Call for ban on Islamic events at Pleasington ceremony (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Why on earth would you want your late wife to be reburied elsewhere.?

Since I believe this particular group do not bury their dead in England and export them back to Pakistan!!!

sen c ble wrote:
Why on earth would you want your late wife to be reburied elsewhere.?

Since I believe this particular group do not bury their dead in England and export them back to Pakistan!!!

You obviously believe wrong then...

As stated a burial ground is a place for quiet reflection. Who on earth would want to use a PA system in a cemetery ?

ChiRho wrote:

sen c ble wrote:
Why on earth would you want your late wife to be reburied elsewhere.?

Since I believe this particular group do not bury their dead in England and export them back to Pakistan!!!

You obviously believe wrong then...

As stated a burial ground is a place for quiet reflection. Who on earth would want to use a PA system in a cemetery ?

I beg your pardon ChiRho?

sen c ble wrote:

ChiRho wrote:

sen c ble wrote:
Why on earth would you want your late wife to be reburied elsewhere.?

Since I believe this particular group do not bury their dead in England and export them back to Pakistan!!!

You obviously believe wrong then...

As stated a burial ground is a place for quiet reflection. Who on earth would want to use a PA system in a cemetery ?

I beg your pardon ChiRho?

You've misunderstood my initial post.

This group return their dead back to Pakistan, and so
why celebrate their festival in a UK cemetry!

Mr Ishmael Lorgat needs to understand that It is Haram to exhume the body of the dead from the grave or to take the body elsewhere for any invalid reason. However, the grave can be opened for a valid reason, eg. if the person was buried without Ghusl (Ablution) or made to face another direction other than the Qibla (facing Mecca), or if anything very important fell into the grave, or if the deceased was buried in a plot which was embezzled or if the person was given stolen Kaffan (Cloth used to wrap the deceased). In these cases, it becomes compulsory to open the grave and make the necessary changes (all these can only be done if the body is in a good state), however in Mr Lorgat's case it doesn't. As a result he should just let the individuals continue doing what their respected sect of islam allows them to do and try and avoid doing something Haram.

Did this event include an early morning firework display?? If it did I hope this wasn't sanctioned by a councillor!!!

REST IN PEACE ??? I don't think so .

Lorgat Lorgat you know full well there was no PA system going to be used this time, as things are improving and being co-ordinated alot better than a few years ago. How about you Mr Lorgat state your real reason behide your call for a ban the event because you don't like this ceratin sect! ........see you all on the 27th night of ramadan! should be a blast @ the cemetary! :)

Agree with Ishmael - although i do think his threat to have his wifes body exhumed is just a pretension provoked by having to unwillingly tolerate the Bidah (innovative) acts being performed by a minority. These idiots are rarely seen visiting the masjids nevermind the cemetary all year round and come an auspicious night like the one mentioned in the article, they are seen donning the traditional salwar kameez only to return to the normal routine the following night. The use of PA systems during the night in a cemetary is totally inappropriate and down right disrespectful!

Spot On 'righteous judgement.'
To use a PA system in any Cemetery is 100% disrespectful.
When planning such events, do the organisers ever give a thought to the other creeds buried in the Cemetery? I doubt it.

What about respect for the christian dead in this cemetery. I'm sure they didn't expect all that racket in the dead of the night!

This is an outrage! A cemetery is as Mr Lorgat said...a place of quiet reflection but it is a place of rest for our loved ones. A dignified resting place. A cemetery is a sacred place not a venue for events religious or otherwise.

PA system or not...how can this ridiculous council agree to any mass event such as this being held there? This is a Christian country & whilst I fully support a multicultural society, Christians do not hold events like this in graveyards, we would celebrate in appropriate places. If anything, in this country, night time activity in graveyards is considered macabre at best!

