Plan for 1,000 homes in Ribble Valley lashed as 'stupid' (From Lancashire Telegraph)

What a bunch of nimby's.

This will bring out the Ribble Valley haters.
C'mon 2for5p, give us some more of your words of wisdom.
Developments of this size amount to a whole new township.
Given the new rules for getting a mortgage, nobody will be able to afford these houses anyway!
This is simply developers 'banking' planning permission for up to 20 years ahead. Bit like those useless windmill power applications.
Plenty of brownfield sites here in Gt Harwood if that is what is troubling the 'caring, helpful developers'.

Its inevitable the Ribble Valley will be developed its a sort after area to live in, action groups can complain all they want, but they will lose in the long run they may delay projects and knock them back but in the end the developers always win.

Clitheroe currently has just under 7,000 houses but with all the aplications already approved and others in the pipeline we stand to inherit an extra 2,165. Its not a case of being NIMBY's and we accept that some more houses are required to meet the needs of both the young and those not so young. Clitheroe constitutes 25% of the Ribble Valley and if our council think 4,000 extra houses are required around the borough we believe we should not be expected to build more than our fair share of 1,000. The real problem of building 1,000 houses is Ribble Valley Borough Council have no infrastructure plans. There are no intentions to build new schools, create extra car parking, improve the road network, provide extra health care.... in short they have no intentions of improving anything. So if we cant accommodate another 1,000 houses how can Clitheroe manage to absorb 2,165? Obviously it can't. The recent census indicates that 2,165 houses means 5,195 extra people and 2,941 extra cars. A small market town the size of Clitheroe cannot cope with such an influx of people and cars.

I wonder if they have applied for 1,000 homes, but will negotiate down to, say, 800 to get approval ? The usual gambit.

I am sure Eric Pickles will approve the plans. Ironic really, that the Tories are likely to approve the proposed development. To quote the Daily Mail "Communities Secretary Eric Pickles overturned the initial council ruling, which means the homes can be built near the historical home of Anne Hathaway in Shottery, Warwickshire. Read it and weep.

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Money talks !!!!!!!!!!!

Money talks !!!!!!!!!!!

Yes winner.
This is just the start we need building land you've got lots of it .
Rubble Valley the new skelmersdale. Hopefully. :-)

2 for 5p wrote:
Yes winner.
This is just the start we need building land you've got lots of it .
Rubble Valley the new skelmersdale. Hopefully. :-)

Rubble Valley, brilliant! Are you Colin Edmonds? If you are I hope you put those books somewhere a lot safer than Bob did.

Eric pickles will approve the plans, and with the boundary changes which will see Gt Harwood and Rishton in the Ribble valley, A labour MP will follow.
so the more the merrier.

I've got a open question for the dibble valley NIMBYs I see your so against expansion and new home building in your area.
So given that we have a growing population were do you lot expect. Homes to be built. Remember you have plenty of land and your farmers are always drivelling on about how they arnt making any profit , so why not turn that land into homes.

Steve Rush wrote:
Clitheroe currently has just under 7,000 houses but with all the aplications already approved and others in the pipeline we stand to inherit an extra 2,165. Its not a case of being NIMBY's and we accept that some more houses are required to meet the needs of both the young and those not so young. Clitheroe constitutes 25% of the Ribble Valley and if our council think 4,000 extra houses are required around the borough we believe we should not be expected to build more than our fair share of 1,000. The real problem of building 1,000 houses is Ribble Valley Borough Council have no infrastructure plans. There are no intentions to build new schools, create extra car parking, improve the road network, provide extra health care.... in short they have no intentions of improving anything. So if we cant accommodate another 1,000 houses how can Clitheroe manage to absorb 2,165? Obviously it can't. The recent census indicates that 2,165 houses means 5,195 extra people and 2,941 extra cars. A small market town the size of Clitheroe cannot cope with such an influx of people and cars.

Tissue of lies
A few weeks ago there was a article in the LT about a new medical centre in Cribble valley so that's one lie nailed

In the article above it says about building a new school so that is that lie nailed.

Jobs are not needed as there is a invention called busses and cars and trains you know.

The only thing you may have is roads however im sure that can be over come easily.

So steve just get used to it nibble valley is going to become a overflow town just like skem :-)

Bramleymeadboy, you have to remember that 2for5p gets his kicks by knocking the Ribble valley. Quite a few of his posts are timed in the middle of the night, probably on top of a large alcohol consumption.
Bet he could not wait till this morning to see the results of his last night's post.....
2for 5p, Skem was full of council houses, inhabited by displaced scousers during a slum clearance programme in Liverpool. Do you know something we don't?
Gt Harwood is mostly Tory, so that should help Nigel Evans don't you think?
Why are you so spitefull towards Ribble Valley folk?

eastlancslad wrote:
Bramleymeadboy, you have to remember that 2for5p gets his kicks by knocking the Ribble valley. Quite a few of his posts are timed in the middle of the night, probably on top of a large alcohol consumption.
Bet he could not wait till this morning to see the results of his last night's post.....
2for 5p, Skem was full of council houses, inhabited by displaced scousers during a slum clearance programme in Liverpool. Do you know something we don't?
Gt Harwood is mostly Tory, so that should help Nigel Evans don't you think?
Why are you so spitefull towards Ribble Valley folk?

