Blackburn thief ‘had been better off living in a tent’

Picture for illustrative purposes only

Picture for illustrative purposes only

First published in News

A MAN who spent three months living in a tent in Clitheroe thought his problems were over when he found hostel accommodation in Blackburn.

But Blackburn magistrates heard that instead of improving Joseph Fox’s situation, the move left him worse off.

Gareth Price, defending, said the hostel management took control of his client’s finances and out of benefits of £112 he was left with just £12 a fortnight.

Fox, 47, of Shear Brow, Blackburn, pleaded guilty to stealing meat worth £59 from Morrisons and spirits worth £90 from Tesco.

He was jailed for four weeks for the offences and a further four weeks for being in breach of a suspended prison sentence imposed for similar offences.

Mr Price said Fox was proud of the fact he had overcome a heroin addiction through his own efforts.

“He is trying to get his life back on track but things have not been easy,” said Mr Price. He said the defendant’s father lives in Glasgow and had terminal cancer.

“He is trying to get the money together so he can get the train back to Glasgow to be with his father,” said Mr Price.

“He went to his mother’s funeral in handcuffs and he doesn’t want to repeat that with his father.”

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6:17pm Wed 11 Jun 14

supertrooper says...

Not good reporting- a pic of a tent shamelessly nicked from Go Outdoors website instead of a much more relevant pic of the THIEF.
Not good reporting- a pic of a tent shamelessly nicked from Go Outdoors website instead of a much more relevant pic of the THIEF. supertrooper
  • Score: 11

6:20pm Wed 11 Jun 14

onsidecobra says...

Joseph could have taken the bus, it's cheaper, but alas there is no bar on a bus.
Joseph could have taken the bus, it's cheaper, but alas there is no bar on a bus. onsidecobra
  • Score: -6

6:47pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Copperhead says...

Was he charged with loitering with intent ?
Was he charged with loitering with intent ? Copperhead
  • Score: 20

6:58pm Wed 11 Jun 14

useyourhead says...

why do hostel management take control of their money?
why do hostel management take control of their money? useyourhead
  • Score: 12

7:03pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Wishingwell says...

Copperhead wrote:
Was he charged with loitering with intent ?
You folks are not being fair. This kid just needs to be shown the way forwards. It is an illusion to think anybody gives a care for anybody else, and a lot of kids need to learn this simply because they have been brainwashed by the socialist press and state education in to thinking the state will save them- however the only thing the state would guarantee is a politician"s pension.
[quote][p][bold]Copperhead[/bold] wrote: Was he charged with loitering with intent ?[/p][/quote]You folks are not being fair. This kid just needs to be shown the way forwards. It is an illusion to think anybody gives a care for anybody else, and a lot of kids need to learn this simply because they have been brainwashed by the socialist press and state education in to thinking the state will save them- however the only thing the state would guarantee is a politician"s pension. Wishingwell
  • Score: 9

7:04pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Chris P Bacon says...

Copperhead wrote:
Was he charged with loitering with intent ?
B'dum TISH!
[quote][p][bold]Copperhead[/bold] wrote: Was he charged with loitering with intent ?[/p][/quote]B'dum TISH! Chris P Bacon
  • Score: 4

7:06pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Copperhead says...

Wishingwell wrote:
Copperhead wrote:
Was he charged with loitering with intent ?
You folks are not being fair. This kid just needs to be shown the way forwards. It is an illusion to think anybody gives a care for anybody else, and a lot of kids need to learn this simply because they have been brainwashed by the socialist press and state education in to thinking the state will save them- however the only thing the state would guarantee is a politician"s pension.
Loitering WITHIN TENT.
Sense of humour failure alert !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Wishingwell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copperhead[/bold] wrote: Was he charged with loitering with intent ?[/p][/quote]You folks are not being fair. This kid just needs to be shown the way forwards. It is an illusion to think anybody gives a care for anybody else, and a lot of kids need to learn this simply because they have been brainwashed by the socialist press and state education in to thinking the state will save them- however the only thing the state would guarantee is a politician"s pension.[/p][/quote]Loitering WITHIN TENT. Sense of humour failure alert !!!! Copperhead
  • Score: 4

7:22pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Bluelizzy says...

