Darwen motorist slams ‘immoral’ Blackburn car park fine

1:30pm Monday 24th September 2012 in News Photograph of the Author By Catherine Pye, Health reporter

SITE The Vue cinema site at the Peel Leisure and Retail Park SITE The Vue cinema site at the Peel Leisure and Retail Park

A GYM goer has hit out at an ‘immoral’ car parking fine, and said that dozens of others are at risk.

Robin Cronshaw, an IT manager from Darwen, was handed a £90 ticket after parking next to the Vue Cinema in the Peel Leisure and retail Park, Blackburn, as he went to use the on-site DW Gym which neighbours the cinema.

The car park is managed by Lytham-based CMS (UK) Ltd, which has erected notices that tickets will be issued if cars are parked on the site and the owners leave the retail park boundaries.

Mr Cronshaw said: “They don’t define where the boundaries of the retail park are, so how do you know whether you’re leaving or not?

“I only went to the gym and thought that I was well within the rules.

“When I came out there were 10 to 15 other cars that had tickets on, and there were a lot of angry motorists.

“I think it’s completely wrong and immoral because they’re just trying to catch people out.

“I am going to appeal because £90 is a lot of money.”

Barrie Segal, founder of AppealNow.com and one of the UK's leading experts parking ticket law, said: “They have to define the boundaries otherwise they could issue a so called parking ticket for parking in Hong Kong.

“In my view, these fines are not enforceable – some people ignore them, others offer a ‘without prejudice’ payment in full and final settlement of say £5.

“The only way the company can try to enforce the ticket is to go to court, and few cases ever reach court.”

DW Sports and CMS (UK) Ltd were contacted for comment but declined.

Comments (44)

1:45pm Mon 24 Sep 12

eastlancslad says...

Same nonsense as the fiasco about Eastgate Retail Estate in Accrington. There the parking company reduced the amount of time you could park there from 3 hours to 1.5 hours. And did not make it abundantly clear. So, bingo, a windfall of parking 'fines'. I am not going to pay a penny of mine.
Somewhere, some really sad friendless **** is sitting there working out how the next rip off is going to work.
This is utter bullwotsit. These people just love to come up with new 'rules', and expect the gullible public to cough up.
Robin, put the 'fine' notice in your bathroom, and use it for you know what.
Don't pay them a penny, they are just trying it on in the hope that a few of the 'fines' will be paid.
Jack Straw, do what your collegue Graham Jones did in Hyndburn, and stick your oar in.
DO SUMMAT!
Same nonsense as the fiasco about Eastgate Retail Estate in Accrington. There the parking company reduced the amount of time you could park there from 3 hours to 1.5 hours. And did not make it abundantly clear. So, bingo, a windfall of parking 'fines'. I am not going to pay a penny of mine. Somewhere, some really sad friendless **** is sitting there working out how the next rip off is going to work. This is utter bullwotsit. These people just love to come up with new 'rules', and expect the gullible public to cough up. Robin, put the 'fine' notice in your bathroom, and use it for you know what. Don't pay them a penny, they are just trying it on in the hope that a few of the 'fines' will be paid. Jack Straw, do what your collegue Graham Jones did in Hyndburn, and stick your oar in. DO SUMMAT! eastlancslad

1:50pm Mon 24 Sep 12

chris283 says...

one word leaches
one word leaches chris283

2:02pm Mon 24 Sep 12

BelTower says...

Tip: ignore it. You'll get bombarded with letters from CMS but hold your nerve....a private parking company can't fine you, only a local authority has this power. This is just a threatening invoice so just dig in and ride it out. Check out MSE online for more help and info.
Tip: ignore it. You'll get bombarded with letters from CMS but hold your nerve....a private parking company can't fine you, only a local authority has this power. This is just a threatening invoice so just dig in and ride it out. Check out MSE online for more help and info. BelTower

2:06pm Mon 24 Sep 12

d146895x says...

chris283 wrote:
one word leaches
Two words - spell check
[quote][p][bold]chris283[/bold] wrote: one word leaches[/p][/quote]Two words - spell check d146895x

2:06pm Mon 24 Sep 12

real betis hotpot says...

Simple solution - ignore it and don't pay, it definitely works.
Simple solution - ignore it and don't pay, it definitely works. real betis hotpot

2:08pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Darwen Malc says...

