Mum of murdered teenager Sophie Lancaster slams US killer's 'goth' label

Sylvia Lancaster

Sylvia Lancaster

First published in News Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Crime reporter

THE mother of a teenager who was kicked to death because she was a ‘goth’ has slammed the media for using the term to label the US school mass murderer.

Sylvia Lancaster, who runs The Sophie Lancaster Foundation from her home in Haslingden, has accused American and British news outlets of ‘lazy journalism’ in their descriptions of Adam Lanza who shot dead 27 people, including 20 pupils, at a school in Newtown, Connecticut.

Sylvia said: “People have been contacting the charity and expressing their anger at news articles from here and the US which seem to use Lanza’s gothic subculture as an excuse for what he did.

“Obviously what he did was unspeakable and something we are in no way condoning. But it has to be pointed out that the way he dressed has nothing to do with what he did.

“There has to be more to it. The fact that the papers are stereotyping him and implying that all goths are the same is very upsetting. There are obviously lots of complex reasons as to why he did what he did and the media making their own assumptions does not help.

“I personally don’t think he looks like a goth, however he does look alternative.”

Sophie was just 21 when she was attacked in Stubbylee Park, Bacup, with her boyfriend Robert Maltby in 2007.

They were approached by five youths who attacked them simply because of the way they were dressed.

The gang attacked Robert before moving on to Sophie as she tried to protect him. She spent 13 days in a coma before she died. Sylvia said: “As a charity we do a lot of work trying to get children to accept stereotypes and not to be scared by difference.

“Media reaction like this is lazy journalism. From what I’ve read nobody knows why he did what he did yet. But the first thing we have done is pick out what was different about him.”

  • The gunman committed suicide as first responders closed in, the governor said yesterday, raising the spectre that Adam Lanza had planned an even more gruesome massacre and was stopped short.

Lanza blasted his way into the Sandy Hook Elementary School. Federal agents are now trying to cast light on Lanza’s life.

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11:17am Mon 17 Dec 12

mavrick says...

Perhaps you should not comment or get involved, It was another gun tragedy in America. It is for the conscience of American people to decide how to proceed.
Perhaps you should not comment or get involved, It was another gun tragedy in America. It is for the conscience of American people to decide how to proceed. mavrick
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11:51am Mon 17 Dec 12

Shorty Medlocke says...

I don't think anyone is trying to tell America how to proceed here. Sophie's mum is just responding to people who have contacted her about the use of the word goth to describe the gunman. She's right too.
I don't think anyone is trying to tell America how to proceed here. Sophie's mum is just responding to people who have contacted her about the use of the word goth to describe the gunman. She's right too. Shorty Medlocke
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12:05pm Mon 17 Dec 12

cookyy2k says...

Wow, what a suprise. The media are blaming being "alternative" and playing video games (fox news).

As someone who has an "alternative" lifestyle and interests, who listenes to havy metal music and plays computer games I must be prime suspect for the next one...
Wow, what a suprise. The media are blaming being "alternative" and playing video games (fox news). As someone who has an "alternative" lifestyle and interests, who listenes to havy metal music and plays computer games I must be prime suspect for the next one... cookyy2k
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12:12pm Mon 17 Dec 12

useyourhead says...

The autism lot are also up in arms that he has been described as possibly autistic, the journalists have to 'plump up' the bare facts available somehow, a good deal will be written and most will be utter shash and speculation,ignore,i
gnore, ignore!
The autism lot are also up in arms that he has been described as possibly autistic, the journalists have to 'plump up' the bare facts available somehow, a good deal will be written and most will be utter shash and speculation,ignore,i gnore, ignore! useyourhead
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12:15pm Mon 17 Dec 12

jack daniels says...

Come on Sylvia, you must know by now that the American media will do everything it can to shift the blame from it’s flawed capitalist culture to members of society that live on the fringe.

If it’s not the fault of backward messages found on Black Sabbath or Judas Priest vinyl records; it will surely be the fault of Marilyn Manson (who took the blame for the trench coat mafia killings), just as long as America’s idolization of ‘the beautiful people’ is never tarnished.

They will eventually focus on his autism and this will in turn tarnish anybody on the Autistic spectrum – just like the media has stigmatized people with schizophrenia.

