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10:00am Thursday 25th February 2010 in
RESIDENTS and traders are fighting plans to create a gipsy caravan site in the middle of their town.
A petition containing more than 50 signatures has been collected against the plans to create a permanent caravan site in Padiham.
However, all borough councils are committed to making provision for gipsy communities.
The site, at the rear Peel Street and Pendle Street, was formerly a builders yard and is currently vacant.
The proposal involves placing three caravans on the site and a small single-storey building for shower and toilet facilities.
The site would accommodate one family of up to 23 people.
Two car parking spaces would be provided on site.
But Paul Howard, of Peel Street, who lives directly in front of the site earmarked for the caravans, said he was concerned about the impact it would have on his two children.
“I have two young boys aged 11 and 14 and they are at the age where they are very impressionable,” he said.
“I don’t want them falling in with the wrong crowd or getting into any trouble.
"If these families were racing around on scrambler bikes then my children would be interested in that.
“The noise nuisance is another major issue. The site is that close to my house that if they are up until the early hours of the morning then my children are going to be unable to sleep.
“They are both at critical stages of their education and I can’t have them being kept up all hours because of noise.”
A campaign to try and stop the gipsy site has been started by local councillor Frank Cant, who has been collecting signatures for the petition and distributing leaflets to local residents.
Coun Cant said: “Having spoken to many residents about the plans, I think they are all against it.
“There are very good planning reasons for it to be rejected, but I know certain people have gut reactions about these sort of things.
“It would be very, very dangerous for access and would create noise and anti-social behaviour problems.
“The site is not big enough for three caravans, it is an awkward shape and I just can’t see how three caravans will fit there.”
Local businesses including the chip shop and newsagents have all joined the campaign against the plans.
Karen McEwan, of Pendle Street, said the plans would make parking problems worse on the street.
She said: “Nine times out of ten you can’t park outside your house anyway.
"This will only make things worse. The family are going to have cars and will have visitors who have to park somewhere.
“There is simply not enough room to have the site here.
"I am not against travellers but this is not the right location for them. There isn’t enough access space for them.”
Residents have also spoken of the impact a caravan site would have on the local community.
Kelly Marshall, of Peel Street, said: “The site isn’t big enough and it will create tension between the family and the rest of the street.”
Despite the protests, the council could be in a position where they have to approve the site, because of a Government policy that obliges local authorities to allow some gipsy sites in their area.
A spokesman for the applicant said: “A Government circular states Local Planning Authorities are required to make adequate provision for gipsy sites in their development plans.
“Currently there are no identified sites for gipsies and travellers within Burnley.
“In conclusion it is reasoned that the proposal provides a suitable gipsy caravan site and would assist in meeting the demand and need to provide gipsy and traveller sites within the borough of Burnley.”
Comments(38)
Akki
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11:17am Thu 25 Feb 10
Mikeee47
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11:34am Thu 25 Feb 10
Izanears
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11:53am Thu 25 Feb 10
Gaius Grossus
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12:57pm Thu 25 Feb 10
Mikeee47
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1:13pm Thu 25 Feb 10
Izanears wrote:Yet they can send in 60 police officers in riot gear to raid a pub in Blackburn. We live in sorry times when even the people employed to serve & protect US,can't & won't do their job.
I do wish people would differentiate between gypsies and travellers. Today there are few genuine gypsies, those who generally park illegally are travellers. There is a world of difference. By the way. Did anyone else read the newspaper report yesterday where the police had found a stolen vehicle on an illegal travellers site, but dare not go and get it back, for fear of being attacked?
AnthonyUK
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1:46pm Thu 25 Feb 10
Padiham_Teacher
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4:36pm Thu 25 Feb 10
ganja man
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6:03pm Thu 25 Feb 10
hoodle
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9:35pm Thu 25 Feb 10
truepadihamer
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12:28am Fri 26 Feb 10
MargretofBurnley
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2:42pm Fri 26 Feb 10
RAyzer
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3:23pm Fri 26 Feb 10
Padiham_Teacher wrote:TYPICAL!!! brainwashed by labour,speak your mind,dont hide behind fire risks ETC..you dont want gypsys near your house!!!as for the counciller( cant),OBVIOUSLY hes going to be bending over backwards to help,weather hes any good or not,youl find out.....and il bet you DONT even live on that street your just a government or council employee!!
