Your comments: BBC Panorama documentary on Blackburn's Shadsworth estate

10:20am Wednesday 12th September 2012 in News

Last night's BBC Panorama documentary looked at problems of poverty, drug use and unemployment on Blackburn's Shadsworth estate.

The programme attracted a huge reaction from Lancashire Telegraph readers - some agreeing with its tone, others angry at the way the area was portrayed.

Here's a selection of the best comments posted on the Lancashire Telegraph website after the programme was aired:

  • Still can afford mobile phones,game consoles,and 40" tvs despite saying we are struggling to buy food etc allan1957 Wow I vote Alwyn for the next supernanny! She doesn't endorse school but smokes weed & wants her kids to know about drugs...this is why shads being portrayed as it is!!!

Fire Fly

  • Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .

BritainfortheBritish

  • Ah yes lets keep foaming at the mouth about "benefit scroungers", lets not look at the benefit scrounging bankers,who pocketed hundreds of billions in corporate welfare,lets not turn our anger on tax dodging billionaires and mega corporations who've dodged billions in tax.We should be screaming like hell about the wars, the funding of Syrian "rebels",government `corruption and cover ups,but we dont because we get angry/scared about thing like benefit scroungers. That's a bit 1990s isn't it? now that there's no hiding place for the scrounging bankers, the benefit scroungers have no carcass to hide behind. You can forget trying to side-track the discussion about garbage benefit swindlers on either side by bringing nonsense about Syria in to it. It's a non starter that those hiding behind their Giros wish would conceal their duplicities.

Good call

  • And MP Jack Straw said: “Shadsworth is improving and I have visited far, far worse estates elsewhere in the country.” Is that the best you can do, Jack? Pathetic.

happycyclist

  • The environment is not bad. Any problems stems from the selfish, low iq adults. The kids their are fine, it is the negative adults who are the problem.

Lancistan

  • It was such a shame as well to see children being influenced by their 'parents' to lead the lives they are doing - where do social services come into this? Footage doesn't lie, and neither do first hand testaments. A real real shame.

impartial83

  • Im thinking I may have to work more than my full time hours to pay more tax to keep the likes of Alwyn in the life she is accustomed to .... she cant possibly get up early to go to work!!

VicLou

  • 'I wanted to be a firefighter but I ended up being an arsonist'....classic!!

Nelson J

  • I watched it and it made me cry by how truthful it were.

Stuart Farquar

  • The entire estate is a no go area these days its been like that for many years now, the estate has had this reputation for a long time. some 95% of people living in this gheto seem to like this stigma that comes with the place after all the council provided very good houses but the clientel in the homes have ruined the estate. People who have little education & also have a bad attitude towards anything thats out of there comfort zone simply creat hell for others. the mind set for a lot of people is to simply collect there handouts from the government with little hope of them making any effort to contribute to society like it or not people shall come out with every excuse in the book not to do the right thing. Its not only shad thats in this position look at Green Lane, Intack, Hill Hill Higher Croft & more.

Pommie Art

  • I watched the programme tonight and although fully aware of the difficulties within that community feel sad that everyone within that community should have to put up with all of that unease. Total dismay and anger but little surprised as to how poorly the leaders of Blackburn with Darwen council have dealt with these problems over the years. It’s not as though they are strangers to these facts is it?The now happily retired Jack Straw and his politically favoured crew should do well to take a walk or even a taxi to see for themselves what little they have done for the people who live there. Those very well paid people can blame nobody but themselves and little wonder few of them actually live in Blackburn. They are a total disgrace!

district01

  • I Live on the Shasworth estate lived here for 11 years and i found this documentary quite gloomy, There are a lot of decent people on the Shadsworth estate that do look after their homes and go to work.

Lynn_Blackburn

  • So hang on I'm working 37.5 hours a week to EARN £1200 and Olwyn gets £1100 for sitting on her lazy posterior?! I'm expected to run a house from my wage yet, all her housing / decorating etc needs have already been met and DON'T even come out of the £1100?!

I get abuse telling me to go 'back to my own country' yet my taxes are paying for the lazy likes of Olwyn and the rest of the 16-30 year olds on that estate without a job! Unbelievable! Its a real shambles! Absolutely disgusting, it makes me sick!

Disgusted31

  • Let us examine the facts contained in the broadcast:

1. Drugs: I dare say you'll find just as many small-time drug dealers operating in and around even the more affluent suburbs of Northern towns and cities. I trust the local police force (service?) will target those persons captured on film.

2. Anti-social behaviour: children being loud, gathering in groups, drinking, misbehaving. Hardly the stuff of nightmares nor isolated to sink estates, though I do worry for the future of some of those kids given their obvious social and communication problems.

3. Work-shy: we were presented with a 'single mother' who cannot or will not work (prescription drug dependency owing to and/or perpetuating her depression), a two-parent family struggling but powering through (the father was working), a third family of varying and forgettable qualities, and a handful of rather under-motivated young men. It is difficult to adequately judge an estate and its 2,000 strong community (too strong a word?) by such a small cross-section, but clearly those specific young men could and should be working, and (easy as it may be to state) it might benefit the lady's mental and physical health to take one of the jobs on offer, quit smoking and where possible reduce the amount of medication she was administering.

4. Cleanliness: boarded up shops, grafitti, rubbish in the streets/alleyways; rather nicely fits the template of the 'run down estate' doesn't it. However, take heed of the current economic 'climate' which has also affected many supposedly/relatively affluent areas across England and beyond. It should go without saying that one should respect one's environment, and particularly one's home. The prevalence of litter and poorly maintained gardens and driveways will certainly have an effect on the residents of any street/estate/town/city, and only serves to perpetuate or exacerbate any existing perceptions of despair. People should have some pride in their home and area, and should feel personal shame if they cannot be bothered to modify their own or their offspring's behaviour.

And so, the programme ended without fanfare or promise of improvement - merely a grim tale of human woe. We all had a chance to feel a bit sympathetic for an hour, and be thankful we don't live in or very near that or any similar estate. One thing is stark: a person working is a person contributing; a happier/healthier person (one hopes); a person with some aspirations; a person with hope. Once the hope has gone, the rest follows, and in its wake come the vices.

Having said all that, and in the mean spirit, knee-jerk barbaric sensationalism of 'today's society' - and with a heavy dose of irony - of the lesser residents of Shadsworth, I don't know whether to cry with sadness, or shoot the lot of 'em.

chillax

  • Ask yourself some questions.

1 - would you like to live there?

2 - would you open a shop there?

3 - would you park your car there overnight?

fireonthemountain

  • Such a shame to see. It ignored many positive aspects of the people who live there. I grew up there in the 70's. People had jobs then, and took pride in their community. We left in 78 as it was "getting rough".

egbutnobacon

  • Typical BBC - Full of Lies!!!

roversjeff

  • Twin Valley Homes should have ZERO TOLERANCE of drug misuse and antisocial behaviour in their properties and evict those responsible instead of giving those people multiple chances which they abuse(and they should be blacklisted once evicted so NOBODY wants to house them. That would solve the problems.

AnthonyUK 

  • It is a shame because I'm sure there are far more hard working and well behaved families on the estate who have to watch day after day the foolish Council teams and Police spending both a disproportionate amount of time and money dealing with these "troubled" families and yuffs!!!! Waste or time and money, spend it on the families who actually would benefit from the money and have already shown they can be part of Society!

stevieababy100

LT readers also took to Twitter to express their views on the documentary:

  • Confirmed that our decision to leave Blackburn many years ago was the right one. Not a good advert for Blackburn, very sad.

