Rossendale children learn about obscure religions

First published in News

STUDENTS from Rossendale studied a number of obscure religions as part of a county-wide inter-faith project.

Haslingden High School was the only Valley school to take part in the scheme, and the Year 13 pupils’ findings were displayed at an exhibition in Preston.

Ten schools from across Lancashire met up to discuss faiths such as Zoroastrianism and Jainism.

Student Sarah Clapperton said: “We had to find out about Zoroastrianism and discovered it is a religion in India and is closely associated with fire and prophets.

“We then had to make our findings into a display which went on show at the Preston Inter-Faith Week opening ceremony at the Harris Museum.”

A Jain guest speaker also attended school and another student, Amy Nunn, said: “I found it interesting to find out about different religions that I did not know about before. It was also good to see people reading the work that we had done on the display.”

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5:17pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Steve4x4 says...

Kids should be learning about real issues and studying math and english not listening to fairy stories made up by crackpot faith leaders...it's no wonder this country is stuffed.
Kids should be learning about real issues and studying math and english not listening to fairy stories made up by crackpot faith leaders...it's no wonder this country is stuffed. Steve4x4
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5:38pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Iftikhar says...

Children should be taught about living religions so that they could learn to respect and tolerate those who are in their schools or who live near their own homes.

Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society. Multiculturalism can accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious – so that we can create a world without conflict and strife. Britain can assume the role of accommodation and concern for all peoples, for our planet and indeed for our survival. Multi-culturalism is even more important and crucial after 9/11 and 7/7. Muslim youths are also likely to feel alienated by a focus on shared Brutishness, rather than multicultural diversity. Rather than promoting a single British “us” teaching should acknowledge that “us” can be diverse and plural. Children should be encouraged to explore differences in appearance, history and religion to reduce social and educational fears. The pressures of multi-culturalism, racism, bullying and Islamophobia have forced the Muslim community to set up their own schools.There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. Such schools will be able to satisfy the needs and demands of the Muslim children and their parents.

Look around you. Most people love the diversity of multi-cultural Britain. The young adore it. Its only a few noisy Alf Garnets, who history is passing by, who just do not have the intelligence to see their pathetic racist arguments are utterly illogical and worthless. They are passing away daily. Britain today is a multi-cultural society. It will not go backwards. The Alf Garnett UKIP racists (Dave was not wrong) are whistling against the winds of history. We want immigration. We want to ensure we have the tax income to care for our elderly. According to todays Daily Mail "Welfare spending has been pushed up by a 30% leap in the numbers turning 65. More than 720,000 reached that age last year. The biggest number ever". Where is the money going to come from? The elderly are looked after in their old age? If you think your mean spirited racist views will defeat this reality you are living on another planet. You are absolutely entitled to free speech. But free speech not based on facts and reality is simply hot air.

A good school is not just a knowledge factory or a conveyor belt for churning out exam passes - it is a community, a family. A community is held together by common values and principles.

It is a common saying that British schooling is upholding British values of integration, respect, tolerance and equality. But all minority groups find British schooling is the home of institutional racism and British teachers are chicken racist. This is one of the many reason why they would like to see their children attending their own schools with their own teachers. Muslim community started setting up school in the 80s and I set up the first Muslim school in 1981 and now there are 180 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. Sikh and Hindu communities have set up their own schools. Now Black community is thinking of setting up schools with their own teachers.

Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian".

This is sickening. It's no wonder Great Britain is in such a bad shape. Ten years old British girls are having babies out of wedlock. They are not allowed to get married but are allowed to have babies.

Teenage pregnancy rate in Great Britain is the highest in western Europe. It is a civilised country and Yemen is a backward country because it allows young girls to get married.