I am a resident of Pendle Street and am in the (un)enviable position of being one of the four or five properties directly overlooking this proposed site. I, along with my immediate neighbours am not pleased that this could potentially happen but our response must be measured and restrained. What must not happen is what I fear has begun to happen whereby the main response to the planning application is 'We don't want gypsies or travellers in our town'. This cannot be the response and those of us who are actually going to be affected by the plans are being very careful to state our case properly. My appeal is this: if your involvement in the case is merely cries of 'We don't want the likes of you in our town!', please stay well clear of any planning meetings. Already, I've had BNP propaganda through my door about how this is yet another sign of our nation's demise at the hands of outsiders and ne'er do wells. Well no it isn’t, so don’t try and use it to your advantage! We, the immediate neighbours are not most worried about who intends to take up residency on the site, we are worried about the already horrific parking situation on the street (yes, I’m talking to the chippy customers who choose to abandon their cars anywhere on the street of an evening!), the already disgusting state of the street (is it possible that Pendle Street is never even visited by street cleaners?!) and above all we are worried about how on earth the fire service would access our homes if they have to battle past a permanent traveller camp on our back street (on top of the abandoned chippy customer cars!).
As for people being disparaging about Cllr Cant, I can state categorically that so far he has been nothing but helpful and supportive. I don’t want this to turn into one of those awful L.E.T ranting message board wars about politics, race or religion; this is actually about hardworking taxpayers using their freedom of speech to defend what is theirs.
Finally, to those of you who have been making abusive and angry calls to the Planning Office, please stop immediately! You are not helping our case! Plus, the people you are abusing are merely the people who receive and process the planning proposals. In other words, more innocent and hardworking taxpayers!
The residents affected by this proposal sincerely appreciate your input on the matter but please work with us to ensure that it is dealt with in the best possible manner.
RAyzer
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3:24pm Fri 26 Feb 10
truepadihamer
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3:39pm Fri 26 Feb 10
RAyzer
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7:13am Sat 27 Feb 10
ganja man wrote:all th comments on here are from councillers and folk who know nothing about gypsies...........i live on 3 sites,oswaldtwistle,
Classic case of NIMBY! Build the gypsy site in Padiham as is required by the law.
Gypsies too have rights to resources as other groups do in society.
Why are some people so scared of people who have a different culture and lifestyle?
Gypsies are good natured people who d little harm to others.
BNP activists are no doubt spreading lies about this site.
Usual suspects at it in Padiham
RAyzer
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7:17am Sat 27 Feb 10
RAyzer
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7:22am Sat 27 Feb 10
truepadihamer
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1:09pm Sat 27 Feb 10
kimduccs
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11:10pm Sat 27 Feb 10
Padiham_Teacher wrote:I work in the chippy on Pendle Street and I would agree with the teacher that we are objecting to the proposed plans on the grounds of access, size and suitability. We are working hard at finding alternative suggestions for the council that would not disturb any residential area, but that would fulfil the council's legal obligations in providing suitable land.
