Helmshore residents battle pub over 'loud' music

Lancashire Telegraph: The Station Hotel The Station Hotel

NEIGHBOURS are set to go into battle with publicans after ‘loud’ music by Status Quo, The Under-tones and Coldplay blasted out of a Helmshore venue.

Residents living near The Station, in Helmshore Road, say they have had enough of late-night disturbance following an outdoor music festival, two years ago, and various live bands perf-orming there since.

Now a review has been ordered by Rossendale Council and the pub’s designated licence holder, Nicola Barcroft, has been asked to defend their record.

Council papers show that the first complaints relating to the premises emerged in August 2011 when an outdoor festival took place at The Station.

But since last May seven separate residents complained and were asked to keep logs of the alleged problem by the borough council’s environmental health department.

Another one-day festival in August prompted fresh concerns.

And recordings taken from a nearby property, on a date in September, indicated that music levels constituted a statutory nuisance.

Environmental health officer Carmela Lo Presti, in the review report, said: “As I arrived at Limewood Close I could hear loud music coming from The Station pub.

“As I got out of my car it sounded like a live band and they were playing ‘Whatever You Want’ by Status Quo.” Council officials served a statutory noise nuisance order on Ms Barcroft on September 19.

But when another environmental health officer, Paul Thwaites, visited nine days later he could clearly hear tracks including Coldplay’s ‘Rule The World’ and ‘Ride Sally Ride’ from a neighbouring house.

Though a further meeting took place between licensing officers and the pub licensee, and noise limiting equipment was installed, further complaints were recor-ded in November and December.

The review is expected to be heard early next year.

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9:14pm Mon 23 Dec 13

willie eckerslike says...

WHY, WHY, WHY, buy a house near a pub if you don't like noise, "absolute madness"
WHY, WHY, WHY, buy a house near a pub if you don't like noise, "absolute madness" willie eckerslike

11:20pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Stone Island: says...

Nothing wrong with a bit of Teenage kicks blasting out. The pub should be taken to task for playing Status Quo though.
Nothing wrong with a bit of Teenage kicks blasting out. The pub should be taken to task for playing Status Quo though. Stone Island:

12:07am Tue 24 Dec 13

Shorelad says...

willie eckerslike wrote:
WHY, WHY, WHY, buy a house near a pub if you don't like noise, "absolute madness"
This pub is doing its best to try and survive and put on live entertainment once a week for very supportive and grateful locals, I think you will find. The bands who play here do their best to keep levels lower than most other pub gigs. The doors and windows are kept shut, the windows facing the street are fitted with sound absorbing insulation for every gig, the beer garden/ smoking area is closed off and the the vent fans are closed off. What more can you do to suffocate your customers! This pub is incredibly tame in comparison to most others in the area.
Don't buy a new house next to an old, long established pub if you don't like pub type activities!!.
[quote][p][bold]willie eckerslike[/bold] wrote: WHY, WHY, WHY, buy a house near a pub if you don't like noise, "absolute madness"[/p][/quote]This pub is doing its best to try and survive and put on live entertainment once a week for very supportive and grateful locals, I think you will find. The bands who play here do their best to keep levels lower than most other pub gigs. The doors and windows are kept shut, the windows facing the street are fitted with sound absorbing insulation for every gig, the beer garden/ smoking area is closed off and the the vent fans are closed off. What more can you do to suffocate your customers! This pub is incredibly tame in comparison to most others in the area. Don't buy a new house next to an old, long established pub if you don't like pub type activities!!. Shorelad

6:55am Tue 24 Dec 13

Excluded again says...

'The Station' pub. That will be the one by the railway station, been there since Victorian times.

Unless Methusaleh has been hiding out in Helmshore, the pub has been there longer than any residents. Did it never occur to them that living next to a pub might be noisy.

Its like those people who move next to a church, then complain about the noise from the bells.
'The Station' pub. That will be the one by the railway station, been there since Victorian times. Unless Methusaleh has been hiding out in Helmshore, the pub has been there longer than any residents. Did it never occur to them that living next to a pub might be noisy. Its like those people who move next to a church, then complain about the noise from the bells. Excluded again

8:06am Tue 24 Dec 13

RossendaleBB4 says...