Ignore it completely. If they took you to court they would have to prove that by parking there you had caused the cinema a proportionate ammount of lost revenue by your actions ie; you were preventing customers of the cinema from parking, and unless the car park was rammed full, you weren't doing that. hence why they never go to court. You WILL get official looking 'reminders, final reminders, bailiffs letters etc, dont fall for them and put them straight in the bin.
Ignore it completely. If they took you to court they would have to prove that by parking there you had caused the cinema a proportionate ammount of lost revenue by your actions ie; you were preventing customers of the cinema from parking, and unless the car park was rammed full, you weren't doing that. hence why they never go to court. You WILL get official looking 'reminders, final reminders, bailiffs letters etc, dont fall for them and put them straight in the bin. Darwen Malc

2:22pm Mon 24 Sep 12

real betis hotpot says...

BelTower wrote:
Tip: ignore it. You'll get bombarded with letters from CMS but hold your nerve....a private parking company can't fine you, only a local authority has this power. This is just a threatening invoice so just dig in and ride it out. Check out MSE online for more help and info.
Yes and that is why the use of the word fine in the headline of this article is wrong. There is nothing in criminal law to support a penalty or fine for parking on private land. Therefore they should not be described as penalties or fines. I bet the ticket says something like PCN or parking charge notice so to mimic penalty charge notices issued by the police and councils which are fines.
[quote][p][bold]BelTower[/bold] wrote: Tip: ignore it. You'll get bombarded with letters from CMS but hold your nerve....a private parking company can't fine you, only a local authority has this power. This is just a threatening invoice so just dig in and ride it out. Check out MSE online for more help and info.[/p][/quote]Yes and that is why the use of the word fine in the headline of this article is wrong. There is nothing in criminal law to support a penalty or fine for parking on private land. Therefore they should not be described as penalties or fines. I bet the ticket says something like PCN or parking charge notice so to mimic penalty charge notices issued by the police and councils which are fines. real betis hotpot

2:40pm Mon 24 Sep 12

vanmanstan says...

happened to me and just ignored it, nothing happned.
happened to me and just ignored it, nothing happned. vanmanstan

2:59pm Mon 24 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

You dont legally have to pay such fines!

Ignore it!

In fact do what I do, and keep doing it. I've had over 25 in last 2 years and never paid any!!

This costs the companys more money by chasing payments they will never get!!

In fact I sometimes ring them and play around with them on the phone, all good humour!
You dont legally have to pay such fines! Ignore it! In fact do what I do, and keep doing it. I've had over 25 in last 2 years and never paid any!! This costs the companys more money by chasing payments they will never get!! In fact I sometimes ring them and play around with them on the phone, all good humour! makaveli96

3:06pm Mon 24 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

Invoice them for speaking to you!

How can a Lytham based company tell us what to do on our soil?
Invoice them for speaking to you! How can a Lytham based company tell us what to do on our soil? makaveli96

3:11pm Mon 24 Sep 12

darwenTower says...

Sadly many people will panic and pay up when they get these tickets as they fear the situation will escalate.

It's just preying on the weak.

Anyone who gets one of these tickets should tell the owners of the shops on the retail park that they will never spend there again.
Sadly many people will panic and pay up when they get these tickets as they fear the situation will escalate. It's just preying on the weak. Anyone who gets one of these tickets should tell the owners of the shops on the retail park that they will never spend there again. darwenTower

3:19pm Mon 24 Sep 12

ROVERSCAN says...

How many time do people want telling, its not a fine its an invoice which you dont have to pay, ignore it, just rip it up and dont even acknowledge it or them, they will eventually go away, They have no authority to issue fines, its a bloody invoice!!!
How many time do people want telling, its not a fine its an invoice which you dont have to pay, ignore it, just rip it up and dont even acknowledge it or them, they will eventually go away, They have no authority to issue fines, its a bloody invoice!!! ROVERSCAN

3:20pm Mon 24 Sep 12

MUDDLES says...

completely ignore...do NOT appeal....they are non-enforceable notices....illegal..
..more of a harassment than anything....please go to www.moneysavingexper
t.com ...and log onto the forum for "parking tickets,fines and parking".....all the info is on that site...only 3 groups of people can issue fines (police,courts & council).....IGNORE !!!!!!
completely ignore...do NOT appeal....they are non-enforceable notices....illegal.. ..more of a harassment than anything....please go to www.moneysavingexper t.com ...and log onto the forum for "parking tickets,fines and parking".....all the info is on that site...only 3 groups of people can issue fines (police,courts & council).....IGNORE !!!!!! MUDDLES

3:36pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Norm de Plume says...

