Hyndburn councillor's fears over ‘monstrosities’ in green belt

Lancashire Telegraph: MESS The turbines MESS The turbines

A PLAN to erect a wind turbine behind homes has led to claims an area could turn into a ‘windmill city’.

Installation of the 65ft tall monopole mast behind homes in Colliers Row, Oswaldtwistle, has seen a councillor speak out over the proposals.

Ward councillor Peter Britcliffe said he feared the application would give the green light for similar bids, which would see wind turbines populating the green belt area of land.

Campaigners against the bid also submitted a 60-signature petition, and 47 objection letters, to Hyndburn Council.

The proposed turbine, with three 5metre length blades, would be sited between 300 and 400 metres away from homes, and would require the digging of a trench to connect the turbine to the National Grid.

Coun Britcliffe said: “These turbines are monstrosities and are detrimental to the area. If this application is passed, it will give the green light for further such developments throughout the borough, destroying our beautiful countryside and, before we know where we are, we will be turned into windmill city. I urge members of the planning committee to reject this application.”

Planning officers recommended the bid be approved at a planning meeting yesterday, as the application was aimed at helping the National Grid meet the government’s renewable energy targets.

However, councillors voted to defer the application, by Yorkshire-based EWH1 until further ecology tests were undertaken, and for a report on the potential effect on television signals.

Planning committee chairman Bernard Dawson said: “There were just a few points members felt needed clarifying. We have also decided to go along on a site visit.”

A turbine in this windswept location is estimated as capable of generating approximately 30,000 kWh of renewable electricity a year, providing power to approximately seven large fam ily homes. A report to the council said: “It is considered that there are special circumstances to outweigh allowing the proposed development in the green belt. In addition, it is not considered that the proposal would significantly conflict with the purposes of including land in the green belt.”

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4:31pm Thu 24 Jan 13

maxcollie says...

Enough is enough. Who passed the planning permission for them on Ossy Moor?We have had enough problems with them.
Enough is enough. Who passed the planning permission for them on Ossy Moor?We have had enough problems with them. maxcollie

5:02pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Elegant1 says...

Planning Officers are employees and can make all the recomenations they like. No doubt the officers will be lauded by those Conservative over-lords at Westminster for their reccomendations.

Britain will be surrounded by windfarme if these plans are brought to fruition. Windfarms are planned for oceanic locations and will blight the once peaceful and pictureque beach and country landscapes of Britain.

Anyone that has travelled from West Cornwall via the A30 towards Devon will see the devastation being caused to our heritage, which is the countryside of Great Britain. The scenary is blighted by Wind-farm after Wind-farm after Wind-farm. This attack should and must be aborted before it is too late!

Peter Britcliffe is in my opinion guilty of nimbyism in his protestations. Wasn't it the Tories that sold off most of the utilities into foreign ownership during the reign of Maggie Thatcher!


If this monsterous planning debacle is aloowed
Planning Officers are employees and can make all the recomenations they like. No doubt the officers will be lauded by those Conservative over-lords at Westminster for their reccomendations. Britain will be surrounded by windfarme if these plans are brought to fruition. Windfarms are planned for oceanic locations and will blight the once peaceful and pictureque beach and country landscapes of Britain. Anyone that has travelled from West Cornwall via the A30 towards Devon will see the devastation being caused to our heritage, which is the countryside of Great Britain. The scenary is blighted by Wind-farm after Wind-farm after Wind-farm. This attack should and must be aborted before it is too late! Peter Britcliffe is in my opinion guilty of nimbyism in his protestations. Wasn't it the Tories that sold off most of the utilities into foreign ownership during the reign of Maggie Thatcher! If this monsterous planning debacle is aloowed Elegant1

5:09pm Thu 24 Jan 13

doggydog says...

they are damned if they build them and they are damned if they dont. Get over it, how many people actualy walk over the moors?they should paint them green! No one complains when the tele tubbies have them!
they are damned if they build them and they are damned if they dont. Get over it, how many people actualy walk over the moors?they should paint them green! No one complains when the tele tubbies have them! doggydog

5:29pm Thu 24 Jan 13

LancsLass says...