I'm sorry...WHAT???? Seriously??? Why oh why buy a house next to a pub then complain? Why would you buy a house next to a pub and not expect noise? Do any of the complainants actually know anything historical about Helmshore? If so you MAY realise that this pub has been here far longer than most hiouses in the vicinity therefore you KNEW at the point of sale that it was indeed, a public house, therefore common sense should have told you to expect some disturbance, in particiular at weekends. The landlady of this pub makes EVERY effore to run a business and she ensures that any noise is minimised. This pub is the ONLY thriving pub in the area, so please, stop complaining, YOU bought your house, the pub never forced you to live here!
I'm sorry...WHAT???? Seriously??? Why oh why buy a house next to a pub then complain? Why would you buy a house next to a pub and not expect noise? Do any of the complainants actually know anything historical about Helmshore? If so you MAY realise that this pub has been here far longer than most hiouses in the vicinity therefore you KNEW at the point of sale that it was indeed, a public house, therefore common sense should have told you to expect some disturbance, in particiular at weekends. The landlady of this pub makes EVERY effore to run a business and she ensures that any noise is minimised. This pub is the ONLY thriving pub in the area, so please, stop complaining, YOU bought your house, the pub never forced you to live here! RossendaleBB4

8:12am Tue 24 Dec 13

HelmshoreBoy says...

If you buy one of those cardboard pigeon coops at the back of the Station, what more do you expect. It's only once a week and the hours are restricted. There are no problems with drunks or rowdy behaviour like there are at other establishments. The music events cited in the article were all for worthy, charitable causes.

NIMBIES AND NEWCOMERS = WHINGERS (GET A LIFE!)

ps. The Station was formely called "The Turners Arms" and was there before the railway station I believe.
If you buy one of those cardboard pigeon coops at the back of the Station, what more do you expect. It's only once a week and the hours are restricted. There are no problems with drunks or rowdy behaviour like there are at other establishments. The music events cited in the article were all for worthy, charitable causes. NIMBIES AND NEWCOMERS = WHINGERS (GET A LIFE!) ps. The Station was formely called "The Turners Arms" and was there before the railway station I believe. HelmshoreBoy

8:17am Tue 24 Dec 13

HelmshoreBoy says...

"Ride Sally,Ride" surely "Mustang Sally" by Wilson Pickett
"Ride Sally,Ride" surely "Mustang Sally" by Wilson Pickett HelmshoreBoy

9:31am Tue 24 Dec 13

Slimes says...

Britain is currently at risk of losing many of its traditions and the Great British pub is one of those. I am currently an active member of CAMRA and think the Ale in the Station is top notch, unfortunately good beer is not enough to keep these establishments open. Helmshore lost the British Legion some time ago and The Bridge and the White Horse just recently.

I commend Nicola for her efforts to balance the needs of the immediate local residence, at the detriment to her patrons, and her desire to keep The Station alive. I am aware there have been many changes within The Station to reduce the noise but it appears from this story this has not been appreciated.

I have noted the comments regarding the age of The Station and the arrival of the recent newcomers and it is a very valid point. The pub has been doing it's best to remain in business and reduce the alleged 'nuisance' but the residence do need to take some responsibility, the property developers may also have something to answer to regarding the construction techniques used. If you build next to a motorway or airport you take this in to consideration.

Nearly all of the customers in the Station are Helmshore people, most of them were born and went to school here, it would be a shame for these 'many' to be denied the chance to meet up and enjoy each others company by 'the few'.

I do hope that Rossendale Borough Council consider the impact of any actions they may take, it could be the demise of one of the remaining social centers in Helmshore.

