Campaigners win fight to reduce speed limits on Wilpshire roads

Campaigners win fight to reduce speed limits on Wilpshire roads

Campaigners win fight to reduce speed limits on Wilpshire roads

First published in News Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

THE speed limit on two Wilpshire ‘rat run’ roads is set to be lowered following a long running campaign.

In May, residents called on Lancashire County Council to lower the speed limit on Knowsley Road West and Beech Close after a number of concerns were raised over the past year.

The roads, which connect with the A666 and Ribchester Road, were not included in the county council’s 20mph limit residential scheme in 2011 but the parish council was later told they would be included in phase five.

However, that phase was halted pending a review of the performance of existing schemes, with the outcome still to be announced.

Earlier this year County Coun Alan Schofield again raised the possibility with the council for a speed reduction and called for a meeting with County Coun John Fillis, cabinet member for highways and transport. Now a scheme has been approved as part of a wider £10,000 project across the county.

The council's director of transport and environment Mike Kirby said he had ‘recognised the case for a scheme and it could be advanced subject to available funding’.

Coun Schofield said: “This shows that persistence can pay off over time when there is a good case on behalf of and supported by the local community.”

Wilpshire Parish Council has also welcomed the news.

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1:18pm Thu 21 Aug 14

RoverTheHill says...

Who is going to police it?

Similar attempt was made on Broadway in Helmshore, existing speed camera was left at 30 as you can't accurately measure below 30 and sets off for cyclists, therefore unreliable. Didn't stop people driving at 30.

Most drivers simply maintained driving at 30, or even exceeded this when overtaking people doing 20. They've since reverted back to a 30 zone but 20 during certain periods. Like it helps.

All well and good setting it at 20, but if you can't enforce it and people disagree with the principle it's completely pointless.

The residents may want it, but its not going to be residents causing "concerns" is it?
Who is going to police it? Similar attempt was made on Broadway in Helmshore, existing speed camera was left at 30 as you can't accurately measure below 30 and sets off for cyclists, therefore unreliable. Didn't stop people driving at 30. Most drivers simply maintained driving at 30, or even exceeded this when overtaking people doing 20. They've since reverted back to a 30 zone but 20 during certain periods. Like it helps. All well and good setting it at 20, but if you can't enforce it and people disagree with the principle it's completely pointless. The residents may want it, but its not going to be residents causing "concerns" is it? RoverTheHill
  • Score: -1

1:39pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Stone Island: says...

I thought Knowsley Road was access only?
I thought Knowsley Road was access only? Stone Island:
  • Score: 1

4:59pm Thu 21 Aug 14

greenscreener says...

Stone Island: wrote:
I thought Knowsley Road was access only?
It is, people who ignore one sign are unlikely to take much notice of another.

Somerset Avenue is very quiet though, perhaps the residents of Beech close and Knowsley Rd should campaign for barriers, problem solved.
[quote][p][bold]Stone Island:[/bold] wrote: I thought Knowsley Road was access only?[/p][/quote]It is, people who ignore one sign are unlikely to take much notice of another. Somerset Avenue is very quiet though, perhaps the residents of Beech close and Knowsley Rd should campaign for barriers, problem solved. greenscreener
  • Score: 2

6:38pm Thu 21 Aug 14

DoggydogNo1 says...

waste of time and money as it will be ignored by the idiots!
waste of time and money as it will be ignored by the idiots! DoggydogNo1
  • Score: 1

7:02pm Thu 21 Aug 14

woolywords says...

RoverTheHill wrote:
Who is going to police it?

Similar attempt was made on Broadway in Helmshore, existing speed camera was left at 30 as you can't accurately measure below 30 and sets off for cyclists, therefore unreliable. Didn't stop people driving at 30.

Most drivers simply maintained driving at 30, or even exceeded this when overtaking people doing 20. They've since reverted back to a 30 zone but 20 during certain periods. Like it helps.

All well and good setting it at 20, but if you can't enforce it and people disagree with the principle it's completely pointless.

The residents may want it, but its not going to be residents causing "concerns" is it?
And here's me thinking that people that lived in that area are smarter than the rest of us..
...
Do the Math..
An object travelling at a speed of 20 mph covers nearly 30 feet per second. So you paint two lines, 30 feet apart.
Then you set a good quality camera, to watch two lines painted on the road or kerbside, that records the Reg Nos of passing vehicles.
Just make sure that you set the camera to record at 60 frames and not 50 frames per second, to give a more accurate measurement of speed.
It's not rocket science, honestly..
...
And if you want to know how to build a speed trap, where a pair of time delay PIR detectors set to monitor traffic speed, I suggest that you talk to someone with burglar alarm experience. When these are linked to a double flash strobe light, your area will become a 'red light district' of brake lights!
That is a bit more rocket scientist though..
I wish you, good luck!
[quote][p][bold]RoverTheHill[/bold] wrote: Who is going to police it? Similar attempt was made on Broadway in Helmshore, existing speed camera was left at 30 as you can't accurately measure below 30 and sets off for cyclists, therefore unreliable. Didn't stop people driving at 30. Most drivers simply maintained driving at 30, or even exceeded this when overtaking people doing 20. They've since reverted back to a 30 zone but 20 during certain periods. Like it helps. All well and good setting it at 20, but if you can't enforce it and people disagree with the principle it's completely pointless. The residents may want it, but its not going to be residents causing "concerns" is it?[/p][/quote]And here's me thinking that people that lived in that area are smarter than the rest of us.. ... Do the Math.. An object travelling at a speed of 20 mph covers nearly 30 feet per second. So you paint two lines, 30 feet apart. Then you set a good quality camera, to watch two lines painted on the road or kerbside, that records the Reg Nos of passing vehicles. Just make sure that you set the camera to record at 60 frames and not 50 frames per second, to give a more accurate measurement of speed. It's not rocket science, honestly.. ... And if you want to know how to build a speed trap, where a pair of time delay PIR detectors set to monitor traffic speed, I suggest that you talk to someone with burglar alarm experience. When these are linked to a double flash strobe light, your area will become a 'red light district' of brake lights! That is a bit more rocket scientist though.. I wish you, good luck! woolywords
  • Score: -2