Don’t stop speaking out though, as we have the right to be different (I’m an aging punk) and nothing should stop us being who we want to be.

R.I.P Sophie
Come on Sylvia, you must know by now that the American media will do everything it can to shift the blame from it’s flawed capitalist culture to members of society that live on the fringe. If it’s not the fault of backward messages found on Black Sabbath or Judas Priest vinyl records; it will surely be the fault of Marilyn Manson (who took the blame for the trench coat mafia killings), just as long as America’s idolization of ‘the beautiful people’ is never tarnished. They will eventually focus on his autism and this will in turn tarnish anybody on the Autistic spectrum – just like the media has stigmatized people with schizophrenia. Don’t stop speaking out though, as we have the right to be different (I’m an aging punk) and nothing should stop us being who we want to be. R.I.P Sophie jack daniels
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12:28pm Mon 17 Dec 12

NateBland says...

It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.
It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people. NateBland
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12:55pm Mon 17 Dec 12

mavrick says...

My comments were to simply to tell Sylvia to ignore it as the media will grasp at any straw to blame anybody or anything other than the real culprit. their gun laws.
My comments were to simply to tell Sylvia to ignore it as the media will grasp at any straw to blame anybody or anything other than the real culprit. their gun laws. mavrick
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1:03pm Mon 17 Dec 12

NoSaintButNoSinner says...

The media painted the goth/metalhead link when the Illionis University shootings occurred in 2008, same with the Finnish school massacre a year earlier. It is an easy link and Sylvia is right to stand up against it.
The media painted the goth/metalhead link when the Illionis University shootings occurred in 2008, same with the Finnish school massacre a year earlier. It is an easy link and Sylvia is right to stand up against it. NoSaintButNoSinner
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1:05pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Kt Mehers says...

By the way the Daily Mail have used the "Goth" word to describe him.
By the way the Daily Mail have used the "Goth" word to describe him. Kt Mehers
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1:07pm Mon 17 Dec 12

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1:25pm Mon 17 Dec 12

woolywords says...

NateBland wrote:
It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.
As ever, in all cases like this, and there have been a few, it's all too easy to start playing the blame game. Dunblane lost people the chance to own weapons in this country, after one senseless act. Sadly, this will not be the case in the US, as it's a part of their rights to bear arms. Calls for tighter gun controls have echoed around the halls of power, with everyone bleating on about how hard it would be to change things, since JFK was shot and killed in Nov '63, with a few Presidents getting shot at since then. Yet, less than a month after 9/11, they were invading Afghanistan.

And if they outlawed being goth, listening to heavy metal or gangsta rap music and violent video games, who is to say that someone won't take up arms because they just don't like Friday, Subway ham or the queues in a supermarket?
[quote][p][bold]NateBland[/bold] wrote: It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.[/p][/quote]As ever, in all cases like this, and there have been a few, it's all too easy to start playing the blame game. Dunblane lost people the chance to own weapons in this country, after one senseless act. Sadly, this will not be the case in the US, as it's a part of their rights to bear arms. Calls for tighter gun controls have echoed around the halls of power, with everyone bleating on about how hard it would be to change things, since JFK was shot and killed in Nov '63, with a few Presidents getting shot at since then. Yet, less than a month after 9/11, they were invading Afghanistan. And if they outlawed being goth, listening to heavy metal or gangsta rap music and violent video games, who is to say that someone won't take up arms because they just don't like Friday, Subway ham or the queues in a supermarket? woolywords
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2:01pm Mon 17 Dec 12

mysay.com says...

quite right too, the way you dress has nothing to do with anything but your dress sense, it has just as much to do with american behaviour as english behaviour, I am pleased to see that this has FINALLY been admitted!!!

stop labelling and excusing the violence of people on anything other than stupid mindless violence, no excuses, no reasons, no labels can justify what they have done, either here or in america, but with all due respect, they have just as much right to label it as you have, no one has copyrights to the term "goth" nor can they use it to their own advantage, and i do mean NO-ONE
quite right too, the way you dress has nothing to do with anything but your dress sense, it has just as much to do with american behaviour as english behaviour, I am pleased to see that this has FINALLY been admitted!!! stop labelling and excusing the violence of people on anything other than stupid mindless violence, no excuses, no reasons, no labels can justify what they have done, either here or in america, but with all due respect, they have just as much right to label it as you have, no one has copyrights to the term "goth" nor can they use it to their own advantage, and i do mean NO-ONE mysay.com
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2:11pm Mon 17 Dec 12

mysay.com says...