Ok... he is on his uppers ! Fair enough. Stole food to survive ! needs to get to Glasgow. Got my sympathy.

Nicked £90 booze. Nah ! waster !
Ok... he is on his uppers ! Fair enough. Stole food to survive ! needs to get to Glasgow. Got my sympathy. Nicked £90 booze. Nah ! waster ! Bluelizzy
  • Score: 8

7:26pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Wishingwell says...

Copperhead wrote:
Wishingwell wrote:
Copperhead wrote:
Was he charged with loitering with intent ?
You folks are not being fair. This kid just needs to be shown the way forwards. It is an illusion to think anybody gives a care for anybody else, and a lot of kids need to learn this simply because they have been brainwashed by the socialist press and state education in to thinking the state will save them- however the only thing the state would guarantee is a politician"s pension.
Loitering WITHIN TENT.
Sense of humour failure alert !!!!
Sense of failure alert - maybe, but a sense of reality - no
[quote][p][bold]Copperhead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wishingwell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copperhead[/bold] wrote: Was he charged with loitering with intent ?[/p][/quote]You folks are not being fair. This kid just needs to be shown the way forwards. It is an illusion to think anybody gives a care for anybody else, and a lot of kids need to learn this simply because they have been brainwashed by the socialist press and state education in to thinking the state will save them- however the only thing the state would guarantee is a politician"s pension.[/p][/quote]Loitering WITHIN TENT. Sense of humour failure alert !!!![/p][/quote]Sense of failure alert - maybe, but a sense of reality - no Wishingwell
  • Score: 9

7:56pm Wed 11 Jun 14

mataix121 says...

useyourhead wrote:
why do hostel management take control of their money?
The bigger question is....why do Blackburn have over 500 multi occupancy beds (hostels, shared housing). Answer - there is money to be made in others vulnerability and even more money of the hostels then take control is others finances. Which is breaking the law by the way, unless they have been diagnosed with no mental capacity.
[quote][p][bold]useyourhead[/bold] wrote: why do hostel management take control of their money?[/p][/quote]The bigger question is....why do Blackburn have over 500 multi occupancy beds (hostels, shared housing). Answer - there is money to be made in others vulnerability and even more money of the hostels then take control is others finances. Which is breaking the law by the way, unless they have been diagnosed with no mental capacity. mataix121
  • Score: 27

9:25pm Wed 11 Jun 14

ossym says...

Bluelizzy wrote:
Ok... he is on his uppers ! Fair enough. Stole food to survive ! needs to get to Glasgow. Got my sympathy.

Nicked £90 booze. Nah ! waster !
Not necisarily-maybe this stuff was most easily traded/fenced goods.
[quote][p][bold]Bluelizzy[/bold] wrote: Ok... he is on his uppers ! Fair enough. Stole food to survive ! needs to get to Glasgow. Got my sympathy. Nicked £90 booze. Nah ! waster ![/p][/quote]Not necisarily-maybe this stuff was most easily traded/fenced goods. ossym
  • Score: 7

9:33pm Wed 11 Jun 14

haveinalaugh says...

Matrix,

Income for each bed is worth approx £230 per week, for that you will have a breakfast and evening meal
Matrix, Income for each bed is worth approx £230 per week, for that you will have a breakfast and evening meal haveinalaugh
  • Score: 6

1:55am Thu 12 Jun 14

b18ftmojo5 says...

haveinalaugh wrote:
Matrix,

Income for each bed is worth approx £230 per week, for that you will have a breakfast and evening meal
nice earner for the owners of such establishments id say. maybe they should more than just feed the people and actually help them get back on their feet and into gainful employment. Although i doubt they would kill their golden gooses.
[quote][p][bold]haveinalaugh[/bold] wrote: Matrix, Income for each bed is worth approx £230 per week, for that you will have a breakfast and evening meal[/p][/quote]nice earner for the owners of such establishments id say. maybe they should more than just feed the people and actually help them get back on their feet and into gainful employment. Although i doubt they would kill their golden gooses. b18ftmojo5
  • Score: 14

5:55am Thu 12 Jun 14

site supervisor says...

at lest hes got some where now .....one of the best BB.....
at lest hes got some where now .....one of the best BB..... site supervisor
  • Score: 4

10:23am Thu 12 Jun 14

GracesDad says...

