Catherine thinks the council have done very well out of her, since no one else was stepping up to save the hub as the council were simply going to close it down if you remember,

I am not going to get involved in that issue too much since I get on well with both sides of that debate and do not want to see myself in the middle trying to defend either one, I can see both points. and the council have severely failed her with regards to the homes being built on there, it will affect her business and it will affect the other businesses who depend on the parking restrictions will come into force and it will affect those who have been using this land for outdoor activities.
as for the hub, and Catherine, yes there is some mutual animosity there between the council and Catherine, as the council think that Catherine has done very well out if them, and Catherine thinks the council have done very well out of her, since no one else was stepping up to save the hub as the council were simply going to close it down if you remember, I am not going to get involved in that issue too much since I get on well with both sides of that debate and do not want to see myself in the middle trying to defend either one, I can see both points. and the council have severely failed her with regards to the homes being built on there, it will affect her business and it will affect the other businesses who depend on the parking restrictions will come into force and it will affect those who have been using this land for outdoor activities. mysay.com
  • Score: 0

7:22am Fri 24 Jan 14

her from here says...

GAC wrote:
i guess its the simple ones.

who;s in charge of the money and where/how is it being spent. and if its not being spent within bacup/rossendale then why not.

as 2 million going in to the local economy would be a nice little boost and could help generate a few extra jobs as well as help tidy up bacup.

also whats the selection process behind the buildings and also if the people who own them dont want to spend the money themselves why should the money handed to bacup be lavished on a building so someone can make a profit on it.

the old bingo hall on burnley rd im guessing will have money thrown at it but who actually owns it and after the moneys spent whats next.
as id hope they have some sort of plan for after the moneys been spent and bacup's been done up as its pointless blowing the money then working out some of the buildings will stay empty and end up falling in to disrepair yet again due to their owners not wanting to invest.
I THINK IT'S BRIAN BOYS
[quote][p][bold]GAC[/bold] wrote: i guess its the simple ones. who;s in charge of the money and where/how is it being spent. and if its not being spent within bacup/rossendale then why not. as 2 million going in to the local economy would be a nice little boost and could help generate a few extra jobs as well as help tidy up bacup. also whats the selection process behind the buildings and also if the people who own them dont want to spend the money themselves why should the money handed to bacup be lavished on a building so someone can make a profit on it. the old bingo hall on burnley rd im guessing will have money thrown at it but who actually owns it and after the moneys spent whats next. as id hope they have some sort of plan for after the moneys been spent and bacup's been done up as its pointless blowing the money then working out some of the buildings will stay empty and end up falling in to disrepair yet again due to their owners not wanting to invest.[/p][/quote]I THINK IT'S BRIAN BOYS her from here
  • Score: 1

9:44am Fri 24 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

The Regal was featured on Homes under the Hammer after an Asian businessman bought it for £181k. The Free Press did a silly story about the guy in a leopard print outfit.
This building, the school board office and the Alma St chapel need demolition. The church next to the Regal is also vulnerable. Look how long Horace's was a blot on the landscape -- largely through the pig-headed attitude of the caring, sharing Co-op (and all praise due to Andy McNae for getting that sorted). Bacup needs £50m. The current money is only enough for cosmetic improvement, mere lipstick! The Woolworth's building, the old billiard hall, Market Hotel are all in a limbo. It's no good just tarting up St James Square if the approach roads are decrepit. The Swan Hotel needs a good coat of paint.
I suggest that the ward councillors and the THI consultants actually walk around the town with their eyes open instead of just posing for publicity shots.
I sincerely hope that our colleague MySay.com gets real results. I for one am not impressed so far.
And how are the council going to woo new traders? Morrisons spent £7m of their own money. St James Street is occupied by charity shops and pound shops. We need more than just a Boots and a Santander. Look at Rammy, Todmorden, Hebden Bridge. We need shops that cater for (and this will upset some readers of a nervous disposition....) middle class residents. The days when Bacup was a working class mill town have gone. New home owners have more aspirations. The museum fans might celebrate the 19th century roots, today's families want a modern town. Ask the kids in
the town centre. They care nothing about the history, they think it's a complete dump.
The Regal was featured on Homes under the Hammer after an Asian businessman bought it for £181k. The Free Press did a silly story about the guy in a leopard print outfit. This building, the school board office and the Alma St chapel need demolition. The church next to the Regal is also vulnerable. Look how long Horace's was a blot on the landscape -- largely through the pig-headed attitude of the caring, sharing Co-op (and all praise due to Andy McNae for getting that sorted). Bacup needs £50m. The current money is only enough for cosmetic improvement, mere lipstick! The Woolworth's building, the old billiard hall, Market Hotel are all in a limbo. It's no good just tarting up St James Square if the approach roads are decrepit. The Swan Hotel needs a good coat of paint. I suggest that the ward councillors and the THI consultants actually walk around the town with their eyes open instead of just posing for publicity shots. I sincerely hope that our colleague MySay.com gets real results. I for one am not impressed so far. And how are the council going to woo new traders? Morrisons spent £7m of their own money. St James Street is occupied by charity shops and pound shops. We need more than just a Boots and a Santander. Look at Rammy, Todmorden, Hebden Bridge. We need shops that cater for (and this will upset some readers of a nervous disposition....) middle class residents. The days when Bacup was a working class mill town have gone. New home owners have more aspirations. The museum fans might celebrate the 19th century roots, today's families want a modern town. Ask the kids in the town centre. They care nothing about the history, they think it's a complete dump. Loving lances
  • Score: 2