Doesnt matter if you walk over the moors or not it is when you pay for a tv license and the darn things cause interuptions to your viewing channels that they are annoying why pay a tv license if I cant view bbc 1 or bbc 2 along with many other channels all down to the stupid mind turbines?
And the person/company responsable for putting them there offers you £100 towards freesat instalation when one box alone costs £160 and two televisions have been affected in our house leaving us to find £220 to get them both back to working as they were before the instalation of the turbines!!
Doesnt matter if you walk over the moors or not it is when you pay for a tv license and the darn things cause interuptions to your viewing channels that they are annoying why pay a tv license if I cant view bbc 1 or bbc 2 along with many other channels all down to the stupid mind turbines? And the person/company responsable for putting them there offers you £100 towards freesat instalation when one box alone costs £160 and two televisions have been affected in our house leaving us to find £220 to get them both back to working as they were before the instalation of the turbines!! LancsLass

5:35pm Thu 24 Jan 13

mavrick says...

Just think of it as your contribution to the great green con.
Just think of it as your contribution to the great green con. mavrick

6:46pm Thu 24 Jan 13

doggydog says...

LancsLass wrote:
Doesnt matter if you walk over the moors or not it is when you pay for a tv license and the darn things cause interuptions to your viewing channels that they are annoying why pay a tv license if I cant view bbc 1 or bbc 2 along with many other channels all down to the stupid mind turbines?
And the person/company responsable for putting them there offers you £100 towards freesat instalation when one box alone costs £160 and two televisions have been affected in our house leaving us to find £220 to get them both back to working as they were before the instalation of the turbines!!
you guys never heard of sky up in the moors? You would moan if they did not do this and ya had no power for your tv to work. Ya have 2 tv,s? Hmmmmm, should be 2 lots of tv license then
[quote][p][bold]LancsLass[/bold] wrote: Doesnt matter if you walk over the moors or not it is when you pay for a tv license and the darn things cause interuptions to your viewing channels that they are annoying why pay a tv license if I cant view bbc 1 or bbc 2 along with many other channels all down to the stupid mind turbines? And the person/company responsable for putting them there offers you £100 towards freesat instalation when one box alone costs £160 and two televisions have been affected in our house leaving us to find £220 to get them both back to working as they were before the instalation of the turbines!![/p][/quote]you guys never heard of sky up in the moors? You would moan if they did not do this and ya had no power for your tv to work. Ya have 2 tv,s? Hmmmmm, should be 2 lots of tv license then doggydog

7:29pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Legal Beagle says...

These ludicrous monuments to stupidity will serve to remind us for many years just how absurd our attitude to energy conservation really is.

The only sensible solution is to reduce power consumption, not carry on wasting it and building these hideous monstrosities to try and meet demand.

But no, it's still considered quite OK to run a 5 litre gas guzzler and to leave the heating on all day in an empty 5 bedroom house.

And in the meantime, China, India, Brazil and the rest of them are laughing their socks off at us wringing our hands guiltily as they open new coal fired power stations every week.

Sadly, people won't stop being so wasteful unless energy prices really go through the roof. But of course the Great British Public moans so much if energy prices increase that no politician dare sanction it - the curse of democracy is rule by the selfish and ignorant majority.

It's also notable that they put these vile structures up where there are only poor people to complain - you won't see many round Chipping Norton.
These ludicrous monuments to stupidity will serve to remind us for many years just how absurd our attitude to energy conservation really is. The only sensible solution is to reduce power consumption, not carry on wasting it and building these hideous monstrosities to try and meet demand. But no, it's still considered quite OK to run a 5 litre gas guzzler and to leave the heating on all day in an empty 5 bedroom house. And in the meantime, China, India, Brazil and the rest of them are laughing their socks off at us wringing our hands guiltily as they open new coal fired power stations every week. Sadly, people won't stop being so wasteful unless energy prices really go through the roof. But of course the Great British Public moans so much if energy prices increase that no politician dare sanction it - the curse of democracy is rule by the selfish and ignorant majority. It's also notable that they put these vile structures up where there are only poor people to complain - you won't see many round Chipping Norton. Legal Beagle

9:11pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Info-warrior says...

