Burnley nursery told to pay £5 per child to use reservoir site

ANGER Neil and Ian Whalley

ANGER Neil and Ian Whalley

First published in Worsthorne Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Crime reporter

NURSERY children have been left devastated after their outdoor nature classes were stopped due to a row over the site.

Staff at Kiddiwinks Day Care in Worsthorne have been taking two groups of under five’s to Hurstwood Reservoir to explore small sections of the woodland for bugs and insects.

The nursery was the first to sign up to the Government's new Forest Schools programme three months ago.

The scheme aims to encourage children to find out more about nature and wildlife.

But bosses from land owners United Utilities have told the nursery it must pay £5 per child and apply for a permit to continue using the site.

It said three complaints had been received about an area of land being roped off.

Karen Hutchinson, leader of the Forrest School programme at Kiddiwinks, said: “We have been running the programme since March and it has proved a massive hit with both children and parents.

“A ranger told us we had to start paying £5 per child and get a permit but we just can’t afford that, as we provide the programme free of charge.

“So for the time being we have had to cancel the sessions.”

Ian Whalley, 73, of Burnley Road, Cliviger, said his grandson had been left in tears since hearing the news.

He said: “I thinks its appalling. The lessons are educational and are helping the children to learn at a young age about the importance of nature.

"My grandson came home in floods of tears. That's not fair as they cause no bother.”

Nursery bosses are now appealing for other land owners to give them permission to explore their land.

A spokesman for United Utilities said: “One of our rangers is helping the owner of a privately owned nursery to obtain the correct legal safety permits to access UU land for the purpose of the Forest Schools initiative.

“The owners are aware of the need for a permit for the last four weeks and our land agent is in the process of arranging one for them as quickly as possible.”

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10:31am Sat 4 Jun 11

Lifeinthemix says...

United Utilities is owned by the American NSA....how long are we to put up with this garbage?
United Utilities is owned by the American NSA....how long are we to put up with this garbage? Lifeinthemix
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11:15am Sat 4 Jun 11

MerlinTheVoiceofReason2 says...

Lifeinthemix wrote:
United Utilities is owned by the American NSA....how long are we to put up with this garbage?
Any evidence or just a wild conspiracy theory?
[quote][p][bold]Lifeinthemix[/bold] wrote: United Utilities is owned by the American NSA....how long are we to put up with this garbage?[/p][/quote]Any evidence or just a wild conspiracy theory? MerlinTheVoiceofReason2
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11:28am Sat 4 Jun 11

Seneca says...

MerlinTheVoiceofReas
on2
wrote:
Lifeinthemix wrote:
United Utilities is owned by the American NSA....how long are we to put up with this garbage?
Any evidence or just a wild conspiracy theory?
Is he a conspiracy theorist or is that just a conspiracy against him.
[quote][p][bold]MerlinTheVoiceofReas on2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lifeinthemix[/bold] wrote: United Utilities is owned by the American NSA....how long are we to put up with this garbage?[/p][/quote]Any evidence or just a wild conspiracy theory?[/p][/quote]Is he a conspiracy theorist or is that just a conspiracy against him. Seneca
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11:31am Sat 4 Jun 11

Seneca says...

oops forgot the issue....
Sod UU, just invade the land.
oops forgot the issue.... Sod UU, just invade the land. Seneca
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1:00pm Sat 4 Jun 11

midas says...

When one of the children gets injured and the parents sue UU for thousands perhaps you will start to understand why, in this age of "no win no fee", companies have to be cautious.
When one of the children gets injured and the parents sue UU for thousands perhaps you will start to understand why, in this age of "no win no fee", companies have to be cautious. midas
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2:26pm Sat 4 Jun 11

Lifeinthemix says...

MerlinTheVoiceofReas
on2
wrote:
Lifeinthemix wrote:
United Utilities is owned by the American NSA....how long are we to put up with this garbage?
Any evidence or just a wild conspiracy theory?
I do not present information that is not provable, this is how I know it.....
.
you have to consider the Telegraphs position, I have to look out for thgeir interests to, so i cannot present everything here.
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the problem at present is the fact they have killed my main website, so I cannot send you to the evidence as I cannot place it here without causing grief for the Telegraph itself.
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the local rags are not allowed to report outside local issues, the same for local radio stations...so say the Media Standards Trust which is controlled by Chatsworth House via common purpose.
[quote][p][bold]MerlinTheVoiceofReas on2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lifeinthemix[/bold] wrote: United Utilities is owned by the American NSA....how long are we to put up with this garbage?[/p][/quote]Any evidence or just a wild conspiracy theory?[/p][/quote]I do not present information that is not provable, this is how I know it..... . you have to consider the Telegraphs position, I have to look out for thgeir interests to, so i cannot present everything here. . the problem at present is the fact they have killed my main website, so I cannot send you to the evidence as I cannot place it here without causing grief for the Telegraph itself. . the local rags are not allowed to report outside local issues, the same for local radio stations...so say the Media Standards Trust which is controlled by Chatsworth House via common purpose. Lifeinthemix
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9:58pm Sat 4 Jun 11

Ronnietate says...

When we start to have to spend extra money on permits and fees it's a bad sign. In the U.S. parents unfortunately have to pay all kinds of extra fees for their kids. Everything from fees for P.E. and music lessons, to fees for lunch time and break time supervision, the list goes on and on. I really hope we are not headed the same way.
When we start to have to spend extra money on permits and fees it's a bad sign. In the U.S. parents unfortunately have to pay all kinds of extra fees for their kids. Everything from fees for P.E. and music lessons, to fees for lunch time and break time supervision, the list goes on and on. I really hope we are not headed the same way. Ronnietate
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11:09am Tue 7 Jun 11

bikerjohn_uk says...

Questions - did the nursery seek permission from UU before venturing on to their land, away from the public rights of way? Did they seek permission to rope areas off? A fiver says that they didn't. I don't think any of us would like it if someone brought a group of children onto our properties without having the common courtesy to seek permission. Technically they are trespassing if they leave the public rights of way, and whilst trespass is not a criminal offence, it is a civil offence and can still lead to litigation. If they stay on the rights of way (which can be determined by looking at the definitive maps for the area), then there isn't much that UU can do, but if they stray off them...well I'd say UU are well within their rights to charge for the privilege. However, having said that it does seem extremely petty to penalise a group of pre-schoolers and their carers who in all likelihood are not causing an problems
Questions - did the nursery seek permission from UU before venturing on to their land, away from the public rights of way? Did they seek permission to rope areas off? A fiver says that they didn't. I don't think any of us would like it if someone brought a group of children onto our properties without having the common courtesy to seek permission. Technically they are trespassing if they leave the public rights of way, and whilst trespass is not a criminal offence, it is a civil offence and can still lead to litigation. If they stay on the rights of way (which can be determined by looking at the definitive maps for the area), then there isn't much that UU can do, but if they stray off them...well I'd say UU are well within their rights to charge for the privilege. However, having said that it does seem extremely petty to penalise a group of pre-schoolers and their carers who in all likelihood are not causing an problems bikerjohn_uk
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