9:48pm Fri 24 Jan 14

mysay.com says...

lol, andy gets the praise for the horaces saga, ok, I have no problem with that, the council were busy upholding an out of date and irrelevant "covenant" until I pointed out at planning meeting and full council meeting that it was out of date and had no relevance from its inception, that was when morrisons were given the planning permission, but you are absolutely right, it was coop who were holding that derelict building in place, as with the old chemist, bought up to make sure no one could demolish it and build another supermarket.

for too long Bacup has been manipulated and treated as "second class" no more I say.

couldn't agree with you more, we need more middle and high end shops in the area and the 2 million will only scratch the surface, I like your "lipstick" can I use that lol
lol, andy gets the praise for the horaces saga, ok, I have no problem with that, the council were busy upholding an out of date and irrelevant "covenant" until I pointed out at planning meeting and full council meeting that it was out of date and had no relevance from its inception, that was when morrisons were given the planning permission, but you are absolutely right, it was coop who were holding that derelict building in place, as with the old chemist, bought up to make sure no one could demolish it and build another supermarket. for too long Bacup has been manipulated and treated as "second class" no more I say. couldn't agree with you more, we need more middle and high end shops in the area and the 2 million will only scratch the surface, I like your "lipstick" can I use that lol mysay.com
  • Score: 1

9:58pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

Thanks, MySay. I have been apalled over the years by certain councillors who have made comments such as "it's good enough for Bacup,". That's yhe attitude that has created websites listing Bacup as a Chav town or a Crap town. Well, it's down to crap councillors.
Thanks, MySay. I have been apalled over the years by certain councillors who have made comments such as "it's good enough for Bacup,". That's yhe attitude that has created websites listing Bacup as a Chav town or a Crap town. Well, it's down to crap councillors. Loving lances
  • Score: 1

11:01pm Tue 28 Jan 14

mysay.com says...

ok, I said I would update you after meeting with some members of the THI board, so here goes trying to remember as much as I can, it was very detailed so forgive me I miss anything.

The meeting was very informative and answered quite a lot of questions, very well I may add.

The THI insist on local borough councils taking the lead on the projects simply because then the THI board will have the confidence that all planning permissions etc will be obtained so there can be no come backs after the works have been carried out, plus the council have put up half million so should have some control over how and where it is spent anyway.

The reasons barnfield have been chosen to be the main contractor are that firstly, the council do already have contracts with them, which gives the council a lot more control over how and where the works are done, and barnfield have a lot more to lose by failing in any way, this also gives them the council the power to insist that as part of the bid, they offer work and training (in many cases specialised) to local people and local firms, the only other option would have been for the property owners to choose their own contractor who would then have had to apply for the 90% fund, this would have meant that 1, it would take too long for the funds to be awarded and would have required allsorts of certification form the contractors, and 2 there would have been no control or consistency in the way the works were carried out.