Forty percent of all the wind energy in Europe blows over the UK, making it an ideal country for wind turbines. The Northwest region undoubtedly gets the lions share too, with Lancashire, Cumbria, Cheshire and Manchester benefiting the most from wind turbine solutions.Yearly Incident incidents occur with nuclear power going back to 1952. This does not include military nuclear usage
2011 Fukushima 5 Japan Reactor shutdown after the 2011 Sendai earthquake and tsunami; failure of emergency cooling caused an explosion
2011 Onagawa Japan Reactor shutdown after the 2011 Sendai earthquake and tsunami caused a fire
2006 Fleurus 4 Belgium Severe health effects for a worker at a commercial irradiation facility as a result of high doses of radiation
2006 Forsmark 2 Sweden Degraded safety functions for common cause failure in the emergency power supply system at nuclear power plant
2006 Erwin US Thirty-five litres of a highly enriched uranium solution leaked during transfer
2005 Sellafield 3 UK Release of large quantity of radioactive material, contained within the installation
2005 Atucha 2 Argentina Overexposure of a worker at a power reactor exceeding the annual limit
2005 Braidwood US Nuclear material leak
2003 Paks 3 Hungary Partially spent fuel rods undergoing cleaning in a tank of heavy water ruptured and spilled fuel pellets
1999 Tokaimura 4 Japan Fatal overexposures of workers following a criticality event at a nuclear facility
1999 Yanangio 3 Peru Incident with radiography source resulting in severe radiation burns
1999 Ikitelli 3 Turkey Loss of a highly radioactive Co-60 source
1999 Ishikawa 2 Japan Control rod malfunction
1993 Tomsk 4 Russia Pressure buildup led to an explosive mechanical failure
1993 Cadarache 2 France Spread of contamination to an area not expected by design
1989 Vandellos 3 Spain Near accident caused by fire resulting in loss of safety systems at the nuclear power station
1989 Greifswald Germany Excessive heating which damaged ten fuel rods
1986 Chernobyl 7 Ukraine (USSR) Widespread health and environmental effects. External release of a significant fraction of reactor core inventory
1986 Hamm-Uentrop Germany Spherical fuel pebble became lodged in the pipe used to deliver fuel elements to the reactor
1981 Tsuraga 2 Japan More than 100 workers were exposed to doses of up to 155 millirem per day radiation
1980 Saint Laurent des Eaux 4 France Melting of one channel of fuel in the reactor with no release outside the site
1979 Three Mile Island 5 US Severe damage to the reactor core
1977 Jaslovské Bohunice 4 Czechoslovakia Damaged fuel integrity, extensive corrosion damage of fuel cladding and release of radioactivity
1969 Lucens Switzerland Total loss of coolant led to a power excursion and explosion of experimental reactor
1967 Chapelcross UK Graphite debris partially blocked a fuel channel causing a fuel element to melt and catch fire
1966 Monroe US Sodium cooling system malfunction
1964 Charlestown US Error by a worker at a United Nuclear Corporation fuel facility led to an accidental criticality
1959 Santa Susana Field Laboratory US Partial core meltdown
1958 Chalk River Canada Due to inadequate cooling a damaged uranium fuel rod caught fire and was torn in two
1958 Vinča Yugoslavia During a subcritical counting experiment a power buildup went undetected - six scientists received high doses
1957 Kyshtym 6 Russia Significant release of radioactive material to the environment from explosion of a high activity waste tank.
1957 Windscale Pile 5 UK Release of radioactive material to the environment following a fire in a reactor core
1952 Chalk River 5 Canada A reactor shutoff rod failure, combined with several operator errors, led to a major power excursion of more than double the reactor's rated output at AECL's NRX reactor.

The community of Hynburn can only benefit from the wind farms. Friends up there in Bash had been having loads of trouble with their tv pictures but we sorted it and it wasn't a tenner to do it.


LancsLass says...

Doesnt matter if you walk over the moors or not it is when you pay for a tv license and the darn things cause interuptions to your viewing channels that they are annoying why pay a tv license if I cant view bbc 1 or bbc 2 along with many other channels all down to the stupid mind turbines?

Anyone who sits watching the BBC or even admits to watching the BBC as got to be one of those sheeple I tell you all about, 'this is what their like' they think they're having their minds controlled by the mind turbines.