Who says that Europeans are civilised. They are the most savage people in the world. They are guilty of massacre during the time of Crusade in Jerusalem. They not only slaughtered Arab Muslims but also Arab Christians and Jews. They massacred American Indians in millions. They slaughtered Aborigines who welcomed them in the first place. British massacred millions of Indian Muslims after the War of Independence in 1857. Millions of their children were converted to Christianity by the Christian Missionaries.
Children should be taught about living religions so that they could learn to respect and tolerate those who are in their schools or who live near their own homes. Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society. Multiculturalism can accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious – so that we can create a world without conflict and strife. Britain can assume the role of accommodation and concern for all peoples, for our planet and indeed for our survival. Multi-culturalism is even more important and crucial after 9/11 and 7/7. Muslim youths are also likely to feel alienated by a focus on shared Brutishness, rather than multicultural diversity. Rather than promoting a single British “us” teaching should acknowledge that “us” can be diverse and plural. Children should be encouraged to explore differences in appearance, history and religion to reduce social and educational fears. The pressures of multi-culturalism, racism, bullying and Islamophobia have forced the Muslim community to set up their own schools.There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. Such schools will be able to satisfy the needs and demands of the Muslim children and their parents. Look around you. Most people love the diversity of multi-cultural Britain. The young adore it. Its only a few noisy Alf Garnets, who history is passing by, who just do not have the intelligence to see their pathetic racist arguments are utterly illogical and worthless. They are passing away daily. Britain today is a multi-cultural society. It will not go backwards. The Alf Garnett UKIP racists (Dave was not wrong) are whistling against the winds of history. We want immigration. We want to ensure we have the tax income to care for our elderly. According to todays Daily Mail "Welfare spending has been pushed up by a 30% leap in the numbers turning 65. More than 720,000 reached that age last year. The biggest number ever". Where is the money going to come from? The elderly are looked after in their old age? If you think your mean spirited racist views will defeat this reality you are living on another planet. You are absolutely entitled to free speech. But free speech not based on facts and reality is simply hot air. A good school is not just a knowledge factory or a conveyor belt for churning out exam passes - it is a community, a family. A community is held together by common values and principles. It is a common saying that British schooling is upholding British values of integration, respect, tolerance and equality. But all minority groups find British schooling is the home of institutional racism and British teachers are chicken racist. This is one of the many reason why they would like to see their children attending their own schools with their own teachers. Muslim community started setting up school in the 80s and I set up the first Muslim school in 1981 and now there are 180 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. Sikh and Hindu communities have set up their own schools. Now Black community is thinking of setting up schools with their own teachers. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian". This is sickening. It's no wonder Great Britain is in such a bad shape. Ten years old British girls are having babies out of wedlock. They are not allowed to get married but are allowed to have babies. Teenage pregnancy rate in Great Britain is the highest in western Europe. It is a civilised country and Yemen is a backward country because it allows young girls to get married. Who says that Europeans are civilised. They are the most savage people in the world. They are guilty of massacre during the time of Crusade in Jerusalem. They not only slaughtered Arab Muslims but also Arab Christians and Jews. They massacred American Indians in millions. They slaughtered Aborigines who welcomed them in the first place. British massacred millions of Indian Muslims after the War of Independence in 1857. Millions of their children were converted to Christianity by the Christian Missionaries. Iftikhar
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8:40pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Excluded again says...

Typical of Iftikhar's racist nonsense.

Jainism (with an estimated 4 million plus followers worldwide) and Zoroastrianism (with an estimated 200 000 followers worldwide) are living religions.

Not my cup of tea, but the followers of neither religion seem to do much harm to others - indeed Jainism preaches non-violence.
Typical of Iftikhar's racist nonsense. Jainism (with an estimated 4 million plus followers worldwide) and Zoroastrianism (with an estimated 200 000 followers worldwide) are living religions. Not my cup of tea, but the followers of neither religion seem to do much harm to others - indeed Jainism preaches non-violence. Excluded again
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5:33am Fri 7 Dec 12

jack daniels says...

Excluded again wrote:
Typical of Iftikhar's racist nonsense.

Jainism (with an estimated 4 million plus followers worldwide) and Zoroastrianism (with an estimated 200 000 followers worldwide) are living religions.

Not my cup of tea, but the followers of neither religion seem to do much harm to others - indeed Jainism preaches non-violence.
You beat me to it, clearly Ifty has issues with other cultures and considers himself and his culture far superior - although a quick look in the media shows turmoil throughout the Islamic world
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: Typical of Iftikhar's racist nonsense. Jainism (with an estimated 4 million plus followers worldwide) and Zoroastrianism (with an estimated 200 000 followers worldwide) are living religions. Not my cup of tea, but the followers of neither religion seem to do much harm to others - indeed Jainism preaches non-violence.[/p][/quote]You beat me to it, clearly Ifty has issues with other cultures and considers himself and his culture far superior - although a quick look in the media shows turmoil throughout the Islamic world jack daniels
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9:37am Fri 7 Dec 12

Hacked off too says...