You PRAT has it ever ocured to you that I work night shift. Yes work very hard you git.
Don't go judging everyone else by your standards.

And your second point yes I do know something yes Drissel valley has been ear marked for Blackburn accy burnley and nelson displaced people overflow area sorry to break the news to you but hey can't wait bring it on .
I can't wait :-)

I agree with 2for5p - The Ribble Valley will need a lot more than a 1000 new homes - with "white flight" from towns like Burnley,Accrington,B
lackburn,Nelson,etc.
these new homes will get snapped up. So let's embrace it and hope that they will be reasonably priced and there is a good infrastructure put in place to cater for the new influx!

I agree with 2for5p - The Ribble Valley will need a lot more than a 1000 new homes - with "white flight" from towns like Burnley,Accrington,B
lackburn,Nelson,etc.
these new homes will get snapped up. So let's embrace it and hope that they will be reasonably priced and there is a good infrastructure put in place to cater for the new influx!

I agree with 2for5p - The Ribble Valley will need a lot more than a 1000 new homes - with "white flight" from towns like Burnley,Accrington,B
lackburn,Nelson,etc.
these new homes will get snapped up. So let's embrace it and hope that they will be reasonably priced and there is a good infrastructure put in place to cater for the new influx!

I agree with 2for5p - The Ribble Valley will need a lot more than a 1000 new homes - with "white flight" from towns like Burnley,Accrington,B
lackburn,Nelson,etc.
these new homes will get snapped up. So let's embrace it and hope that they will be reasonably priced and there is a good infrastructure put in place to cater for the new influx!

No new medical centre in the Ribble Valley just an updating of Clitheroe Hospital into the 21st century.
No new school to be built just land where one might be built. The Calderstones development made land avaialable for a school and they have just built another 39 houses on it.
Standen Estate is nowhere near the train station or a major bus route. It is very close to the A59 - more cars will be used to migrate out of Clitheroe to work.
Only 312 houses are affordable. But who classes £165,000 as affordable. Anyone wanting one of these better start saving. The other 728 range from 3 - 5 bed open market houses with nothing under £225,000.

It's inevitable that a substantial number of new homes will need to be built in Clitheroe. I live in the town and having considered all the developments that have been proposed this one actually seems to be in the best location. It is not within the a stone's throw of the town centre like the development proposed for Waddington Road which will cause considerable congestion. It's well located just off the A59 and will result in a new roundabout at the junction with Sabden (which we've been campaigning for for years), and if the developer and the county council committ to ensure that a new primary school is built and a shuttle bus is provided to the train station then I can't see any reason why it can't go ahead. Yes its sad to see green fields being built on but Clitheroe doesn't have a great deal of brownfield sites and those have already been earmarked for development. No doubt as the population grows this will boost the local economy and bring more people into the town centre shops... just need some more car parks or a Park and Ride scheme??

paperboy70 wrote:
It's inevitable that a substantial number of new homes will need to be built in Clitheroe. I live in the town and having considered all the developments that have been proposed this one actually seems to be in the best location. It is not within the a stone's throw of the town centre like the development proposed for Waddington Road which will cause considerable congestion. It's well located just off the A59 and will result in a new roundabout at the junction with Sabden (which we've been campaigning for for years), and if the developer and the county council committ to ensure that a new primary school is built and a shuttle bus is provided to the train station then I can't see any reason why it can't go ahead. Yes its sad to see green fields being built on but Clitheroe doesn't have a great deal of brownfield sites and those have already been earmarked for development. No doubt as the population grows this will boost the local economy and bring more people into the town centre shops... just need some more car parks or a Park and Ride scheme??

They don't actually commit to building a new primary school they only commit to putting land to one side to allow the COUNCIL to build a school IF they want to, seeing as the council has no money there is no chance of it being built as Steve Rush says above you.

Normally I don't agree with him but on this he is correct, there will be no school built and whilst Clitheroe hospital MAY be modernised the old building will be demolished and houses built on the site to pay for the new one, and the NHS will probably have to sign one of these public private partnerships like they did with Royal Blackburn putting them into more debt.

petestan wrote:

paperboy70 wrote:
It's inevitable that a substantial number of new homes will need to be built in Clitheroe. I live in the town and having considered all the developments that have been proposed this one actually seems to be in the best location. It is not within the a stone's throw of the town centre like the development proposed for Waddington Road which will cause considerable congestion. It's well located just off the A59 and will result in a new roundabout at the junction with Sabden (which we've been campaigning for for years), and if the developer and the county council committ to ensure that a new primary school is built and a shuttle bus is provided to the train station then I can't see any reason why it can't go ahead. Yes its sad to see green fields being built on but Clitheroe doesn't have a great deal of brownfield sites and those have already been earmarked for development. No doubt as the population grows this will boost the local economy and bring more people into the town centre shops... just need some more car parks or a Park and Ride scheme??