@a_cairns

  • Sadly that's today's society. Scroats brought up never seeing a parent ever work have no work ethic themselves, sad!!

@wrooty69

  • same as any other estate in the country I know I've worked in worse places. Luton is the worse place ever @alodge28 did it really show the real Shadsworth? Or that of a small minority?

@ruthmetcalfe

If parents have no aspirations or motivations then no hope for the kids? No matter where u live parenting is the key!

@louJ_72

  • Shadsworth looked ok despite BBCs attempts to edit it in a bad light. Paradise compared to moss side / wythenshawe etc.

@spezial_1

  • How on earth a species that can send men to the moon also produce such foul mouthed vulgar idiots is beyond me.

@AyubPatel123

  • my guess is its not totally representative but 'its not worth going to work because of benefits' is worrying and disgusting @catherinesprest Not the Blackburn i know not the Shad I know, southern based journalists grim up north angle.

@bickerblackburn

  • Could be any deprived town in Britain. No mines or cotton mills, no industry, no work, thriving drug culture.

@markjepson62

  • 1,000's of estates like this in UK not just Blackburn. need to break this cycle.

@ewoodeagle

  • why did #panorama not look at STREETSuk project or people who campaigned hard to save the leisure centre?

@halcyondaisy

  • my dad's been the milkman on shad for years. Bad families are not reflective of alot of the decent people on that estate @FGBen Shad is not all bad, sad negative portrayal. Will do nothing to raise aspirations and will stigmatise those from there.

@homewithwheels

  • The estate is very deprived, but despite there being many problems, there are good things going on!

@nmclean77

  • it's not all doom. Big Local board are local residents working to improve the area

    @amanda_CBP
     
  • I blame the parents for these troubled kids. They've no role models.

@lisaconnolly27

  • It's very one-sided. Some good folk up there being painted with this brush. No doubt there ARE problems though.

@he6rt6gr6m

Finally, Blackburn Council leader Kate Hollern criticised the programme:

  • Very biased and not a true picture of Shadsworth which has a great community spirit.

@cllrkate

Did you see the documentary? What did you think of it? Leave YOUR comments below.

Comments (36)

10:33am Wed 12 Sep 12

jackmetickler says...

amazing comment from Blackburn council leader...Kate Hollern

"very biased and not true...."

Well these are real people on this estate and judging from some of the comments above then it is not a totally biased picture.

Maybe if you and Jack 'the leader of the asian community" actually put some effort into solving the obvious problems, then Panorama would not be using Blackburn as an example of broken Britian.

Yes there are many good people in the area but it is a well known fact that a few problem families can turn any area/estate into a nightmare.

No smoke without fire and you cannot just ignore the smoke and hope that the problem will go away.

Mind you people do get what they vote for.
amazing comment from Blackburn council leader...Kate Hollern "very biased and not true...." Well these are real people on this estate and judging from some of the comments above then it is not a totally biased picture. Maybe if you and Jack 'the leader of the asian community" actually put some effort into solving the obvious problems, then Panorama would not be using Blackburn as an example of broken Britian. Yes there are many good people in the area but it is a well known fact that a few problem families can turn any area/estate into a nightmare. No smoke without fire and you cannot just ignore the smoke and hope that the problem will go away. Mind you people do get what they vote for. jackmetickler

10:43am Wed 12 Sep 12

Moonman says...

Some of the statements in the programme were very misleading. I don't think Shadsworth is even the worst estate in Blackburn, never mind the whole country. This was a typically biased programme from the southern media who seem to forget that some of the worst estates in the country are in the inner city of our magnificent capital and, only 12 months ago, suffered from some of the worst rioting/lawlessness this country has ever witnessed- clearly the BBC weren't going to broadcast something so controversial so soon after London put on such a magnificent Olympic games. A northern council estate is a much easier target and plays up the media's image of the poor, grim north.

The problems highlighted in this programme, drug-dealing/boredom
,ASB etc could be said about any estate, anywhere in the country and yet again the BBC have wasted the licence-payers money by putting on yet another programme that highlights issues but doesn't provide or suggest any solutions.

Hopefully the uproar that this programme generates will force the politicians to look long and hard at social policy and falling standards of education. Unless morals, attitudes and values are tackled in some of these problem families, nothing will change and we will be having the same debate in 20 years time.
Some of the statements in the programme were very misleading. I don't think Shadsworth is even the worst estate in Blackburn, never mind the whole country. This was a typically biased programme from the southern media who seem to forget that some of the worst estates in the country are in the inner city of our magnificent capital and, only 12 months ago, suffered from some of the worst rioting/lawlessness this country has ever witnessed- clearly the BBC weren't going to broadcast something so controversial so soon after London put on such a magnificent Olympic games. A northern council estate is a much easier target and plays up the media's image of the poor, grim north. The problems highlighted in this programme, drug-dealing/boredom ,ASB etc could be said about any estate, anywhere in the country and yet again the BBC have wasted the licence-payers money by putting on yet another programme that highlights issues but doesn't provide or suggest any solutions. Hopefully the uproar that this programme generates will force the politicians to look long and hard at social policy and falling standards of education. Unless morals, attitudes and values are tackled in some of these problem families, nothing will change and we will be having the same debate in 20 years time. Moonman

10:47am Wed 12 Sep 12

alf-abett says...

Very indicative of peoples views and mine of Shad, it is many years since I had reason to visit the area on a regular basis but it certainly appears to have rapidly gone downhill.

Yes, it could be argued that it is a one sided view but the only people who know this for certain are the residents themselves so I will be interested to read their comments on here, yet what came across quite plainly was the fact that Shad does have some fat, lazy good for nothing lay abouts who see nothing wrong in using, selling, recommending drugs and pushers alike, disgraceful.The guy who works and tries to support his family is a credit and hopefully will soon be in possession of a decently paid job, good luck to him and his family, as for some of the others they should be kicked out and made to support themselves or start to pay back the community by doing work within the area and giving help to those that are in need.
Very indicative of peoples views and mine of Shad, it is many years since I had reason to visit the area on a regular basis but it certainly appears to have rapidly gone downhill. Yes, it could be argued that it is a one sided view but the only people who know this for certain are the residents themselves so I will be interested to read their comments on here, yet what came across quite plainly was the fact that Shad does have some fat, lazy good for nothing lay abouts who see nothing wrong in using, selling, recommending drugs and pushers alike, disgraceful.The guy who works and tries to support his family is a credit and hopefully will soon be in possession of a decently paid job, good luck to him and his family, as for some of the others they should be kicked out and made to support themselves or start to pay back the community by doing work within the area and giving help to those that are in need. alf-abett

10:54am Wed 12 Sep 12

shytalk says...

If those people had jobs to go to and a regular income do you think they would live like that? No. But what chance do they have when the only jobs in the area are for temporary agency workers, East european agency workers, or workfare.
Chickens are coming home to roost when this sort of documentary is shown and the politicians only have themselves to blame when it shows how broken Britain really is.
If those people had jobs to go to and a regular income do you think they would live like that? No. But what chance do they have when the only jobs in the area are for temporary agency workers, East european agency workers, or workfare. Chickens are coming home to roost when this sort of documentary is shown and the politicians only have themselves to blame when it shows how broken Britain really is. shytalk

11:02am Wed 12 Sep 12

angel2012 says...

