Burnley menace, 14, gets ASBO

12:53pm Wednesday 30th June 2010 in Rosegrove Photograph of the Author By Peter Magill, Chief reporter

ASBO: Charlie ‘Charlie Chipps’ Green ASBO: Charlie ‘Charlie Chipps’ Green

A YOUNG troublemaker from Burnley has been placed under a series of curbs to prevent him from running amok in Rosegrove and Lowerhouse.

Police have secured an anti-social behaviour order (ASBO) against Charlie Green, known as Charlie Chipps, to try to control his antics until he is at least 16.

But an attempt to ban him from a wide area of Rosegrove failed during a hearing at Reedley Magistrates Court.

His solicitor David Leach successfully argued that the restriction would be too onerous for the teenager.

Green, 14, of Liverpool Road, has been told by magistrates he must not use threatening or abusive language, which includes making rude gestures.

He has been arrested for no fewer than nine kinds of offences in recent months, and has been warned about throwing items at people.

He has also been banned from hanging out with two named accomplices – and must not approach or intimidate three victims he has tormented previously.

Part of the ASBO also bars him from riding or being carried on a motorbike on any private land in Burnley.

But the court did not uphold another order, set to expire on Sunday, which banned him from going to Anglesey Avenue in Lowerhouse unless he was accompanied by a responsible adult.

The same order had banned him from entering the grounds of Hameldon Community College, Shuttleworth Community College or Lowerhouse Primary School unless taking part in an educational activity.

He was also prevented from attending Kiddrow Lane’s health centre unless he had a pre-booked appointment or it was an emergency.

Inspector Nick Hodgeson said: “Anti-social behaviour is a key concern for local communities and the police, along with partner agencies like Burnley Council, take a very firm stance on it.

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“Hopefully this ASBO will help reassure communities.”

If you see Green breaking the terms of his new ASBO call police on 01282 425001.

Comments (29)

1:01pm Wed 30 Jun 10

useyourhead says...

this young man must be a real problem if they have identified him, but the more people who know the less likely he is to re-offend i suppose, hopefully, maybe, actually no that should probably read less likely to get away with further offending, because he will probably not change, not many do!
this young man must be a real problem if they have identified him, but the more people who know the less likely he is to re-offend i suppose, hopefully, maybe, actually no that should probably read less likely to get away with further offending, because he will probably not change, not many do! useyourhead

1:29pm Wed 30 Jun 10

Stevo says...

They should force him into the army and let him learn discipline - that would act two fold - 1) protect the people of the area where he is terrorsiing, and 2) prevent him from being in the areas he's banned from - therfore unable to 'break his ASBO'.

But of course, this would be an 'invasion of his human rights' - instead, he 'must' be able to stay were he is, do what he wants, be arrested numerous times for breaking his asbo, and cause misery to peoples lives. But don't worry, when he gets caught, the punishment is extremely severe - he gets told 'your still being a naughty little boy - don't do it again, or we will shout at you once more'.

Pathetic isn't it!
They should force him into the army and let him learn discipline - that would act two fold - 1) protect the people of the area where he is terrorsiing, and 2) prevent him from being in the areas he's banned from - therfore unable to 'break his ASBO'. But of course, this would be an 'invasion of his human rights' - instead, he 'must' be able to stay were he is, do what he wants, be arrested numerous times for breaking his asbo, and cause misery to peoples lives. But don't worry, when he gets caught, the punishment is extremely severe - he gets told 'your still being a naughty little boy - don't do it again, or we will shout at you once more'. Pathetic isn't it! Stevo

1:32pm Wed 30 Jun 10

Allan Whitehead says...

Here is one of those Youths that needs to be forced to join the British Army. Some army training will certainly teach him who is BOSS. From the article it seems he just ignores any strict warnings This ASBO, will only act like a bravado award, he will be king pin to his mates. He as defiance carved all over his face. Yet his parents will think he is an angel, and everyone else is wrong. If he was a mad dog he would have been no longer here.