I fully support Mr Lorgats call for a ban regardless of what some on here are claiming his motives to be. I for one will be putting my views in writing to both the council & Jack Straw.

righteousjudgement wrote:
Agree with Ishmael - although i do think his threat to have his wifes body exhumed is just a pretension provoked by having to unwillingly tolerate the Bidah (innovative) acts being performed by a minority. These idiots are rarely seen visiting the masjids nevermind the cemetary all year round and come an auspicious night like the one mentioned in the article, they are seen donning the traditional salwar kameez only to return to the normal routine the following night. The use of PA systems during the night in a cemetary is totally inappropriate and down right disrespectful!

righteousjudgement and lorgat are both deaf dumb and blind idiots, quantity is not my issue like righteousjudgement has stated but quality is, quality comes with the correct belief and the sunni muslims possess this in their hearts, majority muslims around the world are sunni muslims, the najdis / wahabis / deobandis (pigs/haramies), marzais, shias, nadwis, chakralwis, ismaillis are all a minority.
The najdis / wahabis / deobandis are the so called muslims they give Islam a bad image and also give birth to terrorism and they allow bloodshed.
If you travel the world you will see sunnis everywhere you go, it’s easy trying to label your self as a sunni and fooling people around by committing good actions showing people that you are a stedfast muslims but in reality the najdis / wahabis / deobandis are the ones who have innovated in their belief, but you accuse sunnis of their good actions (good innovations).
It’s easy running to the councils for help but you won’t come face to face with a true sunni scholar for a debate to discuss your dirty innovated belief.
NevaStop says... “........see you all on the 27th night of ramadan! should be a blast @ the cemetary!” I hope it’s more than a blast!

N4you! wrote:

righteousjudgement wrote: Agree with Ishmael - although i do think his threat to have his wifes body exhumed is just a pretension provoked by having to unwillingly tolerate the Bidah (innovative) acts being performed by a minority. These idiots are rarely seen visiting the masjids nevermind the cemetary all year round and come an auspicious night like the one mentioned in the article, they are seen donning the traditional salwar kameez only to return to the normal routine the following night. The use of PA systems during the night in a cemetary is totally inappropriate and down right disrespectful!

righteousjudgement and lorgat are both deaf dumb and blind idiots, quantity is not my issue like righteousjudgement has stated but quality is, quality comes with the correct belief and the sunni muslims possess this in their hearts, majority muslims around the world are sunni muslims, the najdis / wahabis / deobandis (pigs/haramies), marzais, shias, nadwis, chakralwis, ismaillis are all a minority. The najdis / wahabis / deobandis are the so called muslims they give Islam a bad image and also give birth to terrorism and they allow bloodshed. If you travel the world you will see sunnis everywhere you go, it’s easy trying to label your self as a sunni and fooling people around by committing good actions showing people that you are a stedfast muslims but in reality the najdis / wahabis / deobandis are the ones who have innovated in their belief, but you accuse sunnis of their good actions (good innovations). It’s easy running to the councils for help but you won’t come face to face with a true sunni scholar for a debate to discuss your dirty innovated belief. NevaStop says... “........see you all on the 27th night of ramadan! should be a blast @ the cemetary!” I hope it’s more than a blast!

Shut your filthy mouth! Its ignorant scum like you that bring the beautiful religion of Islam into disrepute. Islam is a religion of peace and therefore commands we show consideration and forebearance for other members of the public regardless of race or religion nevermind other muslims. Where then do you get the authority to refer to members of another muslim sect as 'pigs' or 'haramies'???? If you are a scholar with this type of attitude then you are nothing but a war mongerer that incites hate between humans!
As for your invitation to a debate, i would much rather leave your crime to be brought in front of the king of kings on the day of justice.
see you then!

righteousjudgement and lorgat are both deaf dumb and blind idiots, quantity is not my issue like righteousjudgement has stated but quality is, quality comes with the correct belief and the sunni muslims possess this in their hearts, majority muslims around the world are sunni muslims, the najdis / wahabis / deobandis (pigs/haramies), marzais, shias, nadwis, chakralwis, ismaillis are all a minority.

I just had to comment.. you state the najdis,wahabis & deobandis are all minority, whilst they're all sunni. And compared to the other sects they are pigs/haramies. Go get yourself educated beacuse to state those words i would question your intellect. You've contradicted yourself on many occasions but im not here to pull your faults. If your peace loving who abides by Gods words you would not use those words to a Christian or a Jew, let alone a Muslim. Your quality in the heart can't be seen, whereas your actions can, which is one of the main attributes you'll be accounted for.