To be honest I think Jack Useless Straw is a joke, these people need to get out and get a job instead of living off the state... As one woman said in the programme she has better things to be doing than going down to the job centre every couple of weeks and they should leave her alone, WELL IF SHE GOT A JOB SHE WOULDNT HAVE TO GO TO THE JOB CENTER. There is a job out there for EVERYONE, but some people are just dragged up and don’t care about their self or society and are just LAZY!!! Another one said she gets £1100 a month to live on and feed her two children, and will get her rent and council tax paid for... most people don’t get that a month and work full time. Maybe we should all go out and have children and live off the state if people are getting that much money a month for doing so... It is an embarrassment to Blackburn, and an embarrassment to this country… These people don’t work, but find money for drugs, as I said before the ‘LADY’ who said she has better things to do with her time than go to the job centre and who is on benefits can afford to smoke, smoke illegal drugs, and also drink as it shown her do in the programme, also her teenage daughter smokes drugs, So my question is WHO IS PAYING FOR THESE DRUGS, DRINKS AND CIGARETTES? Well us the tax payers are doing, benefits are to live of week to week and not there for low life’s to get high off. There benefits should be stopped and she should be forced to get a job like the rest of us working people…
To be honest I think Jack Useless Straw is a joke, these people need to get out and get a job instead of living off the state... As one woman said in the programme she has better things to be doing than going down to the job centre every couple of weeks and they should leave her alone, WELL IF SHE GOT A JOB SHE WOULDNT HAVE TO GO TO THE JOB CENTER. There is a job out there for EVERYONE, but some people are just dragged up and don’t care about their self or society and are just LAZY!!! Another one said she gets £1100 a month to live on and feed her two children, and will get her rent and council tax paid for... most people don’t get that a month and work full time. Maybe we should all go out and have children and live off the state if people are getting that much money a month for doing so... It is an embarrassment to Blackburn, and an embarrassment to this country… These people don’t work, but find money for drugs, as I said before the ‘LADY’ who said she has better things to do with her time than go to the job centre and who is on benefits can afford to smoke, smoke illegal drugs, and also drink as it shown her do in the programme, also her teenage daughter smokes drugs, So my question is WHO IS PAYING FOR THESE DRUGS, DRINKS AND CIGARETTES? Well us the tax payers are doing, benefits are to live of week to week and not there for low life’s to get high off. There benefits should be stopped and she should be forced to get a job like the rest of us working people… angel2012

11:04am Wed 12 Sep 12

Moonman says...

Shytalk - you suggest that people don't have jobs because "the only jobs in the area are for temporary agency workers, East european agency workers, or workfare?" These jobs are only done by these people because people in are own country are too lazy to get out and work, which this programme highlighted. A job is a job and if some of these work-shy parasites had the attitude of some of the Eastern Europeans, who will do anything if it means they have a job, then this country wouldn't be as broken as it is at the moment.
Shytalk - you suggest that people don't have jobs because "the only jobs in the area are for temporary agency workers, East european agency workers, or workfare?" These jobs are only done by these people because people in are own country are too lazy to get out and work, which this programme highlighted. A job is a job and if some of these work-shy parasites had the attitude of some of the Eastern Europeans, who will do anything if it means they have a job, then this country wouldn't be as broken as it is at the moment. Moonman

11:36am Wed 12 Sep 12

paulwhittaker says...

Undoubtedly, the programme emphasised the darker side of shade, but it also portrayed a reality. Unfortunately, it is a reality that I see whenever i visit Blackburn. It is a reality of what 30 years of high unemployment and an individualistic and materialistic culture will create.
What's needed are decent jobs and hope.
Undoubtedly, the programme emphasised the darker side of shade, but it also portrayed a reality. Unfortunately, it is a reality that I see whenever i visit Blackburn. It is a reality of what 30 years of high unemployment and an individualistic and materialistic culture will create. What's needed are decent jobs and hope. paulwhittaker

11:51am Wed 12 Sep 12

deejayfatboy says...

i lived on 'SHAD' for 13 yrs and it was nothing like they said!!!
i lived on 'SHAD' for 13 yrs and it was nothing like they said!!! deejayfatboy

12:02pm Wed 12 Sep 12

burner says...

Thought the BBC told it like it is. As for the amenities and what we saw in the background behind the participants . . . . . don't have to travel far to see Falinge in Rochdale - 100% worse there , real no-hopers with zero stuff or greenery.
Thought the BBC told it like it is. As for the amenities and what we saw in the background behind the participants . . . . . don't have to travel far to see Falinge in Rochdale - 100% worse there , real no-hopers with zero stuff or greenery. burner

12:33pm Wed 12 Sep 12

darwen_celeb says...

Deprived and depraved. The Council, Police and Judicial System are to blame... too soft, too, lazy and too stupid.

This documentary was quite sad really, it's a real shame for the kids that are exposed to what occurs on the estate and the retards that are entrusted to bring them up.

The guy who was in the film that works at Furnhurst School is a winner, I've seen him with his class in public and has them disciplined and under control, better behaved than other 'typical' schools - I think his name is 'IAN'... if only there were more people as capable as he - keep up the good work Ian.
Deprived and depraved. The Council, Police and Judicial System are to blame... too soft, too, lazy and too stupid. This documentary was quite sad really, it's a real shame for the kids that are exposed to what occurs on the estate and the retards that are entrusted to bring them up. The guy who was in the film that works at Furnhurst School is a winner, I've seen him with his class in public and has them disciplined and under control, better behaved than other 'typical' schools - I think his name is 'IAN'... if only there were more people as capable as he - keep up the good work Ian. darwen_celeb

12:34pm Wed 12 Sep 12

darwen_celeb says...

Deprived and depraved. The Council, Police and Judicial System are to blame... too soft, too, lazy and too stupid.

This documentary was quite sad really, it's a real shame for the kids that are exposed to what occurs on the estate and the retards that are entrusted to bring them up.

The guy who was in the film that works at Furnhurst School is a winner, I've seen him with his class in public and has them disciplined and under control, better behaved than other 'typical' schools - I think his name is 'IAN'... if only there were more people as capable as he - keep up the good work Ian.
Deprived and depraved. The Council, Police and Judicial System are to blame... too soft, too, lazy and too stupid. This documentary was quite sad really, it's a real shame for the kids that are exposed to what occurs on the estate and the retards that are entrusted to bring them up. The guy who was in the film that works at Furnhurst School is a winner, I've seen him with his class in public and has them disciplined and under control, better behaved than other 'typical' schools - I think his name is 'IAN'... if only there were more people as capable as he - keep up the good work Ian. darwen_celeb

12:40pm Wed 12 Sep 12

jack daniels says...

It broke my heart to watch that lad asking for some time to see his dad.

Love like that is priceless.

I hope his changes his mind and see the lad again.
It broke my heart to watch that lad asking for some time to see his dad. Love like that is priceless. I hope his changes his mind and see the lad again. jack daniels

1:11pm Wed 12 Sep 12

BritainfortheBritish says...

Fags / mobiles / games consoles / mini motorbikes .I have no doubt sky tv as well .

Not exactly signs of poverty but signs of a misuse of benefits money and shows they are actually getting far to much .

Time to make them take any job minimum wage or not .
Fags / mobiles / games consoles / mini motorbikes .I have no doubt sky tv as well . Not exactly signs of poverty but signs of a misuse of benefits money and shows they are actually getting far to much . Time to make them take any job minimum wage or not . BritainfortheBritish

1:18pm Wed 12 Sep 12

juanbbien says...