If this youth dosen't turn his life around, he will eventually finish up doing a life sentence.
Here is one of those Youths that needs to be forced to join the British Army. Some army training will certainly teach him who is BOSS. From the article it seems he just ignores any strict warnings This ASBO, will only act like a bravado award, he will be king pin to his mates. He as defiance carved all over his face. Yet his parents will think he is an angel, and everyone else is wrong. If he was a mad dog he would have been no longer here. If this youth dosen't turn his life around, he will eventually finish up doing a life sentence. Allan Whitehead

1:42pm Wed 30 Jun 10

useyourhead says...

love the way they describe the little horrors behaviour as 'antics'. Is that in some way supposed to make him any less of a social canker sore?
love the way they describe the little horrors behaviour as 'antics'. Is that in some way supposed to make him any less of a social canker sore? useyourhead

1:44pm Wed 30 Jun 10

Allan Whitehead says...

Stevo wrote:
They should force him into the army and let him learn discipline - that would act two fold - 1) protect the people of the area where he is terrorsiing, and 2) prevent him from being in the areas he's banned from - therfore unable to 'break his ASBO'. But of course, this would be an 'invasion of his human rights' - instead, he 'must' be able to stay were he is, do what he wants, be arrested numerous times for breaking his asbo, and cause misery to peoples lives. But don't worry, when he gets caught, the punishment is extremely severe - he gets told 'your still being a naughty little boy - don't do it again, or we will shout at you once more'. Pathetic isn't it!
Stevo, This boy needs some severe discipline like we have both implied.

Unfortunately, it is the system that lets us down, this young child has been in trouble that many times, and only received warnings. You can only warn some one twice, the third time it as to be some serious punishment, away from civilisation, and amongst person who can make his life a misery, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
[quote][p][bold]Stevo[/bold] wrote: They should force him into the army and let him learn discipline - that would act two fold - 1) protect the people of the area where he is terrorsiing, and 2) prevent him from being in the areas he's banned from - therfore unable to 'break his ASBO'. But of course, this would be an 'invasion of his human rights' - instead, he 'must' be able to stay were he is, do what he wants, be arrested numerous times for breaking his asbo, and cause misery to peoples lives. But don't worry, when he gets caught, the punishment is extremely severe - he gets told 'your still being a naughty little boy - don't do it again, or we will shout at you once more'. Pathetic isn't it![/p][/quote]Stevo, This boy needs some severe discipline like we have both implied. Unfortunately, it is the system that lets us down, this young child has been in trouble that many times, and only received warnings. You can only warn some one twice, the third time it as to be some serious punishment, away from civilisation, and amongst person who can make his life a misery, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Allan Whitehead

1:51pm Wed 30 Jun 10

time.team says...

Obviously a troubled youngster!
Whatever the reason or cause something has to be done to stop him interfering with ordinary peoples lives. If it’s a mental problem which seems to be the case then treat the problem. If it’s just a case of upbringing then he should be looked after elsewhere. Probably attention seeking knowing that what effect his misbehaviour has will provide just that. Whatever!
But something constructive has to be done and ASBO’s have not made much impression on him so far. Stands a good chance he’ll just turn out to be a menace to everyone all of his life unless a proper family environment, medicinal or lawful judgment can be found without any further delay.
Obviously a troubled youngster!
Obviously a troubled youngster! Whatever the reason or cause something has to be done to stop him interfering with ordinary peoples lives. If it’s a mental problem which seems to be the case then treat the problem. If it’s just a case of upbringing then he should be looked after elsewhere. Probably attention seeking knowing that what effect his misbehaviour has will provide just that. Whatever! But something constructive has to be done and ASBO’s have not made much impression on him so far. Stands a good chance he’ll just turn out to be a menace to everyone all of his life unless a proper family environment, medicinal or lawful judgment can be found without any further delay. Obviously a troubled youngster! time.team

3:10pm Wed 30 Jun 10

andy1 says...

Better still and cheaper give him what most of all of us got a good hiding off dad or if hes not around an Uncle or other male. Im a Socialist but realise the social experiment of kindness does not work for theese kids. Bring back the cane to inschool theres more violence on the Streets and in Schools etc since it was banned and sod the Human Rights lot.
Better still and cheaper give him what most of all of us got a good hiding off dad or if hes not around an Uncle or other male. Im a Socialist but realise the social experiment of kindness does not work for theese kids. Bring back the cane to inschool theres more violence on the Streets and in Schools etc since it was banned and sod the Human Rights lot. andy1

3:52pm Wed 30 Jun 10

midas says...