The reason that a 10% contribution is required form the property owner is to ensure that this is not simply a case of owners making a "quick buck" out of the funding, and is a condition of the bid made by the THI, in actual fact, it is normally 20% but the council managed to negotiate it down to 10%, which very nearly meant that we lost the bid.

the reason that it has been such a narrow field within the centre, is to ensure that as much of an impact can be achieved instead of "lipstick" on too many buildings.

the buildings identified fall into 3 categories, imperitive, (MUST be done) priority (highly recommended) and reserve, (the list of alternative buildings should the original selection not be available for whatever reason) they must meet certain criteria which included heritage risk, (losing them would be a huge loss to the heritage of the town) gateway buildings ( iconic buildings which are prominent on the entry roads into the town) and financial viability, (not to take up all of the fund on one building), it also had to have the agreement of the property owner, to pay the contribution and allow the works to be done. which is why the bingo hall was not included, it would cost too much and the owner did not want it included as he has no action plan for the building at this time.

it is hoped that other forms of funding will become available on the back of this award, for example stockport apparently won the same amount (£1.5million) to be spent there, but the overall project there ended being funded and completed to the tune of £10million, it is also hoped that it will encourage other investors into the area which will be heavy promoted and publicised.

Once the THI board has been reconvened in February, there will be an on going series of public meetings during the whole process to make sure that the public are kept informed and can ask questions all the way through the process.

I know that one or two of the terms may not be completely spot on, but it give you the jist of it, and this is all off the top of my head, without reading back through my notes.

hope I have helped
ok, I said I would update you after meeting with some members of the THI board, so here goes trying to remember as much as I can, it was very detailed so forgive me I miss anything. The meeting was very informative and answered quite a lot of questions, very well I may add. The THI insist on local borough councils taking the lead on the projects simply because then the THI board will have the confidence that all planning permissions etc will be obtained so there can be no come backs after the works have been carried out, plus the council have put up half million so should have some control over how and where it is spent anyway. The reasons barnfield have been chosen to be the main contractor are that firstly, the council do already have contracts with them, which gives the council a lot more control over how and where the works are done, and barnfield have a lot more to lose by failing in any way, this also gives them the council the power to insist that as part of the bid, they offer work and training (in many cases specialised) to local people and local firms, the only other option would have been for the property owners to choose their own contractor who would then have had to apply for the 90% fund, this would have meant that 1, it would take too long for the funds to be awarded and would have required allsorts of certification form the contractors, and 2 there would have been no control or consistency in the way the works were carried out. The reason that a 10% contribution is required form the property owner is to ensure that this is not simply a case of owners making a "quick buck" out of the funding, and is a condition of the bid made by the THI, in actual fact, it is normally 20% but the council managed to negotiate it down to 10%, which very nearly meant that we lost the bid. the reason that it has been such a narrow field within the centre, is to ensure that as much of an impact can be achieved instead of "lipstick" on too many buildings. the buildings identified fall into 3 categories, imperitive, (MUST be done) priority (highly recommended) and reserve, (the list of alternative buildings should the original selection not be available for whatever reason) they must meet certain criteria which included heritage risk, (losing them would be a huge loss to the heritage of the town) gateway buildings ( iconic buildings which are prominent on the entry roads into the town) and financial viability, (not to take up all of the fund on one building), it also had to have the agreement of the property owner, to pay the contribution and allow the works to be done. which is why the bingo hall was not included, it would cost too much and the owner did not want it included as he has no action plan for the building at this time. it is hoped that other forms of funding will become available on the back of this award, for example stockport apparently won the same amount (£1.5million) to be spent there, but the overall project there ended being funded and completed to the tune of £10million, it is also hoped that it will encourage other investors into the area which will be heavy promoted and publicised. Once the THI board has been reconvened in February, there will be an on going series of public meetings during the whole process to make sure that the public are kept informed and can ask questions all the way through the process. I know that one or two of the terms may not be completely spot on, but it give you the jist of it, and this is all off the top of my head, without reading back through my notes. hope I have helped mysay.com
  • Score: -1

9:28am Thu 30 Jan 14

GAC says...

thanks for the info but im still rather worried and a tad confused over all of this.

with the councils track record for money miss management i dont understand how anyone thought it was a good idea to let them take the lead. as for the planning permission part that sounds a tad dodgy, "let us run it and planning will be easy" im sorry isnt it supposed to be a level playing field for EVERYONE.

as for barnfield and the council already use them, im still wondering why they couldnt use boys as they have done in the past, rather than use barnfield, as for the extra control iv never heard such a load of rubbish, if you employ a contractor you have the same control be it for a one off job or a group of jobs, as your paying you tell them where and when to do the work, again sounds like someones just thinking up excuses.

the 10% rather than 20% off of building owners is a odd one, from the thi's stand point (and as you say they nearly lost the money over this) 20% would have meant the grant would go a lot further and the building owners wouldnt be getting a near free ride, which at 10% they are, even at 20% they are getting a bloody good deal over what they should have paid for repairs and upkeep.