We have nothing to do,well what do you want to do,I don't know,so we will all sit around and try to think of something to amuse you,they all want what ever on a plate delivered to them,grow up and do something,think for your selves instead of being a sheep there is more going on today then ever if you make an effort.
We have nothing to do,well what do you want to do,I don't know,so we will all sit around and try to think of something to amuse you,they all want what ever on a plate delivered to them,grow up and do something,think for your selves instead of being a sheep there is more going on today then ever if you make an effort. juanbbien

1:22pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Fire Fly says...

jack daniels wrote:
It broke my heart to watch that lad asking for some time to see his dad.

Love like that is priceless.

I hope his changes his mind and see the lad again.
At the end of the programme it said he had had contact with his Dad but it hadn't continued. Such a shame.
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: It broke my heart to watch that lad asking for some time to see his dad. Love like that is priceless. I hope his changes his mind and see the lad again.[/p][/quote]At the end of the programme it said he had had contact with his Dad but it hadn't continued. Such a shame. Fire Fly

1:22pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Commenting says...

Governments are to blame for allowing such people to live off the backs of the hardworking taxpayers of this country.
The interviewer asked if they had tried to get a job - who would employ such useless scroats.
It really is true that you cannot make a silk purse out of a sows arse and you cannot help such inadequate people as these.
Governments just throw more and more money in the form of benefits at the problem with no end solution.
Withdraw much of the finances and make them fend for themselves or make them work for their benefits.
We, the taxpayers of this country are sick and tired of those do-gooders and bleeding hearts who seek to defend the "poor and disadvantaged".
Governments are to blame for allowing such people to live off the backs of the hardworking taxpayers of this country. The interviewer asked if they had tried to get a job - who would employ such useless scroats. It really is true that you cannot make a silk purse out of a sows arse and you cannot help such inadequate people as these. Governments just throw more and more money in the form of benefits at the problem with no end solution. Withdraw much of the finances and make them fend for themselves or make them work for their benefits. We, the taxpayers of this country are sick and tired of those do-gooders and bleeding hearts who seek to defend the "poor and disadvantaged". Commenting

1:33pm Wed 12 Sep 12

mys says...

Children live how they learn,I blame the parents mostly,you don't have kids to drag them up and live of benefits,half of the parents today are numpty heads and expect the government to pay for them to live like that lot,it's not just up shads worth ,these type of lowlifes or everywhere ,if people have worked for what they have and lost there jobs then yes the government does need to pay for them,it's when scumbags have never worked a day in there life and get everything for free,this is what annoys us,no one should starve or have to struggle in life but I think the government need to give vouchers to people like them lot and make sure it gets spent on food not fags or drugs etc,they'd soon go out and find a job then,get some self respect the lot of you ,teach your kids some a well,people now know why the world is like it is today,but let's face it you CAN'T EDUCATE PORK
Children live how they learn,I blame the parents mostly,you don't have kids to drag them up and live of benefits,half of the parents today are numpty heads and expect the government to pay for them to live like that lot,it's not just up shads worth ,these type of lowlifes or everywhere ,if people have worked for what they have and lost there jobs then yes the government does need to pay for them,it's when scumbags have never worked a day in there life and get everything for free,this is what annoys us,no one should starve or have to struggle in life but I think the government need to give vouchers to people like them lot and make sure it gets spent on food not fags or drugs etc,they'd soon go out and find a job then,get some self respect the lot of you ,teach your kids some a well,people now know why the world is like it is today,but let's face it you CAN'T EDUCATE PORK mys

1:45pm Wed 12 Sep 12

jack daniels says...

mys wrote:
Children live how they learn,I blame the parents mostly,you don't have kids to drag them up and live of benefits,half of the parents today are numpty heads and expect the government to pay for them to live like that lot,it's not just up shads worth ,these type of lowlifes or everywhere ,if people have worked for what they have and lost there jobs then yes the government does need to pay for them,it's when scumbags have never worked a day in there life and get everything for free,this is what annoys us,no one should starve or have to struggle in life but I think the government need to give vouchers to people like them lot and make sure it gets spent on food not fags or drugs etc,they'd soon go out and find a job then,get some self respect the lot of you ,teach your kids some a well,people now know why the world is like it is today,but let's face it you CAN'T EDUCATE PORK
you CAN'T EDUCATE PORK ???
[quote][p][bold]mys[/bold] wrote: Children live how they learn,I blame the parents mostly,you don't have kids to drag them up and live of benefits,half of the parents today are numpty heads and expect the government to pay for them to live like that lot,it's not just up shads worth ,these type of lowlifes or everywhere ,if people have worked for what they have and lost there jobs then yes the government does need to pay for them,it's when scumbags have never worked a day in there life and get everything for free,this is what annoys us,no one should starve or have to struggle in life but I think the government need to give vouchers to people like them lot and make sure it gets spent on food not fags or drugs etc,they'd soon go out and find a job then,get some self respect the lot of you ,teach your kids some a well,people now know why the world is like it is today,but let's face it you CAN'T EDUCATE PORK[/p][/quote]you CAN'T EDUCATE PORK ??? jack daniels

2:01pm Wed 12 Sep 12

BritainfortheBritish says...

There are streams and canals to clean . Graffitti to wash off etc etc .Get these lazy ar ses working for their money .
I really resent my taxes going towards these dossers and more so foreign dossers that are coming to our country to scrounge .
There are streams and canals to clean . Graffitti to wash off etc etc .Get these lazy ar ses working for their money . I really resent my taxes going towards these dossers and more so foreign dossers that are coming to our country to scrounge . BritainfortheBritish

3:12pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Noiticer says...

When estates such as Shadsworth, Intack, Longshaw etc were built the people who moved in were often hard working and saw a council house as a step up from a damp,depressing terrace. They were aspirational and wanted a better future for themselves and their children. Sadly, the intervening years of neo liberal capitalism, acquisitive materialism and an economic downward spiral caused largely by politicians who have followed the wrong course have led to the creation of a society of them and us in which, eventually we shall all lose out.
And as for those 'foreign dossers'who are labelled as scroungers the vast majority are decent, hard working and law abiding people who are aspirational for themselves and their families. Remember, the EU allows UK citizens to freely live and work in other member states as many do
When estates such as Shadsworth, Intack, Longshaw etc were built the people who moved in were often hard working and saw a council house as a step up from a damp,depressing terrace. They were aspirational and wanted a better future for themselves and their children. Sadly, the intervening years of neo liberal capitalism, acquisitive materialism and an economic downward spiral caused largely by politicians who have followed the wrong course have led to the creation of a society of them and us in which, eventually we shall all lose out. And as for those 'foreign dossers'who are labelled as scroungers the vast majority are decent, hard working and law abiding people who are aspirational for themselves and their families. Remember, the EU allows UK citizens to freely live and work in other member states as many do Noiticer

3:23pm Wed 12 Sep 12

enviro says...

jackmetickler wrote:
amazing comment from Blackburn council leader...Kate Hollern

"very biased and not true...."

Well these are real people on this estate and judging from some of the comments above then it is not a totally biased picture.

Maybe if you and Jack 'the leader of the asian community" actually put some effort into solving the obvious problems, then Panorama would not be using Blackburn as an example of broken Britian.

Yes there are many good people in the area but it is a well known fact that a few problem families can turn any area/estate into a nightmare.

No smoke without fire and you cannot just ignore the smoke and hope that the problem will go away.

