Call for Rosegrove station to join Leeds line

RAIL passengers in Burnley and Padiham should be given help to reach extra job opportunities outside Lancashire, says an MP.

Gordon Birtwistle, the borough’s Liberal Democrat MP, is calling on public transport bosses to consider including Rosegrove station on the Blackpool North to York route.

Regular services currently call at Accrington and Burnley Manchester Road stations, en-route to Huddersfield, Halifax, Bradford and Leeds.

But Mr Birtwistle believes that by including Rosegrove on the timetable, the route will become more accessible to passengers in Rosegrove, Lowerhouse, the Stoops Estate, Hapton and Padiham.

He is also pressing ahead with demands that the Todmoden Curve, to provide a faster rail service to Manchester, should be reinstated.

The MP said: “It is vital for the economic development of Burnley that our transport infrastructure is raised to a standard which is appropriate for a town of our stature.

“Burnley has also been deprived of a fast and direct route into Manchester for years and this situation has to change.”

Mr Birtwistle has also repeated demands for the town’s Manchester Road station to be upgraded.

Last year Network Rail officials insisted that work on Manchester Road could not begin until 2011 because of funding problems.

The MP added: “The station serves around 200,000 people every year, a figure that has increased by around 25 per cent in the last five years.

“It is therefore very important that this station has the facilities to accommodate these passengers.”

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10:50am Wed 15 Sep 10

Ian_G says...

Why should the train, that currently only stops in major population centres right down the line, have an extra stop in Burnley?

If people can't be bothered to go the extra mile and a half to Burnley Manchester Road, they're not going to be bothered to travel to a job in Leeds or Bradford!

I totally agree with the calls for the direct rail link to Manchester but this is an unreasonable demand.
Why should the train, that currently only stops in major population centres right down the line, have an extra stop in Burnley? If people can't be bothered to go the extra mile and a half to Burnley Manchester Road, they're not going to be bothered to travel to a job in Leeds or Bradford! I totally agree with the calls for the direct rail link to Manchester but this is an unreasonable demand. Ian_G

11:17am Wed 15 Sep 10

fatgit says...

One of the problems with Manchester Road station is that it handles way more passengers per year than intended and is hugely over capacity - in fact, it handles so many it should be manned.
The lack of parking is also a huge problem in surrounding streets, as some commuters park inconsiderately in nearby residential areas.
By including Rosegrove, you at least spread some of the passenger load. It isn't ideal, and Manchester Road desperately needs an upgrade (but be honest, where are they going to expand to?), but as a short term measure, it could definitely help, although admittedly, it would add a few minutes onto journey times.
One of the problems with Manchester Road station is that it handles way more passengers per year than intended and is hugely over capacity - in fact, it handles so many it should be manned. The lack of parking is also a huge problem in surrounding streets, as some commuters park inconsiderately in nearby residential areas. By including Rosegrove, you at least spread some of the passenger load. It isn't ideal, and Manchester Road desperately needs an upgrade (but be honest, where are they going to expand to?), but as a short term measure, it could definitely help, although admittedly, it would add a few minutes onto journey times. fatgit

11:42am Wed 15 Sep 10

Gaius Grossus says...

If they doubled the track at Nelson and Colne,and also at stations between Blackburn and Bolton it would give extra capacity to allow a direct Colne Manchester service which would benefit all East Lancs and not just 1 part
If they doubled the track at Nelson and Colne,and also at stations between Blackburn and Bolton it would give extra capacity to allow a direct Colne Manchester service which would benefit all East Lancs and not just 1 part Gaius Grossus

11:47am Wed 15 Sep 10

ricksh says...

Gaius Grossus wrote:
If they doubled the track at Nelson and Colne,and also at stations between Blackburn and Bolton it would give extra capacity to allow a direct Colne Manchester service which would benefit all East Lancs and not just 1 part
good point there gaius it would help the whole of east lancs but the only problem that we would have is that there is only one platform at colne brierfield and burnley central stations
[quote][p][bold]Gaius Grossus[/bold] wrote: If they doubled the track at Nelson and Colne,and also at stations between Blackburn and Bolton it would give extra capacity to allow a direct Colne Manchester service which would benefit all East Lancs and not just 1 part[/p][/quote]good point there gaius it would help the whole of east lancs but the only problem that we would have is that there is only one platform at colne brierfield and burnley central stations ricksh

1:46pm Wed 15 Sep 10

Noiticer says...