See also www.pepipoo.com
See also www.pepipoo.com Norm de Plume

3:39pm Mon 24 Sep 12

ladysal says...

ROVERSCAN wrote:
How many time do people want telling, its not a fine its an invoice which you dont have to pay, ignore it, just rip it up and dont even acknowledge it or them, they will eventually go away, They have no authority to issue fines, its a bloody invoice!!!
Unfortunately, some people do panic for a variety of reasons and pay the money. I can just picture the little twerps (parking company peeps that is), sitting behind their desks thinking "wow, fleeced another one...."
Personally, I 'm still waiting for the follow up to the "Notice of intended prosecution" I received 18 months ago. I'm not holding my breath: as others have said, no matter what the language used, these are invoices not fines (unless they come directly from the local council or the police) and they CANNOT force you to pay. Only a County Court judge can do that and precedence states that they are unlikely to.
[quote][p][bold]ROVERSCAN[/bold] wrote: How many time do people want telling, its not a fine its an invoice which you dont have to pay, ignore it, just rip it up and dont even acknowledge it or them, they will eventually go away, They have no authority to issue fines, its a bloody invoice!!![/p][/quote]Unfortunately, some people do panic for a variety of reasons and pay the money. I can just picture the little twerps (parking company peeps that is), sitting behind their desks thinking "wow, fleeced another one...." Personally, I 'm still waiting for the follow up to the "Notice of intended prosecution" I received 18 months ago. I'm not holding my breath: as others have said, no matter what the language used, these are invoices not fines (unless they come directly from the local council or the police) and they CANNOT force you to pay. Only a County Court judge can do that and precedence states that they are unlikely to. ladysal

3:48pm Mon 24 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

ladysal wrote:
ROVERSCAN wrote: How many time do people want telling, its not a fine its an invoice which you dont have to pay, ignore it, just rip it up and dont even acknowledge it or them, they will eventually go away, They have no authority to issue fines, its a bloody invoice!!!
Unfortunately, some people do panic for a variety of reasons and pay the money. I can just picture the little twerps (parking company peeps that is), sitting behind their desks thinking "wow, fleeced another one...." Personally, I 'm still waiting for the follow up to the "Notice of intended prosecution" I received 18 months ago. I'm not holding my breath: as others have said, no matter what the language used, these are invoices not fines (unless they come directly from the local council or the police) and they CANNOT force you to pay. Only a County Court judge can do that and precedence states that they are unlikely to.
A good way to get back at them is to ring them from a "witheld" number, and pretend to cry. Tell them you cant take any more and are ready to end it!

The silence at the other end is deafening!

Turn the tables on them!
[quote][p][bold]ladysal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ROVERSCAN[/bold] wrote: How many time do people want telling, its not a fine its an invoice which you dont have to pay, ignore it, just rip it up and dont even acknowledge it or them, they will eventually go away, They have no authority to issue fines, its a bloody invoice!!![/p][/quote]Unfortunately, some people do panic for a variety of reasons and pay the money. I can just picture the little twerps (parking company peeps that is), sitting behind their desks thinking "wow, fleeced another one...." Personally, I 'm still waiting for the follow up to the "Notice of intended prosecution" I received 18 months ago. I'm not holding my breath: as others have said, no matter what the language used, these are invoices not fines (unless they come directly from the local council or the police) and they CANNOT force you to pay. Only a County Court judge can do that and precedence states that they are unlikely to.[/p][/quote]A good way to get back at them is to ring them from a "witheld" number, and pretend to cry. Tell them you cant take any more and are ready to end it! The silence at the other end is deafening! Turn the tables on them! makaveli96

4:00pm Mon 24 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

I left my car in a car park the other day, when I came back to it the bumper and rear lights were all smashed up.

Then I found this note under the wiper. It said:

I just accidentally reversed into your car.Quite a few people saw me do it.They think I'm leaving my name and details.