NoSaintButNoSinner wrote:
The media painted the goth/metalhead link when the Illionis University shootings occurred in 2008, same with the Finnish school massacre a year earlier. It is an easy link and Sylvia is right to stand up against it.
why? they have just as much right to use it as an excuse as she does
[quote][p][bold]NoSaintButNoSinner[/bold] wrote: The media painted the goth/metalhead link when the Illionis University shootings occurred in 2008, same with the Finnish school massacre a year earlier. It is an easy link and Sylvia is right to stand up against it.[/p][/quote]why? they have just as much right to use it as an excuse as she does mysay.com
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2:44pm Mon 17 Dec 12

NoSaintButNoSinner says...

mysay.com wrote:
NoSaintButNoSinner wrote:
The media painted the goth/metalhead link when the Illionis University shootings occurred in 2008, same with the Finnish school massacre a year earlier. It is an easy link and Sylvia is right to stand up against it.
why? they have just as much right to use it as an excuse as she does
Because it is prejudiced behavior to find a cause of correlation between such an incident and a subculture, race, religion etc. What if a coloured individual murdered a white person and the media pinpoint the reason behind the murder is that the murderer is black? Can you imagine the uproar that would cause? Regardless, how many crimes do the media blame on "chavs"? Not that I am condoning that they should, they rightly do not.

People like you project a difference between subcultures and races, creeds, religions and sexuality, when, at the end of the day, acts of derision to subcultures is prejudiced also.
[quote][p][bold]mysay.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NoSaintButNoSinner[/bold] wrote: The media painted the goth/metalhead link when the Illionis University shootings occurred in 2008, same with the Finnish school massacre a year earlier. It is an easy link and Sylvia is right to stand up against it.[/p][/quote]why? they have just as much right to use it as an excuse as she does[/p][/quote]Because it is prejudiced behavior to find a cause of correlation between such an incident and a subculture, race, religion etc. What if a coloured individual murdered a white person and the media pinpoint the reason behind the murder is that the murderer is black? Can you imagine the uproar that would cause? Regardless, how many crimes do the media blame on "chavs"? Not that I am condoning that they should, they rightly do not. People like you project a difference between subcultures and races, creeds, religions and sexuality, when, at the end of the day, acts of derision to subcultures is prejudiced also. NoSaintButNoSinner
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3:13pm Mon 17 Dec 12

mysay.com says...

I think you missed my point.

the way of dress or culture or background is no excuse and should not be used as such.

My point was that this is was just as much the truth in sophie's case as it was in this case, it is NOT, nor should it be treated as an excuse or reason for mindless violence. or to put it another way.....what is the difference between it being used as an excuse now.....and being used as an excuse then? or whrn was the terminology given copyright in the favour of sylvia?

this tragedy, just as the sophie tragedy, was not due to subculture, or creed, or colour, it was down to mindless violence, lets stop glorifying it and giving it a reason.
I think you missed my point. the way of dress or culture or background is no excuse and should not be used as such. My point was that this is was just as much the truth in sophie's case as it was in this case, it is NOT, nor should it be treated as an excuse or reason for mindless violence. or to put it another way.....what is the difference between it being used as an excuse now.....and being used as an excuse then? or whrn was the terminology given copyright in the favour of sylvia? this tragedy, just as the sophie tragedy, was not due to subculture, or creed, or colour, it was down to mindless violence, lets stop glorifying it and giving it a reason. mysay.com
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3:26pm Mon 17 Dec 12

her from here says...

mysay.com wrote:
I think you missed my point.

the way of dress or culture or background is no excuse and should not be used as such.