Whilst the idea of stopping additional trains at Rosegrove has some merit facilities there would need upgrading as currently they are very basic. Rosegrove would make a good location for Park & Ride but, again, investment is required. Perhaps Mr Birtwistle would remind his LibDem MP colleague - Mr Baker, who just happens to be a minister of Transport with responsibilty foir railways, that in the recent General Election he promised many new miles of reopened railway and many new stations if elected. No doubt, judging by developments since, those ideas have been shunted into a siding!
Whilst the idea of stopping additional trains at Rosegrove has some merit facilities there would need upgrading as currently they are very basic. Rosegrove would make a good location for Park & Ride but, again, investment is required. Perhaps Mr Birtwistle would remind his LibDem MP colleague - Mr Baker, who just happens to be a minister of Transport with responsibilty foir railways, that in the recent General Election he promised many new miles of reopened railway and many new stations if elected. No doubt, judging by developments since, those ideas have been shunted into a siding! Noiticer

3:00pm Wed 15 Sep 10

notchuffed says...

Cllr Birtwistle can call as loud and as often as he wants and it won't make the slightest difference. If it isn't centred around or towards London, transport investment is a zilch area.

All pretty much like the General Hospital in Burnley. Let's face reality as far as our, once great, town is concerned. There has been so much negative publicity sensationalised in the press that we are looked on as
i) Somewhere to get your name linked to if you wish to grab headlines. for something not even remotely connected to Burnley.
ii) Give the impression you truly care (HRH PC - MPS in the decline - People or organisations wanting to make their areas look good by using brushed over statistics about Burnley to set against their area.
Historically the powers that be helped to and ensured that Burnley formerly known "King Cotton" was dead and will not be allowed to reign again in any industry.

TIME TO USE SOME POSITIVES; so much good has come from Burnley over the years in all walks of life Medicine-Engineering
-Innovation - Sporting achievements it is time these were emphasised instead of the negatives to help raise the image

.Modern day sports achievers Neil Hodgson - Jimmy Anderson - Craig Heap .
Entertainment- "Norris from Corry and latterly Sir Ian Mckellen, composer John Pickard. Lords Willis and Waddington
Pioneering: Sir James Mackenzie (Cardiology), Sir Willis Jackson (Engineering), James Drake (Motorways).

So let's hear it in the positive for the town of Burnley
Cllr Birtwistle can call as loud and as often as he wants and it won't make the slightest difference. If it isn't centred around or towards London, transport investment is a zilch area. All pretty much like the General Hospital in Burnley. Let's face reality as far as our, once great, town is concerned. There has been so much negative publicity sensationalised in the press that we are looked on as i) Somewhere to get your name linked to if you wish to grab headlines. for something not even remotely connected to Burnley. ii) Give the impression you truly care (HRH PC - MPS in the decline - People or organisations wanting to make their areas look good by using brushed over statistics about Burnley to set against their area. Historically the powers that be helped to and ensured that Burnley formerly known "King Cotton" was dead and will not be allowed to reign again in any industry. TIME TO USE SOME POSITIVES; so much good has come from Burnley over the years in all walks of life Medicine-Engineering -Innovation - Sporting achievements it is time these were emphasised instead of the negatives to help raise the image .Modern day sports achievers Neil Hodgson - Jimmy Anderson - Craig Heap . Entertainment- "Norris from Corry and latterly Sir Ian Mckellen, composer John Pickard. Lords Willis and Waddington Pioneering: Sir James Mackenzie (Cardiology), Sir Willis Jackson (Engineering), James Drake (Motorways). So let's hear it in the positive for the town of Burnley notchuffed

6:32pm Wed 15 Sep 10

birdkeith says...