Well, I'm not.
I left my car in a car park the other day, when I came back to it the bumper and rear lights were all smashed up. Then I found this note under the wiper. It said: I just accidentally reversed into your car.Quite a few people saw me do it.They think I'm leaving my name and details. Well, I'm not. makaveli96

4:05pm Mon 24 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

The other day, an attendant stopped me in a hospital car park to tell me, "You can't park here. It's badge holders only."I replied, "But I have got a bad shoulder."
The other day, an attendant stopped me in a hospital car park to tell me, "You can't park here. It's badge holders only."I replied, "But I have got a bad shoulder." makaveli96

4:10pm Mon 24 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

My wife phoned me from the retail park."I can't remember where I parked the car!" she said.

"Don't panic love.... Just look round for a small gathering of men slowly shaking their heads and tutting."
My wife phoned me from the retail park."I can't remember where I parked the car!" she said. "Don't panic love.... Just look round for a small gathering of men slowly shaking their heads and tutting." makaveli96

4:20pm Mon 24 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

Ironically, The Dog Inn pub has a really small car park.
Ironically, The Dog Inn pub has a really small car park. makaveli96

4:23pm Mon 24 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

The NHS are really cutting back on expenditure at the moment.

Apparently thieves operate in our local hospital car park.
The NHS are really cutting back on expenditure at the moment. Apparently thieves operate in our local hospital car park. makaveli96

6:10pm Mon 24 Sep 12

we8dingles says...

Dont pay it, it will cost them more to take you to court
Dont pay it, it will cost them more to take you to court we8dingles

7:16pm Mon 24 Sep 12

CapitaBackHander says...

Do NOT appeal. DO make sure you do NOT contact them at all. There is NO benefit.
This is a request for payment and non enforcable.
Yeah they will probably say eventually they are taking you to court and ccj blah blah but they won't and can't.
The only pain in the neck is IF the car is on i.e. finance.
The request for info may goto them and they may forward that on with an admin fee.
Don't mix this advice up with council parking tickets!
p.s. one of the wardens there is a right tool! I parked next to the cabin in the space next to it and he told me to move - I refused as in rush for cinema. The clown put a piece of paper on my car saying he had contacted the police - woah!
Do NOT appeal. DO make sure you do NOT contact them at all. There is NO benefit. This is a request for payment and non enforcable. Yeah they will probably say eventually they are taking you to court and ccj blah blah but they won't and can't. The only pain in the neck is IF the car is on i.e. finance. The request for info may goto them and they may forward that on with an admin fee. Don't mix this advice up with council parking tickets! p.s. one of the wardens there is a right tool! I parked next to the cabin in the space next to it and he told me to move - I refused as in rush for cinema. The clown put a piece of paper on my car saying he had contacted the police - woah! CapitaBackHander

7:20pm Mon 24 Sep 12

phil kernot says...

ITS PRIVATE CARPARK NOT COVERED BY ROAD TRAFFIC ACT , CANT MAKE YOU DISCLOSE WHO THE DRIVER WAS , CAN ONLY GO TO COUNTY COURT , COSTS TO MUCH TO GET YOU THERE , WHAT WILL THE JUDGE SAY HOW MUCH DID YOU LOSE , AND THE COMPANY WOULD HAVE TO SAY ZERO , COSTS TO THE PLANTIFF OF ZERO , , NEVER PAID A CAR PARK CHARGE YET
ITS PRIVATE CARPARK NOT COVERED BY ROAD TRAFFIC ACT , CANT MAKE YOU DISCLOSE WHO THE DRIVER WAS , CAN ONLY GO TO COUNTY COURT , COSTS TO MUCH TO GET YOU THERE , WHAT WILL THE JUDGE SAY HOW MUCH DID YOU LOSE , AND THE COMPANY WOULD HAVE TO SAY ZERO , COSTS TO THE PLANTIFF OF ZERO , , NEVER PAID A CAR PARK CHARGE YET phil kernot

7:30pm Mon 24 Sep 12

jessrovers says...

The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them.
These angry motorists should also realise that the wardens are just doing their job and do not deserve all the stick and verbal abuse that they receive. They are following the rules of their bosses and do not get comission for the number of cars booked and no I am not a warden.
The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them. These angry motorists should also realise that the wardens are just doing their job and do not deserve all the stick and verbal abuse that they receive. They are following the rules of their bosses and do not get comission for the number of cars booked and no I am not a warden. jessrovers

7:39pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Gone84 says...

Headline news in Blackburn ,local man gets a parking ticket.

No chip pan fires over the weekend then ?
Headline news in Blackburn ,local man gets a parking ticket. No chip pan fires over the weekend then ? Gone84

8:13pm Mon 24 Sep 12

mikebuk says...

makaveli96 wrote:
The NHS are really cutting back on expenditure at the moment.