My point was that this is was just as much the truth in sophie's case as it was in this case, it is NOT, nor should it be treated as an excuse or reason for mindless violence. or to put it another way.....what is the difference between it being used as an excuse now.....and being used as an excuse then? or whrn was the terminology given copyright in the favour of sylvia?

this tragedy, just as the sophie tragedy, was not due to subculture, or creed, or colour, it was down to mindless violence, lets stop glorifying it and giving it a reason.
Well said just call him what he is a mindless killer no labels just the truth,
If the guns wern't there this would not have happened.
[quote][p][bold]mysay.com[/bold] wrote: I think you missed my point. the way of dress or culture or background is no excuse and should not be used as such. My point was that this is was just as much the truth in sophie's case as it was in this case, it is NOT, nor should it be treated as an excuse or reason for mindless violence. or to put it another way.....what is the difference between it being used as an excuse now.....and being used as an excuse then? or whrn was the terminology given copyright in the favour of sylvia? this tragedy, just as the sophie tragedy, was not due to subculture, or creed, or colour, it was down to mindless violence, lets stop glorifying it and giving it a reason.[/p][/quote]Well said just call him what he is a mindless killer no labels just the truth, If the guns wern't there this would not have happened. her from here
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4:25pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Skettch says...

NateBland wrote:
It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.
Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem.

Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare?
[quote][p][bold]NateBland[/bold] wrote: It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.[/p][/quote]Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem. Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare? Skettch
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5:20pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Good call says...

Skettch wrote:
NateBland wrote:
It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.
Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem.

Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare?
When does a civilian need a pistol.Err, if some scumbag attacks you or there is rioting and mobs start trashing your community.Dont listen to Obaaama if he try's to bring in a semi- automatic weapons ban when he is murdering people in drone strikes in Pakistan.
[quote][p][bold]Skettch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NateBland[/bold] wrote: It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.[/p][/quote]Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem. Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare?[/p][/quote]When does a civilian need a pistol.Err, if some scumbag attacks you or there is rioting and mobs start trashing your community.Dont listen to Obaaama if he try's to bring in a semi- automatic weapons ban when he is murdering people in drone strikes in Pakistan. Good call
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7:04pm Mon 17 Dec 12

sea pigeon says...

It will be difficult to ban guns in America so why not ban the sale of bullets, an easier fix
It will be difficult to ban guns in America so why not ban the sale of bullets, an easier fix sea pigeon
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7:28pm Mon 17 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

Good call wrote:
Skettch wrote:
NateBland wrote:
It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.
Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem.

Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare?
When does a civilian need a pistol.Err, if some scumbag attacks you or there is rioting and mobs start trashing your community.Dont listen to Obaaama if he try's to bring in a semi- automatic weapons ban when he is murdering people in drone strikes in Pakistan.
You may very well be that stupid that the obvious has the be pointed out to you..... but one can't really draw a parallel between unmanned air craft deployed to disrupt terrorist activity and some mentally ill individual murdering children.
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skettch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NateBland[/bold] wrote: It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.[/p][/quote]Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem. Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare?[/p][/quote]When does a civilian need a pistol.Err, if some scumbag attacks you or there is rioting and mobs start trashing your community.Dont listen to Obaaama if he try's to bring in a semi- automatic weapons ban when he is murdering people in drone strikes in Pakistan.[/p][/quote]You may very well be that stupid that the obvious has the be pointed out to you..... but one can't really draw a parallel between unmanned air craft deployed to disrupt terrorist activity and some mentally ill individual murdering children. George White Bread
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8:50pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Good call says...

George White Bread wrote:
Good call wrote:
Skettch wrote:
NateBland wrote:
It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.
Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem.

Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare?
When does a civilian need a pistol.Err, if some scumbag attacks you or there is rioting and mobs start trashing your community.Dont listen to Obaaama if he try's to bring in a semi- automatic weapons ban when he is murdering people in drone strikes in Pakistan.
You may very well be that stupid that the obvious has the be pointed out to you..... but one can't really draw a parallel between unmanned air craft deployed to disrupt terrorist activity and some mentally ill individual murdering children.
According to the Pakistan interior minster, 80% of those killed in drone strikes have been innocents, when will Obama get upset about that. Anyway, the US and UK government are supporting the syrian "rebels" that have been killing civilians and have links to Al Qaeda.By the way,don't support a semi automatic weapons ban.
[quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skettch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NateBland[/bold] wrote: It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.[/p][/quote]Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem. Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare?[/p][/quote]When does a civilian need a pistol.Err, if some scumbag attacks you or there is rioting and mobs start trashing your community.Dont listen to Obaaama if he try's to bring in a semi- automatic weapons ban when he is murdering people in drone strikes in Pakistan.[/p][/quote]You may very well be that stupid that the obvious has the be pointed out to you..... but one can't really draw a parallel between unmanned air craft deployed to disrupt terrorist activity and some mentally ill individual murdering children.[/p][/quote]According to the Pakistan interior minster, 80% of those killed in drone strikes have been innocents, when will Obama get upset about that. Anyway, the US and UK government are supporting the syrian "rebels" that have been killing civilians and have links to Al Qaeda.By the way,don't support a semi automatic weapons ban. Good call
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9:50pm Mon 17 Dec 12