What kind of fcuking Matrix am I in today....
Forty percent of all the wind energy in Europe blows over the UK, making it an ideal country for wind turbines. The Northwest region undoubtedly gets the lions share too, with Lancashire, Cumbria, Cheshire and Manchester benefiting the most from wind turbine solutions.Yearly Incident incidents occur with nuclear power going back to 1952. This does not include military nuclear usage 2011 Fukushima 5 Japan Reactor shutdown after the 2011 Sendai earthquake and tsunami; failure of emergency cooling caused an explosion 2011 Onagawa Japan Reactor shutdown after the 2011 Sendai earthquake and tsunami caused a fire 2006 Fleurus 4 Belgium Severe health effects for a worker at a commercial irradiation facility as a result of high doses of radiation 2006 Forsmark 2 Sweden Degraded safety functions for common cause failure in the emergency power supply system at nuclear power plant 2006 Erwin US Thirty-five litres of a highly enriched uranium solution leaked during transfer 2005 Sellafield 3 UK Release of large quantity of radioactive material, contained within the installation 2005 Atucha 2 Argentina Overexposure of a worker at a power reactor exceeding the annual limit 2005 Braidwood US Nuclear material leak 2003 Paks 3 Hungary Partially spent fuel rods undergoing cleaning in a tank of heavy water ruptured and spilled fuel pellets 1999 Tokaimura 4 Japan Fatal overexposures of workers following a criticality event at a nuclear facility 1999 Yanangio 3 Peru Incident with radiography source resulting in severe radiation burns 1999 Ikitelli 3 Turkey Loss of a highly radioactive Co-60 source 1999 Ishikawa 2 Japan Control rod malfunction 1993 Tomsk 4 Russia Pressure buildup led to an explosive mechanical failure 1993 Cadarache 2 France Spread of contamination to an area not expected by design 1989 Vandellos 3 Spain Near accident caused by fire resulting in loss of safety systems at the nuclear power station 1989 Greifswald Germany Excessive heating which damaged ten fuel rods 1986 Chernobyl 7 Ukraine (USSR) Widespread health and environmental effects. External release of a significant fraction of reactor core inventory 1986 Hamm-Uentrop Germany Spherical fuel pebble became lodged in the pipe used to deliver fuel elements to the reactor 1981 Tsuraga 2 Japan More than 100 workers were exposed to doses of up to 155 millirem per day radiation 1980 Saint Laurent des Eaux 4 France Melting of one channel of fuel in the reactor with no release outside the site 1979 Three Mile Island 5 US Severe damage to the reactor core 1977 Jaslovské Bohunice 4 Czechoslovakia Damaged fuel integrity, extensive corrosion damage of fuel cladding and release of radioactivity 1969 Lucens Switzerland Total loss of coolant led to a power excursion and explosion of experimental reactor 1967 Chapelcross UK Graphite debris partially blocked a fuel channel causing a fuel element to melt and catch fire 1966 Monroe US Sodium cooling system malfunction 1964 Charlestown US Error by a worker at a United Nuclear Corporation fuel facility led to an accidental criticality 1959 Santa Susana Field Laboratory US Partial core meltdown 1958 Chalk River Canada Due to inadequate cooling a damaged uranium fuel rod caught fire and was torn in two 1958 Vinča Yugoslavia During a subcritical counting experiment a power buildup went undetected - six scientists received high doses 1957 Kyshtym 6 Russia Significant release of radioactive material to the environment from explosion of a high activity waste tank. 1957 Windscale Pile 5 UK Release of radioactive material to the environment following a fire in a reactor core 1952 Chalk River 5 Canada A reactor shutoff rod failure, combined with several operator errors, led to a major power excursion of more than double the reactor's rated output at AECL's NRX reactor. The community of Hynburn can only benefit from the wind farms. Friends up there in Bash had been having loads of trouble with their tv pictures but we sorted it and it wasn't a tenner to do it. LancsLass says... Doesnt matter if you walk over the moors or not it is when you pay for a tv license and the darn things cause interuptions to your viewing channels that they are annoying why pay a tv license if I cant view bbc 1 or bbc 2 along with many other channels all down to the stupid mind turbines? Anyone who sits watching the BBC or even admits to watching the BBC as got to be one of those sheeple I tell you all about, 'this is what their like' they think they're having their minds controlled by the mind turbines. What kind of fcuking Matrix am I in today.... Info-warrior

10:14pm Thu 24 Jan 13

2 for 5p says...

QUOTE:

Campaigners against the bid also submitted a 60-signature petition, and 47 objection letters, to Hyndburn Council.

