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Jukebox falls silent as 'music police' raid Padiham pub

Lancashire Telegraph: The Bridge Inn at Padiham The Bridge Inn at Padiham

ANOTHER publican in East Lancashire has been ordered to turn off the jukebox after being raided by a music industry watchdog.

Background music could become a thing of the past at The Bridge Inn, in Burnley Road, Padiham, unless landlady Beverley McRae brings her licences up-to-date.

Inspectors from royalties collectors Phonographic Performance Ltd (PPL), called at the pub last October and heard tracks like Ace Of Spades by Motorhead, Radioactive by Kings Of Leon, and By The Way by the Red Hot Chili Peppers being played.

She faces a fine of up to £10,000 and a two-year imprisonment if she disobeys a High Court order, secured by the PPL.

She can also expect a legal bill for £1,686.

Pub and leisure trade bosses have been staging a rearguard action against the PPL licensing system, amid fears fees may rise, as a licensing consultation is ongoing.

The Association of Licensed Multiple Retailers, the Bar Entertainment and Dance Association, the British Beer and Pub Association and the British Hospitality Association have generated a £300,000 fighting fund for those affected.

Pub operators Intertain, which runs bars including Walkabout in Burnley, fear their licensing fees for special events, may rise by 4,000 per cent. Simon Kaye, the firm’s chief operating officer, said: “The company would not be able to support that level of payment.”

Mrs McRae, who also runs the Dugdale Arms, in Burnley, was unavailable for comment last night.

Colin Paton, the landlord of The Bay Horse in Worsthorne, which was hit by a similar fine last August, said that paying fees to download tracks, and then another performance charge on top, was ‘not right’.

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4:50pm Mon 30 Apr 12

ghost of sceptic says...

Another nail in the coffin of the local boozer.
Another nail in the coffin of the local boozer. ghost of sceptic
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4:53pm Mon 30 Apr 12

GAC says...

the PPL are nothing to do with artists and just go around attacking anyone playing music in public. the sooner they are forced to stop the better.
the PPL are nothing to do with artists and just go around attacking anyone playing music in public. the sooner they are forced to stop the better. GAC
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5:02pm Mon 30 Apr 12

portolibero says...

GAC wrote:
the PPL are nothing to do with artists and just go around attacking anyone playing music in public. the sooner they are forced to stop the better.
The PPL collect royalties for performers who are legally entitled to them.

They have every right to do what they do. Musicians have to be paid, just as publicans do.
[quote][p][bold]GAC[/bold] wrote: the PPL are nothing to do with artists and just go around attacking anyone playing music in public. the sooner they are forced to stop the better.[/p][/quote]The PPL collect royalties for performers who are legally entitled to them. They have every right to do what they do. Musicians have to be paid, just as publicans do. portolibero
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5:17pm Mon 30 Apr 12

happycyclist says...

How much is the licence?
How much is the licence? happycyclist
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5:23pm Mon 30 Apr 12

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

But this is why we put money in the jukebox to pay the royalties, where is the money really going?
But this is why we put money in the jukebox to pay the royalties, where is the money really going? Michael@ClitheroeSince58
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5:59pm Mon 30 Apr 12

jay1969 says...

This story was on earlier, but it says the pubs in Burnley, yet more bad reporting!
This story was on earlier, but it says the pubs in Burnley, yet more bad reporting! jay1969
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6:50pm Mon 30 Apr 12

Republican says...

Bliss, a pub where you can hear yourself think.

You want music; pay the license fees.
Bliss, a pub where you can hear yourself think. You want music; pay the license fees. Republican
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7:35pm Mon 30 Apr 12

mavrick says...

My problem with this is simple. How many time do artistes expect to be paid for the same work?
If the PPL wish to demand money from the licenced trade then all they have to do is stop allowing music being played on the premises. most people would appreciate it anyway. Then when the ppl realise they have cooked the golden goose maybe they will be disbanded. They are no better than clampers.
My problem with this is simple. How many time do artistes expect to be paid for the same work? If the PPL wish to demand money from the licenced trade then all they have to do is stop allowing music being played on the premises. most people would appreciate it anyway. Then when the ppl realise they have cooked the golden goose maybe they will be disbanded. They are no better than clampers. mavrick
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7:48pm Mon 30 Apr 12

GAC says...

portolibero wrote:
GAC wrote:
the PPL are nothing to do with artists and just go around attacking anyone playing music in public. the sooner they are forced to stop the better.
The PPL collect royalties for performers who are legally entitled to them.