katypri says...

Goths are no worse and no better than anyone else it is only a chosen dress style they are human beings and individual personality, he did not kill because he was a goth, he did not kill because he had mental health issues, many live very productive lives, this guy had many problems and they should not at this stage make a conclution as to why
Goths are no worse and no better than anyone else it is only a chosen dress style they are human beings and individual personality, he did not kill because he was a goth, he did not kill because he had mental health issues, many live very productive lives, this guy had many problems and they should not at this stage make a conclution as to why katypri
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3:22am Tue 18 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

Good call wrote:
George White Bread wrote:
Good call wrote:
Skettch wrote:
NateBland wrote:
It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.
Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem.

Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare?
When does a civilian need a pistol.Err, if some scumbag attacks you or there is rioting and mobs start trashing your community.Dont listen to Obaaama if he try's to bring in a semi- automatic weapons ban when he is murdering people in drone strikes in Pakistan.
You may very well be that stupid that the obvious has the be pointed out to you..... but one can't really draw a parallel between unmanned air craft deployed to disrupt terrorist activity and some mentally ill individual murdering children.
According to the Pakistan interior minster, 80% of those killed in drone strikes have been innocents, when will Obama get upset about that. Anyway, the US and UK government are supporting the syrian "rebels" that have been killing civilians and have links to Al Qaeda.By the way,don't support a semi automatic weapons ban.
Who gives a flying f**k about what the Pakistani interior minister thinks about drone attacks? What has that got to do with a nutter that has gunned down children in cold blood? That's the thing about people like you, you'll use any topic as a soap box for your cause to skew off at a totally unrelated tangent.

"What about the civilians bring killed in Pakistan and Syria?" It is tragic and wrong that this is happening, but it has no relevance whatsoever to a massacre of innocent children at a school in the USA.

Wrong soap box to spout off on here mate.
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skettch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NateBland[/bold] wrote: It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.[/p][/quote]Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem. Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare?[/p][/quote]When does a civilian need a pistol.Err, if some scumbag attacks you or there is rioting and mobs start trashing your community.Dont listen to Obaaama if he try's to bring in a semi- automatic weapons ban when he is murdering people in drone strikes in Pakistan.[/p][/quote]You may very well be that stupid that the obvious has the be pointed out to you..... but one can't really draw a parallel between unmanned air craft deployed to disrupt terrorist activity and some mentally ill individual murdering children.[/p][/quote]According to the Pakistan interior minster, 80% of those killed in drone strikes have been innocents, when will Obama get upset about that. Anyway, the US and UK government are supporting the syrian "rebels" that have been killing civilians and have links to Al Qaeda.By the way,don't support a semi automatic weapons ban.[/p][/quote]Who gives a flying f**k about what the Pakistani interior minister thinks about drone attacks? What has that got to do with a nutter that has gunned down children in cold blood? That's the thing about people like you, you'll use any topic as a soap box for your cause to skew off at a totally unrelated tangent. "What about the civilians bring killed in Pakistan and Syria?" It is tragic and wrong that this is happening, but it has no relevance whatsoever to a massacre of innocent children at a school in the USA. Wrong soap box to spout off on here mate. George White Bread
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3:24am Tue 18 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

George White Bread wrote:
Good call wrote:
George White Bread wrote:
Good call wrote:
Skettch wrote:
NateBland wrote:
It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.
Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem.

Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare?
When does a civilian need a pistol.Err, if some scumbag attacks you or there is rioting and mobs start trashing your community.Dont listen to Obaaama if he try's to bring in a semi- automatic weapons ban when he is murdering people in drone strikes in Pakistan.
You may very well be that stupid that the obvious has the be pointed out to you..... but one can't really draw a parallel between unmanned air craft deployed to disrupt terrorist activity and some mentally ill individual murdering children.
According to the Pakistan interior minster, 80% of those killed in drone strikes have been innocents, when will Obama get upset about that. Anyway, the US and UK government are supporting the syrian "rebels" that have been killing civilians and have links to Al Qaeda.By the way,don't support a semi automatic weapons ban.
Who gives a flying f**k about what the Pakistani interior minister thinks about drone attacks? What has that got to do with a nutter that has gunned down children in cold blood? That's the thing about people like you, you'll use any topic as a soap box for your cause to skew off at a totally unrelated tangent.

"What about the civilians bring killed in Pakistan and Syria?" It is tragic and wrong that this is happening, but it has no relevance whatsoever to a massacre of innocent children at a school in the USA.

Wrong soap box to spout off on here mate.
And why should a ban on any firearms not be supported?
[quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skettch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NateBland[/bold] wrote: It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.[/p][/quote]Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem. Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare?[/p][/quote]When does a civilian need a pistol.Err, if some scumbag attacks you or there is rioting and mobs start trashing your community.Dont listen to Obaaama if he try's to bring in a semi- automatic weapons ban when he is murdering people in drone strikes in Pakistan.[/p][/quote]You may very well be that stupid that the obvious has the be pointed out to you..... but one can't really draw a parallel between unmanned air craft deployed to disrupt terrorist activity and some mentally ill individual murdering children.[/p][/quote]According to the Pakistan interior minster, 80% of those killed in drone strikes have been innocents, when will Obama get upset about that. Anyway, the US and UK government are supporting the syrian "rebels" that have been killing civilians and have links to Al Qaeda.By the way,don't support a semi automatic weapons ban.[/p][/quote]Who gives a flying f**k about what the Pakistani interior minister thinks about drone attacks? What has that got to do with a nutter that has gunned down children in cold blood? That's the thing about people like you, you'll use any topic as a soap box for your cause to skew off at a totally unrelated tangent. "What about the civilians bring killed in Pakistan and Syria?" It is tragic and wrong that this is happening, but it has no relevance whatsoever to a massacre of innocent children at a school in the USA. Wrong soap box to spout off on here mate.[/p][/quote]And why should a ban on any firearms not be supported? George White Bread
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7:16am Tue 18 Dec 12

WingedCreature says...

I am really glad that someone else is speaking out about this. I have been sickened by everyone who commits a crime being labelled "Goth" as well.

Goths are often the victims not the perpetrators as in poor Sophie Lancaster's sad case.

There are not many people that could even tell you what Goth is. Goth to most people is anyone who wears black often. This is one of the reasons I have created my own website about what Goth is for Goths and the general public:

http://www.platypusa
rt.com/whatisgoth/in
dex.html

Goth Characteristics:

“We’re hard-core romantics, dreamy realists and cynical idealists. We find beauty in the macabre, while seeking fairness and tenderness in our daily lives. We love all things ancient, while being modern and liberal in our social outlook. We’re intelligent and creative without being cutthroat and competitive. We’re angry yet peaceful. We’re sure of ourselves but wary of strangers. We’re funny but bitter … but mostly very shy.”-Rebecca Schraffenberger from the book Goth: Undead SubcultureAmazon.com


“Goths are likely to grow up to be doctors, lawyers or architects, the study by Sussex University says. They are refined and sensitive, keen on poetry and books, not big on drugs or anti-social behaviour. They are also likely to carry on being goths into their adult life. They have an ability to express their feelings and are believers in romance rather than one-night stands.” -BBC News Article about Goths - Upwardly Goth