Why would the Army want him? Its not a dumping ground for social delinquents but a professional body that wants committed soldiers not press ganged yobs!
Why would the Army want him? Its not a dumping ground for social delinquents but a professional body that wants committed soldiers not press ganged yobs! midas

5:29pm Wed 30 Jun 10

Tetley Drinker says...

I blame his coaching at the Burnley FC Gawthorpe training complex;-)
I blame his coaching at the Burnley FC Gawthorpe training complex;-) Tetley Drinker

5:36pm Wed 30 Jun 10

Davidoff says...

Agree with Midas.

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As to 'obviously a trouble youngster'. You mean like the thousands of other 'troubled youngsters' around this country that have been allowed to get away with their behaviour because they know the law won't touch them, and they know perfectly well if an adult touches them eg gives them a good walloping which they rightly deserve TBH because clearly they might not be getting that at home (this is what happens when people have children usually at a far younger age, behaviour is taught at home usually and just copying what the parents is like, so they are just replicating this out on the streets, they aren't taught right from wrong because the parents don't know what this is either nor care for that matter).

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Sorry but some people are born this way, nothing to do with any 'problems' ... in the 80s it was 'e numbers' and the excuse that went with them ... it all boils down to one thing: the parents of these children and the child themselves not being nor being capable of taking responsibility for their own destructive actions. In the old days it used to be the excuse 'it wasn't me it was someone down the road did it'. Exactly the same thing still goes on now but with bigger and better excuses, now it's something 'medical' ... no, it's because people are incapable of taking responsibility they are the ones to blame, no one made them act like that.

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ASBOS are a waste of time, they were years ago - kids being sent on expensive holidays and still are, what do the victims of these people get? nothing! they get no support, sod all after these savages have torn through their lives and the worse thing is, these days they are getting younger and younger, how many times have I seen a very young child with a brick in their hands in some rougher areas, egged on by the older children and, very disturbingly, by 'adults' sometimes to smash someone's window ... These are no longer children's games but something entirely different.

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It's a total joke anyway when you consider that adults can be sent down for failure to pay a TV licence, council tax yet these tikes get away with murder and aren't touched by the law. Something very wrong with justice in this country if you can be imprisoned for those things above yet you act like this tike has you are left to continue.

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No excuses, deal with them appropriately. By removing them completely from the areas they live in and punishing them.
Agree with Midas. . As to 'obviously a trouble youngster'. You mean like the thousands of other 'troubled youngsters' around this country that have been allowed to get away with their behaviour because they know the law won't touch them, and they know perfectly well if an adult touches them eg gives them a good walloping which they rightly deserve TBH because clearly they might not be getting that at home (this is what happens when people have children usually at a far younger age, behaviour is taught at home usually and just copying what the parents is like, so they are just replicating this out on the streets, they aren't taught right from wrong because the parents don't know what this is either nor care for that matter). . Sorry but some people are born this way, nothing to do with any 'problems' ... in the 80s it was 'e numbers' and the excuse that went with them ... it all boils down to one thing: the parents of these children and the child themselves not being nor being capable of taking responsibility for their own destructive actions. In the old days it used to be the excuse 'it wasn't me it was someone down the road did it'. Exactly the same thing still goes on now but with bigger and better excuses, now it's something 'medical' ... no, it's because people are incapable of taking responsibility they are the ones to blame, no one made them act like that. . ASBOS are a waste of time, they were years ago - kids being sent on expensive holidays and still are, what do the victims of these people get? nothing! they get no support, sod all after these savages have torn through their lives and the worse thing is, these days they are getting younger and younger, how many times have I seen a very young child with a brick in their hands in some rougher areas, egged on by the older children and, very disturbingly, by 'adults' sometimes to smash someone's window ... These are no longer children's games but something entirely different. . It's a total joke anyway when you consider that adults can be sent down for failure to pay a TV licence, council tax yet these tikes get away with murder and aren't touched by the law. Something very wrong with justice in this country if you can be imprisoned for those things above yet you act like this tike has you are left to continue. . No excuses, deal with them appropriately. By removing them completely from the areas they live in and punishing them. Davidoff