yes well where to start?i must admit that im not a great fan of our lib/dem MP birtwhistle,he has bad habits of
making claims which are not very well thought out,like this one,yes there is some merit in what he says but the idea is unworkable,where on earth can manchester road station be expanded to?quite simply it cant,by far the best idea comes from the person advocating the doubling up of the track through to colne,rosegrove has a two sided platform and maybe hes forgotten but so does barracks,its a long time since it was used but its there none the less central has two platforms ,or did,and if not it can easily be reinstated,likewise brierfield,
and to my memory,theres plenty of room at colne,so adopt this idea bertie,
but when you do dont claim it as your own,thats your biggest fault,making
claims in your favour when its the result of other peoples work,dont just keep on banging on a empty tin cos it makes the loudest noise,another failing by the way
yes well where to start?i must admit that im not a great fan of our lib/dem MP birtwhistle,he has bad habits of making claims which are not very well thought out,like this one,yes there is some merit in what he says but the idea is unworkable,where on earth can manchester road station be expanded to?quite simply it cant,by far the best idea comes from the person advocating the doubling up of the track through to colne,rosegrove has a two sided platform and maybe hes forgotten but so does barracks,its a long time since it was used but its there none the less central has two platforms ,or did,and if not it can easily be reinstated,likewise brierfield, and to my memory,theres plenty of room at colne,so adopt this idea bertie, but when you do dont claim it as your own,thats your biggest fault,making claims in your favour when its the result of other peoples work,dont just keep on banging on a empty tin cos it makes the loudest noise,another failing by the way birdkeith

6:34pm Wed 15 Sep 10

birdkeith says...

yes well where to start?i must admit that im not a great fan of our lib/dem MP birtwhistle,he has bad habits of
making claims which are not very well thought out,like this one,yes there is some merit in what he says but the idea is unworkable,where on earth can manchester road station be expanded to?quite simply it cant,by far the best idea comes from the person advocating the doubling up of the track through to colne,rosegrove has a two sided platform and maybe hes forgotten but so does barracks,its a long time since it was used but its there none the less central has two platforms ,or did,and if not it can easily be reinstated,likewise brierfield,
and to my memory,theres plenty of room at colne,so adopt this idea bertie,
but when you do dont claim it as your own,thats your biggest fault,making
claims in your favour when its the result of other peoples work,dont just keep on banging on a empty tin cos it makes the loudest noise,another failing by the way
yes well where to start?i must admit that im not a great fan of our lib/dem MP birtwhistle,he has bad habits of making claims which are not very well thought out,like this one,yes there is some merit in what he says but the idea is unworkable,where on earth can manchester road station be expanded to?quite simply it cant,by far the best idea comes from the person advocating the doubling up of the track through to colne,rosegrove has a two sided platform and maybe hes forgotten but so does barracks,its a long time since it was used but its there none the less central has two platforms ,or did,and if not it can easily be reinstated,likewise brierfield, and to my memory,theres plenty of room at colne,so adopt this idea bertie, but when you do dont claim it as your own,thats your biggest fault,making claims in your favour when its the result of other peoples work,dont just keep on banging on a empty tin cos it makes the loudest noise,another failing by the way birdkeith

7:05pm Wed 15 Sep 10

blylad says...

Ian_G wrote:
Why should the train, that currently only stops in major population centres right down the line, have an extra stop in Burnley? If people can't be bothered to go the extra mile and a half to Burnley Manchester Road, they're not going to be bothered to travel to a job in Leeds or Bradford! I totally agree with the calls for the direct rail link to Manchester but this is an unreasonable demand.
Goog point Ian G. Where would it stop? Would the people of Huncoat, Mill Hill, Rishton or Pleasington soon want their own connection to Leeds. A ten minute bus ride from most areas of Burnley will get you to Manchester Rd station- if people can't factor in this time to their journey then they don't deserve a job in Leeds/Bradford etc. What this town needs is a direct rail link to Manchester- open up better links and it should lead to greater prosperity for the town. Although there has been some bad press about Burnley lately, there are many plus points to the town- I for one will be living here for years to come and love to see the many great changes!!
[quote][p][bold]Ian_G[/bold] wrote: Why should the train, that currently only stops in major population centres right down the line, have an extra stop in Burnley? If people can't be bothered to go the extra mile and a half to Burnley Manchester Road, they're not going to be bothered to travel to a job in Leeds or Bradford! I totally agree with the calls for the direct rail link to Manchester but this is an unreasonable demand.[/p][/quote]Goog point Ian G. Where would it stop? Would the people of Huncoat, Mill Hill, Rishton or Pleasington soon want their own connection to Leeds. A ten minute bus ride from most areas of Burnley will get you to Manchester Rd station- if people can't factor in this time to their journey then they don't deserve a job in Leeds/Bradford etc. What this town needs is a direct rail link to Manchester- open up better links and it should lead to greater prosperity for the town. Although there has been some bad press about Burnley lately, there are many plus points to the town- I for one will be living here for years to come and love to see the many great changes!! blylad

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