Apparently thieves operate in our local hospital car park.
Guard dogs are operating at ours. I imagine, 'Woof, scalpel, I'll have this bone when I've finished'.
[quote][p][bold]makaveli96[/bold] wrote: The NHS are really cutting back on expenditure at the moment. Apparently thieves operate in our local hospital car park.[/p][/quote]Guard dogs are operating at ours. I imagine, 'Woof, scalpel, I'll have this bone when I've finished'. mikebuk

8:18pm Mon 24 Sep 12

buckoff says...

jessrovers wrote:
The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them.
These angry motorists should also realise that the wardens are just doing their job and do not deserve all the stick and verbal abuse that they receive. They are following the rules of their bosses and do not get comission for the number of cars booked and no I am not a warden.
Take it you have never been to the gym . It is retail there's a huge retail shop. When your on your rounds dishing out tickets take a look!!!
[quote][p][bold]jessrovers[/bold] wrote: The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them. These angry motorists should also realise that the wardens are just doing their job and do not deserve all the stick and verbal abuse that they receive. They are following the rules of their bosses and do not get comission for the number of cars booked and no I am not a warden.[/p][/quote]Take it you have never been to the gym . It is retail there's a huge retail shop. When your on your rounds dishing out tickets take a look!!! buckoff

8:28pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Nelson J says...

jessrovers says...
'The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them.'

DW gym IS part of the same site. I can't understand why it is being described as a retail park..........it's a cinema, a bowling complex, a sports shop and a gym.
jessrovers says... 'The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them.' DW gym IS part of the same site. I can't understand why it is being described as a retail park..........it's a cinema, a bowling complex, a sports shop and a gym. Nelson J

8:31pm Mon 24 Sep 12

turd moor says...

this company booked a girl at my work,she looked up at the company and there not a legal company,double check it through google
this company booked a girl at my work,she looked up at the company and there not a legal company,double check it through google turd moor

8:54pm Mon 24 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

Another good way is to ring them, pretend your an elderly gentleman, and say in a tearful voice, "my son passed away last week, he couldn't cope with the pressure of your letters"! I've done it a few times, they never ring back!
Another good way is to ring them, pretend your an elderly gentleman, and say in a tearful voice, "my son passed away last week, he couldn't cope with the pressure of your letters"! I've done it a few times, they never ring back! makaveli96

8:54pm Mon 24 Sep 12

CapitaBackHander says...

jessrovers wrote:
The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them.
These angry motorists should also realise that the wardens are just doing their job and do not deserve all the stick and verbal abuse that they receive. They are following the rules of their bosses and do not get comission for the number of cars booked and no I am not a warden.
That is a pretty idiotic comment!
[quote][p][bold]jessrovers[/bold] wrote: The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them. These angry motorists should also realise that the wardens are just doing their job and do not deserve all the stick and verbal abuse that they receive. They are following the rules of their bosses and do not get comission for the number of cars booked and no I am not a warden.[/p][/quote]That is a pretty idiotic comment! CapitaBackHander

9:16pm Mon 24 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

Nelson J wrote:
jessrovers says...
'The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them.'

DW gym IS part of the same site. I can't understand why it is being described as a retail park..........it's a cinema, a bowling complex, a sports shop and a gym.
But surely if your team has won the Premiership and you were born and live in the town, then your exempt?
[quote][p][bold]Nelson J[/bold] wrote: jessrovers says... 'The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them.' DW gym IS part of the same site. I can't understand why it is being described as a retail park..........it's a cinema, a bowling complex, a sports shop and a gym.[/p][/quote]But surely if your team has won the Premiership and you were born and live in the town, then your exempt? makaveli96

9:35pm Mon 24 Sep 12

l m h jones says...

http://www.moneysavi
ngexpert.com/reclaim
/private-parking-tic
kets
http://www.moneysavi ngexpert.com/reclaim /private-parking-tic kets l m h jones

9:38pm Mon 24 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

Another good way is to ring them with payment! But go through the debit card number really really slow on the phone, make a crackling sound just before the last few digits, then hang up.

If possible break wind Loud down the phone!