I am a resident of Pendle Street and am in the (un)enviable position of being one of the four or five properties directly overlooking this proposed site. I, along with my immediate neighbours am not pleased that this could potentially happen but our response must be measured and restrained. What must not happen is what I fear has begun to happen whereby the main response to the planning application is 'We don't want gypsies or travellers in our town'. This cannot be the response and those of us who are actually going to be affected by the plans are being very careful to state our case properly. My appeal is this: if your involvement in the case is merely cries of 'We don't want the likes of you in our town!', please stay well clear of any planning meetings. Already, I've had BNP propaganda through my door about how this is yet another sign of our nation's demise at the hands of outsiders and ne'er do wells. Well no it isn’t, so don’t try and use it to your advantage! We, the immediate neighbours are not most worried about who intends to take up residency on the site, we are worried about the already horrific parking situation on the street (yes, I’m talking to the chippy customers who choose to abandon their cars anywhere on the street of an evening!), the already disgusting state of the street (is it possible that Pendle Street is never even visited by street cleaners?!) and above all we are worried about how on earth the fire service would access our homes if they have to battle past a permanent traveller camp on our back street (on top of the abandoned chippy customer cars!). As for people being disparaging about Cllr Cant, I can state categorically that so far he has been nothing but helpful and supportive. I don’t want this to turn into one of those awful L.E.T ranting message board wars about politics, race or religion; this is actually about hardworking taxpayers using their freedom of speech to defend what is theirs. Finally, to those of you who have been making abusive and angry calls to the Planning Office, please stop immediately! You are not helping our case! Plus, the people you are abusing are merely the people who receive and process the planning proposals. In other words, more innocent and hardworking taxpayers! The residents affected by this proposal sincerely appreciate your input on the matter but please work with us to ensure that it is dealt with in the best possible manner.
RAyzer
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8:31am Sun 28 Feb 10
truepadihamer wrote:its already be passed for the proposals you clown...read the facts!!!as for not knowing about pendle street,i know 2 landlords on there,and nobody in padiham wants this not just 30 people...counciller cants like kitty ussher....CHOCOLATE FIREGUARD!!!!typical of labour!!!true padihamer AKA labour boy!!!!all padiham know counciller cant by name by nature!!!!!
RAyzer, It sounds like this is a BNP rant to me, are you a BNP Councillor in diguise?? As I said before 'the site is not big enough or suitable' for the purpose. There is plenty of land in Padiham that is but this is not. You are making comments on here about people (Pendle Street residents) you know nothing about and seeing as it is those people who it will directly affect then, they do know what they are talking about. Just a last comment for your information, Councillor Cant is actually the only Councillor who has took the time to speak to the residents so far to my knowledge!!
RAyzer
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8:34am Sun 28 Feb 10
RAyzer
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10:21am Sun 28 Feb 10
RAyzer
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10:30am Sun 28 Feb 10
truepadihamer
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4:56pm Sun 28 Feb 10
RAyzer wrote:RAyzer, So just as I thought, you don't live in the area, you know two landlords who rent out their houses so what??? 1. I am not a clown. 2. I didn't say that I agreed with the reasons behind Councillor Cants involvement. 3. Not a labour or boy.5. You need to learn to spell!!! there, their or there.
truepadihamer wrote: RAyzer, It sounds like this is a BNP rant to me, are you a BNP Councillor in diguise?? As I said before 'the site is not big enough or suitable' for the purpose. There is plenty of land in Padiham that is but this is not. You are making comments on here about people (Pendle Street residents) you know nothing about and seeing as it is those people who it will directly affect then, they do know what they are talking about. Just a last comment for your information, Councillor Cant is actually the only Councillor who has took the time to speak to the residents so far to my knowledge!!its already be passed for the proposals you clown...read the facts!!!as for not knowing about pendle street,i know 2 landlords on there,and nobody in padiham wants this not just 30 people...counciller cants like kitty ussher....CHOCOLATE FIREGUARD!!!!typical of labour!!!true padihamer AKA labour boy!!!!all padiham know counciller cant by name by nature!!!!!
RAyzer
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6:01pm Sun 28 Feb 10
truepadihamer wrote:in my job i dont need to spell anything but my name....doesnt stop me earning big cash...we all know your a counciller so stop pretending otherwise...as for the landlords im pointing out them and 500 others dont want these people in the area....id bet you dont even live in padiham!!!!nobody wants them here FOR WHAT EVER REASON!!!!