Mind you people do get what they vote for.
I blame the parents, i used to live in shadsworth for many years and it was a lovely estate. Children will always follow their parents footsteps and this does seem to be the problem here. Many of the parents take drugs and fight in the street as I myself have witnessed before leaving the area, I have even witnessed the parents telling the kids to fight each other. Stupid parents who dont give a **** how their children grow up and let them do exactly what they want, If they loved their kids they would care what they were up to. POOR CHILDREN!! I feel very sorry for all the decent people who still live on the estate and there are plenty surely its not all bad. The council should have a no tolerence rule to parents who just dont care about their kids, make them move and shadsworth can be a lovely place as it once was
[quote][p][bold]jackmetickler[/bold] wrote: amazing comment from Blackburn council leader...Kate Hollern "very biased and not true...." Well these are real people on this estate and judging from some of the comments above then it is not a totally biased picture. Maybe if you and Jack 'the leader of the asian community" actually put some effort into solving the obvious problems, then Panorama would not be using Blackburn as an example of broken Britian. Yes there are many good people in the area but it is a well known fact that a few problem families can turn any area/estate into a nightmare. No smoke without fire and you cannot just ignore the smoke and hope that the problem will go away. Mind you people do get what they vote for.[/p][/quote]I blame the parents, i used to live in shadsworth for many years and it was a lovely estate. Children will always follow their parents footsteps and this does seem to be the problem here. Many of the parents take drugs and fight in the street as I myself have witnessed before leaving the area, I have even witnessed the parents telling the kids to fight each other. Stupid parents who dont give a **** how their children grow up and let them do exactly what they want, If they loved their kids they would care what they were up to. POOR CHILDREN!! I feel very sorry for all the decent people who still live on the estate and there are plenty surely its not all bad. The council should have a no tolerence rule to parents who just dont care about their kids, make them move and shadsworth can be a lovely place as it once was enviro

4:12pm Wed 12 Sep 12

alf-abett says...

Noiticer wrote:
When estates such as Shadsworth, Intack, Longshaw etc were built the people who moved in were often hard working and saw a council house as a step up from a damp,depressing terrace. They were aspirational and wanted a better future for themselves and their children. Sadly, the intervening years of neo liberal capitalism, acquisitive materialism and an economic downward spiral caused largely by politicians who have followed the wrong course have led to the creation of a society of them and us in which, eventually we shall all lose out.
And as for those 'foreign dossers'who are labelled as scroungers the vast majority are decent, hard working and law abiding people who are aspirational for themselves and their families. Remember, the EU allows UK citizens to freely live and work in other member states as many do
I agree with most of your comments but certainly not your presumption that successive governments have created a society of "them" and "us" this scenario has always been around ever since brains were dished out. I can guarantee that if you gave five pounds each to a group of one hundred people within a very short period of time that one thousand pounds would be in the hands of just two or three of them. That's life!
[quote][p][bold]Noiticer[/bold] wrote: When estates such as Shadsworth, Intack, Longshaw etc were built the people who moved in were often hard working and saw a council house as a step up from a damp,depressing terrace. They were aspirational and wanted a better future for themselves and their children. Sadly, the intervening years of neo liberal capitalism, acquisitive materialism and an economic downward spiral caused largely by politicians who have followed the wrong course have led to the creation of a society of them and us in which, eventually we shall all lose out. And as for those 'foreign dossers'who are labelled as scroungers the vast majority are decent, hard working and law abiding people who are aspirational for themselves and their families. Remember, the EU allows UK citizens to freely live and work in other member states as many do[/p][/quote]I agree with most of your comments but certainly not your presumption that successive governments have created a society of "them" and "us" this scenario has always been around ever since brains were dished out. I can guarantee that if you gave five pounds each to a group of one hundred people within a very short period of time that one thousand pounds would be in the hands of just two or three of them. That's life! alf-abett

4:16pm Wed 12 Sep 12

alf-abett says...

Noiticer wrote:
When estates such as Shadsworth, Intack, Longshaw etc were built the people who moved in were often hard working and saw a council house as a step up from a damp,depressing terrace. They were aspirational and wanted a better future for themselves and their children. Sadly, the intervening years of neo liberal capitalism, acquisitive materialism and an economic downward spiral caused largely by politicians who have followed the wrong course have led to the creation of a society of them and us in which, eventually we shall all lose out.
And as for those 'foreign dossers'who are labelled as scroungers the vast majority are decent, hard working and law abiding people who are aspirational for themselves and their families. Remember, the EU allows UK citizens to freely live and work in other member states as many do
Sorry Noticer. Posted my comment against the wrong post. SORRY!
[quote][p][bold]Noiticer[/bold] wrote: When estates such as Shadsworth, Intack, Longshaw etc were built the people who moved in were often hard working and saw a council house as a step up from a damp,depressing terrace. They were aspirational and wanted a better future for themselves and their children. Sadly, the intervening years of neo liberal capitalism, acquisitive materialism and an economic downward spiral caused largely by politicians who have followed the wrong course have led to the creation of a society of them and us in which, eventually we shall all lose out. And as for those 'foreign dossers'who are labelled as scroungers the vast majority are decent, hard working and law abiding people who are aspirational for themselves and their families. Remember, the EU allows UK citizens to freely live and work in other member states as many do[/p][/quote]Sorry Noticer. Posted my comment against the wrong post. SORRY! alf-abett

4:25pm Wed 12 Sep 12

raggedtrouseredphilanthropist says...

Unemployment, low wages and alienated youth are not caused by Shadsworth type estates. It is precisely the opposite!
Unemployment, low wages and alienated youth are not caused by Shadsworth type estates. It is precisely the opposite! raggedtrouseredphilanthropist

4:44pm Wed 12 Sep 12

jimpy0 says...

The billions we send abroad and the EU would make a huge difference to these estates and society in general.
The billions we send abroad and the EU would make a huge difference to these estates and society in general. jimpy0

5:15pm Wed 12 Sep 12

nanyymac says...

I suggest they go back to shad and film the hard working ppl of shad and the good things ppl do mary anderson has done loads of good things and works hard everyday to improve things and everyone else that is trying to improve it
I suggest they go back to shad and film the hard working ppl of shad and the good things ppl do mary anderson has done loads of good things and works hard everyday to improve things and everyone else that is trying to improve it nanyymac

6:26pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Ryn525 says...

Unfortunately the reputation of The Shad estate proceeds it. Having had friends and family living on it for over 30 years I can assure you it is that bad. While every deprived area has its good hard working decent families that do their best with their meagre earning there are also the likes of others who won't get off they're backsides as they have it too easy. I don't begrudge someone having a nice tv or games consoles etc what bugs me is the benefit scrounges who fane illness and get everything paid for them, they have no money but can afford fags, and the latest trainers for their kids.
Alot of improvement needs to be forward and the comments by jack straw and kate holler are not helpful, a case of 'cover it up and we won't see it ' Someone needs to stand up and say this isn't good enough for this generation and take a stand, clear the drugs and the troublemakers. It's such a shame as most of the people there are the nicest people you'll ever meet.
Unfortunately the reputation of The Shad estate proceeds it. Having had friends and family living on it for over 30 years I can assure you it is that bad. While every deprived area has its good hard working decent families that do their best with their meagre earning there are also the likes of others who won't get off they're backsides as they have it too easy. I don't begrudge someone having a nice tv or games consoles etc what bugs me is the benefit scrounges who fane illness and get everything paid for them, they have no money but can afford fags, and the latest trainers for their kids. Alot of improvement needs to be forward and the comments by jack straw and kate holler are not helpful, a case of 'cover it up and we won't see it ' Someone needs to stand up and say this isn't good enough for this generation and take a stand, clear the drugs and the troublemakers. It's such a shame as most of the people there are the nicest people you'll ever meet. Ryn525

7:07pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Reedley says...