Keep doing till they get fed up and you have wasted plenty of there time.
Another good way is to ring them with payment! But go through the debit card number really really slow on the phone, make a crackling sound just before the last few digits, then hang up. If possible break wind Loud down the phone! Keep doing till they get fed up and you have wasted plenty of there time. makaveli96

9:50pm Mon 24 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

You can also ring them and put on a really strong Scottish or Geordie accent. Or try the one where you speak with a bad stutter. All these are quality ways of putting the power back into your hands
You can also ring them and put on a really strong Scottish or Geordie accent. Or try the one where you speak with a bad stutter. All these are quality ways of putting the power back into your hands makaveli96

9:56pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Darrens Delivery Service says...

Robin, just ignore the idiots. There is sod all they can do. Believe me I have been there.
Robin, just ignore the idiots. There is sod all they can do. Believe me I have been there. Darrens Delivery Service

10:14pm Mon 24 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

The sign outside Liverpool John Lennon Airport has been amended this morning to read " Above us only sky ... and below us only QPR & Reading "
The sign outside Liverpool John Lennon Airport has been amended this morning to read " Above us only sky ... and below us only QPR & Reading " makaveli96

10:45pm Mon 24 Sep 12

vicn1956 says...

Tell the gym you will all boycott them until they sort it out.
Tell the gym you will all boycott them until they sort it out. vicn1956

6:37am Tue 25 Sep 12

MUDDLES says...

Nelson J wrote:
jessrovers says...
'The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them.'

DW gym IS part of the same site. I can't understand why it is being described as a retail park..........it's a cinema, a bowling complex, a sports shop and a gym.
WHAT A LOAD OF "CODS-WALLOP".......
..they are illegal !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Nelson J[/bold] wrote: jessrovers says... 'The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them.' DW gym IS part of the same site. I can't understand why it is being described as a retail park..........it's a cinema, a bowling complex, a sports shop and a gym.[/p][/quote]WHAT A LOAD OF "CODS-WALLOP"....... ..they are illegal !!!!! MUDDLES

6:37am Tue 25 Sep 12

MUDDLES says...

Nelson J wrote:
jessrovers says...
'The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them.'

DW gym IS part of the same site. I can't understand why it is being described as a retail park..........it's a cinema, a bowling complex, a sports shop and a gym.
WHAT A LOAD OF "CODS-WALLOP".......
..they are illegal !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Nelson J[/bold] wrote: jessrovers says... 'The clue is in the wording, `retail' I don;t believe that a gym classes as retail therefore it follows that if you leave the retail site and go to the gym then you will get a fine. Why do people think rules shouldn't apply to them.' DW gym IS part of the same site. I can't understand why it is being described as a retail park..........it's a cinema, a bowling complex, a sports shop and a gym.[/p][/quote]WHAT A LOAD OF "CODS-WALLOP"....... ..they are illegal !!!!! MUDDLES

7:49am Tue 25 Sep 12

Malthus says...

chris283 wrote:
one word leaches
Don't be so pedantic.
[quote][p][bold]chris283[/bold] wrote: one word leaches[/p][/quote]Don't be so pedantic. Malthus

8:09pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Darwenbert says...

phil kernot wrote:
ITS PRIVATE CARPARK NOT COVERED BY ROAD TRAFFIC ACT , CANT MAKE YOU DISCLOSE WHO THE DRIVER WAS , CAN ONLY GO TO COUNTY COURT , COSTS TO MUCH TO GET YOU THERE , WHAT WILL THE JUDGE SAY HOW MUCH DID YOU LOSE , AND THE COMPANY WOULD HAVE TO SAY ZERO , COSTS TO THE PLANTIFF OF ZERO , , NEVER PAID A CAR PARK CHARGE YET
correct
[quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: ITS PRIVATE CARPARK NOT COVERED BY ROAD TRAFFIC ACT , CANT MAKE YOU DISCLOSE WHO THE DRIVER WAS , CAN ONLY GO TO COUNTY COURT , COSTS TO MUCH TO GET YOU THERE , WHAT WILL THE JUDGE SAY HOW MUCH DID YOU LOSE , AND THE COMPANY WOULD HAVE TO SAY ZERO , COSTS TO THE PLANTIFF OF ZERO , , NEVER PAID A CAR PARK CHARGE YET[/p][/quote]correct Darwenbert

6:28am Sat 29 Sep 12

slimitus says...

I wouldn't pay it. I'm pretty sure that IF it went to court the court would rule against the fine.
I wouldn't pay it. I'm pretty sure that IF it went to court the court would rule against the fine. slimitus

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