5:52pm Wed 30 Jun 10

ste.g says...

kids of today fear nothing thanks to all the interfering from the do-gooders.
they know full well if you raise an hand to them they will sue etc.
bring back fear in their lives and see the difference.
every kid will push to see how much they can get away with,and when nothing is done to stop them they push harder,asbos are a joke,try talking to them they tell you to fick off.
borstal would sort this blert right out.
kids of today fear nothing thanks to all the interfering from the do-gooders. they know full well if you raise an hand to them they will sue etc. bring back fear in their lives and see the difference. every kid will push to see how much they can get away with,and when nothing is done to stop them they push harder,asbos are a joke,try talking to them they tell you to fick off. borstal would sort this blert right out. ste.g

5:58pm Wed 30 Jun 10

Tetley Drinker says...

These are hard-line comments. but what about the adult equivalents in blue-pinstripe suits shamelessly abusing their expense accounts?
These are hard-line comments. but what about the adult equivalents in blue-pinstripe suits shamelessly abusing their expense accounts? Tetley Drinker

6:10pm Wed 30 Jun 10

Teeks says...

ste.g wrote:
kids of today fear nothing thanks to all the interfering from the do-gooders.
they know full well if you raise an hand to them they will sue etc.
bring back fear in their lives and see the difference.
every kid will push to see how much they can get away with,and when nothing is done to stop them they push harder,asbos are a joke,try talking to them they tell you to fick off.
borstal would sort this blert right out.
I agree Ste, i'll gladly hand out the cuffingds to these "Feral" Children, they are out of hand and will continue to be so unless the laws change and you can get a good hiding off a copper or your teacher! Didnt do my Dad any harm all them years ago.
[quote][p][bold]ste.g[/bold] wrote: kids of today fear nothing thanks to all the interfering from the do-gooders. they know full well if you raise an hand to them they will sue etc. bring back fear in their lives and see the difference. every kid will push to see how much they can get away with,and when nothing is done to stop them they push harder,asbos are a joke,try talking to them they tell you to fick off. borstal would sort this blert right out.[/p][/quote]I agree Ste, i'll gladly hand out the cuffingds to these "Feral" Children, they are out of hand and will continue to be so unless the laws change and you can get a good hiding off a copper or your teacher! Didnt do my Dad any harm all them years ago. Teeks

6:17pm Wed 30 Jun 10

Ian_G says...

You wouldn't get this little moron throwing things at people and calling them what he wanted if he was petrified that he'd get a slap in return.

Instead, whoever he chooses to victimise has to turn the other cheek and let him do it for fear of criminalising themselves because of our pathetic legal system that protects him instead of punishing him.
You wouldn't get this little moron throwing things at people and calling them what he wanted if he was petrified that he'd get a slap in return. Instead, whoever he chooses to victimise has to turn the other cheek and let him do it for fear of criminalising themselves because of our pathetic legal system that protects him instead of punishing him. Ian_G

6:19pm Wed 30 Jun 10

Tetley Drinker says...

But do you not think the area he was born and brought up in might be a factor?
But do you not think the area he was born and brought up in might be a factor? Tetley Drinker

7:12pm Wed 30 Jun 10

mental red says...

Little tosser of the highest order , who along with it parents or its guardians , should be removed from Burnley and Lancashire , to save us the time and money keeping an eye on him
Little tosser of the highest order , who along with it parents or its guardians , should be removed from Burnley and Lancashire , to save us the time and money keeping an eye on him mental red

7:38pm Wed 30 Jun 10

baileybobs says...

is mums in the tim bobbin pub at tea time downing lager
is mums in the tim bobbin pub at tea time downing lager baileybobs

7:46pm Wed 30 Jun 10

ste.g says...

baileybobs wrote:
is mums in the tim bobbin pub at tea time downing lager
why am i not surprised...
[quote][p][bold]baileybobs[/bold] wrote: is mums in the tim bobbin pub at tea time downing lager[/p][/quote]why am i not surprised... ste.g

11:28pm Wed 30 Jun 10

useyourhead says...

spare the rod and spoil the child.
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we are now seeing the results of the abolishment of corporal punishment!
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we are now in the grip of the second generation of this p.c piddle.
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imagine what the generations to come will be like.
spare the rod and spoil the child. = we are now seeing the results of the abolishment of corporal punishment! - we are now in the grip of the second generation of this p.c piddle. - imagine what the generations to come will be like. useyourhead

8:57am Thu 1 Jul 10

lancastrian lass says...