That's not many to say oswaldtwistlehas a population of 12,532 not even 1/2 a per cent

Welcome wind farms
QUOTE: Campaigners against the bid also submitted a 60-signature petition, and 47 objection letters, to Hyndburn Council. That's not many to say oswaldtwistlehas a population of 12,532 not even 1/2 a per cent Welcome wind farms 2 for 5p

2:15am Fri 25 Jan 13

clickhere says...

Germany is closing its nuclear power stations following the Fukushima difficulty, and replacing them with 16 coal fired power stations, to be completed before 2020.
Hmm, and we are closing ours because they are too dirty?
Germany is closing its nuclear power stations following the Fukushima difficulty, and replacing them with 16 coal fired power stations, to be completed before 2020. Hmm, and we are closing ours because they are too dirty? clickhere

8:17am Fri 25 Jan 13

A Darener says...

I wonder what would have happened if the Luddites had got their way and destroyed all the machines during the industrial revolution? If they had stopped all the mill chimneys from being built, weren't they even more of a eye sore? Not only polluting the skyline but polluting the atmosphere as well, causing untold damage to people's health. Also all the windmills of old,milling flour. We're they considered an eyesore at the time? They may be a big con by the green brigade but they are here and probably here to stay, so we will just have to put up with them unless the Government get off their backside and build the non polluting nuclear power stations.
I wonder what would have happened if the Luddites had got their way and destroyed all the machines during the industrial revolution? If they had stopped all the mill chimneys from being built, weren't they even more of a eye sore? Not only polluting the skyline but polluting the atmosphere as well, causing untold damage to people's health. Also all the windmills of old,milling flour. We're they considered an eyesore at the time? They may be a big con by the green brigade but they are here and probably here to stay, so we will just have to put up with them unless the Government get off their backside and build the non polluting nuclear power stations. A Darener

12:11pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Justmyviews says...

When are the public finally going to wake up and realise that the amounts of wind energy being installed across Britain are categorically too much with present technology.

I've said it many times, but this race for wind is no longer about the UK being "green" or environmentally friendly, it is about meeting arbitrary "2020" agreements to which we are signed up and legally bound with Europe.

The subsidies being paid to these energy companies by Britain's electricity consumers, (The energy companies refused to build large scale wind generating plants without such subsidies as they are patently too inefficient and costly), amounts to hundreds of £billions.

Reliance on more wind power than the system has daily reserve margin (which will happen with present wind power implementation policy) is utter folly, and will compromise security of electrical supply.

Recently, the energy companies finally confirmed that without intermittency back-up, i.e. new build CCGT gas fuelled generation, the reliance on wind for ~25% of UK base-load electrical power generation will result in widespread and ongoing power cuts. (Something which I and a few other enlightened individuals have been saying for years!).

Government has already been forced to sanction 20GW worth of new build gas turbine generating plant within the next 7-8 years for that very purpose.
Plant which will be running 24 hours a day, seven days a week, using gas as its fuel, but producing electricity only whenever the wind turbines aren't. All highly inefficient and extremely expensive. - And all of which is, yet again, to be paid for by subsidy from the UK electricity consumer!!! - The energy companies are laughing all the way to the banks.
(It is also noteworthy that the officials are keeping very quiet indeed about the impact of such inefficient usage of the volumes of gas involved on the overall carbon footprint of wind generation!).

They can dress all this up and put as much political spin on it as they like, but the UK energy policy as it stands is a shambles and an insult to the intelligence of (at least some of) the British population.

