Tug-of-war between Thwaites and council bosses over plan for Sainsbury's in Blackburn

DEVELOPMENT ROW The old market site, next to The Mall shopping centre, and the Thwaites building DEVELOPMENT ROW The old market site, next to The Mall shopping centre, and the Thwaites building

Thwaites and Blackburn with Darwen Council are locked in a tug-of-war over a major new town centre supermarket plan – with the future of a car park the key sticking point.

Both the brewery giant and the council want the supermarket development on their land, but weeks of behind-the-scenes talks have led to a stand-off, the Lancashire Telegraph can today reveal.

At the centre of the increasing row is Starkie Street car park, in the middle of the brewery site, where the council will not give up the last 70 years of a 99-year-lease.

The local authority has been in talks for years with Sainsbury’s and Tesco about developing a large store on the old market site, next to the Mall shopping centre.

Last year Thwaites announced that not only were they closing the Star Brewery, but had agreed to sell it to Sainsbury’s for a giant store, pending planning permission.

And council bosses said they were shocked when, despite intensive negotiations, the company’s annual report last week confirmed its determination to go ahead, despite the council’s strong objections.

Political leaders are now determined to block further moves by Thwaites as the council has 70 years left on a 99-year-long lease on the Starkie Street car park in the middle of the brewery site.

They are refusing to give it up unless a deal on the regeneration of both sites is agreed with the brewery.

Without the land occupied by the 128-space car park, the site (valued at between £12million and £15 million) is useless for a supermarket development and would destroy the economics of the Thwaites plans to close the brewery, sell the site, and build a new plant in, or near, Blackburn.

Leader of Blackburn with Darwen Council Kate Hollern and regeneration boss Dave Harling said the council would not give up the lease without a plan that developed at least part of the old market as a super-store, and an assurance that Thwaites’ new brewery would be in, or near, the borough.

Thwaites chief executive Rick Bailey confirmed that the council did have a lease with 70 years left to run on Starkie Street car park, admitting: “We cannot go ahead without their agreement.”

Tomorrow Blackburn MP Jack Straw will meet Mr Bailey to try to broker a deal to end the supermaket stand-off between two of the town’s biggest employers.

While Thwaites could contest the authority refusing planning permission for a Sainsbury’s store with a reasonable chance of winning within their four- year timetable, legally forcing the council to give up the lease would be lengthy, very expen-sive, and virtually impossible.

Coun Hollern said: “We are concerned about this commer-cial decision of Thwaites.

“We have a long lease of Starkie Street car park which has 70 years left to run.

“If we can agree a comprehensive joint plan to redevelop the old market and brewery sites, including a supermaket, with Thwaites, the council relinquishing the remainder of the lease is an option.

“If we cannot agree that approach, then we would have to give consideration to other options which might include not giving up the lease.

“We are also keen to see Thwaites brewing in, or near, the borough.

“I do not want to hold anyone over a barrel, but we want to see a joint development which is of benefit to the regeneration of the whole of Blackburn town centre.

"I think that Thwaites were naive and unwise to announce the brewery closure and Sainsbury’s deal without first consulting the council about planning issues and the lease on the car park.”

Coun Harling said: “Why should the council relinquish the remaining 70 years of the Starkie Street lease unless we can agree with Thwaites a plan that assists the regeneration of the town centre in which we have already invested millions of pounds in schemes like The Mall?

“I think Thwaites were unwise not to consult us before they announced this scheme on both planning issues and the lease.”

Mr Straw said: “I would like to see Thwaites stay brewing in Blackburn, preferably in the town centre.

“I do not think name-calling will help anyone.”

Mr Bailey said: ”We are currently working closely together in partnership with Sainsbury’s and Blackburn with Darwen Council to develop a solution for the future development of the Thwaites site and the old market site that delivers the very best outcome for the people of Blackburn, the town centre, Sainsbury’s and Thwaites, a leading local employer and considerable contributor to the local economy.”

Sainsbury’s regional development executive Jo Hawley said: “Sainsbury’s is very keen to bring a new foodstore to Blackburn town centre and our agreement with Thwaites is designed to do just that.