Furthermore, people who commit these violent acts most probably want a bit of fame / to be remembered. It might help to reduce these crimes by not giving them that fame by not using their names / pictures.
I am really glad that someone else is speaking out about this. I have been sickened by everyone who commits a crime being labelled "Goth" as well. Goths are often the victims not the perpetrators as in poor Sophie Lancaster's sad case. There are not many people that could even tell you what Goth is. Goth to most people is anyone who wears black often. This is one of the reasons I have created my own website about what Goth is for Goths and the general public: http://www.platypusa rt.com/whatisgoth/in dex.html Goth Characteristics: “We’re hard-core romantics, dreamy realists and cynical idealists. We find beauty in the macabre, while seeking fairness and tenderness in our daily lives. We love all things ancient, while being modern and liberal in our social outlook. We’re intelligent and creative without being cutthroat and competitive. We’re angry yet peaceful. We’re sure of ourselves but wary of strangers. We’re funny but bitter … but mostly very shy.”-Rebecca Schraffenberger from the book Goth: Undead SubcultureAmazon.com “Goths are likely to grow up to be doctors, lawyers or architects, the study by Sussex University says. They are refined and sensitive, keen on poetry and books, not big on drugs or anti-social behaviour. They are also likely to carry on being goths into their adult life. They have an ability to express their feelings and are believers in romance rather than one-night stands.” -BBC News Article about Goths - Upwardly Goth Furthermore, people who commit these violent acts most probably want a bit of fame / to be remembered. It might help to reduce these crimes by not giving them that fame by not using their names / pictures. WingedCreature
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7:55am Tue 18 Dec 12

katey h says...

the world as a whole is sick and screwed up , america is prob the worst 1, it dont matter how people dress or who they r , its wrong to label any 1 , thinking off sophies mum and the mothers off any 1 murdered weather its guns or any sort off violance its all wrong , the goverment, every country need to wake up shake up and smell the coffee rite now .
the world as a whole is sick and screwed up , america is prob the worst 1, it dont matter how people dress or who they r , its wrong to label any 1 , thinking off sophies mum and the mothers off any 1 murdered weather its guns or any sort off violance its all wrong , the goverment, every country need to wake up shake up and smell the coffee rite now . katey h
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2:55pm Tue 18 Dec 12

mysay.com says...

sorry to point it out again....but this is NOT about, not has it got anything to do with Sophie or Sylie, nor has either incident got anything to do with "goth" or whatever label or excuse you want to give it,

This IS about the 22 other sylvia's....who have had their Sophie's taken away from them.....see the point......tragic loss of a child, who cares why.......we only care that they are gone.....for no reason....so stop giving them excuses or reasons.....they have been taken out of sheer bloody minded, attrocious, mindless violence.

sorry to point out the obvious....but this story is about the deaths of more than just one child......and is not about america.....england.
.........gun crime.......or goths.....this is about the tragic loss of a child...they dont care about one child in bacup...they care about their own child in their own town......could we please show a little compassion and stop trying to steal the focus!!!
sorry to point it out again....but this is NOT about, not has it got anything to do with Sophie or Sylie, nor has either incident got anything to do with "goth" or whatever label or excuse you want to give it, This IS about the 22 other sylvia's....who have had their Sophie's taken away from them.....see the point......tragic loss of a child, who cares why.......we only care that they are gone.....for no reason....so stop giving them excuses or reasons.....they have been taken out of sheer bloody minded, attrocious, mindless violence. sorry to point out the obvious....but this story is about the deaths of more than just one child......and is not about america.....england. .........gun crime.......or goths.....this is about the tragic loss of a child...they dont care about one child in bacup...they care about their own child in their own town......could we please show a little compassion and stop trying to steal the focus!!! mysay.com
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3:55pm Tue 18 Dec 12

bacupbabe says...

mysay.com wrote:
sorry to point it out again....but this is NOT about, not has it got anything to do with Sophie or Sylie, nor has either incident got anything to do with "goth" or whatever label or excuse you want to give it,

This IS about the 22 other sylvia's....who have had their Sophie's taken away from them.....see the point......tragic loss of a child, who cares why.......we only care that they are gone.....for no reason....so stop giving them excuses or reasons.....they have been taken out of sheer bloody minded, attrocious, mindless violence.

sorry to point out the obvious....but this story is about the deaths of more than just one child......and is not about america.....england.