They have every right to do what they do. Musicians have to be paid, just as publicans do.
from my experience with them they collect royalties (fine people) but generaly pay high priced lawyers off and none of the money actually makes it to anyone else.

they go around harrasing people like the story above to make more money, these guys are one step up from abulence chasers to be fair.
[quote][p][bold]portolibero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GAC[/bold] wrote: the PPL are nothing to do with artists and just go around attacking anyone playing music in public. the sooner they are forced to stop the better.[/p][/quote]The PPL collect royalties for performers who are legally entitled to them. They have every right to do what they do. Musicians have to be paid, just as publicans do.[/p][/quote]from my experience with them they collect royalties (fine people) but generaly pay high priced lawyers off and none of the money actually makes it to anyone else. they go around harrasing people like the story above to make more money, these guys are one step up from abulence chasers to be fair. GAC
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7:50pm Mon 30 Apr 12

rggraham1947 says...

mavrick wrote:
My problem with this is simple. How many time do artistes expect to be paid for the same work? If the PPL wish to demand money from the licenced trade then all they have to do is stop allowing music being played on the premises. most people would appreciate it anyway. Then when the ppl realise they have cooked the golden goose maybe they will be disbanded. They are no better than clampers.
Or bailiffs.
[quote][p][bold]mavrick[/bold] wrote: My problem with this is simple. How many time do artistes expect to be paid for the same work? If the PPL wish to demand money from the licenced trade then all they have to do is stop allowing music being played on the premises. most people would appreciate it anyway. Then when the ppl realise they have cooked the golden goose maybe they will be disbanded. They are no better than clampers.[/p][/quote]Or bailiffs. rggraham1947
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8:56pm Mon 30 Apr 12

Good call says...

rggraham1947 wrote:
mavrick wrote:
My problem with this is simple. How many time do artistes expect to be paid for the same work? If the PPL wish to demand money from the licenced trade then all they have to do is stop allowing music being played on the premises. most people would appreciate it anyway. Then when the ppl realise they have cooked the golden goose maybe they will be disbanded. They are no better than clampers.
Or bailiffs.
Or TV Licence "enforcement officers" (that title really makes me laugh)
[quote][p][bold]rggraham1947[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mavrick[/bold] wrote: My problem with this is simple. How many time do artistes expect to be paid for the same work? If the PPL wish to demand money from the licenced trade then all they have to do is stop allowing music being played on the premises. most people would appreciate it anyway. Then when the ppl realise they have cooked the golden goose maybe they will be disbanded. They are no better than clampers.[/p][/quote]Or bailiffs.[/p][/quote]Or TV Licence "enforcement officers" (that title really makes me laugh) Good call
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9:26pm Mon 30 Apr 12

gazzandste says...

portolibero wrote:
GAC wrote:
the PPL are nothing to do with artists and just go around attacking anyone playing music in public. the sooner they are forced to stop the better.
The PPL collect royalties for performers who are legally entitled to them.

They have every right to do what they do. Musicians have to be paid, just as publicans do.
Quit right even coach operators need a licence. Used to be called the PRS, performing rights society.
[quote][p][bold]portolibero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GAC[/bold] wrote: the PPL are nothing to do with artists and just go around attacking anyone playing music in public. the sooner they are forced to stop the better.[/p][/quote]The PPL collect royalties for performers who are legally entitled to them. They have every right to do what they do. Musicians have to be paid, just as publicans do.[/p][/quote]Quit right even coach operators need a licence. Used to be called the PRS, performing rights society. gazzandste
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10:28pm Mon 30 Apr 12

New World Order. says...

So if Kings of Leon turn up to perform Radioactive for free the Landlady is facing a fine of up to £10,000 and a two-year imprisonment.
Great Britain what a joke.

The whole world as turned into a feature length episode of the twilight zone.
Or is that breaching copy rights having such thoughts..?
So if Kings of Leon turn up to perform Radioactive for free the Landlady is facing a fine of up to £10,000 and a two-year imprisonment. Great Britain what a joke. The whole world as turned into a feature length episode of the twilight zone. Or is that breaching copy rights having such thoughts..? New World Order.
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10:50pm Mon 30 Apr 12

Good call says...

New World Order. wrote:
So if Kings of Leon turn up to perform Radioactive for free the Landlady is facing a fine of up to £10,000 and a two-year imprisonment.
Great Britain what a joke.