Maybe if we all knew a little more about each other and each other's religious beliefs then we wouldn't be quite so ignorant.
I had never heard of either of these religions until I saw this article. I am at least now better informed.
Maybe if we all knew a little more about each other and each other's religious beliefs then we wouldn't be quite so ignorant. I had never heard of either of these religions until I saw this article. I am at least now better informed. Hacked off too
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10:03am Fri 7 Dec 12

AndyD123 says...

So long as this doesn't interfere with the teaching of more useful subjects then I don't have a problem with it. I do have a problem when fiction is taught as fact (creationism, young earth theory, noahs ark etc) teaching that as fact is like suggesting darth vader really has a space ship that is capable of destroying a planet.
So long as this doesn't interfere with the teaching of more useful subjects then I don't have a problem with it. I do have a problem when fiction is taught as fact (creationism, young earth theory, noahs ark etc) teaching that as fact is like suggesting darth vader really has a space ship that is capable of destroying a planet. AndyD123
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11:21am Fri 7 Dec 12

Another Fenman says...

If, as Iftikhar implies, it is desirable to "accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious", then there should be no reason to "remove the problem of being exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith".
If, as Iftikhar implies, it is desirable to "accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious", then there should be no reason to "remove the problem of [Muslim pupils] being exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith". Another Fenman
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5:57pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Iftikhar says...

Another Fenman says...
11:21am Fri 7 Dec 12

If, as Iftikhar implies, it is desirable to "accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious", then there should be no reason to "remove the problem of being exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith".”

Let bilingual Muslim children develop thie rcultural, linguistic and spiritual Identities before they are exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith.

A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities.

Muslim community not only needs Mosques but also state funded Muslim schools for their bilingual children. They need to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the national Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They also need to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit.
Another Fenman says... 11:21am Fri 7 Dec 12 If, as Iftikhar implies, it is desirable to "accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious", then there should be no reason to "remove the problem of being exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith".” Let bilingual Muslim children develop thie rcultural, linguistic and spiritual Identities before they are exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith. A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim community not only needs Mosques but also state funded Muslim schools for their bilingual children. They need to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the national Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They also need to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. Iftikhar
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6:44pm Fri 7 Dec 12

jack daniels says...

Iftikhar wrote:
Another Fenman says...
11:21am Fri 7 Dec 12

If, as Iftikhar implies, it is desirable to "accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious", then there should be no reason to "remove the problem of being exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith".”

Let bilingual Muslim children develop thie rcultural, linguistic and spiritual Identities before they are exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith.

A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities.

Muslim community not only needs Mosques but also state funded Muslim schools for their bilingual children. They need to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the national Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They also need to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit.
Which all adds up to somebody who is not here for what we offer but for what he can take. Todays paper said that 20% of males in our youth jails are Muslim. It seems that a Muslim based education clearly doesn't work and that more time and effort needs spending on OUR western values and laws
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: Another Fenman says... 11:21am Fri 7 Dec 12 If, as Iftikhar implies, it is desirable to "accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious", then there should be no reason to "remove the problem of being exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith".” Let bilingual Muslim children develop thie rcultural, linguistic and spiritual Identities before they are exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith. A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim community not only needs Mosques but also state funded Muslim schools for their bilingual children. They need to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the national Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They also need to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit.[/p][/quote]Which all adds up to somebody who is not here for what we offer but for what he can take. Todays paper said that 20% of males in our youth jails are Muslim. It seems that a Muslim based education clearly doesn't work and that more time and effort needs spending on OUR western values and laws jack daniels
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7:27pm Fri 7 Dec 12

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

I'm not getting in to a conversation about the subject at hand, but a few people have mentioned about concentrating on maths and english etc. It says they are year 13 students, that's the 2nd year of 6th form/college age so they will have a minimum of 5 years high school maths and english under their belt already and even more if they picked it at 6th form.

Carry on arguing :)
I'm not getting in to a conversation about the subject at hand, but a few people have mentioned about concentrating on maths and english etc. It says they are year 13 students, that's the 2nd year of 6th form/college age so they will have a minimum of 5 years high school maths and english under their belt already and even more if they picked it at 6th form. Carry on arguing :) HelmshoreMan2010
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8:30pm Fri 7 Dec 12

jack daniels says...

Iftikhar wrote:
Another Fenman says...
11:21am Fri 7 Dec 12

If, as Iftikhar implies, it is desirable to "accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious", then there should be no reason to "remove the problem of being exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith".”