I thought the documentary was rather conservative, it's much worse if you were to go and have a look! Fortunately Blackburn is 65% Asian and these areas are standing up much better albeit they are painted in pick and yellow. I can't say the future for black burn is orange, far from it!
I thought the documentary was rather conservative, it's much worse if you were to go and have a look! Fortunately Blackburn is 65% Asian and these areas are standing up much better albeit they are painted in pick and yellow. I can't say the future for black burn is orange, far from it! Reedley

8:25pm Wed 12 Sep 12

bigfella777 says...

Every parent knows right from wrong.Every parent can set an example.Every parent can sit around on AD's,smoking cannabis and drinking,thank god that they dont or then where would we be?
Every parent knows right from wrong.Every parent can set an example.Every parent can sit around on AD's,smoking cannabis and drinking,thank god that they dont or then where would we be? bigfella777

8:37pm Wed 12 Sep 12

raggedtrouseredphilanthropist says...

alf-abett wrote:
Noiticer wrote:
When estates such as Shadsworth, Intack, Longshaw etc were built the people who moved in were often hard working and saw a council house as a step up from a damp,depressing terrace. They were aspirational and wanted a better future for themselves and their children. Sadly, the intervening years of neo liberal capitalism, acquisitive materialism and an economic downward spiral caused largely by politicians who have followed the wrong course have led to the creation of a society of them and us in which, eventually we shall all lose out.
And as for those 'foreign dossers'who are labelled as scroungers the vast majority are decent, hard working and law abiding people who are aspirational for themselves and their families. Remember, the EU allows UK citizens to freely live and work in other member states as many do
I agree with most of your comments but certainly not your presumption that successive governments have created a society of "them" and "us" this scenario has always been around ever since brains were dished out. I can guarantee that if you gave five pounds each to a group of one hundred people within a very short period of time that one thousand pounds would be in the hands of just two or three of them. That's life!
You say "ever since brains were dished out.... I can guarantee that if you gave FIVE pounds each to a group of ONE HUNDRED people within a very short period of time that ONE THOUSAND pounds would be in the hands of just two or three of them"

Please explain, where did the other £500 come from?
[quote][p][bold]alf-abett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noiticer[/bold] wrote: When estates such as Shadsworth, Intack, Longshaw etc were built the people who moved in were often hard working and saw a council house as a step up from a damp,depressing terrace. They were aspirational and wanted a better future for themselves and their children. Sadly, the intervening years of neo liberal capitalism, acquisitive materialism and an economic downward spiral caused largely by politicians who have followed the wrong course have led to the creation of a society of them and us in which, eventually we shall all lose out. And as for those 'foreign dossers'who are labelled as scroungers the vast majority are decent, hard working and law abiding people who are aspirational for themselves and their families. Remember, the EU allows UK citizens to freely live and work in other member states as many do[/p][/quote]I agree with most of your comments but certainly not your presumption that successive governments have created a society of "them" and "us" this scenario has always been around ever since brains were dished out. I can guarantee that if you gave five pounds each to a group of one hundred people within a very short period of time that one thousand pounds would be in the hands of just two or three of them. That's life![/p][/quote]You say "ever since brains were dished out.... I can guarantee that if you gave FIVE pounds each to a group of ONE HUNDRED people within a very short period of time that ONE THOUSAND pounds would be in the hands of just two or three of them" Please explain, where did the other £500 come from? raggedtrouseredphilanthropist

9:40pm Wed 12 Sep 12

KeepUrDayJob says...

Nelson J
•I watched it and it made me cry by how truthful it were.

Chin Up it aint that bad :)

Stuart Farquar
•The entire estate is a no go area these days its been like that for many years now


If your not a resident of Shadsworth I can assure you that you can come and visit and walk where ever you want and you wont get harassed by anyone (Maybe the odd drug addict asking if you had a spare cigarette and / or 20p so he/she can use the phone box or like on the program a lad seeing someone new and selling them some fake drugs so he could make a quick £5 lol - Same as in every Town / City / Village)


Lynn_Blackburn
•So hang on I'm working 37.5 hours a week to EARN £1200 and Olwyn gets £1100 for sitting on her lazy posterior?! I'm expected to run a house from my wage yet, all her housing / decorating etc needs have already been met and DON'T even come out of the £1100?!

I get abuse telling me to go 'back to my own country' yet my taxes are paying for the lazy likes of Olwyn and the rest of the 16-30 year olds on that estate without a job! Unbelievable! Its a real shambles! Absolutely disgusting, it makes me sick!


Shadsworth is surrounded by industrial estate's - Factory Work!

Most residents but not all have alot of experience in Factory Work, Most foreigners coming to work / live in the UK are going for Factory Work jobs, This is resulting in hard to find work for English factory workers because most employers want employee's with experience! So for a Factory worker applying for jobs there aint no other options than Factory work or a cleaning job which the foreigners are targeting as well so some people will tell you to go back to your country!


chillax
•Ask yourself some questions.

1 - would you like to live there?

2 - would you open a shop there?

3 - would you park your car there overnight?


1. Live where? Next door to a family that does not care about people / life or respect anyone ect? Or do you mean Shadsworth? If you mean Shadsworth then yes I live here great community we all talk have a laugh not like the boring non sociable posh places!


2. Why not? As long as you can take some abuse sometimes off drunks ect (same in any town / city / village!)


3. Don't own a car :( but if you search car crime in Shadsworth I think you would be surprised!


Ryn525 says...
6:26pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Unfortunately the reputation of The Shad estate proceeds it. Having had friends and family living on it for over 30 years I can assure you it is that bad.

You have had family / friends live on the estate but you have not lived on the estae yourself so how can you comment that "it is really that bad" ?

Listen storys get told and there not all facts plus people like to add spice to these storys when there telling others so it sounds far worse than what it really was!

Reedley says...
7:07pm Wed 12 Sep 12

I thought the documentary was rather conservative, it's much worse if you were to go and have a look! Fortunately Blackburn is 65% Asian and these areas are standing up much better albeit they are painted in pick and yellow. I can't say the future for black burn is orange, far from it!”

Where exactly are you coming from to visit Blackburn? Buckingham Palace? Also where the hell have you been for the last 2 decades? Do you drive a car everywhere and don't actually see england as it is?