We are being taken to the financial cleaners in the name of carbon friendliness, when in truth, what is being delivered is little more than a cap doffing exercise to the Eurocrats which is putting £billions into the pockets of foreign owned energy companies and those of the land owners on whose properties the turbines are erected.
When are the public finally going to wake up and realise that the amounts of wind energy being installed across Britain are categorically too much with present technology. I've said it many times, but this race for wind is no longer about the UK being "green" or environmentally friendly, it is about meeting arbitrary "2020" agreements to which we are signed up and legally bound with Europe. The subsidies being paid to these energy companies by Britain's electricity consumers, (The energy companies refused to build large scale wind generating plants without such subsidies as they are patently too inefficient and costly), amounts to hundreds of £billions. Reliance on more wind power than the system has daily reserve margin (which will happen with present wind power implementation policy) is utter folly, and will compromise security of electrical supply. Recently, the energy companies finally confirmed that without intermittency back-up, i.e. new build CCGT gas fuelled generation, the reliance on wind for ~25% of UK base-load electrical power generation will result in widespread and ongoing power cuts. (Something which I and a few other enlightened individuals have been saying for years!). Government has already been forced to sanction 20GW worth of new build gas turbine generating plant within the next 7-8 years for that very purpose. Plant which will be running 24 hours a day, seven days a week, using gas as its fuel, but producing electricity only whenever the wind turbines aren't. All highly inefficient and extremely expensive. - And all of which is, yet again, to be paid for by subsidy from the UK electricity consumer!!! - The energy companies are laughing all the way to the banks. (It is also noteworthy that the officials are keeping very quiet indeed about the impact of such inefficient usage of the volumes of gas involved on the overall carbon footprint of wind generation!). They can dress all this up and put as much political spin on it as they like, but the UK energy policy as it stands is a shambles and an insult to the intelligence of (at least some of) the British population. We are being taken to the financial cleaners in the name of carbon friendliness, when in truth, what is being delivered is little more than a cap doffing exercise to the Eurocrats which is putting £billions into the pockets of foreign owned energy companies and those of the land owners on whose properties the turbines are erected. Justmyviews

3:06pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Stop Backenders says...

Windy Miller What a joke
They say it will supply 7 houses for electric you could build 30 houses or more or employ 100 people or more for the money wasted on these things pluss they cost more to maintain then the everage electricity bill for 7 houses for what they will supply.
The only good thing they are fit for is scrap instead of lining the pockets of the people who maintain them and give planning permission to erect these windturbines I wonder how many MPs have shares in the company that sell them they can't even run if the winds to strong what a joke. Tell you what I bet the planning department wouldent have these in their back yard they will not listen to any one because they think their god allmighty and what they say goes, The planning department as allready killed accrington off why not kill the surrounding contryside off as well it will be the final nail in the coffin for Accrington and Ossy.

Get together people and if the arrogant planning or councill won't listen get them out of power they don't deserve to be there when they dont listen to what the people want there only interested in money because money talks
Windy Miller What a joke They say it will supply 7 houses for electric you could build 30 houses or more or employ 100 people or more for the money wasted on these things pluss they cost more to maintain then the everage electricity bill for 7 houses for what they will supply. The only good thing they are fit for is scrap instead of lining the pockets of the people who maintain them and give planning permission to erect these windturbines I wonder how many MPs have shares in the company that sell them they can't even run if the winds to strong what a joke. Tell you what I bet the planning department wouldent have these in their back yard they will not listen to any one because they think their god allmighty and what they say goes, The planning department as allready killed accrington off why not kill the surrounding contryside off as well it will be the final nail in the coffin for Accrington and Ossy. Get together people and if the arrogant planning or councill won't listen get them out of power they don't deserve to be there when they dont listen to what the people want there only interested in money because money talks Stop Backenders

3:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Stop Backenders says...

2 for 5p wrote:
QUOTE:

Campaigners against the bid also submitted a 60-signature petition, and 47 objection letters, to Hyndburn Council.

That's not many to say oswaldtwistlehas a population of 12,532 not even 1/2 a per cent

Welcome wind farms
Sounds like you havent done any researce into these wind farm do some first and you will find they do more damage then good they are not green as you think they are there a way of screwing the public out of money by lying with false figures and facts that dont add up
[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p[/bold] wrote: QUOTE: Campaigners against the bid also submitted a 60-signature petition, and 47 objection letters, to Hyndburn Council. That's not many to say oswaldtwistlehas a population of 12,532 not even 1/2 a per cent Welcome wind farms[/p][/quote]Sounds like you havent done any researce into these wind farm do some first and you will find they do more damage then good they are not green as you think they are there a way of screwing the public out of money by lying with false figures and facts that dont add up Stop Backenders

5:09pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Stop Backenders says...

Ok lets put the cards on the table how much will all this cost including maintainance and repairs 1Million, 2 Million or more.