Let bilingual Muslim children develop thie rcultural, linguistic and spiritual Identities before they are exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith.

A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities.

Muslim community not only needs Mosques but also state funded Muslim schools for their bilingual children. They need to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the national Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They also need to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit.
If the conflict between western culture and your faith are such a concern then why do you remain here when clearly you and your environment don't seem compatible?
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: Another Fenman says... 11:21am Fri 7 Dec 12 If, as Iftikhar implies, it is desirable to "accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious", then there should be no reason to "remove the problem of being exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith".” Let bilingual Muslim children develop thie rcultural, linguistic and spiritual Identities before they are exposed to values that conflict with Islamic faith. A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim community not only needs Mosques but also state funded Muslim schools for their bilingual children. They need to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the national Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They also need to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit.[/p][/quote]If the conflict between western culture and your faith are such a concern then why do you remain here when clearly you and your environment don't seem compatible? jack daniels
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1:37am Sat 8 Dec 12

jack daniels says...

Yet many people suffer racist attacks at the hands of Muslims. Your faith tells you we are gorah and your comments in in your diatribes are insulting yet you have the brass neck to voice your bigotry on here and claim to be the victim.

Again you demand your culture and your faith should hold presidence in our country when it is you who should yield to our democratic and humanist 21st century culture. Maybe it is you that is the problem as the way of life you are promoting is clear flawed judging by the number of Muslims in our LT
Yet many people suffer racist attacks at the hands of Muslims. Your faith tells you we are gorah and your comments in in your diatribes are insulting yet you have the brass neck to voice your bigotry on here and claim to be the victim. Again you demand your culture and your faith should hold presidence in our country when it is you who should yield to our democratic and humanist 21st century culture. Maybe it is you that is the problem as the way of life you are promoting is clear flawed judging by the number of Muslims in our LT jack daniels
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1:39am Sat 8 Dec 12

jack daniels says...

.... Criminal system.
.... Criminal system. jack daniels
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11:33am Sun 9 Dec 12

jack daniels says...

Iftikhar wrote:
Todays paper said that 20% of males in our youth jails are Muslim. It seems that a Muslim based education clearly doesn't work and that more time and effort needs spending on OUR western values and laws”

We live in a shrunken world and millions of people are on the move; one of our biggest challenges is how we learn to live in proximity to difference – different skin colours, different beliefs and different way of life. According to a study by COMPAS, Muslims born and educated were given the impression of outsiders. The perception among Muslims is that they are unwelcome in Britain is undermining efforts to help them integrate into wider society. Most of them say that they have experienced race discrimination and religious prejudice. Muslims and Islam is promoted a fundamentalist and separatist by the western elite, which have negative impact on community and social cohesion. The number of racist incidents occurring in London Borough of Redbridge’s schools have reached their highest levels since record begin.

Human being is a product of his culture, language and faith. There is a positive co-relation between language and culture. If Muslims become notoriously monolingual Brits than there is a likely hood that they will adopt English culture. They will still be the underdogs of the British society. In the past they were victim of ****-bashing in all walks of life by the British society because majority of them were not well versed in local accents. Now Muslim youths born and educated by British education system are being victim of terrorism by British establishment. Thousands of them are being searched by Police in streets and many of them are behind the bar without any trial. A lot of Muslim youths are imprisoned by British courts on the slightest excuses. Another Muslim sex case from the North West. Kasim Hussain from Darwen guilty of raping two girls, aged 14 and 15 was sentenced to 13 years in prison. He is the product of British schooling with non-Muslim monolingual teachers.He finds himself cut off from his cultural heritage and are unable to enjoy the beauty of his literature and poetry. He is notoriously monolingual Brit. Like other Brits, he is involved in binge drinking, drug addiction and sexual grooming of underage native girls. The number of Muslim prisoners is on the increase in British jails. When they come out of jail they will become real criminals and terrorists while British foreign minister has said that Muslims are law abiding and committed citizens.