Wishingwell wrote:
Copperhead wrote:
Was he charged with loitering with intent ?
You folks are not being fair. This kid just needs to be shown the way forwards. It is an illusion to think anybody gives a care for anybody else, and a lot of kids need to learn this simply because they have been brainwashed by the socialist press and state education in to thinking the state will save them- however the only thing the state would guarantee is a politician"s pension.
The guy is 47! Hardly a media-brainwashed kid is he?
[quote][p][bold]Wishingwell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copperhead[/bold] wrote: Was he charged with loitering with intent ?[/p][/quote]You folks are not being fair. This kid just needs to be shown the way forwards. It is an illusion to think anybody gives a care for anybody else, and a lot of kids need to learn this simply because they have been brainwashed by the socialist press and state education in to thinking the state will save them- however the only thing the state would guarantee is a politician"s pension.[/p][/quote]The guy is 47! Hardly a media-brainwashed kid is he? GracesDad
  • Score: 5

11:19am Thu 12 Jun 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

So out of £112 a week the hostel took £100 off him, meaning he had ALL bills paid and a roof over his head for £400 a month. I can't even run my tiny flat for double this so I don't see the issue.

That's without going in to the whole issue about his money being given free from the government in the first place!
So out of £112 a week the hostel took £100 off him, meaning he had ALL bills paid and a roof over his head for £400 a month. I can't even run my tiny flat for double this so I don't see the issue. That's without going in to the whole issue about his money being given free from the government in the first place! HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: 6

11:49am Thu 12 Jun 14

richard says...

£12 a fortnight. £6 a week disposable income. Less than a pound a day. The guy couldn't even treat himself to something from Poundland for that. I'm not condoning the theft but if you can picture yourself in that situation I can understand why it happens.
£12 a fortnight. £6 a week disposable income. Less than a pound a day. The guy couldn't even treat himself to something from Poundland for that. I'm not condoning the theft but if you can picture yourself in that situation I can understand why it happens. richard
  • Score: 5

12:02pm Thu 12 Jun 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

richard wrote:
£12 a fortnight. £6 a week disposable income. Less than a pound a day. The guy couldn't even treat himself to something from Poundland for that. I'm not condoning the theft but if you can picture yourself in that situation I can understand why it happens.
NO, he is getting free money, bills paid at our expense...why should he 'treat' himself to anything, poundland or not!

I treat myself to many nice things, I do this by not committing crimes and by working.
[quote][p][bold]richard[/bold] wrote: £12 a fortnight. £6 a week disposable income. Less than a pound a day. The guy couldn't even treat himself to something from Poundland for that. I'm not condoning the theft but if you can picture yourself in that situation I can understand why it happens.[/p][/quote]NO, he is getting free money, bills paid at our expense...why should he 'treat' himself to anything, poundland or not! I treat myself to many nice things, I do this by not committing crimes and by working. HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: 4

12:06pm Thu 12 Jun 14

richard says...

I was being sarcastic... "treat yourself to something from Poundland". I don't think you appreciate the cycle of homelessness and the resulting virtual impossibility of getting a job.
I was being sarcastic... "treat yourself to something from Poundland". I don't think you appreciate the cycle of homelessness and the resulting virtual impossibility of getting a job. richard
  • Score: 5

12:28pm Thu 12 Jun 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

The trick would have been keep away from Heroin and become a junkie and end up homeless in the first place. It's not as though being homeless wasn't his doing.

Yeah ok I will admit he is in a bit of a rubbish situation now, but to complain that somebody is taking some of his free money to put a roof over his head is just comical!
The trick would have been keep away from Heroin and become a junkie and end up homeless in the first place. It's not as though being homeless wasn't his doing. Yeah ok I will admit he is in a bit of a rubbish situation now, but to complain that somebody is taking some of his free money to put a roof over his head is just comical! HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: 4

3:23pm Thu 12 Jun 14

richard says...