Also about the asian areas your clueless, where do you think these drugs in Shadsworth come from?
Nelson J •I watched it and it made me cry by how truthful it were. Chin Up it aint that bad :) Stuart Farquar •The entire estate is a no go area these days its been like that for many years now If your not a resident of Shadsworth I can assure you that you can come and visit and walk where ever you want and you wont get harassed by anyone (Maybe the odd drug addict asking if you had a spare cigarette and / or 20p so he/she can use the phone box or like on the program a lad seeing someone new and selling them some fake drugs so he could make a quick £5 lol - Same as in every Town / City / Village) Lynn_Blackburn •So hang on I'm working 37.5 hours a week to EARN £1200 and Olwyn gets £1100 for sitting on her lazy posterior?! I'm expected to run a house from my wage yet, all her housing / decorating etc needs have already been met and DON'T even come out of the £1100?! I get abuse telling me to go 'back to my own country' yet my taxes are paying for the lazy likes of Olwyn and the rest of the 16-30 year olds on that estate without a job! Unbelievable! Its a real shambles! Absolutely disgusting, it makes me sick! Shadsworth is surrounded by industrial estate's - Factory Work! Most residents but not all have alot of experience in Factory Work, Most foreigners coming to work / live in the UK are going for Factory Work jobs, This is resulting in hard to find work for English factory workers because most employers want employee's with experience! So for a Factory worker applying for jobs there aint no other options than Factory work or a cleaning job which the foreigners are targeting as well so some people will tell you to go back to your country! chillax •Ask yourself some questions. 1 - would you like to live there? 2 - would you open a shop there? 3 - would you park your car there overnight? 1. Live where? Next door to a family that does not care about people / life or respect anyone ect? Or do you mean Shadsworth? If you mean Shadsworth then yes I live here great community we all talk have a laugh not like the boring non sociable posh places! 2. Why not? As long as you can take some abuse sometimes off drunks ect (same in any town / city / village!) 3. Don't own a car :( but if you search car crime in Shadsworth I think you would be surprised! Ryn525 says... 6:26pm Wed 12 Sep 12 Unfortunately the reputation of The Shad estate proceeds it. Having had friends and family living on it for over 30 years I can assure you it is that bad. You have had family / friends live on the estate but you have not lived on the estae yourself so how can you comment that "it is really that bad" ? Listen storys get told and there not all facts plus people like to add spice to these storys when there telling others so it sounds far worse than what it really was! Reedley says... 7:07pm Wed 12 Sep 12 I thought the documentary was rather conservative, it's much worse if you were to go and have a look! Fortunately Blackburn is 65% Asian and these areas are standing up much better albeit they are painted in pick and yellow. I can't say the future for black burn is orange, far from it!” Where exactly are you coming from to visit Blackburn? Buckingham Palace? Also where the hell have you been for the last 2 decades? Do you drive a car everywhere and don't actually see england as it is? Also about the asian areas your clueless, where do you think these drugs in Shadsworth come from? KeepUrDayJob

10:10pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

Did anyone Spot Tyson the danger dog, my guess he was of his head on Bubble & did not get up until late afternoon.
Did anyone Spot Tyson the danger dog, my guess he was of his head on Bubble & did not get up until late afternoon. Michael@ClitheroeSince58

3:42am Thu 13 Sep 12

Ryn525 says...

KeepUrDayJob wrote:
Nelson J
•I watched it and it made me cry by how truthful it were.

Chin Up it aint that bad :)

Stuart Farquar
•The entire estate is a no go area these days its been like that for many years now


If your not a resident of Shadsworth I can assure you that you can come and visit and walk where ever you want and you wont get harassed by anyone (Maybe the odd drug addict asking if you had a spare cigarette and / or 20p so he/she can use the phone box or like on the program a lad seeing someone new and selling them some fake drugs so he could make a quick £5 lol - Same as in every Town / City / Village)


Lynn_Blackburn
•So hang on I'm working 37.5 hours a week to EARN £1200 and Olwyn gets £1100 for sitting on her lazy posterior?! I'm expected to run a house from my wage yet, all her housing / decorating etc needs have already been met and DON'T even come out of the £1100?!

I get abuse telling me to go 'back to my own country' yet my taxes are paying for the lazy likes of Olwyn and the rest of the 16-30 year olds on that estate without a job! Unbelievable! Its a real shambles! Absolutely disgusting, it makes me sick!


Shadsworth is surrounded by industrial estate's - Factory Work!

Most residents but not all have alot of experience in Factory Work, Most foreigners coming to work / live in the UK are going for Factory Work jobs, This is resulting in hard to find work for English factory workers because most employers want employee's with experience! So for a Factory worker applying for jobs there aint no other options than Factory work or a cleaning job which the foreigners are targeting as well so some people will tell you to go back to your country!


chillax
•Ask yourself some questions.

1 - would you like to live there?

2 - would you open a shop there?

3 - would you park your car there overnight?


1. Live where? Next door to a family that does not care about people / life or respect anyone ect? Or do you mean Shadsworth? If you mean Shadsworth then yes I live here great community we all talk have a laugh not like the boring non sociable posh places!


2. Why not? As long as you can take some abuse sometimes off drunks ect (same in any town / city / village!)


3. Don't own a car :( but if you search car crime in Shadsworth I think you would be surprised!


Ryn525 says...
6:26pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Unfortunately the reputation of The Shad estate proceeds it. Having had friends and family living on it for over 30 years I can assure you it is that bad.

You have had family / friends live on the estate but you have not lived on the estae yourself so how can you comment that "it is really that bad" ?

Listen storys get told and there not all facts plus people like to add spice to these storys when there telling others so it sounds far worse than what it really was!

Reedley says...
7:07pm Wed 12 Sep 12

I thought the documentary was rather conservative, it's much worse if you were to go and have a look! Fortunately Blackburn is 65% Asian and these areas are standing up much better albeit they are painted in pick and yellow. I can't say the future for black burn is orange, far from it!”

Where exactly are you coming from to visit Blackburn? Buckingham Palace? Also where the hell have you been for the last 2 decades? Do you drive a car everywhere and don't actually see england as it is?

Also about the asian areas your clueless, where do you think these drugs in Shadsworth come from?
I can comment as my cousins and aunts and uncles that lived and still live on that estate have told me how bad it is. I moved from Blackburn as a kid and when we used to go back and visit we'd be offered all sorts of crap for our pocket money, I even had my pocket money nicked off me and was threatened with violence if I told. I was 8. Nothing has changed since the 80s and it's only got worse. Shad has always had a bad name and until the lazy good for nothing's get their benefits revoked nothing will change. Why should I work 40 odd hour weeks and some benefit scrounging lazy dope smoking pot head get everything she wants for nothing. Depression and mental Illness and domestic violence doesn't mean you become a waster it becomes an excuse. Having been a victim of DV myself its my belief that it makes you stronger and want to fight and not be a victim anymore.
[quote][p][bold]KeepUrDayJob[/bold] wrote: Nelson J •I watched it and it made me cry by how truthful it were. Chin Up it aint that bad :) Stuart Farquar •The entire estate is a no go area these days its been like that for many years now If your not a resident of Shadsworth I can assure you that you can come and visit and walk where ever you want and you wont get harassed by anyone (Maybe the odd drug addict asking if you had a spare cigarette and / or 20p so he/she can use the phone box or like on the program a lad seeing someone new and selling them some fake drugs so he could make a quick £5 lol - Same as in every Town / City / Village) Lynn_Blackburn •So hang on I'm working 37.5 hours a week to EARN £1200 and Olwyn gets £1100 for sitting on her lazy posterior?! I'm expected to run a house from my wage yet, all her housing / decorating etc needs have already been met and DON'T even come out of the £1100?! I get abuse telling me to go 'back to my own country' yet my taxes are paying for the lazy likes of Olwyn and the rest of the 16-30 year olds on that estate without a job! Unbelievable! Its a real shambles! Absolutely disgusting, it makes me sick! Shadsworth is surrounded by industrial estate's - Factory Work! Most residents but not all have alot of experience in Factory Work, Most foreigners coming to work / live in the UK are going for Factory Work jobs, This is resulting in hard to find work for English factory workers because most employers want employee's with experience! So for a Factory worker applying for jobs there aint no other options than Factory work or a cleaning job which the foreigners are targeting as well so some people will tell you to go back to your country! chillax •Ask yourself some questions. 1 - would you like to live there? 2 - would you open a shop there? 3 - would you park your car there overnight? 1. Live where? Next door to a family that does not care about people / life or respect anyone ect? Or do you mean Shadsworth? If you mean Shadsworth then yes I live here great community we all talk have a laugh not like the boring non sociable posh places! 2. Why not? As long as you can take some abuse sometimes off drunks ect (same in any town / city / village!) 3. Don't own a car :( but if you search car crime in Shadsworth I think you would be surprised! Ryn525 says... 6:26pm Wed 12 Sep 12 Unfortunately the reputation of The Shad estate proceeds it. Having had friends and family living on it for over 30 years I can assure you it is that bad. You have had family / friends live on the estate but you have not lived on the estae yourself so how can you comment that "it is really that bad" ? Listen storys get told and there not all facts plus people like to add spice to these storys when there telling others so it sounds far worse than what it really was! Reedley says... 7:07pm Wed 12 Sep 12 I thought the documentary was rather conservative, it's much worse if you were to go and have a look! Fortunately Blackburn is 65% Asian and these areas are standing up much better albeit they are painted in pick and yellow. I can't say the future for black burn is orange, far from it!” Where exactly are you coming from to visit Blackburn? Buckingham Palace? Also where the hell have you been for the last 2 decades? Do you drive a car everywhere and don't actually see england as it is? Also about the asian areas your clueless, where do you think these drugs in Shadsworth come from?[/p][/quote]I can comment as my cousins and aunts and uncles that lived and still live on that estate have told me how bad it is. I moved from Blackburn as a kid and when we used to go back and visit we'd be offered all sorts of crap for our pocket money, I even had my pocket money nicked off me and was threatened with violence if I told. I was 8. Nothing has changed since the 80s and it's only got worse. Shad has always had a bad name and until the lazy good for nothing's get their benefits revoked nothing will change. Why should I work 40 odd hour weeks and some benefit scrounging lazy dope smoking pot head get everything she wants for nothing. Depression and mental Illness and domestic violence doesn't mean you become a waster it becomes an excuse. Having been a victim of DV myself its my belief that it makes you stronger and want to fight and not be a victim anymore. Ryn525