7:28pm Thu 21 Aug 14

greenscreener says...

woolywords wrote:
RoverTheHill wrote:
Who is going to police it?

Similar attempt was made on Broadway in Helmshore, existing speed camera was left at 30 as you can't accurately measure below 30 and sets off for cyclists, therefore unreliable. Didn't stop people driving at 30.

Most drivers simply maintained driving at 30, or even exceeded this when overtaking people doing 20. They've since reverted back to a 30 zone but 20 during certain periods. Like it helps.

All well and good setting it at 20, but if you can't enforce it and people disagree with the principle it's completely pointless.

The residents may want it, but its not going to be residents causing "concerns" is it?
And here's me thinking that people that lived in that area are smarter than the rest of us..
...
Do the Math..
An object travelling at a speed of 20 mph covers nearly 30 feet per second. So you paint two lines, 30 feet apart.
Then you set a good quality camera, to watch two lines painted on the road or kerbside, that records the Reg Nos of passing vehicles.
Just make sure that you set the camera to record at 60 frames and not 50 frames per second, to give a more accurate measurement of speed.
It's not rocket science, honestly..
...
And if you want to know how to build a speed trap, where a pair of time delay PIR detectors set to monitor traffic speed, I suggest that you talk to someone with burglar alarm experience. When these are linked to a double flash strobe light, your area will become a 'red light district' of brake lights!
That is a bit more rocket scientist though..
I wish you, good luck!
But maybe they are smart enough to know its illegal to paint your own lines on the road.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RoverTheHill[/bold] wrote: Who is going to police it? Similar attempt was made on Broadway in Helmshore, existing speed camera was left at 30 as you can't accurately measure below 30 and sets off for cyclists, therefore unreliable. Didn't stop people driving at 30. Most drivers simply maintained driving at 30, or even exceeded this when overtaking people doing 20. They've since reverted back to a 30 zone but 20 during certain periods. Like it helps. All well and good setting it at 20, but if you can't enforce it and people disagree with the principle it's completely pointless. The residents may want it, but its not going to be residents causing "concerns" is it?[/p][/quote]And here's me thinking that people that lived in that area are smarter than the rest of us.. ... Do the Math.. An object travelling at a speed of 20 mph covers nearly 30 feet per second. So you paint two lines, 30 feet apart. Then you set a good quality camera, to watch two lines painted on the road or kerbside, that records the Reg Nos of passing vehicles. Just make sure that you set the camera to record at 60 frames and not 50 frames per second, to give a more accurate measurement of speed. It's not rocket science, honestly.. ... And if you want to know how to build a speed trap, where a pair of time delay PIR detectors set to monitor traffic speed, I suggest that you talk to someone with burglar alarm experience. When these are linked to a double flash strobe light, your area will become a 'red light district' of brake lights! That is a bit more rocket scientist though.. I wish you, good luck![/p][/quote]But maybe they are smart enough to know its illegal to paint your own lines on the road. greenscreener
  • Score: 7

8:13pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Copperhead says...

NIMBYs !!!!
Bet they speed/use rat runs ( car-hater speak for short cut ) elsewhere and moan if these routes are closed/restricted.
Let's face it - public transport is sh*te and expensive and inconvenient and full of numbtys who smell of last-night's ale; New Islamabad Council - sorry! - I mean Blackburn with Darwen Council - has a transport policy run and formulated by car-hating, cycling-and-walking fascists and the motorist is seen by all in government ( local and national ) as a cash-cow.
They don't give us really good public transport so we have to use cars - and this means lots of tax money for gobblns like Jack Straw to give to immigrants or spend on public sector wages and pensions.
NIMBYs !!!! Bet they speed/use rat runs ( car-hater speak for short cut ) elsewhere and moan if these routes are closed/restricted. Let's face it - public transport is sh*te and expensive and inconvenient and full of numbtys who smell of last-night's ale; New Islamabad Council - sorry! - I mean Blackburn with Darwen Council - has a transport policy run and formulated by car-hating, cycling-and-walking fascists and the motorist is seen by all in government ( local and national ) as a cash-cow. They don't give us really good public transport so we have to use cars - and this means lots of tax money for gobblns like Jack Straw to give to immigrants or spend on public sector wages and pensions. Copperhead
  • Score: -1
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