“We have had some initial discussions with the council and we are in the process of setting up a further meeting.”

Comments(16)

makaveli96 says...
1:28pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Is Sainsburys a local company?

Is Tescos a local company?

Are Twaites and the council selling the town out? Just like the traitors of the made up country the US of A did many years ago?

Discuss being LOYAL to your TOWN, CLUB and PEOPLE!

Twicki1 says...
3:10pm Thu 5 Jul 12

what is the use of a car park when you ahve made it a bus only route you simpletons!!!!!!!!!!
!!! It's amazing the council can do what they want when they want but when someone else wants to and thye don't like it as it doesn't fit with there needs they block it.

alf-abett says...
4:01pm Thu 5 Jul 12

The main issue with Blackburn Council is the fact that voters within the town cannot or will not see any further than end of their arms, if they voted for an alternative party we might see some forward / achievable and beneficial plans that would be good for the majority of the citizens and the TOWN.
For as long as I can
remember (70) the Labour Party as been installed at every election. They have blinkered and very short sighted views on what is best for the town and for possible 60 years or more they have lurched from pillar to post and at the same time plunging proud Blackburn into a cesspit we have today. The future is in your hands. Vote them out.! aia have friends in various parts of the country and most of them refer to Blackburn as the "sh1thole of the north"

RUinsane says...
5:21pm Thu 5 Jul 12

So the council will relinquish the 70 year lease if the brewery contribute to the development of the market hall site. Someone call the cops this is blackmail. Haven't Thwaites already invested millions in Blackburn with a 200 year partnership. Maybe they will be looking further afield for their proposed new sight, taking highly skilled and well paid jobs with them, to be replaced with £5 an hour shelf stackers and car park attendants. Oust these greedy legitimate criminals.

Rumpole says...
5:25pm Thu 5 Jul 12

If i was Thwaites i'd just sell up and move well away from the borough so they don't have to deal with retards at the council. Blackburn has been ruined in the last 20 years and will only get worse!

Rumpole says...
5:33pm Thu 5 Jul 12

RUinsane wrote:
So the council will relinquish the 70 year lease if the brewery contribute to the development of the market hall site. Someone call the cops this is blackmail. Haven't Thwaites already invested millions in Blackburn with a 200 year partnership. Maybe they will be looking further afield for their proposed new sight, taking highly skilled and well paid jobs with them, to be replaced with £5 an hour shelf stackers and car park attendants. Oust these greedy legitimate criminals.
Blackmail is nothing to a council that passes off "documents of an administrative process" as "documents of a legal process", obtains money by deception, abuses legal processes........the
re could be more, i'll let you know when i've finished digging! LOL

2 for 5p says...
7:09pm Thu 5 Jul 12

This council is rotten and pathetic they run the risk of losing both these companys.

stefjam says...
7:44pm Thu 5 Jul 12

the council are tosers & Thwaites ave been ripping off landlords for decades, they can all go to hell......

thoroughbred says...
7:48pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Thwaites are by far, not a fantastic company to work for, but under the circumstances, I for one, hope they sell out to the highest bidder, stuff the greedy, demanding BwDBC and p*ss off as far away from this cesspit of a town as they can get, without compromising their outlets, what a despicable way to treat 200 years of loyalty. Just the same with the old, loyal market traders, look where that's got them.....empty stalls, trial stalls, no customers, dirty sh*thole!

2 for 5p says...
7:53pm Thu 5 Jul 12

stefjam wrote:
the council are tosers & Thwaites ave been ripping off landlords for decades, they can all go to hell......
landlords deserve to be ripped off, its only what they've been doing to everyone else.

mavrick says...
8:36pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Sainsbury's will get their way if they want it. Thwaites are a business and will do what is best for the shareholders pockets.
Loyalty counts for nothing, as for the great regeneration of Blackburn centre, where are the people getting all the extra money from to shop in this expensive supermarket.
I think it is a done deal.