They don't actually commit to building a new primary school they only commit to putting land to one side to allow the COUNCIL to build a school IF they want to, seeing as the council has no money there is no chance of it being built as Steve Rush says above you.

Normally I don't agree with him but on this he is correct, there will be no school built and whilst Clitheroe hospital MAY be modernised the old building will be demolished and houses built on the site to pay for the new one, and the NHS will probably have to sign one of these public private partnerships like they did with Royal Blackburn putting them into more debt.

If LCC don't have the money then RVBC must ensure that it is part of the approval terms that the contractor builds the school, not just set the land aside. Also how many local people actually use the Community Hospital at the moment - its a very limited offering which will have no bearing on this new development as the majority of people who need hospital level support are always advised to go straight to Blackburn.

paperboy70 wrote:

petestan wrote:

paperboy70 wrote:
It's inevitable that a substantial number of new homes will need to be built in Clitheroe. I live in the town and having considered all the developments that have been proposed this one actually seems to be in the best location. It is not within the a stone's throw of the town centre like the development proposed for Waddington Road which will cause considerable congestion. It's well located just off the A59 and will result in a new roundabout at the junction with Sabden (which we've been campaigning for for years), and if the developer and the county council committ to ensure that a new primary school is built and a shuttle bus is provided to the train station then I can't see any reason why it can't go ahead. Yes its sad to see green fields being built on but Clitheroe doesn't have a great deal of brownfield sites and those have already been earmarked for development. No doubt as the population grows this will boost the local economy and bring more people into the town centre shops... just need some more car parks or a Park and Ride scheme??

They don't actually commit to building a new primary school they only commit to putting land to one side to allow the COUNCIL to build a school IF they want to, seeing as the council has no money there is no chance of it being built as Steve Rush says above you.

Normally I don't agree with him but on this he is correct, there will be no school built and whilst Clitheroe hospital MAY be modernised the old building will be demolished and houses built on the site to pay for the new one, and the NHS will probably have to sign one of these public private partnerships like they did with Royal Blackburn putting them into more debt.

If LCC don't have the money then RVBC must ensure that it is part of the approval terms that the contractor builds the school, not just set the land aside. Also how many local people actually use the Community Hospital at the moment - its a very limited offering which will have no bearing on this new development as the majority of people who need hospital level support are always advised to go straight to Blackburn.

The developer will not pay to build the school it will cost them to much and eat into their profits although I agree if possible it should be made to build it to a spec that the council say is acceptable (otherwise they will just build it on the cheap and it will be of no use), although the council then still has to find the money to run the place after it's built.
As for Clitheroe hospital it's more of a recuperation place than anything as far as I am aware, or it is at the moment, I am not sure if it still will be if it is done up. So people go to Blackburn for their ops and then come back to Clitheroe until they are able to be discharged.

having worked for various national housebuilders in the past, they have and will build community facilities / schools etc if they are desperate enough for their developments to get approval. RVBC just need to be firm and start calling the shots rather than the developer pulling the strings!

A large amount of these developments will be given the green light after the first initial turning down of planning aplication.You see its just a smokescreen, RVBC have been told they can keep all the council tax revenue for these new build for the first six years instead of sending it to central goverment then getting there re distributed share! So the knock back by any planners is only a delay to try and fool the public into thinking the council is opposed.

Steve Rush wrote:
No new medical centre in the Ribble Valley just an updating of Clitheroe Hospital into the 21st century.
No new school to be built just land where one might be built. The Calderstones development made land avaialable for a school and they have just built another 39 houses on it.
Standen Estate is nowhere near the train station or a major bus route. It is very close to the A59 - more cars will be used to migrate out of Clitheroe to work.
Only 312 houses are affordable. But who classes £165,000 as affordable. Anyone wanting one of these better start saving. The other 728 range from 3 - 5 bed open market houses with nothing under £225,000.

Well said Steve Rush. You've nailed it. They are only building a new hospital - it is mainly a community hospital for older people, nothing like an extra doctors' surgery which is desperately needed. The developers only need to allocate funding for school PLACES, not the building itself, and as you said, the planned school at Calderstones never materialised. Good luck to anyone wishing to buy one of these new houses - you can bet 90% of them will go to people from outside the Ribble Valley as they're the only ones who can afford it! 2for5p assumes that everyone living here is made of money - we're not. The vast majority earn an ordinary wage and very fortunate to have the houses they have - through hard graft and luck with the housing market in past years. With over 1000 new homes there will be about 2000 more cars on the roads (the developers plan for 2 cars per household) and the road infrastructure cannot cope with it.
The proposed Waddow View development of nearly 400 homes states that parking will be integrated - that's all well and good for those buying the houses, but for the residents on the streets leading to this estate, we have been told they will introduce passing places to ease access - in other words double yellow lines. So the new homeowners get allocated parking places, and those who have lived here for years and struggle on a daily basis to park anywhere near their homes end up with less parking space. They will also introduce traffic lights at the Castle View junction - a narrow, difficult junction to get out of or turn into. Clitheroe Town Council have already objected on the basis that this junction is in fact a bridge and is not financially feasible to strengthen it. But as usual, people like 2for5p, from out of town, know better than those of us who use these roads on a daily basis.