rio5 wrote:
righteousjudgement and lorgat are both deaf dumb and blind idiots, quantity is not my issue like righteousjudgement has stated but quality is, quality comes with the correct belief and the sunni muslims possess this in their hearts, majority muslims around the world are sunni muslims, the najdis / wahabis / deobandis (pigs/haramies), marzais, shias, nadwis, chakralwis, ismaillis are all a minority. I just had to comment.. you state the najdis,wahabis & deobandis are all minority, whilst they're all sunni. And compared to the other sects they are pigs/haramies. Go get yourself educated beacuse to state those words i would question your intellect. You've contradicted yourself on many occasions but im not here to pull your faults. If your peace loving who abides by Gods words you would not use those words to a Christian or a Jew, let alone a Muslim. Your quality in the heart can't be seen, whereas your actions can, which is one of the main attributes you'll be accounted for.

najdis, wahabis and deobandis are not sunnis they are wanna bes if I describe them in one word they’re TRANSVESTITE. I didn’t say compared to other sects they are pigs / haramies, I said they are. If you can’t read and understand what a human is saying then deffinately you will not understand Allah’s message.
What contradictions??? point them out, impossible because you'll just end slapping your own face!!!
To hate the najdis, wahabis and deobandis is a quality of the heart and sign of a strong faith.
The najdis, wahabis and deobandis are verse then the non muslims because they pray the kalimah and innovate in their belief (The najdis, wahabis and deobandi scholars have wrote a lot of disrespectful literature which goes against the belief of a muslim and it’s this literature the true sunnis want to debate about they keep avoiding and running away and keep calling the sunnis biddati’s (innovators) and mushrik (polytheist).

righteousjudgement wrote:

N4you! wrote:

righteousjudgement wrote: Agree with Ishmael - although i do think his threat to have his wifes body exhumed is just a pretension provoked by having to unwillingly tolerate the Bidah (innovative) acts being performed by a minority. These idiots are rarely seen visiting the masjids nevermind the cemetary all year round and come an auspicious night like the one mentioned in the article, they are seen donning the traditional salwar kameez only to return to the normal routine the following night. The use of PA systems during the night in a cemetary is totally inappropriate and down right disrespectful!

righteousjudgement and lorgat are both deaf dumb and blind idiots, quantity is not my issue like righteousjudgement has stated but quality is, quality comes with the correct belief and the sunni muslims possess this in their hearts, majority muslims around the world are sunni muslims, the najdis / wahabis / deobandis (pigs/haramies), marzais, shias, nadwis, chakralwis, ismaillis are all a minority. The najdis / wahabis / deobandis are the so called muslims they give Islam a bad image and also give birth to terrorism and they allow bloodshed. If you travel the world you will see sunnis everywhere you go, it’s easy trying to label your self as a sunni and fooling people around by committing good actions showing people that you are a stedfast muslims but in reality the najdis / wahabis / deobandis are the ones who have innovated in their belief, but you accuse sunnis of their good actions (good innovations). It’s easy running to the councils for help but you won’t come face to face with a true sunni scholar for a debate to discuss your dirty innovated belief. NevaStop says... “........see you all on the 27th night of ramadan! should be a blast @ the cemetary!” I hope it’s more than a blast!

Shut your filthy mouth! Its ignorant scum like you that bring the beautiful religion of Islam into disrepute. Islam is a religion of peace and therefore commands we show consideration and forebearance for other members of the public regardless of race or religion nevermind other muslims. Where then do you get the authority to refer to members of another muslim sect as 'pigs' or 'haramies'???? If you are a scholar with this type of attitude then you are nothing but a war mongerer that incites hate between humans! As for your invitation to a debate, i would much rather leave your crime to be brought in front of the king of kings on the day of justice. see you then!

The najdis, wahabis and deobandis are the terrorists they allow bloodshed suicide bombs where has your peace gone? Every sunni muslim has the authority to hate and refute other sects which have deviated from the path of Islam forget me where I get the authority from.
The najdis, wahabis and deobandis will never debate sunni scholars, they are ignorant here in this world and on the day of judment they will believe that the sunnis were correct but they will realize it’s to late now to believe.
To save your Iman (faith) join the ahle sunnat wal jamaat (sunnis) so you can be amongst them going to heaven.

By the way, which muslim community does I. Lorgat represent ? !!!

sen c ble wrote:
By the way, which muslim community does I. Lorgat represent ? !!!

wahabi or deobandi just the same different name