Akon he ain't related to you is he? :-)
The guy needs to be disciplined like the good old days when the cane was around!
Akon he ain't related to you is he? :-) The guy needs to be disciplined like the good old days when the cane was around! lancastrian lass

10:43am Thu 1 Jul 10

Black Car Guy. says...

Christ almighty. I bet his mum says he is a sweet little angel and the police should catch real criminals. I bet she is high on drugs and drunk as a skunk. I bet he is this way because his mum has not said i love you to him for about 5 mins. How about eye for an eye. throw things at him and abuse him. See how he likes it.
Christ almighty. I bet his mum says he is a sweet little angel and the police should catch real criminals. I bet she is high on drugs and drunk as a skunk. I bet he is this way because his mum has not said i love you to him for about 5 mins. How about eye for an eye. throw things at him and abuse him. See how he likes it. Black Car Guy.

11:59am Thu 1 Jul 10

Mikeee47 says...

Simple answer, simple solution 2 yrs in a young offenders institute will keep this little scrote off the streets,
If these kids can't or won't abide the Law, take their liberty, it's not hard, the Parents should be made to suffer the hands of the courts too, if they can't control their kids they shouldn't have them in the 1st place, it's a case of Monkee see monkee do, with most of the scum we put up with these days.
Simple answer, simple solution 2 yrs in a young offenders institute will keep this little scrote off the streets, If these kids can't or won't abide the Law, take their liberty, it's not hard, the Parents should be made to suffer the hands of the courts too, if they can't control their kids they shouldn't have them in the 1st place, it's a case of Monkee see monkee do, with most of the scum we put up with these days. Mikeee47

12:27pm Thu 1 Jul 10

Tetley Drinker says...

Why not make him mow the pitch at the Turf? Now that really is a case of doing hard time;-)
Why not make him mow the pitch at the Turf? Now that really is a case of doing hard time;-) Tetley Drinker

5:40pm Thu 1 Jul 10

Chris P Bacon says...

Tetley Drinker wrote:
Why not make him mow the pitch at the Turf? Now that really is a case of doing hard time;-)
Yeah, with a pair of nail scissors. That'll learn him!
[quote][p][bold]Tetley Drinker[/bold] wrote: Why not make him mow the pitch at the Turf? Now that really is a case of doing hard time;-)[/p][/quote]Yeah, with a pair of nail scissors. That'll learn him! Chris P Bacon

9:11pm Fri 2 Jul 10

tanny-bly says...

What a lot of judgmental crowd of commenters - casting stones!!! Are you all and yours all innocent????!!! This boy has been deal with by the court and that should be the conclusion! but unfortunately his family still have issues to deal with without everbody casting aspersions on the whole family. Making damaging comments about his mum doesnt help. Obviously the person who seems to know that his mum is in the Tim Bobbin at teatime must be there themselves!!!!!! Thats strange because lots of people have seen his mum working hard at teatime every day!!You cant just blame mum!!!
Look at yourselves!!!!! You dont know what your own family can turn out like!!!
What a lot of judgmental crowd of commenters - casting stones!!! Are you all and yours all innocent????!!! This boy has been deal with by the court and that should be the conclusion! but unfortunately his family still have issues to deal with without everbody casting aspersions on the whole family. Making damaging comments about his mum doesnt help. Obviously the person who seems to know that his mum is in the Tim Bobbin at teatime must be there themselves!!!!!! Thats strange because lots of people have seen his mum working hard at teatime every day!!You cant just blame mum!!! Look at yourselves!!!!! You dont know what your own family can turn out like!!! tanny-bly

1:17am Sat 3 Jul 10

Captain Kickoff says...