The largest ethnic minority groups in British schools are children of Pakistani origin: a community often accused of resisting assimilation and integration. Ann Cryer, the MP for Keighley blamed Imams for not speaking English. She should blame British schooling for not teaching Urdu/Arabic to Pakistani children, thus depriving them of understanding the Sermons in Arabic/Urdu. They are unable to enjoy the beauty of Urdu/Arabic literature and poetry. Imams are not part of the problem rather than the solutions. There is a proposal to teach Urdu as a compulsory language instead of French and German in British schools. The British Government is urged to remove the requirement in the National Curriculum that children between the ages of 11-14 study at least one European language. The linguistic abilities of large number of Muslim children were being ignored because they had to learn another European language as well as mastering English. The Government must promote the status of Urdu language instead of languages of European origin. Tim Benson, head of Nelson primary school in Newham said that the “nationalistic curriculum failed to recognize the staggering array of linguistic abilities and competencies” in schools such as his, where the pupils spoke more than 40 languages. The linguistic dexterity of families speaking an array of languages was celebrated but the “awesome achievements” of children mastering three or four languages were barely recognised by the education system. Social and emotional education comes with your own language-literature and poetry. A DFE document clearly states that children should be encouraged to maintain and develop their home languages. A study shows that bilingualism is a positive benefit to cognitive development and bilingual teacher is a dire necessity and is a role model. The price of ignoring children’s bilingualism is educational failure and social exclusion. Bilingualism could be developed by bringing a partner from Pakistan. The kids will get better at both languages. One will speak English while the other will speak Urdu.

The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslim community is not asking for any favour. Muslim community pays all sorts of taxes and is less burden on social services.

I have been campaigning for state funded Muslim schools for the last 40 years because British schooling is the home of institutional racism and British teachers are chicken racists. British teachers are not role models for Muslim children during their developmental periods.

I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are about 180 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim school with bilingual Muslim
teachers as role model. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Only less than 10% Muslim children are in Muslim schools whhile over 90% have no alternative but to attend state schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non Muslim monolingual teachers.

Church leaders say it is no longer "appropriate" for them to run Sacred Heart RC Primary School which has just six Christian pupils. The school in Blackburn, Lancs, could be handed to the nearby Masjid-e-Tauheedul mosque.

Harry Devonport of Blackburn with Darwen Council Children's Services, said the decision to abandon the school was made by the Diocese of Salford. Diocese education director Geraldine Bradbury said: "We have never experienced a change to this extent before. We would not be serving the local community by insisting that we run the school. It brings things like having a Catholic head teacher and devoting 10% of the timetable to RE. "It would be wrong of us to insist on putting a school community through
that."