10:13am Thu 13 Sep 12

shellybelle says...

PANARAMA- I was born and bred on Shadsworth. To two hard working parents, who's work ethics were passed on to me and my siblings. I have worked since I was 16 apart from when I was on maternity. I trained in beauty therapy 10 years go after working in the retail industry since leaving school. Then in 2010 I graduated as a qualified tutor after studying for my certificate in education. I am currently studying for a degree in complementary medicine and will graduate next year.
I have 3 wonderful children who have morals and principles, and understand right from wrong. My 15yr old daughter is already showing strong work ethics and worked over summer. And has aspirations to do well in education and work. My stepson is a soldier who has lived with us on Shadsworth since he was 14, and he has not been held back, if anything he has grown into a wonderful person, as all my other children are. Not causing bother.
Shadsworth has a fantastic social inclusion programme which reaches out to all ages from Bingo, breakfast club, art club, creative club, fathers club, toddler group, majorettes &healthy living. Shadsworth residents have contributed enormously to society, there are nhs workers, county council workers,soldiers, teaching assistants, retail assistants, labourers and the list goes on.

Yes there is a handful of people on Shadsworth who spend their money/benefits on wine,cannabis and other drugs, which could be spent on carpets, wall paper, curtains,birthday and christmas presents, and clothes,etc etc however there are affluent estates such as Wilpshire, brockhall village, Langho where alcohol and drugs are a problem too. Living on Shadsworth or any other council does not give a person a predisposition to not having any high aspirations or problems with drugs and behaving inappropriate. It's about attitude and being positive. I would like to say a big thank you to all Shadsworth residents who have contributed and dedicated your lives to improving the lives of others through these difficult times, when government funding is being cut. Well Bloody done and keep up the hard work. Thank you from me and lots of other residents who appreciate their efforts, and stay positive don't let the negative people bring you down. Let's show everyone we are better than that. I've had positive feedback from clients who know people from Shadsworth who are disgusted at panoramas shock tv tactics. It's just a cheap trick to increase ratings and unfortunately it worked. Let's not give them the control to anger us. Let's move forward with are heads held high.
PANARAMA- I was born and bred on Shadsworth. To two hard working parents, who's work ethics were passed on to me and my siblings. I have worked since I was 16 apart from when I was on maternity. I trained in beauty therapy 10 years go after working in the retail industry since leaving school. Then in 2010 I graduated as a qualified tutor after studying for my certificate in education. I am currently studying for a degree in complementary medicine and will graduate next year. I have 3 wonderful children who have morals and principles, and understand right from wrong. My 15yr old daughter is already showing strong work ethics and worked over summer. And has aspirations to do well in education and work. My stepson is a soldier who has lived with us on Shadsworth since he was 14, and he has not been held back, if anything he has grown into a wonderful person, as all my other children are. Not causing bother. Shadsworth has a fantastic social inclusion programme which reaches out to all ages from Bingo, breakfast club, art club, creative club, fathers club, toddler group, majorettes &healthy living. Shadsworth residents have contributed enormously to society, there are nhs workers, county council workers,soldiers, teaching assistants, retail assistants, labourers and the list goes on. Yes there is a handful of people on Shadsworth who spend their money/benefits on wine,cannabis and other drugs, which could be spent on carpets, wall paper, curtains,birthday and christmas presents, and clothes,etc etc however there are affluent estates such as Wilpshire, brockhall village, Langho where alcohol and drugs are a problem too. Living on Shadsworth or any other council does not give a person a predisposition to not having any high aspirations or problems with drugs and behaving inappropriate. It's about attitude and being positive. I would like to say a big thank you to all Shadsworth residents who have contributed and dedicated your lives to improving the lives of others through these difficult times, when government funding is being cut. Well Bloody done and keep up the hard work. Thank you from me and lots of other residents who appreciate their efforts, and stay positive don't let the negative people bring you down. Let's show everyone we are better than that. I've had positive feedback from clients who know people from Shadsworth who are disgusted at panoramas shock tv tactics. It's just a cheap trick to increase ratings and unfortunately it worked. Let's not give them the control to anger us. Let's move forward with are heads held high. shellybelle

8:39pm Thu 13 Sep 12

crypt kicker says...

Saw the programme. Thought the best part was how little grasp on what goes on on the Shadsworth Estate by the Chief Superintendent of Blackburn police, Bob Eastwood. He hasn't got a clue what was going on. Well done Mr Eastwood!!!!!!!
Saw the programme. Thought the best part was how little grasp on what goes on on the Shadsworth Estate by the Chief Superintendent of Blackburn police, Bob Eastwood. He hasn't got a clue what was going on. Well done Mr Eastwood!!!!!!! crypt kicker

3:14am Fri 14 Sep 12

captain ian says...

panorama did give a true reflection of life in blackburn the show was about shadsworth, but it could have been about fishmoor, mill hill, wimberley, green lane or any other area of blackburn and the same issues would shown. Its about time some brave politician decieded to address the issues of drugs, unemployment, low pay but i can't see that happening, If panorama went back to shadsworth 10 years from now would it be better or worse ? saddley the answer is probably worse..
panorama did give a true reflection of life in blackburn the show was about shadsworth, but it could have been about fishmoor, mill hill, wimberley, green lane or any other area of blackburn and the same issues would shown. Its about time some brave politician decieded to address the issues of drugs, unemployment, low pay but i can't see that happening, If panorama went back to shadsworth 10 years from now would it be better or worse ? saddley the answer is probably worse.. captain ian

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