.........gun crime.......or goths.....this is about the tragic loss of a child...they dont care about one child in bacup...they care about their own child in their own town......could we please show a little compassion and stop trying to steal the focus!!!
I couldn't agree more.
[quote][p][bold]mysay.com[/bold] wrote: sorry to point it out again....but this is NOT about, not has it got anything to do with Sophie or Sylie, nor has either incident got anything to do with "goth" or whatever label or excuse you want to give it, This IS about the 22 other sylvia's....who have had their Sophie's taken away from them.....see the point......tragic loss of a child, who cares why.......we only care that they are gone.....for no reason....so stop giving them excuses or reasons.....they have been taken out of sheer bloody minded, attrocious, mindless violence. sorry to point out the obvious....but this story is about the deaths of more than just one child......and is not about america.....england. .........gun crime.......or goths.....this is about the tragic loss of a child...they dont care about one child in bacup...they care about their own child in their own town......could we please show a little compassion and stop trying to steal the focus!!![/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more. bacupbabe
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4:17pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Good call says...

George White Bread wrote:
Good call wrote:
George White Bread wrote:
Good call wrote:
Skettch wrote:
NateBland wrote:
It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.
Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem.

Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare?
When does a civilian need a pistol.Err, if some scumbag attacks you or there is rioting and mobs start trashing your community.Dont listen to Obaaama if he try's to bring in a semi- automatic weapons ban when he is murdering people in drone strikes in Pakistan.
You may very well be that stupid that the obvious has the be pointed out to you..... but one can't really draw a parallel between unmanned air craft deployed to disrupt terrorist activity and some mentally ill individual murdering children.
According to the Pakistan interior minster, 80% of those killed in drone strikes have been innocents, when will Obama get upset about that. Anyway, the US and UK government are supporting the syrian "rebels" that have been killing civilians and have links to Al Qaeda.By the way,don't support a semi automatic weapons ban.
Who gives a flying f**k about what the Pakistani interior minister thinks about drone attacks? What has that got to do with a nutter that has gunned down children in cold blood? That's the thing about people like you, you'll use any topic as a soap box for your cause to skew off at a totally unrelated tangent.

"What about the civilians bring killed in Pakistan and Syria?" It is tragic and wrong that this is happening, but it has no relevance whatsoever to a massacre of innocent children at a school in the USA.

Wrong soap box to spout off on here mate.
I quoted the Pakistan interior minster because you said that drones were "disrupting terrorism".One of the reasons i don't support a ban all firearms is that Adolph Hitler banned Jewish people from owning firearms, and look what happened next.One last thing, what do you mean by "people like you"
[quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skettch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NateBland[/bold] wrote: It's just a way to avoid to what the real issue in American with their gun laws. Alot of people follow the goth culture and don't round shooting people.[/p][/quote]Whilst I agree the gun laws don't help (realistically, when does a civilian EVER need to own a pistol?), I actually disagree that its the main problem. Surely the main problem is the mental healthcare?[/p][/quote]When does a civilian need a pistol.Err, if some scumbag attacks you or there is rioting and mobs start trashing your community.Dont listen to Obaaama if he try's to bring in a semi- automatic weapons ban when he is murdering people in drone strikes in Pakistan.[/p][/quote]You may very well be that stupid that the obvious has the be pointed out to you..... but one can't really draw a parallel between unmanned air craft deployed to disrupt terrorist activity and some mentally ill individual murdering children.[/p][/quote]According to the Pakistan interior minster, 80% of those killed in drone strikes have been innocents, when will Obama get upset about that. Anyway, the US and UK government are supporting the syrian "rebels" that have been killing civilians and have links to Al Qaeda.By the way,don't support a semi automatic weapons ban.[/p][/quote]Who gives a flying f**k about what the Pakistani interior minister thinks about drone attacks? What has that got to do with a nutter that has gunned down children in cold blood? That's the thing about people like you, you'll use any topic as a soap box for your cause to skew off at a totally unrelated tangent. "What about the civilians bring killed in Pakistan and Syria?" It is tragic and wrong that this is happening, but it has no relevance whatsoever to a massacre of innocent children at a school in the USA. Wrong soap box to spout off on here mate.[/p][/quote]I quoted the Pakistan interior minster because you said that drones were "disrupting terrorism".One of the reasons i don't support a ban all firearms is that Adolph Hitler banned Jewish people from owning firearms, and look what happened next.One last thing, what do you mean by "people like you" Good call
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