I suspect this has been phrased badly and it is more like a system where an amount of his benefits automatically go to the hostel, much like housing benefit, and he gets the remainder. In this case - £6 a week. That's what I was getting at. A lot of people simply will turn to crime out of desperation when you have £6 in your pocket until next Monday. I would.
I suspect this has been phrased badly and it is more like a system where an amount of his benefits automatically go to the hostel, much like housing benefit, and he gets the remainder. In this case - £6 a week. That's what I was getting at. A lot of people simply will turn to crime out of desperation when you have £6 in your pocket until next Monday. I would. richard
  • Score: 1

5:57pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Blueandwhitewolf says...

It's a bit ignorant to comment when you know nothing of the chaps individual circumstances. The story doesn't inform you why he turned to heroine and crime, he could have been brought up in a household of drugs and crime and wasn't in a position to alter his own circumstances.
It's a bit ignorant to comment when you know nothing of the chaps individual circumstances. The story doesn't inform you why he turned to heroine and crime, he could have been brought up in a household of drugs and crime and wasn't in a position to alter his own circumstances. Blueandwhitewolf
  • Score: 1

10:32pm Thu 12 Jun 14

mataix121 says...

HelmshoreMan2010 wrote:
The trick would have been keep away from Heroin and become a junkie and end up homeless in the first place. It's not as though being homeless wasn't his doing.

Yeah ok I will admit he is in a bit of a rubbish situation now, but to complain that somebody is taking some of his free money to put a roof over his head is just comical!
Helmshoreman, it's great you have an opinion on this as everyone is entitled. However, you are obviously very naive to think that people choose to take heroin and become junkies. Also, your from helmshore so what has a Blackburn matter got to do with you? I would suggest you stick to valley matters and tend to your sheep for a while ha
[quote][p][bold]HelmshoreMan2010[/bold] wrote: The trick would have been keep away from Heroin and become a junkie and end up homeless in the first place. It's not as though being homeless wasn't his doing. Yeah ok I will admit he is in a bit of a rubbish situation now, but to complain that somebody is taking some of his free money to put a roof over his head is just comical![/p][/quote]Helmshoreman, it's great you have an opinion on this as everyone is entitled. However, you are obviously very naive to think that people choose to take heroin and become junkies. Also, your from helmshore so what has a Blackburn matter got to do with you? I would suggest you stick to valley matters and tend to your sheep for a while ha mataix121
  • Score: -1

11:05pm Thu 12 Jun 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

mataix121 wrote:
HelmshoreMan2010 wrote:
The trick would have been keep away from Heroin and become a junkie and end up homeless in the first place. It's not as though being homeless wasn't his doing.

Yeah ok I will admit he is in a bit of a rubbish situation now, but to complain that somebody is taking some of his free money to put a roof over his head is just comical!
Helmshoreman, it's great you have an opinion on this as everyone is entitled. However, you are obviously very naive to think that people choose to take heroin and become junkies. Also, your from helmshore so what has a Blackburn matter got to do with you? I would suggest you stick to valley matters and tend to your sheep for a while ha
Correct me if I'm wrong but valley or not it's my tax money that goes to paying for this man, meaning I get a say :)

And correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not a junkie, this being my choice same as everybody else.

If it was up to me I would take this guys last £12, he needs nothing more than food, a roof and access to the job centre, anything else is too much!
[quote][p][bold]mataix121[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HelmshoreMan2010[/bold] wrote: The trick would have been keep away from Heroin and become a junkie and end up homeless in the first place. It's not as though being homeless wasn't his doing. Yeah ok I will admit he is in a bit of a rubbish situation now, but to complain that somebody is taking some of his free money to put a roof over his head is just comical![/p][/quote]Helmshoreman, it's great you have an opinion on this as everyone is entitled. However, you are obviously very naive to think that people choose to take heroin and become junkies. Also, your from helmshore so what has a Blackburn matter got to do with you? I would suggest you stick to valley matters and tend to your sheep for a while ha[/p][/quote]Correct me if I'm wrong but valley or not it's my tax money that goes to paying for this man, meaning I get a say :) And correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not a junkie, this being my choice same as everybody else. If it was up to me I would take this guys last £12, he needs nothing more than food, a roof and access to the job centre, anything else is too much! HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: 2

11:47pm Thu 12 Jun 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

Also going off your own theory you have commented on stories in York and Blackburn at the same time in the past :)
Also going off your own theory you have commented on stories in York and Blackburn at the same time in the past :) HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: 0

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