RAyzer wrote:RAyzer, So just as I thought, you don't live in the area, you know two landlords who rent out their houses so what??? 1. I am not a clown. 2. I didn't say that I agreed with the reasons behind Councillor Cants involvement. 3. Not a labour or boy.5. You need to learn to spell!!! there, their or there.
truepadihamer wrote: RAyzer, It sounds like this is a BNP rant to me, are you a BNP Councillor in diguise?? As I said before 'the site is not big enough or suitable' for the purpose. There is plenty of land in Padiham that is but this is not. You are making comments on here about people (Pendle Street residents) you know nothing about and seeing as it is those people who it will directly affect then, they do know what they are talking about. Just a last comment for your information, Councillor Cant is actually the only Councillor who has took the time to speak to the residents so far to my knowledge!!its already be passed for the proposals you clown...read the facts!!!as for not knowing about pendle street,i know 2 landlords on there,and nobody in padiham wants this not just 30 people...counciller cants like kitty ussher....CHOCOLATE FIREGUARD!!!!typical of labour!!!true padihamer AKA labour boy!!!!all padiham know counciller cant by name by nature!!!!!
To the lady from the chip shop, 'Teacher' is not blaming you or your staff for the parking or the rubbish as he knows you do a lot to encourage your customers to park elsewhere and clear up the rubbish, that was a dig at some of the customers. He, like yourself is against this proposals for the correct reasons and not some of the more racist or bigotted views that are being spouted about on here by people is does not involve. Thanks for the support.
truepadihamer
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11:03pm Sun 28 Feb 10
RAyzer wrote:You know nothing about me RAyzer and you obviously don't understand a word of what's being written here because you are so far off the mark with your accusations it is laughable. I have lived in Padiham all my life (hence my name you clown!!) along with most of my family. You have no idea what you are talking about so why don't you do us all a favour and stay where you are and keep your biggotted opinions to yourself. I wonder what job you do where you only have to spell your name correctly to earn big cash?????? An honest days work if ever I heard one!!!
truepadihamer wrote:in my job i dont need to spell anything but my name....doesnt stop me earning big cash...we all know your a counciller so stop pretending otherwise...as for the landlords im pointing out them and 500 others dont want these people in the area....id bet you dont even live in padiham!!!!nobody wants them here FOR WHAT EVER REASON!!!!RAyzer wrote:RAyzer, So just as I thought, you don't live in the area, you know two landlords who rent out their houses so what??? 1. I am not a clown. 2. I didn't say that I agreed with the reasons behind Councillor Cants involvement. 3. Not a labour or boy.5. You need to learn to spell!!! there, their or there. To the lady from the chip shop, 'Teacher' is not blaming you or your staff for the parking or the rubbish as he knows you do a lot to encourage your customers to park elsewhere and clear up the rubbish, that was a dig at some of the customers. He, like yourself is against this proposals for the correct reasons and not some of the more racist or bigotted views that are being spouted about on here by people is does not involve. Thanks for the support.truepadihamer wrote: RAyzer, It sounds like this is a BNP rant to me, are you a BNP Councillor in diguise?? As I said before 'the site is not big enough or suitable' for the purpose. There is plenty of land in Padiham that is but this is not. You are making comments on here about people (Pendle Street residents) you know nothing about and seeing as it is those people who it will directly affect then, they do know what they are talking about. Just a last comment for your information, Councillor Cant is actually the only Councillor who has took the time to speak to the residents so far to my knowledge!!its already be passed for the proposals you clown...read the facts!!!as for not knowing about pendle street,i know 2 landlords on there,and nobody in padiham wants this not just 30 people...counciller cants like kitty ussher....CHOCOLATE FIREGUARD!!!!typical of labour!!!true padihamer AKA labour boy!!!!all padiham know counciller cant by name by nature!!!!!
Padiham_Teacher
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akon
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truepadihamer
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akon
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truepadihamer
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akon
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truepadihamer
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akon
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truepadihamer
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akon
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akon says...
10:08am Thu 25 Feb 10
Vote Labour ,you get what you deserve !!