I've met Charlie. I didn't know who he was at the time, he was just introduced to me as "my nephew" by a friend.
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He was respectful, polite and was quite happy to help me lift and carry some stuff, without being asked.
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I knew he was no angel... he was wearing a tag, but I treat people as I find them.
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I don't know his mum, but his uncle is a fine, upsanding member of the community who is definitely known for a firm but fair attitude. He's put a lot of time Charlie's way, so I don't think it's fair to put a general blame on his family. Charlie has to want the help adn support.
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These stories are never as black and white as you read them and I'm sure there is a lot more to the story that we don't know. We shouldn't really be so quick to judge.
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Maybe if I hadn't met him I'd have posted something different. It made me think though.
I've met Charlie. I didn't know who he was at the time, he was just introduced to me as "my nephew" by a friend. . He was respectful, polite and was quite happy to help me lift and carry some stuff, without being asked. . I knew he was no angel... he was wearing a tag, but I treat people as I find them. . I don't know his mum, but his uncle is a fine, upsanding member of the community who is definitely known for a firm but fair attitude. He's put a lot of time Charlie's way, so I don't think it's fair to put a general blame on his family. Charlie has to want the help adn support. . These stories are never as black and white as you read them and I'm sure there is a lot more to the story that we don't know. We shouldn't really be so quick to judge. . Maybe if I hadn't met him I'd have posted something different. It made me think though. Captain Kickoff

7:57pm Sun 4 Jul 10

Burnley student says...

Some good points there Captain Kickoff, I think some of these people just come on here to blow off steam.

it's a shame that one kid gets so much attention when there are hundreds of young people in Burnley doing good things, thing is they don't make as good a story because they do it every single week.
Some people just read the paper and take it as gospel and tarnish all of us with the same brush.
Some good points there Captain Kickoff, I think some of these people just come on here to blow off steam. it's a shame that one kid gets so much attention when there are hundreds of young people in Burnley doing good things, thing is they don't make as good a story because they do it every single week. Some people just read the paper and take it as gospel and tarnish all of us with the same brush. Burnley student

2:11pm Mon 5 Jul 10

BurnleyReader says...

a few years ago i had the misfortune of meeting green, on several occasions, i know first hand what he is like, he is wild and out of control!

don't be fooled by any comments made on here about him being a misunderstood young man!

this boy knows exactly what he is doing, he is remorseless and persistant, he picks on vulnerable people, with his usually plentiful chav friends, who usually are found smashing something or someone!

what i can't understand is why this person continually is handed out the asbo 'punishment' as it clearly fails to prevent him commiting further crimes. and why an asbo that applies to 1 area should not be upheld in another area which he is notoriously known for the same behaviour!?
a few years ago i had the misfortune of meeting green, on several occasions, i know first hand what he is like, he is wild and out of control! don't be fooled by any comments made on here about him being a misunderstood young man! this boy knows exactly what he is doing, he is remorseless and persistant, he picks on vulnerable people, with his usually plentiful chav friends, who usually are found smashing something or someone! what i can't understand is why this person continually is handed out the asbo 'punishment' as it clearly fails to prevent him commiting further crimes. and why an asbo that applies to 1 area should not be upheld in another area which he is notoriously known for the same behaviour!? BurnleyReader

9:20pm Mon 5 Jul 10

Captain Kickoff says...

BurnleyReader - I'm under no illusion, I don't think in any way he's 'misunderstood'. He's been a bad b*gger and I'm glad he wasn't living on my doorstep.
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You're right though, clearly the ASBOs aren't the right punishment for him. I think they only work on cases where there the person has a fear of losing something such as money (fine) or independence (prison) if they breach it.
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I don't know what would work. If I had the solution to stop young people bahaving badly I'd probably be a wealthy person!
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Burnley Student - we all know there are good, young people out there doing good things in the town. Maybe we don't appreciate them enough.
BurnleyReader - I'm under no illusion, I don't think in any way he's 'misunderstood'. He's been a bad b*gger and I'm glad he wasn't living on my doorstep. . You're right though, clearly the ASBOs aren't the right punishment for him. I think they only work on cases where there the person has a fear of losing something such as money (fine) or independence (prison) if they breach it. . I don't know what would work. If I had the solution to stop young people bahaving badly I'd probably be a wealthy person! . Burnley Student - we all know there are good, young people out there doing good things in the town. Maybe we don't appreciate them enough. Captain Kickoff

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