would be nice if they would update the websites and list who is exactly on the board as alot of this does sound like a cozy little group of ex councilors and labour party supporters, guess we will find that out in a couple of months when we see them all lording it up in the local elections or not.

but good job on the info mysay, now lets hope these public meetings actually happen, and if they do they happen in bacup and at a time most people can attend, not the middle of the day like other ones have done before now.
thanks for the info but im still rather worried and a tad confused over all of this. with the councils track record for money miss management i dont understand how anyone thought it was a good idea to let them take the lead. as for the planning permission part that sounds a tad dodgy, "let us run it and planning will be easy" im sorry isnt it supposed to be a level playing field for EVERYONE. as for barnfield and the council already use them, im still wondering why they couldnt use boys as they have done in the past, rather than use barnfield, as for the extra control iv never heard such a load of rubbish, if you employ a contractor you have the same control be it for a one off job or a group of jobs, as your paying you tell them where and when to do the work, again sounds like someones just thinking up excuses. the 10% rather than 20% off of building owners is a odd one, from the thi's stand point (and as you say they nearly lost the money over this) 20% would have meant the grant would go a lot further and the building owners wouldnt be getting a near free ride, which at 10% they are, even at 20% they are getting a bloody good deal over what they should have paid for repairs and upkeep. would be nice if they would update the websites and list who is exactly on the board as alot of this does sound like a cozy little group of ex councilors and labour party supporters, guess we will find that out in a couple of months when we see them all lording it up in the local elections or not. but good job on the info mysay, now lets hope these public meetings actually happen, and if they do they happen in bacup and at a time most people can attend, not the middle of the day like other ones have done before now. GAC
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10:58am Thu 30 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

Thanks GAC. I too am deeply suspicious. A couple of weeks ago MySay.com was saying that the council and Andy McNae had no input. Now, just as I said all along, he is the big cheese. And the cheese is quite pungent.
It all reminds me of the great muck-up over the Elevate scheme to renovate frontages of houses in Stacksteads. A complete disgrace and Labour councillors mislead local residents.
I notice that the Free Press last week quoted a reader as saying what good news THI was. This reader was Labour councillor Steve Hughes!!!

Cosy, dozy, lazy and crazy! Four words that sum up our town councillors.
Thanks GAC. I too am deeply suspicious. A couple of weeks ago MySay.com was saying that the council and Andy McNae had no input. Now, just as I said all along, he is the big cheese. And the cheese is quite pungent. It all reminds me of the great muck-up over the Elevate scheme to renovate frontages of houses in Stacksteads. A complete disgrace and Labour councillors mislead local residents. I notice that the Free Press last week quoted a reader as saying what good news THI was. This reader was Labour councillor Steve Hughes!!! Cosy, dozy, lazy and crazy! Four words that sum up our town councillors. Loving lances
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9:44pm Thu 30 Jan 14

mysay.com says...

ok, thanks for your replies, I will try to answer your concerns as best I can, although I have to point out, that really speaking, it is not for me to answer, I can only answer with the info I have been given, so here goes.

the reason the council have been selected by the trust to lead it is that it is a requirement of the bid that the local authority has some control, not so planning would be easy, but to make sure that planning permission were in place where necessary.

the reason for barnfield versus boys, was twofold, firstly boys didn't want it, and second, if each property employed their own contractor, then firstly, there would be nothing to say that it would be local firms who were contracted, but there would be no consistency in the standards, and identifying and locating each individual contractor would be almost impossible.

the !0% versus 20%, I take your comments on board completely, and agree, it would indeed have meant that the funds would have gone further, but it may also have meant that if the owner could not afford the 20%, then the works may not have gone ahead at all, which would have meant the potential of a very patchy result.

The updates on the websites was mentioned as you requested, and assurances given that this will be actioned shortly after the review board meet in February, there is not really any detail to update it with until that time.