I do have some final requests to the few people who have complained, although I understand it will be viewed as bias, please do what you can, close your windows and doors, try to do what you can to help rather than complain and lastly - god forbid - come over, have some fun with other local people and join in!
Britain is currently at risk of losing many of its traditions and the Great British pub is one of those. I am currently an active member of CAMRA and think the Ale in the Station is top notch, unfortunately good beer is not enough to keep these establishments open. Helmshore lost the British Legion some time ago and The Bridge and the White Horse just recently. I commend Nicola for her efforts to balance the needs of the immediate local residence, at the detriment to her patrons, and her desire to keep The Station alive. I am aware there have been many changes within The Station to reduce the noise but it appears from this story this has not been appreciated. I have noted the comments regarding the age of The Station and the arrival of the recent newcomers and it is a very valid point. The pub has been doing it's best to remain in business and reduce the alleged 'nuisance' but the residence do need to take some responsibility, the property developers may also have something to answer to regarding the construction techniques used. If you build next to a motorway or airport you take this in to consideration. Nearly all of the customers in the Station are Helmshore people, most of them were born and went to school here, it would be a shame for these 'many' to be denied the chance to meet up and enjoy each others company by 'the few'. I do hope that Rossendale Borough Council consider the impact of any actions they may take, it could be the demise of one of the remaining social centers in Helmshore. I do have some final requests to the few people who have complained, although I understand it will be viewed as bias, please do what you can, close your windows and doors, try to do what you can to help rather than complain and lastly - god forbid - come over, have some fun with other local people and join in! Slimes

9:46am Tue 24 Dec 13

Chris P Bacon says...

HelmshoreBoy wrote:
"Ride Sally,Ride" surely "Mustang Sally" by Wilson Pickett
Wasn't it 'roide, Sally, roide' by the Commitments?
[quote][p][bold]HelmshoreBoy[/bold] wrote: "Ride Sally,Ride" surely "Mustang Sally" by Wilson Pickett[/p][/quote]Wasn't it 'roide, Sally, roide' by the Commitments? Chris P Bacon

11:10am Tue 24 Dec 13

AliMullaney says...

Don't buy a house near a pub then - it's not hard - the Station's been there for many, many more years than the cardboard box houses behind it. I've also heard that the main person complaining doesn't even own the house - it's rented - dunno how true that is. And here's an idea - why not try going to the pub and enjoying the live music - you never know, you might just have a good night.
Don't buy a house near a pub then - it's not hard - the Station's been there for many, many more years than the cardboard box houses behind it. I've also heard that the main person complaining doesn't even own the house - it's rented - dunno how true that is. And here's an idea - why not try going to the pub and enjoying the live music - you never know, you might just have a good night. AliMullaney

11:39am Tue 24 Dec 13

POW WOW says...

Excluded again wrote:
'The Station' pub. That will be the one by the railway station, been there since Victorian times.

Unless Methusaleh has been hiding out in Helmshore, the pub has been there longer than any residents. Did it never occur to them that living next to a pub might be noisy.

Its like those people who move next to a church, then complain about the noise from the bells.
So the music was there long before the residents hence since Victorian times ? Didn't know Status Quo was a Victorian rag n bone band !!!!!! Wonder if they played for Queen Victoria since she were young !!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: 'The Station' pub. That will be the one by the railway station, been there since Victorian times. Unless Methusaleh has been hiding out in Helmshore, the pub has been there longer than any residents. Did it never occur to them that living next to a pub might be noisy. Its like those people who move next to a church, then complain about the noise from the bells.[/p][/quote]So the music was there long before the residents hence since Victorian times ? Didn't know Status Quo was a Victorian rag n bone band !!!!!! Wonder if they played for Queen Victoria since she were young !!!!!!! POW WOW

12:09pm Tue 24 Dec 13

bluenatic says...

Imagine if they bought a house near the airport, would the council look at closing that down? The Station is a lovely local pub and the landlady bends over backwards to minimise the impact on the neighbours. Some of whom have made spurious accusations that have been proved as lies. It's pathetic and they should be told to grow up.
Imagine if they bought a house near the airport, would the council look at closing that down? The Station is a lovely local pub and the landlady bends over backwards to minimise the impact on the neighbours. Some of whom have made spurious accusations that have been proved as lies. It's pathetic and they should be told to grow up. bluenatic

12:53pm Tue 24 Dec 13

helm75 says...

