These devices should be used sparingly, if at all. They affect all people under 25, including children, toddlers and babies.

I am as concerned as anyone about tackling anti-social behaviour. But punishing babies and toddlers for the anti-social behaviour of a few teenagers seems over the top.

If they are used only at certain times i.e. evenings, then there shouldn`t be a problem, as any good parent wouldn`t have their baies or toddlers out at that time.If these politicians lived in the same areas a lot of us have to live in, they wouldn`t be so quick to have these devices stopped.It`s all about kids rights these days, what about the adults who have to put up with the increasing threat of abuse and violence from these little darlings?

Steve, I agree. Their usage needs to be selective and targeted to ensure that they obtain maximum effect without causing undue distress. Remember, the noise these things emit is harmless, so if someone does inadvertantly get into their range, no harm will befall them.

So if you are 25 years and 1 day old, you can't hear it???

Sir Al Aynsley-Green, who is no doubt picking up a very tidy salary, sounds like another well-meaning liberal.

I support his involvement with young people. But, honestly, he is living in cloud-cuckoo land. The residents of Fernhead in Warrinngton I am sure will support the widespread use of these devices in their own neighbourhoods if they deter groups of youths to congregate and cause trouble.

The problem we have today is that parents idolise their children, as if they are angelic creautures who can do no wrong; to take issue with school children is to affront the very identities and egos of the parents... and we can't be having that, can we?

The family has become a fetish.

We seriously need a change of values. Only 25-30 years ago, parents would support teachers and the police. I remember when one of my friends stole some chocolate from a corner shop, went home and got found out by his mother. She drove him to the local police station, handed him over and asked for him tobe locked up in the cell overnight!

Now, they are the enemy.

I think selective use of these devices is an excellent idea and I support our Police using these on a much wider scale.

I also think that in known trouble spots, the police should be able to use special "hosing down" vehicles - a good blast of icy cold water will soon break up these menacing groups.

Jen wrote:
So if you are 25 years and 1 day old, you can't hear it???

Yup

I'm 27 and i can hear these machines everytime i walk past them. So to say it doesn't effect over 25 just isn't true.

I'm 19 and there is one of these directly across from my house (which, by the way, I own myself) - it annoys the buggary out of me and sometimes I can hear it when I go to sleep at night. They should certainly be banned - I'm not a troublemaker and I can still hear it.

Merlin, The Voice of Reason wrote:
Sir Al Aynsley-Green, who is no doubt picking up a very tidy salary, sounds like another well-meaning liberal. I support his involvement with young people. But, honestly, he is living in cloud-cuckoo land. The residents of Fernhead in Warrinngton I am sure will support the widespread use of these devices in their own neighbourhoods if they deter groups of youths to congregate and cause trouble. The problem we have today is that parents idolise their children, as if they are angelic creautures who can do no wrong; to take issue with school children is to affront the very identities and egos of the parents... and we can't be having that, can we? The family has become a fetish. We seriously need a change of values. Only 25-30 years ago, parents would support teachers and the police. I remember when one of my friends stole some chocolate from a corner shop, went home and got found out by his mother. She drove him to the local police station, handed him over and asked for him tobe locked up in the cell overnight! Now, they are the enemy. I think selective use of these devices is an excellent idea and I support our Police using these on a much wider scale. I also think that in known trouble spots, the police should be able to use special "hosing down" vehicles - a good blast of icy cold water will soon break up these menacing groups.

I agree with your sentiments Merlin, after all you are the voice of reason but we should remember these children that got frogmarched to the police are the very same parents that now let their kids run riot. The damage caused by a move too far towards liberalism started 25-40 years ago. Today, I heard on the news a story about some teenagers playing on a raft on a lake and one of them drowned - they were playing at midnight. What kind of parents do they have?

I am a doctor and believe that T (27) may actually have tinitus. He should see a doctor.

I am at uni n obviously as all must know we have a good attitude and common sense so where it say's its for people between 20 - 25 it such a stupid thing as I am not a trouble maker and hopefully at the end of this year il be a graduate who will be targeted because of others.

Simple thing is allow the sharia law and chop their hands of.

How can a machine tell someone's age and suppose there is a mixed age group, some under 25 and some over - doesn't make sense?

From what we read in the press, these gangs or groups are under 25, can't see anyone over 25 congregating around street corners.

Well for one, there are many over 25s that can hear these sounds - I am one of them and I am almost 30. They should be used sparingly, if at all.

How about piping this noise into the houses of the "parents" of these kids who are hanging about.

Maybe then they might actually be bothered??

totty wrote:
How can a machine tell someone's age and suppose there is a mixed age group, some under 25 and some over - doesn't make sense?

From what we read in the press, these gangs or groups are under 25, can't see anyone over 25 congregating around street corners.

My goodness, there are some intellectually challenged people in my midst!

Totty, the whole idea is that people over a certain age can't hear the distressing pitch.

The under 25 groups who congregate, who - as you say - are the main problem, DO hear the tone and it distresses them to shift their posteriors somewhere else.

Hope that's now clear.

And Miss Reading (ex-Burnley), the onyl reason you can hear the tone is because anyone born in Burnley has a unique gene which permits the hearing of said tone for life.

Thank you!

Oh, dear for someone 'highly intellectual' you have done yourself no favours by generalizing in this way. Oops!

You know, being conceited and up yourself in no way means you are 'intellectual'. Nor is attacking anyone them. Nope, nothing intellectual about that.

Nor above anyone else.

As for being the 'voice of reason'. *chokes*

I sincerely hope you are not an MP.

Ever seen the 'Parrot Sketch' done famously by Monty Python. That's you, that is.

Laff @ totty. That made me smile. Thanx, ive had a bad day!!

The "machine" cant tell ya age or ur shoe size!!
The device emits a sound at a certain frequency that most people lose the ability to hear as they get older.
Normally by early 20's u can't hear it anymore.
I know somewhere where this device is fitted and i cant hear it. I'm pretty sure the lil babies cant hear it either, i've seen them sleep through it.

IMHO it's a cheap way to move the youngsters on somewhere else. On to where?? Is anyones guess. But the devices cost less than youth clubs and other youth orientated pastimes.
So the devices are here to stay.
Very sad!!

Caroline wrote:
Well for one, there are many over 25s that can hear these sounds - I am one of them and I am almost 30. They should be used sparingly, if at all.

this means although you are 30 your still under 25 at heart.

Mosquito...GOOD!
Hoodie Scum...BAAAAD!

Glad I made someone laugh. Being 'intellectually challenged' it happens all the time. Anway, I couldn't care less if the machines are placed on every Street corner because as well as being intellectually challenged I am also deaf as a post so laugh at that!!

I was a witness to the horrible screeching sounds that only young people can only just this afternnon.
Then I found out it was a Lily Allen CD

was a witness to the horrible screeching sounds that only young people can hear just this afternnon.
Then I found out it was a Lily Allen CD

MOSQUITO??WE NEED KILLER BEES FOR THESE CHAVS,FINE THERE PARENTS(HONEST)IT WOULD WORK..MIND YOU THEY PROB DONT KNOW WHO THERE PARENTS ARE

Ricky wrote:
I am a doctor and believe that T (27) may actually have tinitus. He should see a doctor.

im a doctor and i think he has swollen balls. and a ugly wife.