I am happy to take that point forward for you about the "local and evening meetings," to enable the public to attend, they were very definite on the fact that they will definitely be taking place.

as for your appreciation, no problem, I said I would update you, and I do like to be a man of my word. (wherever I can lol)
ok, thanks for your replies, I will try to answer your concerns as best I can, although I have to point out, that really speaking, it is not for me to answer, I can only answer with the info I have been given, so here goes. the reason the council have been selected by the trust to lead it is that it is a requirement of the bid that the local authority has some control, not so planning would be easy, but to make sure that planning permission were in place where necessary. the reason for barnfield versus boys, was twofold, firstly boys didn't want it, and second, if each property employed their own contractor, then firstly, there would be nothing to say that it would be local firms who were contracted, but there would be no consistency in the standards, and identifying and locating each individual contractor would be almost impossible. the !0% versus 20%, I take your comments on board completely, and agree, it would indeed have meant that the funds would have gone further, but it may also have meant that if the owner could not afford the 20%, then the works may not have gone ahead at all, which would have meant the potential of a very patchy result. The updates on the websites was mentioned as you requested, and assurances given that this will be actioned shortly after the review board meet in February, there is not really any detail to update it with until that time. I am happy to take that point forward for you about the "local and evening meetings," to enable the public to attend, they were very definite on the fact that they will definitely be taking place. as for your appreciation, no problem, I said I would update you, and I do like to be a man of my word. (wherever I can lol) mysay.com
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11:21pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

@ MySay.com Thank you.
@ MySay.com Thank you. Loving lances
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9:13am Fri 31 Jan 14

GAC says...

thanks again mysay,

surprsied boys didnt want it as it would have been a huge chunk of money of their yearly turn over i bet.

as for the 10/20% thing if the building owners couldnt afford it maybe they shouldnt be building owners. as a lot of the issues will be down to them being lazy land lords and leaving there properties to fall in to disrepair.

i just hope the council make all the spending available in plain english and not in some god awful ebitda style profit and loss sheet which can hide various figures in a mass of numbers.

now if only the telegraph reporters (a term i use very loosely) would get involved. rather than wait for the news to be spoon fed to them.
thanks again mysay, surprsied boys didnt want it as it would have been a huge chunk of money of their yearly turn over i bet. as for the 10/20% thing if the building owners couldnt afford it maybe they shouldnt be building owners. as a lot of the issues will be down to them being lazy land lords and leaving there properties to fall in to disrepair. i just hope the council make all the spending available in plain english and not in some god awful ebitda style profit and loss sheet which can hide various figures in a mass of numbers. now if only the telegraph reporters (a term i use very loosely) would get involved. rather than wait for the news to be spoon fed to them. GAC
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12:44pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

So, the awful bingo hall will continue to be another sh1th0le for the next 20 years, just like Horace's.
if Andy McNae really cared he would implement the land policy outlined by that nice Mr Milibland: use it or lose it. Why must be town look so crappy.

Wearing his hat as Tourism boss, Andy McNae must realise that visitors won't come to a dismal, dirty, damp, depressing, dog-**** dump like Bacup. Demolish the eyesores, build new apartments for young middle class residents.
So, the awful bingo hall will continue to be another sh1th0le for the next 20 years, just like Horace's. if Andy McNae really cared he would implement the land policy outlined by that nice Mr Milibland: use it or lose it. Why must be town look so crappy. Wearing his hat as Tourism boss, Andy McNae must realise that visitors won't come to a dismal, dirty, damp, depressing, dog-**** dump like Bacup. Demolish the eyesores, build new apartments for young middle class residents. Loving lances
  • Score: 0

6:54pm Fri 31 Jan 14

mysay.com says...

Thanks guys, I did ask the question if pressure could be put on B&E Boys to do something with the bingo hall on the back of the THI, I have been assured that every effort will be made to ensure that something is done with it so on that score, all we can do is hope.

It may well be that they didn't want to be included in the bid wince they didn't want to have so much control and timescales enforced upon them to do something with it.

I take your point again about the contribution, it is indeed due to laziness as to why the funds are needed in the first place, but to be fair, it call also be due to lack of trade and interest in the town, which is the other path we (as traders group) intend to do everything we can to turn around, now we have the THI, we can only hope that will indeed be a "kickstart," but we also need oyur help and support.
Thanks guys, I did ask the question if pressure could be put on B&E Boys to do something with the bingo hall on the back of the THI, I have been assured that every effort will be made to ensure that something is done with it so on that score, all we can do is hope. It may well be that they didn't want to be included in the bid wince they didn't want to have so much control and timescales enforced upon them to do something with it. I take your point again about the contribution, it is indeed due to laziness as to why the funds are needed in the first place, but to be fair, it call also be due to lack of trade and interest in the town, which is the other path we (as traders group) intend to do everything we can to turn around, now we have the THI, we can only hope that will indeed be a "kickstart," but we also need oyur help and support. mysay.com
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