Get a life people, dont buy a house next to a pub if you dont like noise and music. The pub was there first so you should adapt to the pub I know people who love living next to the pub so perhaps you should move out and let more like minded people move in. Its only a couple of hours a week. Pubs are a dying breed and should be encouraged to stay open and Nicola is doing an amazing job and doing her best to appease these nimbie newbies to the area. There are people living in war zones in this world so be grateful you can choose where to live. Why dont you choose somewhere in the m7ddle of the countryside away from a pub
Get a life people, dont buy a house next to a pub if you dont like noise and music. The pub was there first so you should adapt to the pub I know people who love living next to the pub so perhaps you should move out and let more like minded people move in. Its only a couple of hours a week. Pubs are a dying breed and should be encouraged to stay open and Nicola is doing an amazing job and doing her best to appease these nimbie newbies to the area. There are people living in war zones in this world so be grateful you can choose where to live. Why dont you choose somewhere in the m7ddle of the countryside away from a pub helm75

2:30pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Rheged says...

I can confirm that the pub (whilst called the Station HOTEL) has been there for ages and as such doesn't have to abide by any normal noise level rules. Do I get my free pint now?
I can confirm that the pub (whilst called the Station HOTEL) has been there for ages and as such doesn't have to abide by any normal noise level rules. Do I get my free pint now? Rheged

5:49pm Tue 24 Dec 13

POW WOW says...

Believe they do a nice Mexican there, maybe they should get a Mexican guitar trio and a few sombreros to blend in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Believe they do a nice Mexican there, maybe they should get a Mexican guitar trio and a few sombreros to blend in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! POW WOW

8:58am Wed 25 Dec 13

pdb951 says...

You idiots in those cra**y houses should move out. The pub was there before your rubbishy houses so to me it gets priority. We are losing pubs by the day and you people are after yet another.
MOVE OUT if you don't like it!
You idiots in those cra**y houses should move out. The pub was there before your rubbishy houses so to me it gets priority. We are losing pubs by the day and you people are after yet another. MOVE OUT if you don't like it! pdb951

9:25am Wed 25 Dec 13

Ann Hodgkiss says...

I have previously commented on this as Rossendale BB4 username, but need to make it cleaar, and urge people to put pen to paper and write to both Jake Berry AND the council planning department. Unfortunately it appears that only written letters will do, (not emails) so the landlady can gather together a portfolio of evidence as to why our local (complete with entertainment) must survive and indeed thrive. Once again, why would you buy a house near a pub?
Please, do thia as soon as possible.
I have previously commented on this as Rossendale BB4 username, but need to make it cleaar, and urge people to put pen to paper and write to both Jake Berry AND the council planning department. Unfortunately it appears that only written letters will do, (not emails) so the landlady can gather together a portfolio of evidence as to why our local (complete with entertainment) must survive and indeed thrive. Once again, why would you buy a house near a pub? Please, do thia as soon as possible. Ann Hodgkiss

10:10am Wed 25 Dec 13

phil kernot says...

Name and shame the residents get them to move , moan ,moan ,moan
Name and shame the residents get them to move , moan ,moan ,moan phil kernot

8:55pm Wed 25 Dec 13

Happyhelmshore says...

What's a nimbie?
What's a nimbie? Happyhelmshore

1:32pm Thu 26 Dec 13

HelmshoreBoy says...

Happyhelmshore wrote:
What's a nimbie?
Sorry, my mistake. I do apologise. Should have been N.I.M.B.Y.

The passion and infuriation may have got the better of me.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone.
[quote][p][bold]Happyhelmshore[/bold] wrote: What's a nimbie?[/p][/quote]Sorry, my mistake. I do apologise. Should have been N.I.M.B.Y. The passion and infuriation may have got the better of me. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone. HelmshoreBoy

9:38am Fri 27 Dec 13

cajbrown says...

This is a disgrace, I live less a hundred yards from the Station and don't hear a peep from it, the landlady is conscientious and I feel the place is getting something like what it used to be, a decent local boozer. These puritan wingers want locking up!
This is a disgrace, I live less a hundred yards from the Station and don't hear a peep from it, the landlady is conscientious and I feel the place is getting something like what it used to be, a decent local boozer. These puritan wingers want locking up! cajbrown

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