Judge Nic Sanders says...
8:47pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Council views in LET July 2011 :-

Council leader Kate Hollern said: “This will give the council and Thwaites an opportunity not only to explore relocation opportunities to a different part of the borough but also provide us with major redevelopment opportunities for that part of the town."

Blackburn with Darwen Council chief executive Graham Burgess said: “This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the town centre.

“This can be the start of a new era for the town because it gives us real opportunities.

“I cannot predetermine any planning decisions but this development would give us the opportunity to look at the road layout in that area and improve the landscape of that part of the town centre.

“Sainsbury’s will need to show that there is a demand for a new supermarket and show how the project would benefit the town.”

Coun Mike Lee, leader of the opposition, said: “The development of a supermarket in the town centre could help revitalise the area and we would get the best of both worlds – Thwaites would stay in Blackburn and the area would be redeveloped.”

Jo Try, regional development surveyor at Sainsbury's, said: “The proposals are at very early stages and before we submit a planning application, we'd be keen to hear the views of the local community and will be holding a full public consultation into any proposals.”

Scooby says...
1:11am Fri 6 Jul 12

I'm not sure why everyone's slating the council so much over this.. It's been talked about for at least 7 years that the council would try and bring a new supermarket into the town centre and it's become the plan that the now empty market building will make way for it.

If Sainsbury's suddenly opens up next door, alongside the existing Morrisons, why would any other supermarket want to set up shop? There just wouldn't be the business. So that leaves an empty crumbling, boarded up building .

And if Thwaites do leave Blackburn, how many redundancies does that make? What's the knock on effect in the town with all those people out of jobs?

To be honest, it seems like the planning team at the council have finally grown a back bone and are standing up for the town and although they might be playing it the hard way, it seems a compromise with Thwaites is better then the town centre and workers being dumped on.

Your ferret stinks says...
1:29pm Fri 6 Jul 12

Surely BwDBC should be paying Thwaites to relocate and stay in the borough instead of playing games with everyone elses future.
Whilst Thwaites remains where it is in blackburns town centre the town can never realise it's super new buildings look and dream.
Thought you would be happy to see the back of the brewery in the centre of town so why impeed yourselves and progress.
Maybe it's just a case of whipcash on a grand scale.

MiArse says...
6:37pm Fri 6 Jul 12

It's an ill conceived idea that the current BWDBC have a issue with the ongoing saga between the Market site and the Thwaites Brewery site. If as the council say they have been in negotiation with some major players over several years then why has it taken until now to bring it to our attention?
Both of these sites are of paramount importance to the image our town paints within the borough.
The council have an obligation to the local community to do whats best for the long term interest of the town, and not just to please a particular company on the basis that THEY (Thwaites) have decided they want out.
It is the council who decide the structure our town takes; not individual company's. but on past evidence their track record isn't positive. yes the Mall development was a success in my opinion, but the siting and design of our new market was a disaster.
Both these parties have their own faults. Thwaites blatantly issued covenants on pubs to avoid those very same outlets posing a trading threat to their company. thus denying our town with descent public houses which we once had. and left us with shabby, yob ridden outlets which many decent folk would avoid entering.

Thwaites see an opportunity to make millions from the sale of their land to a major supermarket chain to fund the building of a new one possibly outside the borough, They will take the money, and reinvest it into their company to continue to make themselves money.
The council on the other hand want to develop a site which is the property of the town, which would provide more job opportunities, and replace the current 1960's eyesore which month on month whilst standing vacant is damaging the town.
Yes we need regeneration of our town centre and many local people would welcome the idea, but do we really need another supermarket?

Open the public consultations and let the local people have their voice.

Rumpole says...
1:05am Sat 7 Jul 12

Why don't the council sell the remaining 70 yrs on the lease to Thwaites, let them sell the plot for a supermarket, then as part of the planning permission for the supermarket insist on multi level parking to provide a couple of free parking levels for town centre shoppers, keeping other levels for supermarket customers only.

Then the council could take the money, demolish the old market halls, build a meat and fish hall at the jobcentre/ gala bingo side, then have a good old fashioned and traditional outdoor market with rows of stalls etc.

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