There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
IA
Yet British Muslims attend madressa to address the issue of Islamic learning and still commit these crimes. These Asian heritage British Muslims don't need to learn the history of country they don't live in, they need to learn about where they are now and it's people that hold on to a flawed medieval caste system and impose it on confused Muslim minds that are at fault
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: Todays paper said that 20% of males in our youth jails are Muslim. It seems that a Muslim based education clearly doesn't work and that more time and effort needs spending on OUR western values and laws” We live in a shrunken world and millions of people are on the move; one of our biggest challenges is how we learn to live in proximity to difference – different skin colours, different beliefs and different way of life. According to a study by COMPAS, Muslims born and educated were given the impression of outsiders. The perception among Muslims is that they are unwelcome in Britain is undermining efforts to help them integrate into wider society. Most of them say that they have experienced race discrimination and religious prejudice. Muslims and Islam is promoted a fundamentalist and separatist by the western elite, which have negative impact on community and social cohesion. The number of racist incidents occurring in London Borough of Redbridge’s schools have reached their highest levels since record begin. Human being is a product of his culture, language and faith. There is a positive co-relation between language and culture. If Muslims become notoriously monolingual Brits than there is a likely hood that they will adopt English culture. They will still be the underdogs of the British society. In the past they were victim of ****-bashing in all walks of life by the British society because majority of them were not well versed in local accents. Now Muslim youths born and educated by British education system are being victim of terrorism by British establishment. Thousands of them are being searched by Police in streets and many of them are behind the bar without any trial. A lot of Muslim youths are imprisoned by British courts on the slightest excuses. Another Muslim sex case from the North West. Kasim Hussain from Darwen guilty of raping two girls, aged 14 and 15 was sentenced to 13 years in prison. He is the product of British schooling with non-Muslim monolingual teachers.He finds himself cut off from his cultural heritage and are unable to enjoy the beauty of his literature and poetry. He is notoriously monolingual Brit. Like other Brits, he is involved in binge drinking, drug addiction and sexual grooming of underage native girls. The number of Muslim prisoners is on the increase in British jails. When they come out of jail they will become real criminals and terrorists while British foreign minister has said that Muslims are law abiding and committed citizens. The largest ethnic minority groups in British schools are children of Pakistani origin: a community often accused of resisting assimilation and integration. Ann Cryer, the MP for Keighley blamed Imams for not speaking English. She should blame British schooling for not teaching Urdu/Arabic to Pakistani children, thus depriving them of understanding the Sermons in Arabic/Urdu. They are unable to enjoy the beauty of Urdu/Arabic literature and poetry. Imams are not part of the problem rather than the solutions. There is a proposal to teach Urdu as a compulsory language instead of French and German in British schools. The British Government is urged to remove the requirement in the National Curriculum that children between the ages of 11-14 study at least one European language. The linguistic abilities of large number of Muslim children were being ignored because they had to learn another European language as well as mastering English. The Government must promote the status of Urdu language instead of languages of European origin. Tim Benson, head of Nelson primary school in Newham said that the “nationalistic curriculum failed to recognize the staggering array of linguistic abilities and competencies” in schools such as his, where the pupils spoke more than 40 languages. The linguistic dexterity of families speaking an array of languages was celebrated but the “awesome achievements” of children mastering three or four languages were barely recognised by the education system. Social and emotional education comes with your own language-literature and poetry. A DFE document clearly states that children should be encouraged to maintain and develop their home languages. A study shows that bilingualism is a positive benefit to cognitive development and bilingual teacher is a dire necessity and is a role model. The price of ignoring children’s bilingualism is educational failure and social exclusion. Bilingualism could be developed by bringing a partner from Pakistan. The kids will get better at both languages. One will speak English while the other will speak Urdu. The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslim community is not asking for any favour. Muslim community pays all sorts of taxes and is less burden on social services. I have been campaigning for state funded Muslim schools for the last 40 years because British schooling is the home of institutional racism and British teachers are chicken racists. British teachers are not role models for Muslim children during their developmental periods. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are about 180 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim school with bilingual Muslim teachers as role model. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Only less than 10% Muslim children are in Muslim schools whhile over 90% have no alternative but to attend state schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non Muslim monolingual teachers. Church leaders say it is no longer "appropriate" for them to run Sacred Heart RC Primary School which has just six Christian pupils. The school in Blackburn, Lancs, could be handed to the nearby Masjid-e-Tauheedul mosque. Harry Devonport of Blackburn with Darwen Council Children's Services, said the decision to abandon the school was made by the Diocese of Salford. Diocese education director Geraldine Bradbury said: "We have never experienced a change to this extent before. We would not be serving the local community by insisting that we run the school. It brings things like having a Catholic head teacher and devoting 10% of the timetable to RE. "It would be wrong of us to insist on putting a school community through that." There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. IA[/p][/quote]Yet British Muslims attend madressa to address the issue of Islamic learning and still commit these crimes. These Asian heritage British Muslims don't need to learn the history of country they don't live in, they need to learn about where they are now and it's people that hold on to a flawed medieval caste system and impose it on confused Muslim minds that are at fault jack daniels
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4:22pm Mon 10 Dec 12

GHH says...

Christianity is the largest religion of Great Britain and has been since the Early Middle Ages. 26 million adherents to Anglicanism, plus 5 million adherents to Catholicism, The Church of Scotland, has 2 million. Numerous non-Christian religions are practised in Great Britain, with around 1.5 million adherents in Britain to Islam, plus 1 million people practise either Hinduism, Sikhism or Buddhism.
What makes Iftikhar think that a section of the community which is obviously in the minority, dictate to the rest of the us, what should be taught in British schools!
...when in Rome.....
Christianity is the largest religion of Great Britain and has been since the Early Middle Ages. 26 million adherents to Anglicanism, plus 5 million adherents to Catholicism, The Church of Scotland, has 2 million. Numerous non-Christian religions are practised in Great Britain, with around 1.5 million adherents in Britain to Islam, plus 1 million people practise either Hinduism, Sikhism or Buddhism. What makes Iftikhar think that a section of the community which is obviously in the minority, dictate to the rest of the us, what should be taught in British schools! ...when in Rome..... GHH
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9:25pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Iftikhar says...

Muslim schools are for Muslim children and there is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Sharia laws are for the Muslims and nothing to do with non-Muslims. Mosques are only for Muslims.
Muslim schools are for Muslim children and there is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Sharia laws are for the Muslims and nothing to do with non-Muslims. Mosques are only for Muslims. Iftikhar
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