Why cant that money be invested in supplying and fitting solar panels to peoples houses instead of the companys and goverment making money out of it. It will work out cheaper and more benificial as the unused free elecricity by the house holders would go back into the grid without the huge running cost of maintaing the windturbines plus you would be able to train and employ local people to fit these and keep them in a job with plenty of money left over and supplying alot more houses then what a wind Turbine can do.
The reason they dont want you to do this is because you will get free electricity from the solar panels not like the wind turbines that means less profit for them and the national grid but if you want to buy this solar kit of the electricity companys they will bend over backwards for them to install it free so you wont get free elecricity You only get a very small percentage free they dont want you to buy it because they get the profits out of the goverment cash back over 20 years. So councillors how much would it cost to invest in this system instead of the wind turbine cash generating goverment money spinning rip off Why dont you get your act in order and do some researce for once instead of wasteing peoples money on things that will be wriiten of in 5 years time as a bad idea written on paper because you dont give a dam you suck up to these greedy companys ripping us off with all there false spin and lies .That money should go on free solar panels instead of wasted on these turbines that dont work halve the time The goverment and big fat cats dont want you to have free electicity thats why they support the windfarms more cash for them for there fat live styles if you pass this you should be ashamed of youselves as spineless puppets get the rotten apples out and let some one with common sense do the job for you or will it be yes sir no sir i get the plans passed for you im the planning man I can do what i want
Ok lets put the cards on the table how much will all this cost including maintainance and repairs 1Million, 2 Million or more. Why cant that money be invested in supplying and fitting solar panels to peoples houses instead of the companys and goverment making money out of it. It will work out cheaper and more benificial as the unused free elecricity by the house holders would go back into the grid without the huge running cost of maintaing the windturbines plus you would be able to train and employ local people to fit these and keep them in a job with plenty of money left over and supplying alot more houses then what a wind Turbine can do. The reason they dont want you to do this is because you will get free electricity from the solar panels not like the wind turbines that means less profit for them and the national grid but if you want to buy this solar kit of the electricity companys they will bend over backwards for them to install it free so you wont get free elecricity You only get a very small percentage free they dont want you to buy it because they get the profits out of the goverment cash back over 20 years. So councillors how much would it cost to invest in this system instead of the wind turbine cash generating goverment money spinning rip off Why dont you get your act in order and do some researce for once instead of wasteing peoples money on things that will be wriiten of in 5 years time as a bad idea written on paper because you dont give a dam you suck up to these greedy companys ripping us off with all there false spin and lies .That money should go on free solar panels instead of wasted on these turbines that dont work halve the time The goverment and big fat cats dont want you to have free electicity thats why they support the windfarms more cash for them for there fat live styles if you pass this you should be ashamed of youselves as spineless puppets get the rotten apples out and let some one with common sense do the job for you or will it be yes sir no sir i get the plans passed for you im the planning man I can do what i want Stop Backenders

5:38pm Wed 30 Jan 13

A Darener says...

.That money should go on free solar panels instead of wasted on these turbines that dont work halve the time "

Solar panels don't work for MORE than half the time, 12 hours a day is night! Plus the amount of sun in northern latitudes of England, Scotland is very limited.
.That money should go on free solar panels instead of wasted on these turbines that dont work halve the time " Solar panels don't work for MORE than half the time, 12 hours a day is night! Plus the amount of sun in northern latitudes of England, Scotland is very limited. A Darener

6:06pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Stop Backenders says...

A Darener wrote:
.That money should go on free solar panels instead of wasted on these turbines that dont work halve the time "

Solar panels don't work for MORE than half the time, 12 hours a day is night! Plus the amount of sun in northern latitudes of England, Scotland is very limited.
Fair point your queit right we do have crap weather at times but the panels are a better investment then these windfarms that dont work half the time and only the companys and money making fat cats get something out of it not the public you never know we might just get are summers back from the seventys wishfull thinking. the point I was making was the planning department for Hyndburn are up the goverments and other big companys like the windfarms backside for ripping people off with false data and thinking they can do what they want as as always, they will mock the person who tries to object to there plans as they think they are god
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: .That money should go on free solar panels instead of wasted on these turbines that dont work halve the time " Solar panels don't work for MORE than half the time, 12 hours a day is night! Plus the amount of sun in northern latitudes of England, Scotland is very limited.[/p][/quote]Fair point your queit right we do have crap weather at times but the panels are a better investment then these windfarms that dont work half the time and only the companys and money making fat cats get something out of it not the public you never know we might just get are summers back from the seventys wishfull thinking. the point I was making was the planning department for Hyndburn are up the goverments and other big companys like the windfarms backside for ripping people off with false data and thinking they can do what they want as as always, they will mock the person who tries to object to there plans as they think they are god Stop Backenders

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