The whole world as turned into a feature length episode of the twilight zone.
Or is that breaching copy rights having such thoughts..?
Thought crime!!! Your post has been logged by GCHQ and a team of Armed Police have been dispatched to detain you indefinitely under section 19.84 of the Thought Crimes act.
Good Call,Customer Serivices, UK government
[quote][p][bold]New World Order.[/bold] wrote: So if Kings of Leon turn up to perform Radioactive for free the Landlady is facing a fine of up to £10,000 and a two-year imprisonment. Great Britain what a joke. The whole world as turned into a feature length episode of the twilight zone. Or is that breaching copy rights having such thoughts..?[/p][/quote]Thought crime!!! Your post has been logged by GCHQ and a team of Armed Police have been dispatched to detain you indefinitely under section 19.84 of the Thought Crimes act. Good Call,Customer Serivices, UK government Good call
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11:09pm Mon 30 Apr 12

hunter3062 says...

money for old rope a hair sylist in accy was done for the same thing well she had a radio on. so if the radio station has to pay the same fee for broadcasting how can the listner be charged as well thats double bubble.you may as well take cd players/radios out of taxi's/coaches as members of the public can hear the same as you.
money for old rope a hair sylist in accy was done for the same thing well she had a radio on. so if the radio station has to pay the same fee for broadcasting how can the listner be charged as well thats double bubble.you may as well take cd players/radios out of taxi's/coaches as members of the public can hear the same as you. hunter3062
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11:23pm Mon 30 Apr 12

Judge Nic Sanders says...

This is the same organisation who cold call small businesses and the self employed hoping to hear a radio on in the background so they can threaten you with not having a music licence in a workplace.
This is the same organisation who cold call small businesses and the self employed hoping to hear a radio on in the background so they can threaten you with not having a music licence in a workplace. Judge Nic Sanders
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11:50am Tue 1 May 12

darwenTower says...

gazzandste wrote:
portolibero wrote:
GAC wrote:
the PPL are nothing to do with artists and just go around attacking anyone playing music in public. the sooner they are forced to stop the better.
The PPL collect royalties for performers who are legally entitled to them.

They have every right to do what they do. Musicians have to be paid, just as publicans do.
Quit right even coach operators need a licence. Used to be called the PRS, performing rights society.
The PPL operate *as well* as the PRS.

Unbelievably there are TWO organisations trying to collect £100s from small businesses for having a radio tinkling away in the background.

And for those who are crying that material needs to be paid for, it HAS been paid for, by the stations that are playing it and it will be paid for again when someone who hears it on the radio goes out and buys it.

The PPL/PRS will trot out the argument that not all artists are rich and they need all the royalties they can get but i'd love to know how much they pay to these lesser known artists. If it's pro rata based on airplay then it's plain to see where the money will be going (that's if the PPL/PRS don't swallow most of it up in operational costs).

Plus these lesser known artist need their material to be heard by as many people as possible.
They won't be heard in my shop because I don't have a radio playing any more.

These organisations are doing nothing to help the industry, they are merely parasites.
[quote][p][bold]gazzandste[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]portolibero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GAC[/bold] wrote: the PPL are nothing to do with artists and just go around attacking anyone playing music in public. the sooner they are forced to stop the better.[/p][/quote]The PPL collect royalties for performers who are legally entitled to them. They have every right to do what they do. Musicians have to be paid, just as publicans do.[/p][/quote]Quit right even coach operators need a licence. Used to be called the PRS, performing rights society.[/p][/quote]The PPL operate *as well* as the PRS. Unbelievably there are TWO organisations trying to collect £100s from small businesses for having a radio tinkling away in the background. And for those who are crying that material needs to be paid for, it HAS been paid for, by the stations that are playing it and it will be paid for again when someone who hears it on the radio goes out and buys it. The PPL/PRS will trot out the argument that not all artists are rich and they need all the royalties they can get but i'd love to know how much they pay to these lesser known artists. If it's pro rata based on airplay then it's plain to see where the money will be going (that's if the PPL/PRS don't swallow most of it up in operational costs). Plus these lesser known artist need their material to be heard by as many people as possible. They won't be heard in my shop because I don't have a radio playing any more. These organisations are doing nothing to help the industry, they are merely parasites. darwenTower
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6:38pm Wed 2 May 12

the tackler says...

who pays for the licence for the cars driving round nelson with blacked out windows playing music at full blast in the middle of the night?
who pays for the licence for the cars driving round nelson with blacked out windows playing music at full blast in the middle of the night? the tackler
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7:57am Tue 8 May 12

nelsonborn&bred says...

they are trying to get some money back because of all the illegal downloads that go on they can't win that one so there taking the cash the easy way from the law abiding small businessess another nail in the coffin of the local boozer
they are trying to get some money back because of all the illegal downloads that go on they can't win that one so there taking the cash the easy way from the law abiding small businessess another nail in the coffin of the local boozer nelsonborn&bred
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